IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-12-03
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09:12:47 <peter1138> andythenorth[m], you're probably logged in to the app store...
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09:29:20 <SpComb> "Recommend to store music files to other drives" " TLC mode: It sounds like background music, no features and powerless, everything is flattened, lacks extension and density. " " pSLC mode: There is a special natural feeling, it becomes more smooth and calm, the thickness is slightly increased, and overall it is more resistant to hearing but still slightly dry. "
09:45:22 <SpComb> the heatsink looks pretty cool
09:46:58 <SpComb> I like how they go completely overboard with the DC power supply cable, and then the DC supply on the board itself passes via some $0.01 pin headers and generic jumper
09:52:18 <Timberwolf> This could only be better if the changes have worsened its specs as a functional component.
09:55:49 <Timberwolf> I did see a turntable a while back where after all the blurb about "custom built drive system" and "rotates on a pivot of just a few microns" they published some specs and it was like, "rumble: -56dB"... i.e., about on the level of the cheap BSR things they used to put in the top of Amstrad music centres, and resoundingly beaten by any 1980s mid-fi Japanese turntable.
10:27:14 <Timberwolf> It's a bit like the thing where Rolls-Royce used to list all their performance specs as "adequate", leaving you to think they must be so good it wouldn't be classy to shout about them... and when a car magazine has gone and tested it's turned out to be something like 180bhp, 0-60 in 11.5s and a top speed of 112mph.
10:27:43 <Timberwolf> They're not lying, it's just a bit... outclassed.
10:54:54 <andythenorth> hmm that article is dated April 24th though
10:54:57 <andythenorth> 23 days too late
10:55:31 <andythenorth> is there where 'adequate' comes from?
10:56:04 <andythenorth> one of my kids got 98% in an assessment last week (49 out of 50, I told him it was adequate
11:57:27 <peter1138> Rolls-Royce isn't about performance though.
11:58:59 <peter1138> Unless it's a jet engine. Do they still make them?
12:13:45 <FLHerne> They sold the car branding rights to BMW
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13:43:58 <andythenorth> I have seen OpenTTD eat memory for no reason on Monterey
13:48:05 <LordAro> read through some of the comments on that audiophile thread
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13:53:20 <andythenorth> I am having some struggles with it
13:53:37 <andythenorth> it's not that I _don't_ believe the SSD makes that much difference
14:18:56 * dP still remembers when listening music on pc speker was cool
14:39:50 <FLHerne> Certainly none of the 'audiophile' changes to that SSD will have any impact
14:40:01 <FLHerne> really, none of the changes will have any impact :p
14:46:25 <LordAro> i like the guy that uses a NVMe to USB adapter
14:54:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] a2aaron opened pull request #9727: Feature #9059: Add buttons to toggle music in the Game Options menu. https://git.io/JMyJH
14:55:59 <supermop_work> does the ssd have little conical feet?
14:59:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #9727: Feature #9059: Add buttons to toggle music in the Game Options menu. https://git.io/JMyTU
14:59:37 <supermop_work> "Now my disk has run about 5-600 hours, and still getting bether and bether, more detail, bether resolution,"
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14:59:53 <supermop_work> ah yes classic ssd break-in period
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15:24:32 <glx> and all that for 0 and 1 fed into a crappy DAC ;)
15:36:04 <supermop_work> i just saw a record that was being released on 8-track this week
15:37:30 <supermop_work> in the middle of this cassette nostalgia wave, I wonder how long until people just get nostalgic for lossy compressed mp3s played on crappy speakers, and people start targeting that
15:38:52 <supermop_work> in 40 years will there be an audiophile device that attempts to replicate the sound of playing a song as a youtube video at full volume on phone speaker in a subway car
15:40:46 <milek7> I wonder if most of these 'audiophile' products are money laundering scheme
15:49:16 <supermop_work> there is probably some of that
15:49:48 <supermop_work> some has to be performance art
15:49:56 <supermop_work> like the clever little clock or whatever
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18:28:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9727: Feature #9059: Add buttons to toggle music in the Game Options menu. https://git.io/JMyQz
19:09:41 <andythenorth> that audiophile thread is an elegant troll no?
19:11:36 <supermop_work> andythenorth: i am somewhat convinced that all audiophilia is trolling of some kind
19:14:42 <andythenorth> I enjoy that it's more plausible that 'burning in the SSD' produces analog type response in digital audio
19:15:13 <andythenorth> compared to say (for example) changes in the human ear or cognition due to diet, tiredness, illness, atmospheric pressure
19:15:40 <andythenorth> or changes in the analog hardware due to e.g. frequency variation in the AC supply or ambient temperature affecting speaker cone response
19:15:51 <andythenorth> definitely definitely gonna be the SSD
19:17:03 <supermop_work> or changes in your emotional state due to coming to grips with blowing your money on an audiophile ssd
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20:06:55 <michi_cc> glx: Any idea why mingw64 (and just mingw64) fails on linking #9725?
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22:34:57 <Timberwolf> andythenorth[m]: There's a standing joke that when you read a group test, "weighty and authoritative sound" will be given to the heaviest component and, "delicate and finely balanced" will be given to the lightest.
22:35:51 <Timberwolf> I'm pretty sure most audiophile stuff is just the psychoacoustic effect of, "I changed something, therefore it must be better"
22:36:17 <Timberwolf> Certainly the ridiculous things like cable elevators.
22:37:16 <supermop_work> those things must be somewhat performative
22:37:18 <Timberwolf> (Actually, saying that, cable routing does make a measurable difference with low-output moving coil cartridges, if you have something that's electrically noisy, although it's hard to tell the difference by ear)
22:37:45 <supermop_work> in the 'this looks so absurd/ugly/impractical that it must be good' sense
22:38:20 <supermop_work> i mean good cable routing makes me feel good for reasons totally unrelated to sound
22:38:41 <supermop_work> just that it feels satisfying to know that the cables are neat
22:39:32 <Timberwolf> I got into doing PCs in tiny cases a while back, there it ends up being essential for it to be possible to put the case back together after opening it.
22:39:59 <supermop_work> but good cable routing in a chinatown apartment just means 'less of a rats nest' not ' expansive path taking up space on the floor with little feet
22:41:57 <supermop_work> also my current audio cable situation is store brand rca-to-3.5mm cable from phono pre-amp to the aux input of a 2" cube waterproof bluetooth speaker that was originally meant to take to the beach
22:42:33 <supermop_work> i guess i could make some little feet for that
22:44:21 <supermop_work> speaking of ssds, i would like to build a basic pc for playing music into the case of an old sony or braun hi-fi component
22:44:58 <michi_cc> Okay, figured out mingw. No idea why, but apparently reinterpret_cast<CommandCallback *>(XXX) fails while reinterpret_cast<CommandCallback *>(reinterpret_cast<void(*)()>(XXX)) works.
22:45:06 <supermop_work> really tho it could just be an old phone with a big SD card taped to the front i guess
22:50:31 <Timberwolf> Find a nice amplifier and then build it into an Amstrad Tower System :)
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23:21:57 <michi_cc> So much for ISO standard C++. After like 100 tries all compilers are finally happy.
23:30:34 <glx> ah yes the typical void* intermediate cast
23:31:01 <glx> I did it for GetProcAddress() wrapper too
23:31:12 <michi_cc> No idea why this was specifically for mingw64, though. Even x86 mingw was fine with it.
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