IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2025-01-08
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04:42:14 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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07:23:22 <truebrain> OpenTTD just got forked by a bunch of bots ... curious what that will lead to 😛
07:25:27 <truebrain> A lot of these guys. Suspicious ...
07:26:06 <andythenorth> it's too obvious as a way to make a poisoned client?
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09:05:17 <LordAro> "Another way to avoid this would be to leave a ring of sea tiles all around the map, and prevent these from being terraformed."
09:05:30 <LordAro> All this happened before, and it will happen again
09:06:10 <pickpacket> nooooo... every tile must be terraformable!
09:14:31 <peter1139> "CleanuP: Remove freeform edges"
09:17:47 <LordAro> "Task Manager (Not Responding)"
09:17:50 <LordAro> well that's not good.
09:23:50 <LordAro> reboot fixed it, other than somehow my taskbar ended up on the left side of my screen
09:23:56 <LordAro> which is definitely odd.
09:24:12 <pickpacket> LordAro: queue mandatory comment about linux being better than windows
10:16:03 <peter1139> 50% of time played has water on the edges?
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10:16:37 <peter1139> freeform_edges = true is 98.8%
10:17:37 <peter1139> water_borders = 15 (all water) is 50.6%
10:18:56 <peter1139> So there's a "50/50 split" between black null tiles and water null tiles.
10:19:36 <LordAro> how about infinite water on sides that are water, infinite black everywhere else? :p
10:19:46 <LordAro> it could update if you terraform the edge ;)
10:20:56 <peter1139> Water null tiles where the edge tile is water, and black null tiles where the edge tile is anything else?
10:21:24 <LordAro> and good luck working out what to do at the corners
10:22:05 <peter1139> There's only 1 tile on a corner.
10:22:42 <peter1139> Presumably JGRPP has already perfected whatever all this is. I don't know if this patch backports this or reimplements it.
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10:34:22 <bohaska> is peter1138 and peter1139 the same person
10:34:54 <LordAro> no one's ever figured it out
10:35:49 <ahyangyi> Let's ask peter1140 about that.
10:36:33 <kuhnovic> Github avoids this issue by calling him PeterN, where N stands for number
10:41:16 <ahyangyi> LordAro: That suddenly makes me wonder if anybody wanted wraparound terrain heights and wraparound travel (which are two separate functionalities)
10:41:43 <ahyangyi> (wraparound travel would, obviously, break everything though)
10:42:34 <peter1138> I mean, I've thought about it and think it could be neat.
10:48:49 <kuhnovic> Zooming out on small maps would be fun. The map would have to be drawn several times.
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11:32:08 <peter1138> Seems like a minor problem.
11:57:47 <kuhnovic> Just one of many I guess
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13:54:01 <peter1138> More keys going wrong on this keyboard :(
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15:58:38 <andythenorth> maybe we should replace the player interface to PBS
15:58:42 <andythenorth> and call it 'stopping places'
15:58:54 <andythenorth> and mark 'stopping tiles' and 'no-stopping tiles'
16:01:35 <johnfranklin> peter113'8' in IRC?
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16:28:56 <peter1138> In its rightful place.
16:50:44 <_zephyris> Water water everywhere, not a drop to drink.
17:00:52 <xarick> tron and truelight, do they still exist?
17:01:34 <LordAro> what would it change if they did?
17:03:11 <xarick> the blame falls on them two
17:03:18 <xarick> for this little thing I found
17:03:53 <LordAro> blaming individuals is not a helpful attitude
17:05:10 <xarick> tron forgot to update those two to TileDiffXY
17:06:05 <LordAro> regardless, pointing fingers isn't helpful
17:06:11 <LordAro> either fix it, or leave them alone
17:08:02 <xarick> they should give the tool another name
17:08:43 <LordAro> mm, svn has blame, praise & annotate
17:16:03 <xarick> there has been multiple fix attempts
17:19:31 <xarick> `tile_cur -= TileDiffXY(0, 1);` or `tile_cur += TileDiffXY(0, -1);` ?
17:19:37 <xarick> which style should I go?
17:19:55 <LordAro> i feel like the former is clearer
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17:29:24 <peter1138> Hmm, this is disappointing. Not getting much of a signal with my SDR. I moved it and the antenna into the loft connected via a RaspberryPi, and it's a bit better but loads of noise. And it's kinda slow.
17:29:55 <peter1138> My external antenna is not going much useful either, might have to check the cable, but it's cold and damp and excuses.
17:47:46 <peter1138> Oh, I better double check those recent changes...
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17:53:50 <xarick> should I fix the ugly code reported yesterday?
18:01:10 <LordAro> peter1138: would a different constant be more appropriate?
18:05:12 <peter1138> It's a bit of a silly spec.
18:06:38 <peter1138> My description is wrong, it is not a D800 string ID.
18:06:59 <peter1138> It's a return value of 0x800-0xBFF, which is translated to 0x0-0x3FF.
18:09:06 <peter1138> This function is shit too.
18:10:46 <xarick> is changing the code style a Codefix, Cleanup or Codechange
18:11:16 <xarick> gonna read codingstyle again
18:12:37 <peter1138> Maybe (callback & 0x3ff) would make it clearer.
18:18:39 <xarick> i could do less identation i guess
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18:48:04 <LordAro> peter1138: guess you need to open a PR now :p
18:51:39 <peter1138> Oh, it's MTB night. Oh, I didn't plan on doing it anyway.
18:52:00 <michi_cc> LordAro: guess you need to approve a PR now :p
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18:56:31 <LordAro> can't, build's broken :p
19:10:57 <truebrain> always nice, if the regression set is ratting you out 😛
19:13:05 <truebrain> that original if statement ... 3 assignments inside the if-statement .. who approved that?! 😛
19:13:24 <LordAro> truebrain: some guy called truelight apparently
19:14:03 <truebrain> LordAro: See, I am more useful, pointing out where peter1138 went wrong 😛
19:15:36 <truebrain> Would you have seen that during a review? 😛 😛
19:16:24 <truebrain> I think peter just hates trees
19:16:31 <truebrain> he wanted smaller savegames!
19:16:36 <truebrain> I see what he did there!
19:30:51 <peter1138> Build is broken as well? Hmm.s
19:31:10 <peter1138> Much smaller saves.
19:32:29 <truebrain> I see we switched back to cleanup 😛
19:32:35 <truebrain> I would think this is just a codechange, but okay 😄
19:33:49 <truebrain> how ever it might be, it is a nice code improvement 😄
19:34:09 <truebrain> it still makes me laugh how random our tree placement is .. "just try it somewhere, and see what happens!" 😛
19:36:05 <peter1138> I dunno, someone said Cleanup earlier.
19:36:14 <peter1138> I guess this one is a bit different.
19:36:20 <LordAro> that was in context of "code style fixes"
19:36:34 <truebrain> Also, that PR was originally marked "Codefix", which it wasn't 😛
19:36:58 <truebrain> but what is in the name 🙂 It just made me giggle 😛
19:37:06 <peter1138> Dunno, I normally don't pay attention to things.
19:37:23 <truebrain> so just go back to your Codechanges, it is fine 😛
19:37:40 <truebrain> It isn't a Feature! It's a CODE CHANGE! 😄
19:42:15 <peter1138> That'll do the tests again but whatever.
19:42:23 <peter1138> I don't trust myself to mess up the squash :p
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20:36:01 <truebrain> a solution without any mouse capture? Does that work well? 😄
21:21:50 <xarick> hmm, discord doesnt run
21:21:57 <xarick> i'm on the browser version now
21:56:24 <peter1138> So should I remove no_mouse_capture?
21:57:39 <_glx_> xarick: no and it's annoying because some people request access and we can't see who because it's not enabled
22:02:09 <truebrain> peter1138: if it still looks & plays good enough, that might be a good solution
22:02:37 <truebrain> at least, how I read your change, it enabled no-mouse-capture always 😛
22:03:02 <truebrain> but less special code == better 😄
22:03:19 <peter1138> Yeah, I'm not sure if that has any other implications.
22:03:33 <truebrain> if you played around with it a bit and it feels fine
22:03:37 <truebrain> it might be worth trying
22:03:37 <peter1138> But I was having to add more code to work around what is effectively a work around already.
22:03:43 <truebrain> we have been going around solutions for this anyway 😄
22:04:21 <peter1138> "Seems to work for me".
22:04:29 <peter1138> It can always be undone if not, right?
22:05:12 <truebrain> And to be honest, the % of Linux users is really small 🙂
22:05:25 <truebrain> I wonder about the `#ifdef SDL_HINT_MOUSE_AUTO_CAPTURE`, whether that is still needed/wanted
22:05:35 <truebrain> as we now kinda depend on that it exists 😛
22:05:56 <truebrain> before that hint, SDL did mouse capture on button press, not?
22:05:59 <peter1138> If it doesn't exist, then auto-capture will stay enabled.
22:06:02 <truebrain> and you now kinda don't want that behaviour 😛
22:07:23 <peter1138> If it's not present then the mouse will stay captured on button press, but that doesn't affect the relative motion.
22:07:40 <truebrain> what I mean more: we now disable mouse capture for everyone
22:07:48 <truebrain> except if you compile with an SDL older than SDL_HINT_MOUSE_AUTO_CAPTURE
22:07:59 <truebrain> so I wonder if it wouldn't be easier for us, for diagnosing issues
22:08:02 <truebrain> to just make it mandatory
22:08:44 <peter1138> Perhaps I should leave the comment about why we disable it. Yeah.
22:09:10 <truebrain> the hint got added 3 years ago
22:09:56 <truebrain> in 2.0.22 .. that took a while to find 😛
22:11:57 <truebrain> 2.30.11 is used for Linux Generic Builds
22:12:08 <truebrain> not unimportant to check 😛
22:12:10 <peter1138> 2.26 on my Debian Stable.
22:12:39 <truebrain> okay, so we can just leave the `#ifdef` in, and if people use an SDL that old ... if you shoot yourself in the foot
22:12:56 <peter1138> It only really affects you if you are debugging.
22:13:33 <truebrain> okay, this makes the solution a lot cleaner at least 😄
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22:13:58 <truebrain> will give the PR a test soon; but code-wise it looks fine to me 🙂
22:26:12 <truebrain> Did I ever tell you how much I hate Wayland? 😛
22:26:52 <peter1138> Pointer jumps back... that sounds like warping is actually doing something on Wayland now... Hmm.
22:32:33 <peter1138> Hmm, clamping at the border with non-locked moving seems odd.
22:34:56 <peter1138> Because non-locked tracks the pointer, which is then outside the window.
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22:37:39 <peter1138> Oh because we are not capturing the cursor automatically, only when we decide to use locked scrolling.
22:38:07 <peter1138> So maybe we do want to keep no_mouse_capture around after all.
22:46:13 <peter1138> Why is a tree flashing in this world...
22:46:52 <peter1138> Ah, it's an AI trying to game the town rating.
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