IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2024-08-23
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00:19:05 <shield_wall> _pruple: That's kinda hot
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04:43:23 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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08:25:45 <truebrain> lolz; our OCI bill is 0.055 dollarcent per day. Our AWS bill went down with 35%. You got to love how expensive bandwidth is on AWS 🙂
08:26:35 <truebrain> not dollarcent, just dollar, lolz
08:45:11 <peter1138> What would it cost on andy's MBP?
08:48:46 <truebrain> he buys, what, ever year a new MBP? So that is 3000 euro divided by 12, every month
08:58:32 <andythenorth> wait this one is 2021 😐
08:59:47 <andythenorth> £2500 purchase price, but £900 resale value
09:00:04 <andythenorth> so £533 per year
09:00:17 <andythenorth> my AWS bill is now £15 / month
09:21:50 <peter1138> You could save £533 a year by doing everything on AWS.
09:25:19 <merni> peter1138: Need a terminal though
09:32:24 <audigex> merni: Just send them commands by mail
09:32:46 <merni> Do you mean mail as in post 😆
09:33:07 <merni> What a cool quaint idea
09:33:39 <merni> Imagine waiting for days for a reply, opening the envelope, and finding a syntax error because of a missed semicolon or something
09:36:14 <audigex> But every command would be an occasion and you’d get that jolt of excitement every 3 days when another letter arrives from your server penpal, like chess by mail instead of chess.com
09:36:25 <peter1138> Well there used to email "play by mail" computer games that involved sending a floppy disk in the post
09:36:54 <peter1138> (And of course non-computer games)
09:57:11 <andythenorth> merni: well you've basically described configuring services on AWS anyway
09:57:16 <andythenorth> what's the difference? 😛
09:58:38 <andythenorth> "I have a script that configures my AWS gateway to use a lambda that is created by another script that is running in a lambda that takes is configuration from a centrally managed S3 bucket, which is populated by a DynamoDB instance, for which there's production and staging instances, both manually managed, otherwise it's turtles all the way down"
09:58:46 <andythenorth> "but you missed an IAM permission somewhere"
09:59:33 <andythenorth> "now you need to configure Cloudwatch log streams *everywhere* to find the problem, but Cloudwatch needs configuration and permissions too"
10:00:40 <reldred> reminds me of IBM softlayer
10:00:52 <reldred> supposed to be big fancy automated system
10:01:05 <reldred> it was just a whole tonne of engineers running around in thebackground doing shit by hand
10:08:48 <andythenorth> making myself a functioning serverless API gateway in single-digit hours was fun
10:09:07 <andythenorth> managing it at scale is a different proposition 😛
10:15:02 <audigex> reldred: Yeah this is cloud computing in general
10:15:02 <audigex> In theory it’s great - you ditch your 10x £3000 servers and 3x £50k/yr admin guys and instead pay £100/mo for Amazon to do it for you
10:15:02 <audigex> But in practice you just end up paying 5x admin guys and losing more than you save
10:56:22 <reldred> preaching to the choir
11:00:52 <orudge> [10:36:24] <peter1138> Well there used to email "play by mail" computer games that involved sending a floppy disk in the post <-- "PBIMTTD" was a #tycoon and TT-F thing for some years...
11:01:12 <reldred> Oh god I remember that
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11:16:31 <andythenorth> audigex: counter factual, once you're into cattle not pets, the commodity cloud services are better than trying to run your own in-house cloud
11:16:51 <andythenorth> until you reach the scale when you can afford to run your own cloud
11:17:10 <andythenorth> 10 servers is still at the 'named pets' size
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11:21:29 <yiffgirl> i prefer to name my computers after celestial objects
11:21:44 <andythenorth> ideally computers are just a UUID
11:21:59 <andythenorth> and a set of workload identifiers
11:22:14 <yiffgirl> now that's cattle scale
11:23:00 <andythenorth> I think that pets scale up to about 25 or 30
11:23:18 <andythenorth> and if you've got less than 20 cattle, that's not a herd, and you're toy farming
11:23:47 <reldred> some people talk like they know and some people do it. usually a good idea not to assume you're the smartest person in the room. that said, I don't care and I still enjoy my toy farm 😛
11:24:31 <reldred> well, I like doing the networking for it. the other stuff is scary and get other people to do that
11:25:02 <andythenorth> I once interviewed a guy who'd been dynamically scaling 5000 or so compute instances for a relatively small adtech business
11:25:10 <andythenorth> 'which was nice'
11:26:34 <andythenorth> seemed liked an extra 0 had been added, for no real reason other than nobody told him 'no'
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13:03:29 <andythenorth> GPT 'timesaving'
13:03:55 <andythenorth> has crashed, preparing the 'now assemble the final doc' after an hour of editing / drafting chat with it
13:04:05 <andythenorth> Microsoft Word 3.0 level of service
13:08:14 <andythenorth> Ironically, it seems to be crashing often when I ask for a docx
13:14:53 <andythenorth> meh now I'm rate limited
13:15:03 <andythenorth> when is this taking everyone's job away?
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17:41:00 <peter1138> Shame deque doesn't let you control the blocksize
18:10:28 <yiffgirl> did i hear copying regions was coming to vanilla or was that something else?
18:10:28 <yiffgirl> mm. needs more work, huh.
18:13:07 <yiffgirl> i should probably make that tree improvement i said i was going to before trying to adopt more prs.
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19:04:45 <peter1138> Not seeing anything with `-fsanitize=address`
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19:05:37 <_jgr_> I'm using: -fno-omit-frame-pointer -fsanitize=address -fsanitize=undefined -fsanitize-address-use-after-scope -g -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG -D_GLIBCXX_DEBUG_PEDANTIC -fstack-protector
19:06:10 <_jgr_> -fsanitize=undefined should be enough to catch it
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19:13:22 <peter1138> Okay, that gets is.
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19:40:13 <peter1138> scriptrun is basically exactly the same as the one built in to ICU. Hmm.
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20:14:09 <peter1138> Something like that, I'd already written it before JGR's commit appeared
20:15:03 <truebrain> competing solutions!
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