IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2022-04-02
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08:41:24 <TrueBrain> I rolled a dice, it said: yes
08:41:59 <nielsm> it's kind of a gameplay balance change tho
08:42:15 <TrueBrain> balance being the correct word .. but yeah, that is why I was in doubt :)
08:42:21 <TrueBrain> it is not really a feature, so it kinda is okay?
08:43:01 <nielsm> but it's not quite a bugfix either
08:43:26 <TrueBrain> well, the rule is: no new features :P :D But again .. I am well aware this can roll both ways :P
08:43:35 <TrueBrain> so pick an opinion, and lets go with it
08:43:40 <TrueBrain> there is no right and wrong here :)
08:44:17 <nielsm> I'd rather save it for a major release
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08:45:32 <TrueBrain> do I dare to guess I backported it correctly, hmmm
08:48:38 <LordAro> oh yeah, we didn't do a release yesterday
08:50:13 <TrueBrain> I think I got them all
08:51:24 <TrueBrain> now to remember how to make an actual release ... I kinda forgot :P
08:52:48 <TrueBrain> I am still shocked my script "just works", for backporting .. I like that I made it :)
08:53:30 <TrueBrain> and I did the "remember signal" patch right \o/
08:53:41 <LordAro> could probably skip the 2 'gon' commits :p
08:53:48 <TrueBrain> could, but was too lazy :P
08:54:09 <TrueBrain> right, step one .. generate a changelog .. eeeuuuuhhhhh
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08:57:21 <TrueBrain> Fix #9735: Fix OrderBackup::Reset in non-GUI case
08:57:27 <TrueBrain> ugh, that commit message is not helping me at all :P
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09:00:49 <TrueBrain> maybe joke about the fact we didn't do it 1st of april too? :P
09:01:01 <LordAro> TrueBrain: "Possible desync when selling vehicle"
09:01:25 <LordAro> " and rebuilding depot"
09:01:27 <TrueBrain> I am not that sharp this early in the weekend :P
09:01:56 <michi_cc> Feel free to comment on the gist.
09:03:13 <michi_cc> Updated announcement with a new revision incorporating April 1st.
09:06:47 <michi_cc> And supply chain issues are very real, at least if you try to get physical industrial parts. Its crazy how much things are currently completely falling apart behind the scenes.
09:07:15 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: please don't drag my dayjob in this channel, k, tnx :P :P
09:11:03 <TrueBrain> that website didn't get better since last time we used it .. constantly disconnecting me :P
09:12:43 <TrueBrain> glx marked #9536 as to-be-backported. It is in my last non-merged PR, so I can remove it
09:13:42 <LordAro> having read the description, it's arguably a fix
09:13:57 <TrueBrain> it is on similar as the earlier PR I linked
09:14:02 <TrueBrain> and that was ruled for "not for 12"
09:14:29 <TrueBrain> it changes gameplay, I guess .. so after updating to 12.2, your game acts differently
09:14:37 <TrueBrain> I think we should try to avoid those cases
09:20:40 <TrueBrain> sometimes so hard to not write what the fix is, but what it actually fixes, in these lines :P
09:22:06 <TrueBrain> right, "good enough for me"
09:23:00 <LordAro> oh that's fun, don't add emojis
09:23:40 <TrueBrain> now all I need is an approval on #9843 :)
09:24:01 <LordAro> did you do any review of non-backported PRs?
09:24:20 <TrueBrain> I walked the list, and marked a shitton as " to be backported "
09:24:21 <TrueBrain> before I made the PR
09:27:20 <LordAro> ...did you try playing with the build? :p
09:28:29 <michi_cc> Slap a preview on and check a second time?
09:29:07 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: if you like to, sure :)
09:29:25 <LordAro> looks like it's going to have to be force-merged because of the windows ci change anyway
09:29:48 <TrueBrain> list of things not in 12 (that will be in 13), give or take
09:30:02 <TrueBrain> (all the PRs merged after 12.1 till now, is what that list is)
09:37:19 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: I sneakily changed the original PR description :)
09:42:58 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: preview ready, let me know if you find issues :)
09:46:02 <michi_cc> TrueBrain: Seems fine.
09:47:19 <TrueBrain> still shocked that all we have to do for a release, is update the changelog .. lol
09:47:25 <TrueBrain> there used to be so much more involved
09:47:41 <LordAro> isn't automation wonderful?
09:47:59 <TrueBrain> now I need to explain that at work :P :P
09:48:18 <LordAro> we're working on it :)
09:48:39 <TrueBrain> work faster! Wait, what? :P
09:48:50 <LordAro> part of our release process currently involves a member of the QA team rerunning their set of tests on their own machine, rather than trusting what comes out of the build servers
09:49:21 <TrueBrain> ha :D Our involves manual copy/paste of some files on some fileshare for the release to use the right components .. what could POSSIBLY go wrong :P
09:49:38 <LordAro> oh, there's definitely a bit of that too
09:49:53 <LordAro> making all of that stuff go away when we move to git
09:49:57 <TrueBrain> I always love these companies .. like they missed the boat 10 years ago, and just kept doing what-ever-it-was they were doing :D
09:50:04 <LordAro> completely rewriting the development workflow is fun :D
09:50:16 <TrueBrain> especially as you see it speeds up development :)
09:50:32 <LordAro> that's the hope, certainly
09:50:47 <TrueBrain> michi_cc: I checked the last release commit?
09:51:24 <TrueBrain> tnx for spotting that
09:51:27 <TrueBrain> I double checked twice ...
09:51:48 <TrueBrain> ah, I checked 12.0-RC1 ... lol
09:52:45 <TrueBrain> I guess I don't have to wait for the CI on this?
09:53:09 <LordAro> such admin power abuse
09:54:31 <TrueBrain> it doesn't actually matter for when the release rolls out, so meh :P
09:54:43 <michi_cc> I guess we can spin up the website staging too.
09:54:44 <TrueBrain> we are restricted by the amount of workers that can be active :)
09:54:59 <michi_cc> Or will it slow down the relase CI? :)
09:55:41 <TrueBrain> nah, most of that work is done by Cloudflare :)
10:03:02 <TrueBrain> owh, and I have to remember things like GOG etc .. eeeuuuuuhhhhhh
10:04:33 <michi_cc> Will do the website and other socials when all links are in place.
10:05:49 <TrueBrain> I will do GOG and Steam (also the news) in that case :)
10:08:11 <michi_cc> Hmm, "Linux (Distros) (ubuntu:20.10, groovy, g++)
10:08:11 <michi_cc> Process completed with exit code 100."
10:10:06 <michi_cc> Failure in apt update
10:10:20 <TrueBrain> groovy no longer exists
10:11:00 <TrueBrain> guess we are cancelling 12.2 :P
10:11:19 <michi_cc> See, supply chain issues :p
10:11:38 <michi_cc> So we cancel groovy, too? :)
10:11:47 <TrueBrain> LordAro: what do we do with this?
10:13:14 <TrueBrain> I think we should build LTS only for now
10:19:02 <TrueBrain> that will keep the CI busy for a bit :P
10:30:06 <TrueBrain> any approvals pretty please? :P
10:37:02 <TrueBrain> shall we try this again? :P
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11:12:45 <frosch123> fake news, i got a mail about a release :)
11:22:22 <TrueBrain> Pushed to Steam too
11:22:26 <TrueBrain> now lets see about GOG ..
11:23:56 <TrueBrain> `[ERROR] Couldn't connect to GOG.com servers`
11:25:00 <TrueBrain> works a second attempt
11:25:42 <TrueBrain> 7.32it/s] <- what is it/s? :D
11:26:37 <frosch123> bits can be true, false and diverse
11:32:34 <michi_cc> Socials done and dusted.
11:33:01 <michi_cc> Oh, what's up with Windows Store (orudge?)
11:33:06 *** DorpsGek changes topic to "12.2 | Website: *.openttd.org (source: github, translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only"
11:33:18 <TrueBrain> yeah, that is the one that isn't automated yet .. so yeah, orudge :)
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11:43:04 <frosch123> translating ottd wiki is quite a chore. someone is currently translating pages into italian, but after translating a page, they have to fix 10+ pages linking to the old english page
12:19:15 <Wolf01> Translating games without a story and massive talking sequences is really useless :|
12:20:36 <frosch123> massive talking sequences without story? not sure whether the issue is with "translating" :)
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13:03:04 <Wolf01> I'm fine with technical details (item names, menus etc) in english, I found many times translations so bad which things in italian were not understandable at all (for example in terraria), but I think that were just automated translations, also I have troubles understanding guides/walkthroughts/wikis when translated
13:05:53 <Wolf01> I think the problem is because most of the translators do the translation literally instead of rewriting it in their own language... like when dubs in games and movies are "wrong" because the actor doesn't even know what is dubbing
13:10:43 <frosch123> at some point my old employer decided to switch the base language from german to english. someone wrote a script to switch the german source texts with the externally translated english texts.
13:11:08 <frosch123> for most developers that was the first time, they saw the english translations for the software
13:11:27 <frosch123> there were quite some surprises and huge piles of nonsense
13:11:44 <frosch123> especially considering the english translations were used as base for yet other translations :)
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17:57:38 <FLHerne> Congrats on the release
17:58:32 <FLHerne> fwiw, my absence recently is because I now live on a tiny boat, all subsystems of which were broken in some way when I bought it
17:59:38 <FLHerne> I don't know how many blue pixels a 31ft narrowboat is
18:06:50 <andythenorth> does it have fibre broadband?
18:25:11 <nielsm> a narrow boat sounds like it won't support broad band
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18:40:17 <FLHerne> Does ADSL-over-wet-string count?
18:40:51 <FLHerne> (I know at least one UK ISP has demonstrated that working for the hell of it)
18:42:10 <FLHerne> but more seriously, I'm hoping with my dual-SIM phone I can get usable speeds enough of the time
18:42:31 <michi_cc> Starlink available whereever you are?
18:42:45 <FLHerne> plan B is the highest-gain antenna I can find on a 20ft pole
18:43:37 <FLHerne> 't have 70W available to run it continuously
18:44:18 <FLHerne> and they don't have proper support for roaming yet
18:44:38 <FLHerne> (and it's really expensive)
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21:41:22 <andythenorth> Can we have a setting to turn settings on or off?
21:41:43 <andythenorth> Settings: more settings | fewer settings | old style settings
21:41:47 <andythenorth> then we can have
21:41:58 <andythenorth> Setting settings: 3 setting settings
21:42:09 <andythenorth> and we remove old style settings
21:42:30 <andythenorth> so can then have
21:42:45 <andythenorth> Setting settings: 2 setting settings
21:43:00 <andythenorth> Then we can have a setting for that of course, but it might be silly
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22:04:58 <glx> let's just remove vsync option then :)
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