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13:17:24 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler opened pull request #9572: Fix: Changing raw industry funding method redraws GUI https://git.io/Jz2r9
14:29:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i might have screwed up my system
14:30:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i selected a bunch of updates, and it started with "uninstalling glibc"... now nothing that wasn't already running runs anymore...
14:31:02 <FLHerne> glibc is pretty useful
14:39:05 <dwfreed> that's fixable, but it's a pain to do
14:39:49 <Eddi|zuHause> any suggestions?
14:40:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, my current plan is "boot from usb repair disk, reinstall the missing package"
14:42:31 <dwfreed> for debian, dpkg --root=/your/fs -i ./glibc.deb
14:42:36 <dwfreed> after fetching the deb
14:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm using opensuse. and i'm pretty sure i have all the packages cached. but i can't run rpm to install anything
14:54:48 <LordAro> if something is still running, the file is probably still there, just marked as deleted
14:54:54 <LordAro> though i've no idea how you'd pull it out
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15:18:41 <nielsm> yep you'd need a rescue boot disk for that
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15:23:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh approved pull request #9572: Fix: Changing raw industry funding method redraws GUI https://git.io/Jzatl
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15:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: yes, i've done that with files before, but it's hard to do when you can't run any commands :)
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15:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> my boot disk should be done any second now... i'll probably be "dead" for a while then :p
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15:32:56 <blindvt> Could it be that openttd on windows does not use the configured proxy settings? 1.11.2 here
15:33:59 <nielsm> openttd makes direct socket connections, it doesn't use any configured HTTP proxy or anything no
15:34:09 <nielsm> direct network connections*
15:36:02 <blindvt> nielsm, hmz. That not ideal. All the clients are blocked from direct network access but must use the grand squid
15:36:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that's unlikely to work, then
15:39:13 <blindvt> which servers are used to "download extensions" in the splash menu? Maybe i can get those whitelisted by my net admins
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15:43:25 <blindvt> and cudos for this excellent game!!
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16:52:45 <peter1138> rpm-based systems eh?
16:58:02 <dwfreed> apt would have been like "are you really sure you want to remove glibc? it's Essential!"
17:07:47 <nielsm> but apropos the above question, I really do wonder if it wouldn't make sense to write a new HTTP wrapper that uses the system HTTP library and respects system proxy etc.
17:13:46 <blindvt> a simple --proxy host:port option would work for me. On linux we have the http_proxy/https_proxy env vars, autodetection of wpad.localdomain/wpad.dat java config scripts and whatnot. Windows has that proxy settings somewhere. _I_ wouldn't want to manually write support for all these ;)
17:14:18 <dwfreed> windows and mac both have system-level proxy config options
17:14:51 <dwfreed> these will automatically get used if you use the system HTTP client libraries
17:14:52 <blindvt> It seems we'd only have to open the connection to the proxy and just talk HTTP to that (provided that you do use HTTP and not a custom proto, didn't look far enough yet)
17:15:11 <dwfreed> some people might be using SOCKS proxies
17:15:51 <dwfreed> Linux is more complex, but if you use eg libcurl, there's a flag to tell it to respect the proxy env vars
17:16:05 <blindvt> dwfreed, indeed to both
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17:20:39 <nielsm> yeah that's also my point, proper support for proxies is hard, better let someone else do it right
17:21:21 <nielsm> and there's a lot of things in HTTP we also don't do right now
17:21:40 <nielsm> and pretty sure HTTP/1.1 chunked encoding, and proper redirects?
17:22:33 <glx> hmm I can prevent dead end nodes to be added to open node list, but that's just a very small reduction of node count
17:23:34 <blindvt> There's NetworkHTTPContentConnecter and we'd maybe just need to disentangle the hostname from the TCPConnecter(proxy_host, proxy_port)
17:25:08 <blindvt> Connecter is funny, i'd have trouble not to type Connector :)
17:28:37 <dwfreed> nielsm: yeah, just grow a libcurl dep and move on with life
17:30:40 <nielsm> ideally use a system library to keep binary distribution size down imo
17:31:24 <nielsm> i.e. not use curl on windows
17:31:29 <dwfreed> libcurl is not that big :P
17:31:53 <dwfreed> but yeah, if the system API doesn't suck horribly, doing OS specific there is fine
17:36:45 <LordAro> libcurl on windows is a Pain
17:38:11 <LordAro> blindvt: there are actually some environment variables you could set - see src/network/core/config.cpp
17:38:58 <LordAro> though you can't change the port, that appears to be hardcoded
17:39:58 <glx> port can be set in env var (often used to test staging)
17:40:04 <LordAro> it's called 'default port' everywhere, but i don't see any way of changing it..
17:40:43 <glx> all XXX_CS variables can be set with address:port
17:41:05 <LordAro> well then, config.cpp should keep you happy
17:48:22 <glx> nielsm: about #9571 we suggested this on discord, and the result is sdl and fluidsynth, with fluidsynth driver saying "Could not set volume", but I'm out of ideas
17:52:44 <nielsm> fluidsynth plays through the game's internal mixer so uses the SDL sound driver for output in effect
17:52:59 <nielsm> so if the SDL sound driver doesn't work for any reason you won't have music either
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18:48:09 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:49:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] jorisdrenth commented on pull request #9513: Change: Use colourblind-friendly gradient for linkgraph https://git.io/Jza58
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19:03:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9511: Feature: Add selected toolbar buttons to MacBook Pro Touch Bar https://git.io/JE318
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19:07:58 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #9572: Fix: Changing raw industry funding method redraws GUI https://git.io/Jz2r9
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19:29:26 <andythenorth> newgrf town growth callback when?
19:29:40 * andythenorth is trying a tightly integrated grf + GS
19:29:45 <andythenorth> but it's just a bit....weird
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