IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-07-26
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08:47:46 <LordAro> 09:44:59 < dpk> concept: alternative sound pack for OpenTTD where all the sound effects are replaced by someone pretending to make the noises
08:47:54 <LordAro> 09:45:25 < dpk> like the steam train noise is someone saying "chuff, chuff, chuff, chuff" and the bus noise is "brum, brum"
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11:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> could be a nice match with toyland
12:45:40 <Samu> darn, the bresenhams line check is slow :(
13:32:08 <Samu> im running out of tricks to speed up pathfinder
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14:04:13 <Samu> using valuator for the bresenham is cpu intensive, it's a bad idea
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14:17:50 <Samu> it seemed bresenham would speed up things at first sight
14:18:06 <Samu> but i was running at 250k ops very fast preset
14:18:45 <Samu> at the defaults 10k, medium, the check against the line itself slows down a lot
14:39:01 <Samu> it still quits earlier than the other method
14:39:31 <Samu> ended up being the first to build a ship, compared to the no-bresenham line limit
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14:48:04 <Samu> 444 days to give up, vs 118 days to give up, bresenham's, albeit iterating slower, was faster to give up
14:48:42 <Samu> 444 days is seriously too long
14:54:13 <glx> pathfinding on water is the worst
14:57:57 <Samu> there's then ShipAI which is extremely fast by comparison
15:00:38 <Samu> i get sad that all i can do is mail ships, because the ship is slower, meaning the routes are shorter
15:01:02 <Samu> hovercrafts try to get routes of about 250-300 distance and it's so slow
15:01:15 <Samu> no path found or whatever...
15:03:00 <Samu> running the game in fast forward really gives a different perspective, like it seems everything is perfect, oh i can get 5k ships, etc..
15:03:40 <Samu> but in reality, at normal speeds, it's a different story
15:04:53 <glx> based on filenames, I think ShipAI uses 3 different pathfinders
15:09:54 <Samu> 2nd route build for bresenhams
15:11:19 <Samu> the one on the right is bresenham's
15:11:39 <Samu> the one on the left, has no limitations, other than the number of iterations
15:12:51 <Samu> distance is actually 200 and 243, that's not even 300+ as I thought
15:13:30 <glx> I don't know if it's done, but for full water I think a possible option would be to include distance to coast in cost calculation
15:14:49 <glx> but determining distance to coast is not free
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16:28:21 <Samu> how would distance to coast help me in this case?
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16:37:51 <peter1138> It would stop your triremes being lost at sea.
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17:00:36 <_dp_> having many open tiles is good in theory since you don't even need to pathfind
17:00:45 <_dp_> pf just have to make actual use of that
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17:55:26 <Samu> gonna try different values here, any suggestions
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18:51:46 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:05:54 <TrueBrain> I totally took a joke too far
19:06:08 <TrueBrain> it is not even funny anymore
19:06:11 <TrueBrain> but I am laughing my ass off
19:06:34 <TrueBrain> sometimes I really have an insane idea in my head .. and to my surprise I can make it a reality
19:06:40 <TrueBrain> not sure what to think of it :P
19:07:21 <TrueBrain> I now really have to understand NewGRF specs a bit more to make it be more apparent that it really works ...
19:08:32 <TrueBrain> awh, publishing to GitHub Pages failed ..
19:09:51 <TrueBrain> while open, click the big green button
19:10:58 <TrueBrain> I blame andythenorth
19:13:27 <TrueBrain> This is Rust + WASM + React + Emscripten, all put to work in a single place :)
19:14:13 <TrueBrain> is that all you have to say about it? :P
19:14:25 <andythenorth> it's the best comment :D
19:14:31 <Timberwolf> I quite like the tech stack for the web application!
19:14:51 <TrueBrain> I am really amazed it actually works :D
19:14:54 <Timberwolf> Maybe I should start writing all our front end stuff in Rust, make finding a front end dev as hard as a back end one.
19:15:13 <TrueBrain> well, the frontend is pure React (and bootstrap)
19:15:19 <TrueBrain> Rust is just converting the inputs to a valid GRF
19:15:42 <TrueBrain> (which via React is given to Emscripten to OpenTTD, to write the file and allow loading it ..)
19:17:15 <TrueBrain> I think this is about as far as I can drag insanity :P
19:17:33 <andythenorth> 'to insanity and beyond!'
19:18:02 <TrueBrain> now to extend it to be useful? :D
19:18:30 <TrueBrain> not a single clue if I am actually fixing a problem by such tool :P
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19:23:03 <andythenorth> the problem of stopping TrueBrain getting bored :D
19:46:24 <glx> ok so disabling coal mine also removes power station
20:15:43 <TrueBrain> fun gimmick on my part :P
20:18:41 <andythenorth> does it analyse cargo chains? :P
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21:43:46 <Timberwolf> I should play into the maglev era more often. The station design gets really interesting.
21:46:15 <FLHerne> Yeah, but the trains get really boring
21:46:38 <FLHerne> "this train has infinity speed +1, and can ignore hills just like the last one"
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21:52:58 <Timberwolf> What I didn't appreciate is while hills become a "meh, who cares", things like failed merges and enforced slowdowns absolutely kill a maglev line, causing standing waves that it's difficult to recover from unless your design lets them propagate all the way back to a station or other train release.
21:53:17 <Timberwolf> Probably less of an issue with short train lengths.
21:54:39 <Timberwolf> With longer trains the acceleration 250mph->400mph requires a significant amount of track.
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