IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-07-30
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04:50:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] perezdidac commented on pull request #9043: Feature: ability to build overlapping bridges on different axes https://git.io/JBzxI
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10:36:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9043: Feature: ability to build overlapping bridges on different axes https://git.io/JB2P4
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10:51:01 <NGC3982> does space haven have an irc channel yet?
10:51:29 <NGC3982> i know where i am, i just figured you guys seem to be the key demographic :-)
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11:05:12 <FLHerne> NGC3982: space, the final frontier?
11:05:28 <FLHerne> NGC3982: There's ##space on Libera and #SpaceX on irc.esper.net
11:05:40 <FLHerne> both of those are quite busy
11:09:08 <NGC3982> spacehaven is a new strategy game from bugbyte
11:09:08 <FLHerne> NGC3982: oh wait obviously you know about the first one you're in it :p
11:09:44 <FLHerne> my brain elided "haven have" to "have"
11:10:04 <FLHerne> didn't register at all
11:14:04 <Timberwolf> I keep thinking of #space as like some of the geographical channels I'm in, "For people who live or work in space or the immediate area"
11:16:39 <FLHerne> "No, ma'am, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space."
11:18:45 <Timberwolf> "In the ISS today, anyone for pub?"
11:23:29 <NGC3982> there might be a day when #space (single-#) will be reserved for people actually in space
11:25:39 <NGC3982> i wonder if irc will still be a thing then
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15:43:47 <_dp_> There are some suspicions for mac build desyncing sometimes
15:43:54 <_dp_> game rly needs to send build info to the server
15:44:23 <_dp_> like, I have some desyncs that I can't repro even though I have exact game state and full command log
15:44:35 <_dp_> they may be mac or android or whatever, idk
15:45:10 <_dp_> but I can't repro them so can't do anything about it
15:45:23 <_dp_> well, I know of one android desync for sure
15:47:19 <_dp_> unfortunately it doesn't seem like pelya can fix it :(
15:48:03 <_dp_> and I know nothing about android development to help either
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15:54:22 <_dp_> hm, and if android desyncs mb arm64 win build does as well
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18:53:24 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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21:07:13 <andythenorth> python copytree seems slow
21:07:34 * andythenorth wonders if the implementation is just using the OS filesystem methods or not
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21:20:02 <andythenorth> maybe I need to rethink docs publishing
21:20:36 <andythenorth> I have 540MB of docs, and every time I run make they copy from src to dist
21:21:33 <frosch123> is the size the problem? or the amount of files?
21:22:11 <LordAro> do they all change every time? rsync or similar might be better than blindly copying all 540MB
21:22:44 <frosch123> yes, but only if the size is the problem. if the amount is the problem, rsync or cp -u won't help
21:25:54 <andythenorth> typically 1k items are changed
21:26:01 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 0.022727272727272728
21:26:33 <andythenorth> they're tagged versions of docs
21:26:56 <LordAro> i'd recommend swapping out the python with an rsync
21:27:12 <andythenorth> seems very unwise
21:28:51 <andythenorth> I don't even have make checking any deps
21:30:11 <LordAro> rsync with a --delete will manage that
21:30:52 <LordAro> rsync -a --delete src dist/
21:31:04 <LordAro> possibly with a -v if you want lots of output
21:33:57 <andythenorth> funny that rsync is missing on modern macs
21:34:20 <LordAro> it's rare that it's installed by default anywhere
21:34:51 <glx> somehow your Makefile has not proper dep rules
21:35:40 <andythenorth> they're basically *
21:36:07 * andythenorth doesn't understand how to write deps rules
21:36:16 <andythenorth> other people usually give me a patch
21:36:23 <glx> if dist is deleted every time, a full copy always happen
21:40:22 <LordAro> deeply recursive makefiles are difficult
21:40:34 <andythenorth> rsync is very fast
21:40:40 <andythenorth> much faster than mac finder copy
21:41:21 <andythenorth> ok I need to shell out from python, or call this from makefile
21:41:45 <andythenorth> python will be subprocess or something
21:44:40 <LordAro> probably easier to subprocess it
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21:46:31 <andythenorth> soooo much faster
21:47:17 <andythenorth> didn't benchmark, but a LOT
21:47:32 <andythenorth> 10s of seconds vs. maybe a couple of minutes
21:51:08 <_dp_> crazy idea of the day: make regions on the map with varying object scale
21:51:20 <_dp_> like, some parts have huge houses, trees, etc and some have tiny
21:51:37 <_dp_> wonder if it's possible to change vehicle scale on the way
21:51:52 <_dp_> I guess it is if newgrf knows scale function
21:52:18 <andythenorth> so rsync: full copy 20s, partial copy if just one grf changed docs, about 2s
21:53:33 <andythenorth> python copytree: not as slow as I thought, about 18s for a full copy, but it does a full copy *every* time
21:53:43 <andythenorth> that seems to have got faster, maybe because I un-nerfed my mac
21:55:01 <andythenorth> mac finder copy is about 1 minute
22:02:35 <frosch123> pff, compiling openttd in qemu-arm64 is like compiling firefox on gentoo
22:06:02 <_dp_> is there a simple way to define a bunch of objects of the same class in nml?
22:06:15 <_dp_> without having to define spritelayout{} and item{} for each
22:06:23 <_dp_> they're just rows of sprites in the image
22:06:39 <frosch123> spritelayout can have parameters
22:06:52 <frosch123> so you can reuse the same spritelayout for different objects
22:07:30 <frosch123> but you will need a item in nml for every item in openttd
22:09:59 <_dp_> oh well, guess it's time to move to python
22:10:24 * andythenorth wonders why FIRS makefile bothers with bundle_src target
22:11:00 <andythenorth> ok adventures in makefiles
22:11:10 <andythenorth> I want to create 'make release' target
22:11:26 <andythenorth> which runs bundle_tar target, then an extra python script
22:12:51 <_dp_> is there a way to make an optional parameter for an nml block btw?
22:16:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] perezdidac commented on pull request #9043: Feature: ability to build overlapping bridges on different axes https://git.io/JBwXP
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23:33:43 <frosch123> 154 minutes to compile a dedicated server on qemu-arm64
23:33:48 <frosch123> i won't bisect anything :p
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