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07:32:57 <TrueBrain> "if the game was £29.99 i'd buy 2 copies. " <- so who wants to cash in? :P
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07:56:00 <andythenorth> but we don't make Simutrans
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08:22:31 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth opened issue #241: Attempt to warn when use of ternary op might fail due to over-writing temp register (?) https://git.io/Jozgk
08:24:37 <andythenorth> good times in nml :)
08:24:57 * andythenorth was about ready to quit yesterday, but the issues were found, always nice
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09:10:35 * andythenorth needs help with probability
09:10:55 <andythenorth> Eddi was my outboard brain for all maths problems, where has Eddi gone? :P
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09:22:45 <andythenorth> max 1 industry per town can increase production each month
09:22:56 <andythenorth> chance is 25% (if some other pre-condition is met)
09:23:10 <andythenorth> industries are evaluated sequentially, by industry type ID
09:23:23 <andythenorth> so if potash mine is ID 1
09:23:28 <andythenorth> and salt mine is ID 10
09:24:09 <andythenorth> the salt mine chance has 1 / n! or nCr or something
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09:24:28 <andythenorth> potash mine increases will be much more common than salt mine increases
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09:50:42 <andythenorth> maybe I can round-robin them somehow
09:51:04 <andythenorth> prevent the same industry getting an increase twice in a row
09:51:18 * andythenorth not aware of any grf-readable UUID for industries
09:53:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] andythenorth commented on issue #218: Request: Add variable for xy coordinates of industries https://git.io/JGqZ1
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10:30:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 commented on issue #241: Attempt to warn when use of ternary op might fail due to over-writing temp register (?) https://git.io/Jozgk
10:32:26 <andythenorth> fixed the original post
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10:45:59 <michi_cc> andythenorth: 0x80 for industries is the TileIndex, which will be unique unless somebody codes stacking industries for OTTD :)
10:48:27 <dP> michi_cc, can't there already be industries with same tile? pretty sure that tile can be empty on industry layout
10:52:24 <michi_cc> Okay, if the anchor tile can indeed be empty, you could have to industry layouts that slot right into each other. Easy to avoid within one industry NewGRF, though.
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12:24:19 <andythenorth> ok so FIRS primary industries now increase production (random chance) if the town is 'optimistic'
12:41:52 <dP> openttd does look like a competitive game on a surface
12:41:58 <dP> until you learn how it all really works
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12:48:54 <andythenorth> bad those mods :)
12:49:03 <andythenorth> no editing of an open source game :)
12:54:52 <dP> huh? ppl play vanilla competitively more than anything
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13:29:44 <glx> and the test case is exactly what you found in FIRS I think
13:30:14 <glx> (with more indirection maybe, but same effect)
13:31:43 <glx> for the ternary issue, I'm looking into auto translating the problematic ternary into a procedure call
13:31:53 <glx> should be better than a warning
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14:00:38 <Samu> glx, how should I test smarter_ships branch?
14:01:59 <Samu> in which situations do ships smart reverse?
14:02:43 <glx> when they enter a dead end, can be docks, coast, ...
14:04:04 <glx> they used to do a basic reverse, now they can choose between the usually 3 possible tracks
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14:05:01 <Wolf01> Is there an arm version of OTTD?
14:06:16 <glx> simple test case I made was a dock where the ship stops on the side facing the dock, then I immediatly built a dock behind the ship to trap it
14:06:29 <frosch123> Wolf01: there actually is, but i think it is untested
14:06:58 <glx> without smarter_ship it will just bounce between the 2 docks
14:07:23 <Wolf01> Now I need to finish the initial config then enable dual boot
14:13:43 <Samu> that's why you wanted my savegame
14:18:06 <Samu> that's actually an amazing fix! it would render many of my patches pointless if ships can smart reverse
14:19:23 <Samu> wait, maybe there's some situation where it can't be fixed
14:25:07 <Samu> /* Test if continuing forward would lead to a dead-end, moving into the dock. */ this test could be removed now, right?
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16:31:25 <kaomoneus> Hi folks! Question about _date_fract. In definition I found comment that it is increased by 885 and we once we got an overflow new day begins. But...
16:34:11 <kaomoneus> And yet 885 magic is still used somewhere..
16:34:17 <LordAro> kaomoneus: where is this 885 comment?
16:34:32 <LordAro> days are divided into 74 ticks, as you have found
16:36:57 <LordAro> ah, 885 logic is still used within NewGRFs
16:37:09 <LordAro> which are ancient and "Compatibility Must Be Maintained"
16:37:21 <LordAro> s/which are/the format of which is/
16:38:07 <kaomoneus> This is pretty hackish (and smart though)..
16:38:26 <LordAro> a remnant of the original TTD, i suspect
16:38:34 <kaomoneus> but, why just not to use _date_fract % DAY_TICKS
16:39:00 <kaomoneus> Now it's always less than DAY_TICKS though..
16:39:33 <kaomoneus> Well, anyways, now it makes sence. Thanks!
16:41:49 <kaomoneus> assert(_date_fract < DAY_TICKS)
16:41:59 <kaomoneus> *value = _date_fract;
16:42:12 <LordAro> that... is not the same
16:42:28 <LordAro> newgrfs expect the old uint16-overflow method of calculating date_fract
16:42:39 <LordAro> so the current date_fract value is multiplied by 885 (as specified in the comment)
16:43:17 <kaomoneus> LordAro: so you mean, that newgrf overrides "_date_fract++" logic?
16:44:17 <LordAro> newgrfs expect 0, 885, 1770,
16:44:35 <LordAro> but that (hacky) method of fractional dates is no longer used (probably not for 15 years now)
16:44:41 <LordAro> but the newgrf spec cannot be changed
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16:46:18 <andythenorth> some of the grf debug window lets values be edited (click on the value to edit)
16:46:21 <andythenorth> e.g. parameters to vars
16:46:29 <andythenorth> could persistent storage be editable?
16:46:38 <andythenorth> I have cases where e.g. I want to zero it
16:46:43 <kaomoneus> We just convert _date_fract into _hackish_date_fract_80386_friendly.
16:46:46 <andythenorth> or put specific values in a register to trigger a behaviour
16:47:53 <andythenorth> this is for debug + testing
16:50:04 <kaomoneus> LordAro: what is main use case of _date_fract by newgrf? Is it more for introducing new vehicles or industries or some animation?
16:56:11 <andythenorth> if anyone could approve that one...would be good :)
17:10:13 <LordAro> kaomoneus: i have no idea
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17:20:42 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on issue #8869: Setting resolution really small in openttd.cfg crashes the game https://git.io/JqF5J
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17:30:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 opened pull request #243: Add: Warn when ternary operator results are not read only https://git.io/JoP7L
17:35:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #243: Add: Warn when ternary operator results are not read only https://git.io/JoPNT
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17:36:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #239: Fix: example_train grf triggering an error message in OpenTTD https://git.io/JoPAK
17:38:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #236: Add: show an error if a required property is not set for objects (feature 0F) https://git.io/JoPpe
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17:39:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] LordAro approved pull request #220: Fix #209: Cargo 'profit' callback applied a unit conversion, when there was no unit. https://git.io/JoPhu
17:40:02 <LordAro> and #231 needs updating, andythenorth :p
17:40:18 <kaomoneus> What is the game common way to convert integer to string? strstream?
17:40:39 <LordAro> if it actually needs to be a string? strtoi, probably
17:40:47 <LordAro> if you're just printing it, use printf & friends
17:42:23 <kaomoneus> LordAro: I want to make dropdown with minutes. I seed that for months, days and years it goes through localized string IDs. But woudln't it be overkill to do same for minutes?
17:42:51 <LordAro> surely it doesn't do that with years
17:42:57 <LordAro> given there are 5000000 possibilities
17:43:35 <glx> no need to convert int to string if you use normal strings
17:45:30 <glx> and I think there's already existing dropdowns with list of numbers, they can be used as inspiration
17:46:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 closed issue #241: Attempt to warn when use of ternary op might fail due to side effects https://git.io/Jozgk
17:46:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 merged pull request #243: Add: Warn when ternary operator results are not read only https://git.io/JoP7L
17:47:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 merged pull request #239: Fix: example_train grf triggering an error message in OpenTTD https://git.io/JzmU1
17:52:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 merged pull request #236: Add: show an error if a required property is not set for objects (feature 0F) https://git.io/JEFYE
17:56:17 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 closed pull request #212: Fix #209: Sign-extend value before cargo_profit callback result calculation https://git.io/JO9VQ
17:56:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 merged pull request #220: Fix #209: Cargo 'profit' callback applied a unit conversion, when there was no unit. https://git.io/JG5mG
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18:10:16 <kaomoneus> Is here a way to hide some widget and all its children? Is LowerWidget a correct method for it?
18:11:59 <dP> kaomoneus, use NWID_SELECTION
18:19:30 * andythenorth proposes new industry flags
18:19:42 <andythenorth> "don't include in map totals when considering whether to construct more industry"
18:19:55 <andythenorth> "try to locate at least one of these in every town"
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18:46:41 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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