IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-09-04
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07:50:48 <andythenorth> eh almost github 10k
07:55:28 <wallabra> Wait, it says trams or trans? Sorry, the font's a bit small.
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12:01:48 <andythenorth> all those pointless 'cursor up' key presses
12:06:08 <andythenorth> ok spent 3 hours making this industry dirtier 😛
12:06:21 <andythenorth> because Peter kept saying 'needs dirt' 😛
12:09:40 <andythenorth> big chimney no longer looks like plastic marble run part
12:14:43 <reldred> I was very upset to have never gotten a marble run set as a kid
12:15:42 <andythenorth> oops, nearly forgot to Bananas the FIRS release
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12:54:45 <FLHerne> andythenorth: I like the new one
12:54:58 <FLHerne> and yes the pipes are much better
13:48:21 <andythenorth> can we merge load-through stations from JGRPP? 😛
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14:16:52 <FLHerne> what's a load-through station?
14:18:16 <FLHerne> oh, like for loading hoppers
14:18:24 <FLHerne> that would be very nice
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14:48:08 <andythenorth> it's the one tile thing
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15:46:28 <peter1138> Hmm, low effort ride today.
16:01:49 <peter1138> How do we manage to resurface crap roads and still end up with bumpy rough surfaces?
16:04:55 <LordAro> dunno about you, but round here they tend to be super nice after resurfacing, then invariably cover them in rough gravel about 6 months later
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17:25:13 <peter1138> They skip the super nice bit.
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19:08:24 <glx[d]> just an extra ta to station
19:11:44 <dP> it feels like brackets around GS were added to older commits at some point
19:11:51 <dP> even if it's part of a method name
19:13:05 <frosch> yeah, it's wrong, the second [ ] should be ( )
19:13:42 <TrueBrain> When is the meet-up? 😛
19:14:05 <TrueBrain> bit far driving for most of you
19:14:27 <frosch> i have no nice party location
19:14:47 <frosch> middle of city, no garden, ...
19:15:03 <TrueBrain> so I vote andythenorth 's place
19:15:07 <TrueBrain> he must have a big garden
19:15:13 <andythenorth> my garden is surprisingly small
19:15:45 <dP> lol, and I was just about to PR but looks like you got it covered xD
19:17:12 <TrueBrain> omg andythenorth , clean up for once in your life
19:17:13 <TallTyler> My place; if you’re driving it’ll be really wet
19:17:14 <andythenorth> the garden is about 3m
19:17:20 <andythenorth> from those windows
19:17:43 <TrueBrain> so who else can offer a place to celebrate .. michi_cc[d] ? 😄
19:18:10 <andythenorth> I have 2500 square feet of unused office
19:18:20 <TrueBrain> that works, I guess
19:18:30 <andythenorth> I am crap at meeting in real life
19:18:43 <andythenorth> even by the low standards of technologists and geeks
19:18:46 <TrueBrain> you are talking to a bunch of nerds ...........
19:18:58 <TrueBrain> but we really should do one again soon
19:19:00 <TrueBrain> has been such a long time
19:19:18 <andythenorth> making conversation kills me, and I only like board games if I am winning
19:19:32 <andythenorth> quite often I have a nap at group meetup things
19:19:34 <TrueBrain> just bring your laptop and draw some trains for us
19:19:54 <andythenorth> hmm, how about Lake Como?
19:20:06 <TallTyler> Livestream of Andy drawing trains?
19:20:28 <TrueBrain> always shows how much we suck at planning shit .. doing a livestream for 10k would have been an excellent idea 😛
19:20:51 <TallTyler> 10,001 just got opened so looks like we missed our chance
19:21:06 <andythenorth> we should livestream again soon
19:21:11 <TrueBrain> but I can still taste the 10k pie, so there is that
19:21:18 <andythenorth> eh I'll see if Lewis from Yogscast will actually meet 🙂
19:21:32 <andythenorth> OpenTTD devs vs. Yogscast for Jingle Jam?
19:22:04 <TrueBrain> I am up for what-ever
19:22:19 <TrueBrain> how about we do a meet-up and we livestream from there?
19:22:22 <TrueBrain> that would be hilarious
19:22:47 <TallTyler> Everybody needs different Zoom backdrops so it looks like you’re not in the same place
19:23:32 <TallTyler> But then you appear in the same frame and surprise the viewers
19:23:46 <TrueBrain> btw, the 10k PR would have been a good one to post on hackernews .. still cannot believe someone posted a wiki page there yesterday ... slow-news-day 😛
19:23:54 <TrueBrain> TallTyler: haha, yes!
19:24:02 <TrueBrain> so basically we just need a place and date, I guess 😛
19:24:10 <TrueBrain> too bad the good weather is leaving us soon here in Europe ...
19:24:30 <frosch> usually you ask someone else for a drink, and they reach into your frame to pass it
19:24:49 <TrueBrain> the trolling potential is high
19:24:58 <frosch> anyway, if we want to meet outside on public ground, then aschaffenburg is not the worst place
19:25:11 <frosch> just no real 5g in germany, so hard to stream
19:25:24 <TrueBrain> anyone has a Starlink?
19:25:34 <TallTyler> If you come to Colorado I’ll get you all on the train, but I realize I’m the furthest so that doesn’t make sense
19:25:48 <TrueBrain> yeah ... that might be a bit too expensive
19:26:03 <frosch> we flew in someone from montreal last time, but we were richer back then :p
19:26:20 <TrueBrain> Aschaffenburg sounds fine by me frosch ; we noticed last time, somewhere in Germany is "most central" for most people who like to attend for these things, most of the time
19:26:28 <TrueBrain> frosch: ha, yes, that was fun 😄
19:26:42 <frosch> well, the czech are no longer around
19:26:52 <frosch> so netherlands would be better this time
19:26:53 <TrueBrain> I am sure V will join, won't he?
19:26:58 <frosch> easier to reach from denmark and uk
19:27:50 <TrueBrain> so ideally somewhere near an airport too I guess 😛
19:28:23 <TrueBrain> I can check at work .. they have a huge meeting place there, which they often rent out. Curious what it costs for people working there. It has a roof and everything 😛
19:28:31 <frosch> haha, i am 45 minutes from frankfurt airport :p
19:28:51 <TrueBrain> it does however require taking a train 😛
19:29:12 <frosch> yes, those are the 45 minutes
19:29:13 <andythenorth> I would probably get the train from the UK
19:29:27 <frosch> you can go by boat to nl
19:29:29 <TrueBrain> we should check who would like to come first, I guess
19:29:36 <andythenorth> did Milan -> Bristol by train in May, due to EasyJet cancelling flights twice
19:29:59 <TallTyler> I would be interested in going, if I can find a reasonably affordable flight
19:30:43 <TrueBrain> for 9999 I originally wanted to make a discussion on Github for a meetup, but was like: ugh .. but no I am excited 😄
19:31:07 <TrueBrain> is it a developers meetup? Or just a meetup? 🙂
19:31:11 <frosch> ah, i thought 9999 was that stalebot thing :p
19:31:58 <frosch> same rules as last time, everyone can attend who can care for themself (adult) and does not get so drunk to cause problems
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19:32:02 <andythenorth> TallTyler: if you do come, I've just decided I want more B40s 😛
19:32:39 <frosch> with prior registration, to receive details in private, so attendance is kept in control, and not spread on social media to unknown groups
19:33:02 <TrueBrain> haha, that is a thing now yes 😛
19:33:11 <frosch> it was already a thing last time :p
19:33:19 <frosch> i scolded pm for posting his address on the forums
19:33:31 <TrueBrain> 😄 You are a smart cookie
19:34:20 <frosch> disasters do not even require malicious intend. first guy posts it on openttd facebook page, someone else forwards it to their group, it reaches people who do not know what openttd is, and htey just share "party"
19:35:25 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: I live in a flat with no garden, not really the best place for a big meet-up.
19:35:42 <frosch> yeah, looks like we are all nerds 🙂
19:36:24 <frosch> so, some public place in nl? convenient to reach by everyone?
19:36:48 <TrueBrain> yeah, we can figure something out there
19:37:46 <michi_cc[d]> No idea how easy places are to come by, but I'd guess Amsterdam is well connected travel-wise.
19:38:07 <TrueBrain> we can always just go in one of the parks nearby Amsterdam
19:39:19 <TrueBrain> so, shall we make a discussion on GitHub to get the ball rolling? Anyone up for creating that?
19:40:46 <nielsm> a meetup (anywhere), when would it be? october some time? november, december?
19:41:05 <frosch> probably when it is still somewhat warm 🙂
19:42:43 <andythenorth> I have to do lots of notice these days, because school holidays and crap
19:44:24 <jfs-> okay for the heck of it, I tried searching some random dates for train to amsterdam... this might be a bit too many transfers
19:44:49 <andythenorth> 7 hours for me to Amsterdam
19:45:03 <FLHerne> frosch: the London meetup was posted publically on forums/reddit for several years, I don't know of any incidents with that
19:45:20 <andythenorth> was it in a pub though?
19:45:24 <andythenorth> not someone's house?
19:45:39 <FLHerne> true, I guess a house party is different
19:45:47 <TrueBrain> jfs-: anything closerby that is easier to reach for you? 😛
19:45:59 <jfs-> nah this is just the worst case I picked out
19:46:03 <andythenorth> I think first 10k party was also FIRS 1k
19:46:15 <TrueBrain> 10k party we did in Leiden
19:46:20 <TrueBrain> with a very small dutch group 😛
19:46:26 <andythenorth> FIRS 6738 party 😛
19:46:43 <jfs-> but well, Hamburg is easy to get to for me
19:46:44 <andythenorth> there was a cake for one of them, I saw photos
19:47:00 <TrueBrain> well, someone (not me) should make a Discussion for this tbh 😛
19:47:03 <TrueBrain> or some other platform 😄
19:47:46 <andythenorth> but was thinking of visiting
19:47:56 <andythenorth> importing things by post is now very confusing for UK
19:48:10 <jfs-> to amsterdam, this is also an option for me (departure on a friday night)
19:48:58 <jfs-> that's a night train to hamburg, arriving 5:31 (and then 15 minutes to transfer to ICE)
19:49:41 <andythenorth> hmm how about Billund ... Legoland?
19:50:31 <jfs-> may as well go to Odense for the railway museum then (but tbh there are more interesting places around in Germany)
19:51:44 <andythenorth> I went to Legoland UK, 'better than expected'
19:51:48 <andythenorth> expectations were low
19:55:28 <TallTyler> I think a meetup at a train museum or heritage railway would be fitting and a good way to keep conversation flowing
19:55:45 <TallTyler> No idea what the options are in continental Europe
19:56:31 <TrueBrain> there is one in Rotterdam that is pretty nice
19:57:17 <Rubidium> For those coming from the direction of Germany Utrecht is even closer (by travel time) than Amsterdam, and it's not much further (in time) from Schiphol than Amsterdam
19:58:08 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: will you also join? 😄
19:58:37 <frosch> yes, 's-Hertogenbosch-Utrecht-Amsterdam line continues to frankfurt
19:59:39 <jfs-> uh what's it called, Miniatur Wunderland?
20:00:50 <frosch> i have not been there 🙂
20:01:16 <Rubidium> frosch: 's Hertogenbosch is a (multiyear?) detour as they are expanding between Arnhem/Emmerich and Oberhausen ;)
20:01:43 <Rubidium> though Miniatur Wunderland would be an interesting location as well
20:01:50 <frosch> i think my corporation has an office there
20:02:42 <andythenorth> as long as I can buy £390 of TT gauge trains I'm easy 😛
20:02:53 <andythenorth> that is the limit before import taxes apply
20:03:09 <TallTyler> I've always wanted to see Miniatur Wunderland
20:04:25 <frosch> wow, is it that popular?
20:05:11 <Rubidium> isn't it just a sort of real world OpenTTD ;)
20:05:48 <TallTyler> Meatspace pixel trains
20:07:08 <andythenorth> the airport is impressive
20:07:29 <frosch> miniatur wunderland has some packages with hotels, harbor tours and public transport ticket
20:07:35 <andythenorth> quite a lot of tech involved behind the scenes
20:07:49 <frosch> so it's not a bad choice for a location, which is far from everyone
20:07:52 <andythenorth> well....not by modern standards I guess, but some rack mount thing sequences all the planes
20:09:12 <andythenorth> is this where Eddi says 'state machines'?
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20:10:19 <glx[d]> can't work without state machine 🙂
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20:11:39 <KerbMario> andythenorth: woooooooooosh
20:12:29 <andythenorth> wonder if anyone has analysed their airport throughput?
20:19:10 <frosch> TrueBrain: good enough?
20:19:43 <TallTyler> Why specifically male nerds?
20:20:08 <frosch> last time we were 19 male nerds, and one guy who brought their girl friend
20:21:08 <frosch> do you think that scares people away?
20:21:46 <TallTyler> It doesn't sound particularly welcoming to people who don't identify as male (I know there are some in our community)
20:22:09 <TallTyler> Mostly just unneccesary
20:22:14 <frosch> ok, i changed it into "computer nerds"
20:22:29 <TallTyler> Much more universally accurate 🙂
20:26:23 <frosch> not sure what other places to advertise
20:26:50 <TallTyler> Depends on how exclusive/private you want it to be
20:26:55 <TrueBrain> we can post it in Discord if we know the place and date, but ... honestly .. we have to be somewhat careful 😛
20:28:52 <frosch> that's a bit chicken-egg, isn't it? we need to know how many would attend, to pick a location or to cancel it out of scaryness 🙂
20:29:33 <frosch> factorio 1M party was pretty big, one guy came from australia
20:30:04 <frosch> i hope we are not that big 🙂
20:30:15 <KerbMario> i dont play factorio so cant tell if it is big
20:30:19 <FLHerne> frosch: I object to the '30 to 50' :-/
20:30:38 <frosch> KerbMario: "1M" refers to "1M early-access sales"
20:31:02 <frosch> two years before the real release
20:31:08 <FLHerne> and I know I'm not the only <30 guy, from the London meetup
20:31:08 <KerbMario> how many people came
20:31:46 <frosch> flherne: i just took me and tb, and added +- 10 years 🙂
20:32:05 <frosch> exceptions confirm the rule, or something
20:32:57 <FLHerne> I know it's a throwaway comment, but it still feels exclusionary tbh
20:33:05 <TrueBrain> well, frosch said what to expect, not to what age range you have to comply to 😛
20:33:14 <TrueBrain> but yeah, maybe widen it up a bit 😛
20:33:28 <frosch> factorio party was with pre-registrations and token-entry-fee (to limit to no-shows), at a public place, with probably 200 people
20:33:33 <FLHerne> "don't expect FLHerne to come"
20:33:45 <TrueBrain> well, we do expect you now FLHerne 😉
20:33:54 <FLHerne> might be lost in translation a bit, I don't know
20:33:58 <frosch> TrueBrain: 20-50 is silly, that's everyone
20:34:12 <frosch> i just want to stress, that we are not 20 year old kids
20:34:16 <FLHerne> I'd like to come, not sure if it's possible
20:34:32 <FLHerne> surely expecting everyone who might want to come is the point
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20:34:38 <XarothBrook> I read that as confirmation that FLHerne is coming.
20:34:40 <KerbMario> frosch: ~~20 years are already adults~~~
20:34:44 <TrueBrain> hmm .. good point frosch
20:35:12 <TrueBrain> `The age of developers has grown over the years, so expect some 30-40 years old grumpy person talking about "back in my day"`? 🙂
20:35:26 <dwfreed> ^ this would feel less exclusionary
20:35:38 <frosch> TrueBrain: added a note, better?
20:36:06 <dwfreed> still feels exclusionary to students
20:36:28 <TrueBrain> I would move that comment to the developer part
20:36:34 <FLHerne> yeah, the note as added is even worse
20:36:35 <TrueBrain> and leave the computer nerds ageless?
20:36:58 <KerbMario> by the way, 10k for what
20:37:10 <FLHerne> KerbMario: see the number of the discussion
20:37:29 <FLHerne> well, we had 10000 a few minutes ago
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20:38:21 <frosch> ok, james says, minatur wunderland is booked for months, lol :p
20:38:22 <KerbMario> I likely couldn't come as i am only 14
20:38:36 <KerbMario> frosch: but it is great there i was there multiple times
20:39:02 <nielsm> it might be an unwritten expectation, but just want to point out that any day other than a saturday might be difficult to make, with having to get there and back again
20:39:12 <TrueBrain> frosch: to nitpick, which 45+ developer are you expecting? 😛
20:39:27 <frosch> i do not know andy's exact age
20:39:48 <FLHerne> are you sure there aren't developers <30...?
20:39:49 <michi_cc[d]> Strictly speaking, as long as you can convince a parent/legal guardian to come along, any age should be fine. I don't really expect us to plan a binge drinking party.
20:40:04 <frosch> flherne: lordaro is < 30 for sure
20:40:05 <FLHerne> I bet, say, Samu is based on their posting style
20:40:06 <andythenorth> might bring my kids 😛
20:40:15 <TrueBrain> michi_cc[d]: there most likely will be alcohol, so better to not have that discussion honestly 🙂
20:40:18 <nielsm> and also that a too early date might be difficult to arrange for travel and potentially getting days off work/etc
20:40:19 <KerbMario> nielsm: also saturday could be better for everyone
20:40:27 <FLHerne> my intermittent NML poking probably doesn't count
20:40:51 <michi_cc[d]> TrueBrain: Problem of the guardian in this case then.
20:41:54 <frosch> problem with november-march is, we do not know about further lockdowns 🙂
20:42:16 <frosch> may be easier in netherlands again
20:42:37 <FLHerne> yeah, so the 30-50 range still bugs me a bit, but I guess that's LordAro's problem now since it's attached to "developers"
20:42:54 <KerbMario> frosch: well no one really knows how it'll be in their country then 🙂
20:42:58 <FLHerne> it just seems like an arbitrary thing that excludes some members of the community for no reason
20:43:22 <dwfreed> just adding "some" there would eliminate that
20:43:27 <nielsm> FLHerne: the way it's written reads to me not as a prescription, but rather a realization that a large part of the community probably _is_ that age range
20:44:15 <FLHerne> even "many" if that's more accurate
20:45:13 <KerbMario> î have a feeling frosch may be living in amsterdam
20:48:28 <frosch> nope, first letter is correct, then it's wrong
20:49:31 <frosch> if you want to stalk, you can find my location on the forums, and here earlier today in chat
20:50:36 <KerbMario> i dont wanna stalk, locations of people dont really help me lol
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20:59:19 <frosch> miniatur wunderland is cheaper and not that booked out from 22:30 - 01:00 🙂
21:00:26 <frosch> but yeah, i did not know this place is that popular
21:01:12 <michi_cc[d]> If the goal is actual talking between people (scary thought) then the Wunderland might too much distraction anyway. Much too easy to spend half a day without any interaction there.
21:01:44 <KerbMario> michi_cc[d]: too easy to spend a full day there
21:02:09 <frosch> yeah, i guess we drop that idea
21:02:28 <frosch> i'll pass the ball to the dutch then 🙂
21:02:28 <KerbMario> some railway museum would be cool
21:02:48 <KerbMario> or speyer aircraft museum, they have some trains here
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21:04:48 <Bouke> Congratulations on the anniversary! 10k! 🎉
21:04:48 <KerbMario> i was there its pretty cool
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21:07:19 <frosch> i added the obvious "saturday" part 🙂
21:08:11 <KerbMario> anyways irc people, good night tomorroqw
21:08:43 <andythenorth> are we doing entertainment?
21:08:50 <andythenorth> not a 48 hour coding marathon? 😛
21:08:58 <andythenorth> open source sprints are quite fun 😛
21:09:14 <andythenorth> mostly people shouting 'why is the wifi so bad?' in multiple accents
21:09:35 <frosch> at pm's place we were mostly eating
21:09:42 <KerbMario> andythenorth: or "disconnect AGAIN!"!
21:09:56 <frosch> and making fun of PM's wifi password
21:10:40 <frosch> no, it was some random hash, and he had memorized it, but noone could follow with typing when he said it
21:20:38 <andythenorth> fixed the random wagon names a bit 😛
21:20:42 <andythenorth> can kind of see the size now
21:24:34 <frosch> i added "low 2-digit number of people" to expect
21:24:46 <frosch> i doubt we would host a 80+ people event 🙂
21:25:50 <dwfreed> frosch: that's what qr codes are for!
21:27:20 <frosch> how would they help with what?
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