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04:42:02 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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06:43:31 <Rubidium> peter1138: can you install grfcodec on your Pi and let OpenTTD recompile its GRFs. Are those GRFs still the same there? (on PowerPC they differ, on x86_64 they're the same)
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07:47:17 <Rubidium> ofcourse the vcpkg problem also hits the grfcodec repository :(
08:10:03 <_glx_> Of course the switch to macos14 breaks more than vcpkg
08:13:41 <Rubidium> what will I have broken this time...
08:42:34 <tateisukannanirase> Can anyone teach me how to tell if a ROAD_TILE_NORMAL tile is a cross road/t-junction piece of road? I am looking at the GetAllRoadBits function which has directions of the road but I'm struggling to convert that into something that says more than 2 exits. 🙏
08:43:05 <andythenorth> don't understand github dependabot 😛
08:43:12 <andythenorth> I'm probably holding it wrong
08:43:29 <andythenorth> how do I make it stop nagging me on push?
08:44:25 <andythenorth> hmm it has stopped nagging me on push
08:44:40 <andythenorth> ok how do I make it resolve the vulns in github UI?
08:44:49 <andythenorth> I guess I could google 😛
08:52:27 <Rubidium> tateisukannanirase: I reckon the context is not for an AI/GS, right? The CountBits(road_bits) >= 3 will give you all the 3-way and 4-way crossings
08:57:01 <Rubidium> basically because road tiles are just half lengths towards the middle of the tile from each of the four (diagonal) directions. Road bits is essentially a collection of 4 booleans (bits) denoting whether one of such half lengths exists (or not), and to find crossings you need to find those with at least 3.
08:58:26 <tateisukannanirase> @Rubidium the context is for RV YAPF. That seems quite logical now that you explain it - thank you!
09:02:36 <tateisukannanirase> hmm `yarn make` does not build openttd 🤔
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10:49:49 <peter1138> Hmm, I installed something yesterday and it seems to have changed the font a lot of things use.
11:27:43 <andythenorth> how do I make these go away?
11:27:53 <andythenorth> I've upgraded jquery
11:28:04 <andythenorth> there is no way to mark dependabot as 'fixed'
11:28:10 <andythenorth> they're all variations of "won't fix"
11:31:03 <peter1138> Write native javascript instead.
11:32:18 <andythenorth> old Bootstrap depends on it 😛
11:32:31 <andythenorth> I could write my own js for what Bootstrap is doing
11:45:43 <peter1138> Well, do you need BS?
11:48:43 <andythenorth> yes, but the Bootstrap javascript is probably just doing the burger menu on mobile viewports
11:48:59 <andythenorth> but I'm not writing my own replacement for that 😛
11:50:22 <andythenorth> can't see it doing anything else, I usually disable most of the Bootstrap js
11:50:58 <Rubidium> isn't it the case that newer BS doesn't require jquery?
11:51:18 <andythenorth> sounds familiar, FIRS docs are stuck on older Bootstrap
11:51:25 <andythenorth> 'stuck' = I can't be bothered to upgrade
11:51:26 <andythenorth> hmm does dependabot want me to go and rewrite history?
11:51:45 <andythenorth> it's really quite angry about vulnerable jquery being in the repo at all
11:52:30 <andythenorth> not sure how to remove files from every git revision
11:52:47 <andythenorth> some kind of manual reflog editing?
11:53:14 <Rubidium> you can't unless rewriting the complete history, but isn't it looking only at main branch?
11:56:10 <andythenorth> I must be doing it wrong
11:56:49 <andythenorth> can't be expected that every instance of vulnerable code has to be purged from the repo when dependabot finds it
11:58:12 <peter1138> Have you accidentally told it to check all release tags as well?
11:58:30 <andythenorth> I think it wanted a PR to resolve each issue
11:58:35 <andythenorth> I just commited directly to main
11:59:19 <peter1138> My Minecraft server can no longer authenticate players. What have I done to break that?
12:08:01 <andythenorth> is this dock Flat?
12:14:34 <johnfranklin> This makes me think of a rollercoaster
12:24:33 <johnfranklin> I found only me type the url directly when accessing a website. Others type website name in search bar.
12:48:05 <Rubidium> andythenorth: definitely not flat. I'd almost argue that the slope of the coastline is quite close to that in TTD ;D
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13:45:31 <peter1138> Why is WaterRegionData separate?
13:45:57 <peter1138> Hmm, oh I see. That's... one way of doing it.
13:46:48 <peter1138> Also, on 32-bit systems, that title is wrong 🙂
13:47:42 <peter1138> Better to include the specific sizes as detail in the commit message, where you can also include "On 64-bit systems..."
14:02:44 <kuhnovic> If it wasn't separate we'd still have to store the tile_area, or something else that stores the location of the region. But that information is redundant, it's already encoded in the water region index within the static vector that stores them.
14:03:29 <kuhnovic> Good point about the 32 bit systems. I got too accustomed to things being 64 bit nowadays
14:04:17 <peter1138> Is the tile area needed in most places or just used for convenience because it's there?
14:21:15 <kuhnovic> Strictly speaking it's not needed, but I'd have to implement my own contains function and tile iterators. I'd mostly be duplicating stuff.
14:23:09 <kuhnovic> The tile area does store the x and why size which technically is redundant information. But it's only used on the stack, it doesn't end up in long term storage, so it doesn't really matter.
14:29:15 <peter1138> Well, when tile iteration is needed, it makes sense to create the tile area.
14:30:21 <kuhnovic> Can't argue with that 😛
14:32:01 <peter1138> But does that need to be stored?
14:32:44 <peter1138> Shame about that bool, and the byte. Could be 16 bytes without that... :p
14:37:57 <peter1138> Oh, I didn't actually check but I guess the language backports knows about strings being changed in master but not the release branch.
14:46:56 <kuhnovic> peter1138: Those do need to be stored. The tile area does not, and isn't (after the changes in my PR)
14:48:11 <peter1138> Hmm, I want to allow more waypoint classes. The build picker patches allow that easily.
14:48:20 <peter1138> But it requires support from NewGRFs.
14:48:53 <peter1138> If those NewGRFs add support, then the additional waypoints won't work in 14.x, they'll appear as regular stations.
14:49:43 <peter1138> So does it make sense to create a PR that makes custom waypoints defined in new waypoint classes map to the standard WAYP class?
14:50:11 <peter1138> And then backport that PR, before implementing the feature in master.
14:51:09 <_glx_> peter1138: yeah the script is supposed to handle that
14:51:29 <peter1138> Nice. Good job because I didn't think about it when I did it 🙂
14:54:00 <_glx_> ``` # First check what changed in english.txt. Every change is blacklisted and
14:54:00 <_glx_> # translations in these lines will not be backported```
15:05:24 <peter1138> There's a PR. Just in case.
15:32:23 <talltyler> Hmm, waiting on #12618 perhaps
15:33:32 <peter1138> Does it seem reasonable?
15:33:55 <peter1138> It's like ... "we haven't developed this feature yet, but maybe we will..."
15:34:40 <talltyler> I don’t entirely understand what it’s preventing:)
15:35:16 <talltyler> Which to be clear relates to my reading comprehension, not the usefulness of your PR 😄
15:35:38 <peter1138> Station/RoadStop classes are distinguished only by them using the class label 'WAYP'. Authors would like more classes, and having loaded a lot of station sets, I agree.
15:35:50 <merni> - now: single waypoint class
15:35:50 <merni> - with 12618: can specify multiple waypoint classes in GRF but they are displayed as one in the UI
15:35:50 <merni> - in the future: Multiple waypoint classes
15:36:07 <peter1138> Most-significant-byte.
15:36:25 <merni> I read it as an Indian station code (Chennai Beach) at first 😆
15:36:37 <peter1138> So my plan is that any class which is "FF xx xx xx" will also be a waypoint class.
15:37:03 <peter1138> But of course, if NewGRFs start using that now, then the existing release will not see them as waypoints, only regular stations.
15:37:24 <talltyler> So it’s a way for authors to make a waypoint class before the game can recognize waypoint classes?
15:37:42 <talltyler> Er, it knows it’s a waypoint but it doesn’t know the class
15:37:45 <peter1138> So it's a "ease-into-transition" change, not strictly required but makes things easier to transition.
15:38:27 <merni> are you sure no station sets already use FF xx xx xx for a station? :P
15:38:42 <peter1138> No. But I have tested all the stations I have downloaded, and they all use ASCII.
15:39:20 <peter1138> But I went with FF instead of something like > 80 because less chance of that problem.
15:39:32 <peter1138> And still scope for 16 million waypoint classes, hehe.
15:39:39 <merni> I feel like a GRF using new features not working properly in old versions is expected behaviour
15:40:48 <peter1138> Sure, but this is trivial, and is convenient for authors and players.
15:41:15 <peter1138> Otherwise authors have to maintain two separate versions, or most likely just won't bother.
15:41:47 <merni> Except for some one spacebar-author who used 0xFFFFFFFF maybe 😆
15:42:14 <merni> I think it does make sense
15:42:53 <merni> Though becomes counterproductive if it's decided to do it another way in future
15:43:30 <merni> (how about having a property for whether something is a station or waypoint?)
15:43:36 <peter1138> I don't think it does though.
15:45:39 <peter1138> But authors still have to use waypoint classes that don't conflict with existing station classes, otherwise the class name may not be correct.
15:45:59 <peter1138> And we have to special-case everything in 'WAYP' to automatically have this flag.
15:46:27 <peter1138> The UI changes to support this are also non-trivial.
15:46:42 <peter1138> e.g. to support it in 14.x would require a lot of work... so indeed I wouldn't do it.
15:47:09 <peter1138> The new combined picker could do it, although it wouldn't necessary give any benefit.
15:47:35 <merni> The PR needs [NewGRF] tag too?
15:47:41 <peter1138> Plus the primary factor is that the class label is the existing way to determine if it's a waypoint or not, so why not stick with that?
15:54:39 <peter1138> Alternatively, it doesn't really matter, you could just build them as stations and use go-via orders or something.
16:02:29 <peter1138> Who needs to keep traffic separate? Just use separate stations :p
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16:32:45 <andythenorth> 1 line per train
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17:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs trains?
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18:01:53 <silent_tempest> truebrain: Players: Riot
18:03:44 <LordAro> so, require a PSN account for 14.1?
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18:06:09 <andythenorth> Public Services Network? 😮
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19:02:58 <kamnet> A lot of people have been asking where to download old versions lately. It might be a good idea if somebody added a link to the archive to the website.
19:05:43 <michi_cc> peter1138: Are you going to prepare a 14.2 if #12618 backfires somehow? If yes, you can get an approval 🙂
19:11:33 <frosch123> truebrain: i need a name. `--config_path` points to `nile-config`, `--data_path` points to `nile-data`. `--???` points to project-checkout(?)
19:12:30 <frosch123> `--work_path`? with checkout in `<work_path>/<project>`?
19:21:29 <truebrain> didn't I already name that? Hmm
19:21:39 <truebrain> and it should be `--config-path`, not `config_path` tbfh 😛
19:23:40 <frosch123> truebrain: it is `config_path` in the source, `config-path` on the console, clap does that, i actually have no control over it
19:23:52 <truebrain> so you were misrepresenting it 😛
19:24:07 <truebrain> I would do `--project-path` tbh
19:25:07 <truebrain> I just called it `--path`, but a prefix is also fine
19:25:17 <frosch123> i am unsure, because nile-config and nile-data are for all projects
19:25:33 <frosch123> so i wonder whether the project-path should be as well
19:26:03 <truebrain> I think you are overthinking it 🙂
19:28:30 <truebrain> only we will use it 😛 So .. what eve rworks for you
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19:57:50 <bootmii> In short, we're waiting on someone backporting your stupid enhancement PR
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20:02:04 <bootmii> peter decided that #12618 _needed_ to happen _now_ so he's holding up the bugfix release
20:02:46 <truebrain> can I suggest an attitude improvement?
20:02:56 <wensimehrp> I don't quite get it... If you want ottd 13.5... Just patch it yourself then.
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20:05:52 <andythenorth> did we forget some smiley emojis?
20:06:36 <andythenorth> here I have some spare, borrow mine 🙂 😀 😸 😺 🥰
20:06:38 <wensimehrp> openttd is without any warranty, right?
20:09:36 <bootmii> It's just that I don't like the timing
20:09:46 <truebrain> That doesn't excuse you from being rude
20:10:25 <bootmii> I'm sorry I was rude to you and called your feature backport request stupid.
20:12:53 <peter1138> lol, the sincerely apology 😄
20:16:49 <peter1138> No offence but I don't need an apology and I'm not offended. You have misunderstood how PRs and labels work.
20:17:30 <bootmii> I have yeah -- it really looked like #12617 was pulled _after_ the last minute
20:17:53 <audigex> bootmii: Feel free to request a full refund…
20:18:32 <audigex> It’s not like this is a commercial release, the timing of work done by volunteers is their business and it seems baffling to me to complain about it
20:21:42 <talltyler> Anyway, so is the point of #12618 to allow GRF authors to make waypoints that have classes, which show up in classes in nightlies (and eventually 15.0+), but also work in older versions of OpenTTD like 14.1?
20:21:54 <talltyler> Did I finally understand it properly, peter1138? 😛
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20:26:19 <truebrain> To avoid GRF authors to wait for a year before they can make waypoint GRFs?
20:26:22 <peter1138> It is not really critical, so shouldn't hold up 14.1. (I didn't add it to the milestone)
20:26:45 <talltyler> Is 0xFF used as the MSB automatically, or do authors have to know to do that?
20:29:12 <peter1138> Authors have to know to set that, but of course there's no documentation yet because it's not fully implemented.
20:29:30 <talltyler> Of course, that would be part of whatever PR adds waypoint classes 🙂
20:29:59 <peter1138> But there is a caveat to do with class naming -- the last name set will be the name of the class. Also not a huge issue but maybe confusing.
20:30:49 <peter1138> (That also affects non-waypoint classes, but there's less chance of conflict there because labels are already spread out)
20:30:58 <talltyler> So if we don't do it in 14.1, we'd want to release 14.2 before waypoint classes hit the nightly?
20:32:40 <peter1138> It does not need to happen. Without this then any set using the feature for master/15.x will still work in 14.x, but the extra waypoints will not be usable as waypoints. They will be usable as regular stations insfead. Not a huge problem just confusing.
20:33:09 <peter1138> So it's just trying to be nice to authors and players in advance.
20:33:29 <talltyler> Mhm, then it would be on the authors to add an error if their GRF is loaded in a too-old OpenTTD version
20:34:05 <talltyler> I like this idea, don't take my questions as skepticism or arguing against it. I just want to understand. 🙂
20:34:32 <bootmii> The best way is to make the PRs simultaneously and approve the backport first, wait until that merges and then approve the nightly PR
20:35:06 <peter1138> No it's fine. It's different, we've never done something in advance like this before that I know of. Not with NewGRF support.
20:35:24 <talltyler> Those were definitely GitHub words, but they don't make a lot of sense 😉
20:36:38 <talltyler> Probably not an issue, but that's also special-casing 0xFF for the next 20+ years of OpenTTD for future people to wonder about 😉
20:36:50 <bootmii> If I tell you I meant "nightly" as a noun would it make more sense?
20:37:07 <bootmii> Kind of like how doctors say "CONsult" even as a verb
20:37:14 <talltyler> I imagine TTDPatch developers weren't thinking about how their design decisions would be affecting us in 2024
20:37:57 <bootmii> Does BK Tunnels work fully in any version or patchset of OpenTTD?
20:38:29 <bootmii> Were they the ones who made the game 10% slower than TTD?
20:39:58 <bootmii> "Who chose 30ms, OpenTTD or TTDPatch?" stuff like that
20:40:40 <talltyler> We changed milliseconds_per_tick back to match TTD somewhat recently 😛
20:41:11 <talltyler> Forget if that made it into 13.0 or if it was just 14.0
20:41:52 <bootmii> It was part of the "months or minutes" overhaul
20:42:54 <bootmii> "Either OpenTTD can replicate custom tunnel entrances or we can lord it over them until like 2010"
20:43:02 <Rubidium> I wonder how many will immediately release a new waypoint NewGRF upon the merge of peter's patch. After all, most people are on releases. So there isn't that much of a hurry. If it was, then a 14.1 would have been made much earlier with the desync fix as that's way more impactful than this
20:44:18 <talltyler> I am of the opinion that we should release 14.1 and give #12618 a bit longer for contemplation. We can always do a 14.2.
20:45:04 <peter1138> bootmii: OpenTTD, TTDPatch was always correct.
20:46:32 <talltyler> Ugh, am I being a project manager again? 😛
20:46:46 <peter1138> talltyler: Special casing is what the spec is designed for, it loves it 🙂 This would have to become part of the spec, not a temporary thing.
20:46:57 <talltyler> I spent all day managing a project for work, I need to get out of this mode and enjoy my weekend 😄
20:47:16 <kamnet> talltyler: Seems reasonable
20:47:26 <peter1138> Anyway, there's also a path issue somewhere, apparently.
20:47:44 <talltyler> File path or train path?
20:49:16 <talltyler> Who is pushing the go buttons this time? Rubidium?
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20:51:34 <peter1138> Uh, I need to wait for the release to complete before socialising I guess.
20:51:45 <andythenorth> what is 'socialising' please?
20:52:09 <peter1138> Posting on socail media. That's it, right?
20:52:30 <talltyler> It definitely means telling all my real-life friends all about OpenTTD
20:52:32 <andythenorth> oh yeah, I forgot
20:52:47 <andythenorth> social media: nearly all the downsides of socialising with nearly none of the upsides
20:52:56 <andythenorth> biggest con of this century so far 🙂
20:53:16 <talltyler> Discord is my only social media, and I've seriously cut back since the start of the year
20:54:45 <andythenorth> I quit Facebook some years ago, I'm ex-X for all the obvious reasons, and I've remembered that LinkedIn is best avoided, and does not actually count as 'work'
20:55:40 <andythenorth> when is 'clone wagon' coming? 😛
20:55:42 <talltyler> Oh yeah, there is some major workaholicism happening on LinkedIn
20:55:57 <peter1138> ^ good set of paths
20:56:02 <peter1138> ^ bad set of paths?
20:56:24 <talltyler> andythenorth: Picker tool 😄
20:56:39 <andythenorth> making a train longer is....yak-shaving
20:56:56 <andythenorth> stupid amount of wagons
20:57:03 <talltyler> _jgr_: Your picker tool would be a very nice addition to vanilla, if you're ever up for another upstreaming project 🙂
20:57:21 <talltyler> (I don't think it works for vehicles, just tiles)
20:57:21 <peter1138> One upstream at a time 😉
20:57:38 <talltyler> Yes, road waypoints are very exciting 🙂
20:57:53 <_jgr_> talltyler: I don't see that it would make any sense for vehicles, the clone vehicle button is there already
20:58:56 <andythenorth> we need another modifier key
20:59:00 <andythenorth> for more hidden behaviours
20:59:16 <talltyler> Right-click on buttons? 😛
20:59:27 <talltyler> Do Macs have a right-click button?
20:59:40 <_jgr_> That would work if it weren't for that pesky right click hover setting
20:59:51 <andythenorth> Macs have....stuff
21:00:03 <andythenorth> there's only one button though
21:00:07 <talltyler> _jgr_: The plague can claim that next
21:01:40 <Rubidium> _glx_: what would need to be done to attempt a grfcodec release? Given it's mostly used by distros the source and Windows binaries ought to be enough I'd say
21:02:19 <peter1138> Does it need an updated copyright date? 😄
21:02:29 <frosch123> the depot view already has the most obscure RMB and Ctrl+RMB feature
21:04:24 <talltyler> Yes, I was rewriting tooltips a few months ago and was very surprised to find that one
21:04:49 <bootmii> andythenorth: they're really short aren't they, the horse-drawn railcars. And I always forget to add enough horses to pull them all at top speed
21:05:25 <peter1138> Why do I have a Windows 11 VM anyway? When did I set that up?!
21:05:48 <andythenorth> frosch123: that could be extended to 'clone'
21:05:48 <bootmii> peter1138: as long as the last copyright date was in 2024, which is likely given that we added so many GRF-related things in 14.0, then you're fine
21:06:15 <andythenorth> ctrl-RMB never fails to amuse me in depot
21:06:29 <andythenorth> wonder how it works on macs where ctrl is used to get a right click
21:06:51 <peter1138> > GRFCodec 6.0.6-52-gc363cee - Copyright (C) 2000-2005 by Josef Drexler
21:07:47 <peter1138> I wonder what he's up to these days.
21:08:00 <bootmii> 2005 is just when Drexler stopped working on it, we can add the year someone else picked it up
21:11:10 <talltyler> ...were electrified tracks not in TTD?
21:11:43 <_glx_> Rubidium: I just tested on my fork, workflow still work, but will need an update at some point because node16
21:12:21 <_glx_> we could enable dependabot for that
21:12:40 <_glx_> but it doesn't prevent releasing now
21:13:31 <peter1138> Hmm, "-c openttd.cfg" behaves differently from "-c ./openttd.cfg"
21:14:28 <_glx_> and some stuff supposed to go in -c tree (as mentioned in doc) doesn't
21:14:43 <bootmii> talltyler: Well, did you pick it up when it was on GOG and _keep it backed up_? Maybe you've downloaded it from an abandonware website.
21:14:49 <_glx_> that's the "savegames are broken" thing
21:15:11 <talltyler> Release workflow is done, who can do the Steam publishing?
21:15:24 <peter1138> Yes, that's what I'm looking into.
21:17:51 <peter1138> My VM paused because the host ran out of diskspace. Oops.
21:17:57 <bootmii> Well it's not done until you publish the news article 🙂
21:18:14 <talltyler> Probably should make it available to players before we do that 😉
21:18:47 <peter1138> Is Steam not automatic?
21:18:59 <peter1138> I guess release is not nightly.
21:19:07 <talltyler> 3. Merge the website PR. This will publish the release post.
21:19:10 <frosch123> talltyler: original TTD is mostly memory. it's hardly playable now. no elrails, no waypoints, only one signal type, low train limit (80?), no dragging for most tools including diagonal rails, no building on coasts, no ...
21:19:53 <talltyler> for Steam: under Steamworks -> SteamPipe -> Builds, set the "testing" branch live on the "default" branch. This will request 2FA validation.
21:20:05 <talltyler> Seems we need a truebrain perhaps
21:21:53 <Rubidium> _glx_: can you then approve the grfcodec changelog and then I'll try to make the release
21:23:19 <truebrain> talltyler: let me know if you know for sure; it is not like it is mentioned just a few lines below your quote 😄
21:24:02 <talltyler> I do not have a developer account on Steam, and nobody else in this chat volunteered, so I assume they don't either 🙂
21:24:50 <talltyler> TB should stay away from buses 😛
21:25:13 <xarothbrook> I throw him in front of busses all the time, he just bounces off.
21:25:33 <truebrain> talltyler: no worries, the N is more than one, and it is all documented etc
21:27:36 <truebrain> talltyler: but if it worries you, the instructions in the release document are rather clear how to increase the N 🙂
21:30:38 <michi_cc> Well, it would help if the website PR gets approved, too.
21:31:40 <Rubidium> blathijs: there's a new OpenTTD release that should fix the build issues for armel, m68k and powerpc. There is also a new release of GRFCodec because grfcodec did not compress correctly on (at least) powerpc. That uses cmake as build system now, so that change might be more involved
21:37:29 <michi_cc> Reddit and Twitter done, any taker for Discord?
21:41:19 <talltyler> michi_cc: I can do Discord
21:41:54 *** DorpsGek changes topic to "14.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
21:42:31 <michi_cc> talltyler: Example text suggestion in the website PR as usual.
21:42:54 <talltyler> Yes, shame the image doesn't let me save it...
21:43:03 <talltyler> Have to download and export it from GIMP locally
21:43:27 <michi_cc> I can just right-click and copy it, what strange browser do you use? 🙂
21:44:19 <_glx_> yeah copy from browser and paste in discord
21:45:24 <talltyler> Oh, copying works, but `Save image as...` does not 🤔
22:01:05 <truebrain> so I guess I will have to do Steam again? Not really keeping track, but the silence of talltyler seems to be an indicator 🙂
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22:01:54 <truebrain> orudge: ping; 14.1 is released 🙂 Did you looked into automating it or documenting the steps by any chance?
22:02:38 <truebrain> (referincing MSStore, ofc 😛 ). And would you mind uploading 14.1 to it? 😄
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22:29:04 <truebrain> How many posts on fediverse already? 😛
22:29:45 <peter1138> > Playing OpenTTD using the FIRS4 mod is the best way to play OpenTTD with friends. Industry is much more complex and way more fun to do.
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23:14:49 <talltyler> truebrain: Sorry, I was away for dinner and another commitment. I am happy to help with Steam things if you’d like to give me those permissions. Sometimes permissions feel like something to be granted, rather than requested. I might be confusing permissions with favors. 🙂
23:15:28 <truebrain> talltyler: I am happy you went through the motions yourself 😛
23:16:22 <truebrain> DM me an email address on which you are reachable, and I will set it up tomorrow 🙂
23:24:56 <truebrain> talltyler: Maybe a bit more context: the email will be used to setup a forward on openttd.org, so I can add you to the Steam team.
23:27:13 <truebrain> (I kinda avoid adding personal emails directly to access on service, as it makes it often very hard to see who's email it is that had access 😛 so via an openttd.org email, it is clear to all admins who it is 🙂 )
23:44:27 <peter1138> Also so #12609 is complaining about something json.hpp.
23:45:06 <peter1138> Now sure how it's related to the stack trace though.
23:45:50 <peter1138> But the `std::array<char, 64>` it refers to could be railtype related, somehow.
23:45:58 <peter1138> (As there are 64 railtypes)
23:48:21 <peter1138> Hmm, there's no array like that though.
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