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05:23:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 approved pull request #9443: Feature: allow the use of STUN to connect client and server together https://git.io/JWalY
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07:36:35 <andythenorth> comments are quite good
07:36:42 <andythenorth> Ars comments are usually ok
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09:32:07 <FLHerne> Looks like the guy got fed up of debugging config problems second-hand, so he added a backdoor so he could log in and be helpful
09:32:17 <FLHerne> clearly OTTD needs this
09:32:58 <FLHerne> I'm sure TrueBrain won't mind any security concerns
09:35:36 <andythenorth> it's a fairly common pattern I think
09:35:48 <andythenorth> "earlier in my career I worked with some smart card vendors"
09:36:14 <FLHerne> peter1138: andy's article
09:40:16 <peter1138> Do I need a Steam Deck? Will OpenTTD be playable on it?
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10:04:33 <FLHerne> "maybe" and "yes" respectively
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10:21:57 <peter1138> Oh lord, do I need a Stream Deck MK.2 as well? o_O
10:34:48 <Timberwolf> I sometimes think about one then realise that is very much a step Too Far for playing one game with no scenes or transitions and talking nonsense at a microphone.
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16:51:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 opened pull request #9444: Change: [Win32] Set the console codepage to UTF-8 https://git.io/JWKW4
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17:40:46 <TrueBrain> time to release a new toy, I think :D
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17:50:09 <TrueBrain> guess I should also add GameScript to the API for servers.openttd.org .. meh, another day :P
17:50:33 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9443: Feature: allow the use of STUN to connect client and server together https://git.io/JWZe2
17:51:08 <TrueBrain> this weekend TURN .. although I have no clue how yet, but I am sure I figure out a way ..
17:51:25 <TrueBrain> and making the server-listing less resource-hungry ..
17:51:29 <TrueBrain> I think that is all :P
17:52:42 <TrueBrain> I am talking about NewGRFs taking up a lot of resources
17:52:50 <TrueBrain> and I want to send the name of the NewGRFs from the server
17:53:03 <TrueBrain> so clients already know what NewGRF .. but we need a clever way to send that over the wire :)
17:53:52 <glx> grfid+md5 is not enough for clients ?
17:54:08 <TrueBrain> that gives this ugly list of grfids you are missing when you don't have them
17:54:13 <TrueBrain> having the name there helps a lot
17:55:02 <glx> ha yes grfid+md5 are only good if the newgrf is present
17:55:10 <TrueBrain> so either another packet you can send to the GC to get names based on grfid+md5 you are missing
17:55:15 <TrueBrain> or already add them to the server listing somehow
17:55:34 <TrueBrain> the first is what we used to do, but it was asked to a server
17:55:50 <TrueBrain> and it might be the most trivial to implement
17:56:17 <TrueBrain> but, first TURN and statistics :)
17:56:37 <glx> as list is now in TCP it should be simpler to add data
17:57:33 <DorpsGek> - Add: deployment of STUN server (by TrueBrain)
17:57:52 <TrueBrain> the easiest is to add it to the "server info" blob
17:58:05 <TrueBrain> but that means that the name of the GRF for every server is send to the client in the listing
17:58:11 <TrueBrain> most likely GRFs are used more than once
17:58:20 <TrueBrain> so that might be a bit expensive in bandwidth
17:58:22 <TrueBrain> on the other hand ...
17:58:33 <TrueBrain> I can just do that, and see how it works out :P
17:58:54 <glx> first easy, then an optimised way :)
17:59:12 <TrueBrain> optimization requires protocol changes, so ideal we figure this out before a release
17:59:20 <TrueBrain> but .. yeah .. cost-wise there isn't a real issue
17:59:34 <TrueBrain> if I put Cloudflare before the wiki I save us more money than this would cost :P
17:59:52 <TrueBrain> it just might be an issue for slow clients to fetch the server listing .. I will have to do some math on it :)
18:07:59 <TrueBrain> 3203 NewGRFs are used with the current set of servers, that is ~7 per server on average
18:08:22 <TrueBrain> one NewGRF is used with 68 servers
18:08:42 <TrueBrain> let's say a NewGRF name is on average 20 characters
18:08:57 <TrueBrain> 50KB difference with the server-listing :)
18:10:08 <TrueBrain> it is 30KB of data for everything except NewGRFs
18:10:48 <TrueBrain> but as we send NewGRF data, the current server listing is 100KB
18:10:57 <TrueBrain> that would become 160KB if we add names of all the NewGRFs the lazy way
18:12:37 <TrueBrain> if we deduplicate them somehow, I think we can end up below 100KB .. for example by first sending all NewGRFs and assigning them an index, which is used in each server entry
18:13:09 <TrueBrain> I think ~50KB for all servers might be realistic even
18:22:00 <andythenorth> could you pre-compute all possible combinations of newgrf and give each combo a hash?
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18:51:26 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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19:00:42 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: it is a bit difficult to get from a hash back to a human readable string :P
19:00:46 <TrueBrain> bit .. the point of a hash, but okay :D
19:04:39 <andythenorth> just hard-code them into the client :P
19:04:51 <andythenorth> you want to release a newgrf you say?
19:04:53 <andythenorth> wait until April
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19:19:35 <glx> lot of strings to translate
19:50:06 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc approved pull request #9444: Change: [Win32] Set the console codepage to UTF-8 https://git.io/JW6Jb
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21:01:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #9444: Change: [Win32] Set the console codepage to UTF-8 https://git.io/JWKW4
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