IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-11-07
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12:18:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #9677: Fix: Do not redraw vehicle lists when skip order command is tested. https://git.io/JXnlp
12:23:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 merged pull request #9677: Fix: Do not redraw vehicle lists when skip order command is tested. https://git.io/JXJMt
12:38:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXnKI
12:39:08 <TrueBrain> the more I was looking at that PR, the more weird it became :P
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13:04:49 <frosch123> Please reply and turn my idea into a working DLC for my game.
13:15:04 <TrueBrain> seems like a fair request!
13:15:27 <andythenorth> DLC as a service
13:15:33 * andythenorth would buy into that
13:15:54 * andythenorth should be drawing horses
13:15:58 <andythenorth> but FIRS happened
13:17:41 <andythenorth> I want large (approx 10x4) layouts for a limited number of industries
13:17:58 <andythenorth> but I have to handle the case where they can't be constructed
13:20:27 <frosch123> LordAro: just some 13yo, who did not find the link to the suggestion forum. though if you want to play santa claus, you can write a motivational reply, like: if you want to become a game developer, be good in school, or something :p
13:20:54 * andythenorth wasn't good in school
13:21:01 <andythenorth> what do we conclude from that?
13:21:14 <frosch123> that's why you became a game developer, right?
13:21:24 <andythenorth> extended absences, and a small adventure into recreational drugs
13:21:45 <andythenorth> and lots of single player or null-modem gaming
13:24:05 <andythenorth> hmm can I have an action 14 param (bool or select), where the default is delegated to an environment var (in ottd client)
13:24:56 <andythenorth> if I (1) set FIRS to not use large layouts by default, I'll constantly forget to change the parameter, as I change grf often when developing
13:25:25 <andythenorth> but if I (2) default to large layouts, players are endlessly going to tell reddit that FIRS reports industries can't be built
13:27:26 * andythenorth seriously considers making an extra grf for this, and detecting it :P
13:28:18 <frosch123> pass the "do not write openttd.cfg" command line option, so ottd always reverts to your pure settings
13:28:55 <andythenorth> the simplest solution might be to not read reddit?
13:29:38 <andythenorth> I could use the parameter, but without a UI, and someone will find it and fork 'secret FIRS'
13:31:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXcCQ
13:33:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXcln
13:35:01 <andythenorth> game isn't really struggling to place a 10x4 industry on Alpinist, very rough, 256x512, high sea
13:35:33 <andythenorth> the test industry is ID 7 though, so it gets a run at a very clear map
13:36:24 * andythenorth looks if map gen settings are readable to grf
13:38:01 <andythenorth> TGP model isn't, probably for the best eh
13:41:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXcuZ
13:41:56 <TrueBrain> hacks being hacks ..
13:42:06 <TrueBrain> why don't we just close the screenshow window when you press one of the buttons?
13:42:16 <TrueBrain> screenshow, yes, that is what I meant to write :P
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13:43:36 <andythenorth> please show me ur screenshow
13:43:43 <andythenorth> discord when? :P
13:43:45 <andythenorth> editing typos :P
13:48:54 <TrueBrain> nah, I love my typos :P
13:52:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXcKO
14:04:16 <TrueBrain> a typical day of: I should be doing things, but .. meh
14:13:57 <peter1138> Although I think the bottom bracket is on its way out now :(
14:14:22 <TrueBrain> sometimes it is nice to not have context :D My mind fill in things .. lets not put that on paper :P
14:32:51 <TrueBrain> funny how GC traffic comes and goes .. yesterday there was 50% more traffic than the days before, including launch-day :P
14:33:50 <TrueBrain> and despite only 17% of the servers being "direct IP" (so no firewall etc), 43% of the sessions are via direct IPs :)
14:34:05 <TrueBrain> 43% is via STUN .. rest via TURN :)
14:34:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JPhrc
14:34:23 <TrueBrain> yesterday we served 15k times the server-listing :)
14:35:28 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCqM
14:35:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCqd
14:37:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JPhrc
14:37:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCYw
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14:45:35 <andythenorth> also why am I here twice?
14:47:43 <supermop_Home_> buy one get one andy
14:52:13 <supermop_Home_> what's going on
14:57:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXC0w
15:04:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCai
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15:11:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXC6L
15:19:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCDx
15:20:38 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCSm
15:25:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler dismissed a review for pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXCYw
15:25:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler updated pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JPhrc
15:25:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXC7E
15:26:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JXC79
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16:41:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc dismissed a review for pull request #9674: Fix: Don't show screenshot GUI in screenshots https://git.io/JPhAR
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18:44:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] scrmjt commented on pull request #9536: Change: Deliver cargo to the closest industry first https://git.io/JX8u2
18:50:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #9536: Change: Deliver cargo to the closest industry first https://git.io/JX82z
18:53:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9639: Feature: Ctrl-click to remove fully autoreplaced vehicles from list https://git.io/JikLE
18:54:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9653: Update: add setting to hide news about competitors vehicle crash https://git.io/JiZVo
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19:16:34 <TrueBrain> I have faith in my script .. :D
19:24:48 <TrueBrain> the only case I haven't tested yet, is when the PR was a multi-commit and squashed
19:24:51 <TrueBrain> we had none this round :P
19:36:44 <frosch123> aw, osx nighlty worked today
19:36:53 <frosch123> i thought there were a new excuse for no release :)
19:37:31 <michi_cc> LordAro: Your turn now after I had to merge your approved PRs for you :P
19:37:40 <TrueBrain> still can't believe we didn't receive an angry email we notarize every night :P
19:38:13 <TrueBrain> "This branch is 43 commits ahead, 71 commits behind master. " <- still love that GitHub doesn't notice this is in fact not true
19:38:21 <TrueBrain> not sure if there is anything we can do to make him understand that
19:40:39 <TrueBrain> you don't receive dickpics from GitHub? Hmmm
19:41:08 <frosch123> my webcam is usually unplugged
19:42:46 <dwfreed> TrueBrain: the counts are by exact commit hash, so unless you are merging master into release branches, it will always do this
19:42:53 <dwfreed> that information comes from git itself
19:43:01 <TrueBrain> I am aware why it says that
19:43:11 <TrueBrain> but it is still annoying :)
19:43:19 <TrueBrain> as a cherry-pick is already another hash
19:43:29 <TrueBrain> and to make a merge for every PR, is also a bit meh
19:43:43 <TrueBrain> too bad you cannot merge a PR into two branches or something
19:44:23 <frosch123> python had a bot to create PRs for every backport
19:44:49 <TrueBrain> would still make it hard to see what commits are actually different between two branches
19:45:08 <TrueBrain> there is also no way to sort Pull Requests based on their "merged" date
19:45:23 <frosch123> probably even harder, since the PR-numbers in the commit messages no longer match
19:45:24 <TrueBrain> and I found out that if you remove a branch from your fork, it can update the "last updated" of the PR :P
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19:47:12 <TrueBrain> also no clue why it is "update" :)
19:47:18 <TrueBrain> pretty sure that is the wrong keyword :P :P
19:48:01 <michi_cc> We used to say point releases are for fixes and not features, but IMHO it could merged as well.
19:48:13 <TrueBrain> no, you are right. "update" confused me
19:48:15 <TrueBrain> it is a feature in that sense
19:49:02 <TrueBrain> updated PR title to make me less confused next time I look at the list :D
19:49:30 <TrueBrain> if we backport features, we never have a 13.0 :P :P :P
19:51:27 <TrueBrain> but yeah, I guess the only real way to see what commits are and aren't in a release-branch is to start using merge commits .. blegh; luckily only an issue for the first few weeks after a new release :)
19:51:59 <TrueBrain> lol, 196 tags .. didn't release we made 196 releases already :)
19:52:08 <TrueBrain> release? realise ..
19:54:20 <TrueBrain> lol, auto-generated changelog of GitHub is funny :P It just adds the backport PRs :D Haha :)
19:55:34 <frosch123> tags are pretty stupid... i pulled from both jgrpp and android port
19:55:47 <frosch123> when i try to checkout a release tag, i usually get one of those
19:58:51 <TrueBrain> hmm .. since the migration to AWS, we haven't cleaned up nightlies anymore. And it start to become (pricewise) worthy of doing so :P
19:59:02 <TrueBrain> always a bit tricky, as we have been keeping the source tarballs
19:59:10 <TrueBrain> but remove the rest
19:59:21 <TrueBrain> with git around, one can wonder if that is actually useful, but okay
20:00:21 <frosch123> i thought upload and storage are free, only download costs?
20:01:50 <TrueBrain> the bucket is 100GB now .. so 2 dollar a month :P
20:03:14 <TrueBrain> seems around 50GB of that could be thrown away
20:05:05 <frosch123> oh, you already said that
20:06:26 <TrueBrain> guess I will first wait for more info on Cloudflare R2 :) That might just solve it completely anyway
20:19:08 <dP> hm, openttd.org still shows latest nightly as 20211103
20:19:16 <dP> but when clicked opens 20211107
20:22:23 <dP> it's almost time for the next nightly already
20:30:05 <dP> oh, looks like nightly failed yesterday
20:30:18 <dP> still don't get why latest is 03 but whatever
20:30:38 <dP> also I freaking hate this new fashion to show timestamps
20:30:56 <dP> like what exact time and date is "yesterday"?
20:32:02 <glx> nightly finally build on thursday, then no changes until yesterday (and failed)
20:32:59 <glx> today worked, so website is updated, but cache still shows previous success, which was thursday (03)
20:37:09 <FLHerne> Being able to download older nightlies could be useful for bisecting issues?
20:38:47 <glx> but 2 years of history for that ?
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21:23:59 <FLHerne> might be excessive, yes :p
21:26:01 <frosch123> sometimes users (who can't compile) actually use the nightly for bisecting
21:26:24 <frosch123> but that only makes sense for nightlies up to the last release
21:26:29 <frosch123> then you continue with tags
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