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05:52:47  <andythenorth> thanks

05:53:21  <andythenorth> I've rebased to include 11222, hopefully crashes stop 🙂

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07:32:34  <kolcon> is there a sample newgrf showing how to properly make these multi part ships in newgrf? this https://jgrennison.github.io/OpenTTD-patches/newgrf-additions-nml.html is a bit too brief

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07:49:31  <andythenorth> kolcon have you got a ship grf to modify already?

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09:38:04  <kolcon> andythenorth: yes

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10:06:40  <andythenorth> does it use nml?

10:07:25  <kolcon> yes

10:07:48  <kolcon> it's a modified fish-2.0.3

10:12:17  <andythenorth> ooof FISH

10:14:39  <andythenorth> you need a switch to add articulated parts, this one is for trains, but you can modify

10:14:39  <andythenorth> // add the units to articulated consist

10:14:39  <andythenorth> switch (FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, chinook_variant_0_articulated_cb_switch, extra_callback_info1) {

10:14:39  <andythenorth> 0: return chinook;

10:14:39  <andythenorth> 1: return chinook_unit_1_variant_0;

10:14:40  <andythenorth> return CB_RESULT_NO_MORE_ARTICULATED_PARTS;

10:14:40  <andythenorth> }

10:15:04  <andythenorth> then chain it from the graphics block

10:15:37  <andythenorth> graphics {

10:15:37  <andythenorth> default:                        chinook_switch_graphics;

10:15:37  <andythenorth> purchase:                       chinook_switch_graphics_purchase;

10:15:37  <andythenorth> articulated_part: chinook_variant_2_articulated_cb_switch;

10:15:37  <andythenorth> }

10:15:43  <andythenorth> ^ example, basic

10:16:20  <andythenorth> I can't remember how FISH works, but eh

10:18:34  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141#issuecomment-1686052322

10:21:26  * andythenorth waves gratefully at the people who added deterministic random for GS

10:21:34  <andythenorth> makes testing GS so much easier

10:31:47  <kolcon> andythenorth: thanks, the page above mentions it works differently for the ships (probably), "Additional ship parts are not used for graphics, they are only used for additional cargo capacity, the default graphics chain is unused.". also, there is a new callback "refit_part_name".

10:38:58  <andythenorth> all the callbacks are caleld from the graphics block

10:39:08  <andythenorth> which can be misleading

10:40:14  <andythenorth> you can ignore the refit_part_name callback initially

10:41:05  <andythenorth> Are you modifying FISH nml directly?  Or do you have whatever templates I used for FISH?

10:42:37  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #11217: Fix #11215: Assert in NewGRF parameters window (manual parameter mode) https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11217

10:42:40  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 closed issue #11215: [Crash]: When clicking a parameter line in the NewGRF parameter window in manual parameters mode https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/issues/11215

10:43:59  <kolcon> I have both. I guess the most relevant part is this? https://pastebin.com/wXLVLhZw

10:52:30  <andythenorth> no, that's irrelevant initially 🙂

10:52:59  <andythenorth> you might want it later, but I'm not sure how subtypes work with articulated vehicles (in vanilla OpenTTD, they don't really)

11:37:20  <andythenorth> anyone want to review this? 🙂 Does everything I expected it to https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141

11:37:32  <andythenorth> be nice if it was merged

11:52:06  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141#pullrequestreview-1586820042

12:58:52  <kolcon> I would like to get into AI development, any good tutorials you can recommend?

12:59:17  <kolcon> I realized I am playing the game always the same way so why not scripting it :D

13:36:57  <andythenorth> Think most people start with Zuu’s boilerplate AI / GS

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15:26:48  <andythenorth> MinimalGS https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=62163

15:26:52  <andythenorth> or there's an AI version

15:43:07  <andythenorth> hmm

15:43:11  <andythenorth> could we have track objects?

15:43:25  <andythenorth> buildings that can be built over roads / rails etc

15:43:47  <andythenorth> currently grf authors use dubious overlay tricks for this

15:49:38  <brickblock19280> waypoints can mostly be used for this

15:49:49  <brickblock19280> but I wouldn't oposi

15:50:27  <brickblock19280> *opposed

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15:56:53  <andythenorth> I would envisage it just as a set of flags for which route types can be built over

15:57:02  <andythenorth> and an optional callback to check the trackbits on the tile

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16:55:04  <Eddi|zuHause> not enough map bits

16:56:39  <andythenorth> we could get some more

16:56:43  <andythenorth> it's not the first time 😛

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17:10:17  <_jgr_> There's no shortage of map bits

17:11:06  <_jgr_> Objects, waypoints, etc can store stuff elsewhere anyway

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17:13:29  <andythenorth> tile decor

17:14:24  <andythenorth> rail stations *can* be abused for rail decor, but they create complications

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17:16:11  <brickblock19280> would be nice if they could be built on signals

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17:28:06  <andythenorth> hmm seems like GS<->grf is nearly finished

17:29:34  <andythenorth> everything I wanted to do is now possible or has a PR

17:31:06  <andythenorth> oh except the grf doesn't have any way to know if the GS is going to be in the game

17:31:12  <andythenorth> or check the version of it etc

17:31:31  <andythenorth> I'm surprised we don't know anything about the configured GS at newgame time, but eh

17:44:24  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #11221: Codechange: Break up date_type.h into timer classes https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11221

18:29:56  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141#issuecomment-1686824520

18:41:25  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #11141: Add: [Script] Game script control of industry production level. https://github.com/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/pull/11141#issuecomment-1686844712

18:43:23  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] rubidium42 requested changes for pull request #23: data: Fix Action5 table https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/pull/23#pullrequestreview-1587656278

19:07:26  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] rubidium42 commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

19:08:07  <cryoshakespeare> Using the base graphics only, if I wanted to force forests in arctic climates to use temperate graphics, ie. no snow, would I have to include the temperate forest sprite with the grf?

19:11:15  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] andythenorth commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

19:11:47  <andythenorth> cryoshakespeare: you can reference the sprite number(s) in the base set

19:12:00  <cryoshakespeare> Ah cool, thanks :)

19:12:36  <andythenorth> there's a bunch of trees around 1712 or so in the sprite numbers

19:13:24  <andythenorth> FIRS forest: https://gist.github.com/andythenorth/c87415545d8d24e4984e06ca5643c97c

19:13:27  <andythenorth> search https://gist.github.com/andythenorth/c87415545d8d24e4984e06ca5643c97c

19:13:44  <andythenorth> search for `forest_slope_aware_ground_with_trees_uniform0`

19:14:13  <cryoshakespeare> Awesome, cheers(:

19:14:32  <_zephyris> That doesn't work for action5/A or replace/replace_new though, or does it?

19:14:57  <cryoshakespeare> I've been trying to make a little fork of 2TallTyler's Improved Town Industries, to allow it to use snowless forest sprites in arctic climates

19:15:04  <_zephyris> Only in town building/object/industry sprite layouts...

19:15:13  <_zephyris> Oh, yeah, that would work

19:15:37  <cryoshakespeare> I would actually just replace the sprites used with FIRS's, but I don't know how, it's a bit beyond my paygrade to understand how to translate the py files into nml

19:21:29  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] danielplaumann commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

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19:57:51  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] rubidium42 commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

20:10:16  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] rubidium42 opened pull request #24: Change: make DOS TTD palette the default, instead of a compile time random one https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/pull/24

20:10:21  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] danielplaumann commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

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20:16:13  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] rubidium42 commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

20:21:20  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] danielplaumann commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

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21:01:52  <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/grfcodec] andythenorth commented on issue #22: Wrong colours when decoding under macOS https://github.com/OpenTTD/grfcodec/issues/22

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