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05:43:22 <petern> MacOS stack traces useless again?
06:07:53 <petern> #10681 requires downloading 772MiB of NewGRFs... :/
06:11:40 <petern> Hmm, something broke, but I wasn't watching it.
06:11:51 <petern> It had started downloading and then went back to 0.
06:16:19 <petern> Rubidium, how do I debug tile accessors these days? Since the Tile/TileIndex change I can't just put in numbers.
06:20:57 <petern> Hmm, I wonder if it was still downloading but overflowed -- I did change how the progress bar is drawn with interface scaling.
06:24:19 <petern> Oh great, grfmsg got sorted, I was wondering if I should macroize it somehow but it's been done 😄
06:46:43 <petern> Is it possible we'll do a 13.2 or are we too far gone for that?
06:50:28 <andythenorth> did we break anything that causes 14.0 to happen?
06:53:45 <Eddi|zuHause> didn't we do 13.1 like yesterday?
06:53:51 <LordAro> petern: macos traces from old versions definitely still useless
06:54:11 <petern> It's 13.1, despite the report saying 11.3.
06:55:04 <petern> (And there wasn't a 11.3 :))
06:55:21 <LordAro> might have been 1.1.1 :p
06:55:26 <petern> I wouldn't remember that either.
06:55:41 <petern> I got woken up by leg cramping this morning 😦
06:56:08 <LordAro> my knee did better than expected yesterday
06:56:15 <LordAro> paying for it today though
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06:57:12 <andythenorth> have to go places
06:57:39 <andythenorth> should stop making variants for Horse
06:59:31 <Rubidium_> petern: with a unit test? Though, can't you do GetTileSomethingSomething(Tile(1234))?
06:59:58 <petern> Unit tests are not debugging 🙂
07:01:54 <petern> > Passing class, struct, or union types by value to a function evaluation is not supported.
07:02:02 <petern> > GetTileType(1876536)
07:02:02 <petern> > Passing class, struct, or union types by value to a function evaluation is not supported.
07:02:02 <petern> > GetTileType(Tile(1876536))
07:02:02 <petern> > expression preceding parentheses of apparent call must have (pointer-to-) function type
07:02:25 <petern> > Implicit constructor call not supported.
07:02:55 <Rubidium_> hmm, are there many accessors you need/want to manually call from the debugger? Otherwise just make a void MySomething(int tile) { GetTileSomethingSometing(tile); } for debugging
07:02:58 <petern> Hmm, maybe I need a debug build 🙂
07:03:51 <petern> Depends, I'm just trying to look at data for the crash save in #10681, so it could be any old thing.
07:06:42 <petern> Urgh, this NewGRF has tons of 4x 32bpp graphics, debug build is slow to load 😄
07:14:37 <Eddi|zuHause> the 700MB must come from somewhere :p
07:20:28 <petern> Anyway, seems a road stop points to a plain grass tile.
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08:11:25 <sittinbythefire> Would anyone happen to have an updated NML syntax highlighter for Notepad++? The one on the Devzone is pretty outdated and I can't access the (slightly) more current one I have on my laptop at the moment.
08:17:34 <pickpacket> Eddi|zuHause: is this a game or reality?
08:17:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that is transport fever 2
08:18:00 <pickpacket> graphics look pretty sweet
08:18:15 <pickpacket> just the fact that I had to ask speaks for that I guess :D
08:18:47 <Eddi|zuHause> that's low-medium settings on the graphics :p
08:25:33 <TrueBrain> also, maybe check in with your eye-doctor, you might need glasses 😛
08:32:09 <pickpacket> TrueBrain: I have glasses 😛
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08:52:42 <petern> > ALL my projects in Bananas are all OBSOLETE
08:54:17 <petern> Good job, have to trawl the forums finding a specific page...
08:55:09 <LordAro> sounds like we should mark them all as savegame-only
08:55:20 <LordAro> if that's what they feel
08:55:44 <petern> Well, the issue is the one I need is in a savegame, and isn't on bananas
08:55:53 <petern> Or at least, not the correct version.
08:58:26 <petern> Mind you, a missing object NewGRF shouldn't cause much issue.
08:59:14 <LordAro> seems like it's something to do with the new versions not being ready?
08:59:26 <LordAro> rather than any particular idealogical disagreement
09:45:38 <petern> I wasn't suggesting any motive.
09:49:27 <pickpacket> it's all because of the new world order. The lizard people have hacked bananas
10:12:05 <LordAro> FLHerne: maybe worth putting in the nml repo?
10:12:52 <FLHerne> LordAro: it's generated by the gen_editor script in the nml repo
10:13:45 <FLHerne> but yeah, including the actual generated files in some download would be nice
10:13:57 <FLHerne> I can't find them anywhere
10:53:57 <glx[d]> petern: Well the trace is at least readable now, but it's too small to be useful in #10681
11:05:12 <petern> Hmm, apparently it's 20°C in here, but it feels freezing :/
11:12:37 <Eddi|zuHause> check your blood pressure?
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11:48:09 <petern> Hmm, it wasn't an overflow.
11:51:55 <petern> I think the timeout flow control is breaking.
12:01:04 <petern> Or something else is. I changed the timeout and it stopped quickly, but now it just works. Huh.
12:13:44 <Kuhnovic> I recently learned that there is a setting to scale plane speeds so they aren't too overpowered. Maybe it makes sense to do the same for ships but the other way around, because they can feel very sluggish. What do you guys think?
12:16:22 <pickpacket> Kuhnovic: I feel like ships are a bit neglected in the base game, but there are several NewGRFs that do a lot more with them. Those NewGRFs make that kind of setting superfluous imho
12:16:50 <petern> Actually it's the wrong way around, the original and default is 1/4, but of course people want planes to actually go fast, so the setting scales plane speeds so they are overpowered...
12:18:45 <petern> Making ships go faster would be weird.
12:18:59 <Kuhnovic> pickpacket: I agree with you that there are quite nice Ship NewGRFs out there, but most of them don't provide any faster ships, just a bigger variety
12:19:39 <petern> Hmm, is a savegame load failure critical?
12:19:47 <petern> Or rather, ever not critical?
12:20:48 <Kuhnovic> Crash-the-game-critical or abort-the-loading-process-critical 😛 ?
12:21:23 <Rubidium_> "a" savegame load failure not necessarily, though "intro game" load crash is probably fairly critical
12:22:42 <dP> I just happened to to confirm #9817 can cause trains to skip servicing, can someone finally reopen it or should I make a new bug?
12:22:58 <Rubidium_> I was almost thinking you were reviewing a PR of me, but... I haven't pushed that yet...
12:24:15 <FLHerne> Ships already have the unique strength of near-infinite capacity, plus lower infrastructure costs
12:26:02 <Rubidium_> but... (automatically) changing the reservation while driving is not really realistic! :D Here doing that means revoking the signal and leaving everything in place for I think 3 minutes before the switches may be changed again, to prevent any kind of weird derailments due to the revocation of the signal arriving too late
12:27:01 <Rubidium_> but then again, there are basically always signals just before switches
12:31:36 <petern> it's either a pathfinding (+reservation) conflict issue, or a timing issue, or most likely both.
12:43:56 <dP> you mean skipping service? there is nothing timing about it, it just can't find depot because of existing reservation
12:45:00 <dP> and it was too far from the depot when it reserved that
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13:24:12 <LordAro> T-4min til maybe-space
13:38:09 <petern> dP: No I mean working out if we will need to find a depot earlier.
13:39:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i read "space" and thought i was in a different channel :p
13:53:59 <petern> So they're just happy it launched. We had rocket launches 60-odd years ago...
14:14:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but not THIS rocket. it's a special rocket. or something
14:16:06 <LordAro> it is a very big rocket
14:16:16 <LordAro> bigger than Saturn V in several ways
14:31:37 <petern> Hmm, using HTTP POST to retrieve data feels wrong :/
14:34:17 <pickpacket> petern: uhm. Yeah. That sounds wrong 🤔
14:35:08 <petern> Javascript's fetch() API disallows HTTP GET with a body, so you end up hitting query string length limits.
15:30:24 <glx[d]> It includes 0X in the 4 ?
15:33:26 <dP> probably for some consistency
15:37:53 <LordAro> >>> '{:#04x}'.format(0)
15:37:58 <LordAro> consistency with python i suppose
15:48:17 <dP> stuff like this in general I'd guess `'{:#7,}'.format(-1234)`
15:48:56 <dP> don't want some unexpected punctuation screwing your formatting
15:51:25 <LordAro> fun Ada fact: the Image function for integers ("to string") always includes a leading space for non-negative numbers, so it's consistently aligned for negative numbres
15:51:32 <LordAro> this is helpful precisely never
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17:08:31 <petern> > commit 74444b3d347f67fb8ab430588a485e083ccd7d51 (more-scale-by-interface)
17:08:31 <petern> > Author: Peter Nelson <peter1138@openttd.org>
17:08:31 <petern> > Date: Wed Nov 16 17:15:22 2022 +0000
17:08:31 <petern> > Change: Centre company face in scaled widget.
17:08:38 <petern> I knew I had a commit for that...
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18:42:37 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> but what about the asymmetric earrings? :p
18:48:47 <petern> I never understood why that bugged somebody...
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18:58:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i never really cared about the faces anyway
18:58:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i even knew there were earrings before that "bug" came up
19:12:14 <LordAro> i liked the gold-rimmed glasses, didn't care about anything else
19:17:14 <petern> I wonder why it uses a temporary vector too 😄
19:17:24 <petern> Probably a left-over from malloc/free code flow.
19:19:33 <petern> Oh it's cloning into not-a-vector.
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21:50:44 <sittinbythefire> FLHerne: very belatedly, thank you 🙂
22:05:58 <TrueBrain> petern: Yeah, a few checks aren't mandatory .. meant so you don't have to wait for the slow mingw. But that was before auto merge was used .. so I will make those mandatory soon too :p
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