IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-05-25
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08:53:03 <TrueBrain> was a bit surprising, but yeah
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09:11:37 <peter1138> I got my VLANs working, now to decide whether I *should*...
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09:46:09 <orudge> Hurrah, signed version of openttd.exe, and of the installer where applicable
09:51:01 <LordAro> not like there's a limit on things that could be signed
09:55:38 <peter1138> "This certificate can only be used twice and will then self-destruct"
09:55:53 <peter1138> Hmm, gitea is bugging me with forced pushes... :/
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10:13:13 <peter1138> -t-42(~t42@freenode/staff/t-42)- Registered : May 20 04:39:39 2021 (5d 5h 32m 35s ago)
10:14:37 * peter1138 considers storing data as json inside a varchar column :/
10:15:09 <peter1138> Otherwise, so much related fields.
10:15:20 <LordAro> if postgres, then sure!
10:15:50 <peter1138> Sadly not. It would effectively be an opaque field as far as the DB is concerned.
10:52:50 <TrueBrain> sorry orudge , but our variable naming is all over the place :P :P
10:55:02 <orudge> It was meant to be roughly consistent with the Apple stuff, I think
10:56:00 <TrueBrain> dunno, found 3 variations :P
10:56:55 <TrueBrain> surprised how little code it takes honestly
10:57:51 <TrueBrain> looking at the timestamp url, very weird that most documentation uses http://
10:57:58 <TrueBrain> that feels really really really odd, when talking about certificates :P
10:58:27 <orudge> https might work there, I didn't try
10:58:30 <TrueBrain> we go through all this trouble of stting up a trust-chain, but the timestamp? NAH! ITS FINE!
10:58:39 <TrueBrain> just .. baffled by that, honestly :)
10:59:12 <TrueBrain> its http:// in the official Microsoft Docs ... guess you should just note that in a question, where you got it from
10:59:15 <TrueBrain> and leave it at that ..
10:59:38 <orudge> I'll get the amendments done when I have a chance, wife is in hospital so not able to spend much time on this just now, sorry!
11:00:21 <TrueBrain> no worries; pretty sure what the priority is there ...
11:00:50 <TrueBrain> hope she is fine etc :)
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15:20:56 <TrueBrain> "there is no native method, but here, I show you one"
15:21:16 <TrueBrain> "nice" is relative to start with :D
15:21:17 <keenriser> this uses .net framework methods
15:21:24 <TrueBrain> is there a difference?
15:21:31 <TrueBrain> (I know 0.1 about PS :P)
15:21:48 <keenriser> native powershell methods allow you to pipe input and output like bash
15:21:49 <TrueBrain> anyway, I like the solution, so I shouldn't nitpick :D
15:22:06 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, this you ened to do with a weird construct
15:22:21 <keenriser> so you'd want something like 'cat env:/VAR_NAME | ConvertFrom-Base64 | Import-Certificate -CertStoreLocation Root'
15:22:32 <TrueBrain> okay, that makes sense :) Tnx :D
15:22:56 <keenriser> I'm all about putting everything on a single line :P
15:22:59 <TrueBrain> I did not know you could just call .NET framework methods transparent like that :P
15:23:13 <TrueBrain> I google'd Powershell base64, saw those examples, assumed it was PS :P
15:23:43 <TrueBrain> well, a single line, especially for secrets like this, wouldn't hurt
15:23:49 <TrueBrain> writing it in a temporary file is .... scary
15:24:19 <keenriser> not sure how these actions work, are they all run in sequence on the same machine? it seems like state is carried over between steps?
15:24:51 <TrueBrain> and in sequence on the same machine
15:25:28 <keenriser> cool, learned something new today ;)
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17:05:32 <TrueBrain> just so you know, you know
17:08:59 <TrueBrain> like: this game is new, I can see the potential, but I am waiting for the next version :P
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17:11:06 <TrueBrain> I love how people are just in for the rewards :P
17:12:12 <frosch123> i guess at 95% approval, negative reviews are 20x as visible :p
17:12:27 <TrueBrain> I just filtered on negative reviews :)
17:12:48 <frosch123> by default it shows recent positive and negative reviews
17:12:57 <frosch123> what are the changes that your review is the top one?
17:13:28 <TrueBrain> its just funny how broken the review system really is
17:13:44 <TrueBrain> it gives a general idea of how a game is doing
17:13:46 <glx> less broken than metacritic
17:13:47 <TrueBrain> but in detail, it is worthless
17:14:44 <frosch123> there are still lots of nostalgia reviews, so i guess we can't complain :)
17:15:21 <frosch123> better sell your stocks :)
17:15:30 <TrueBrain> wait, you have stocks? :o
17:15:57 <Rubidium> guess I should review CS:GO or something and complain I get shot every time I try to explore the place
17:16:19 <frosch123> can CS:GO players read though?
17:18:12 <frosch123> on the other road next to my house, there often park two cars with plates: "... E 1337" and "... EZ 1"
17:18:26 <frosch123> i directly filed them under CS players :p
17:23:02 <Rubidium> well, the person complaining there are trains probably can't read either
17:23:32 <TrueBrain> who said it was a complaint?
17:24:05 <TrueBrain> maybe it was the only positive thing he could think of!
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17:26:10 <_dp_> ugh, trains are disgusting, they're slimy and wiggly like worms
17:26:20 <_dp_> how do you even play this game without throwing up?
17:26:35 <_dp_> and some madman even modded them into slugs...
17:26:59 <Rubidium> or, that person should take a look at #9280 ;)
17:41:19 <_dp_> hm... fatal error: charconv: No such file or directory
17:41:26 <_dp_> does master need gcc 8.1+ now?
17:42:14 <_dp_> yeah, but 1.11.2 compiled with 7.5 just fine
17:42:26 <LordAro> mm, there have been some minor changes
17:43:21 <LordAro> can probably remove the charconv usage relatively easily
17:44:37 <Rubidium> what's special about 7.5 to require things building there?
17:45:38 <LordAro> ubuntu18.04, i think?
17:45:47 <LordAro> or one of the older debians
17:49:11 <LordAro> replacing it with std::stoi should be feasible
17:49:13 <Rubidium> apt-get install g++-8?
17:49:58 <Rubidium> okay, that's not the default for 18.04, but it's available
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17:55:28 <_dp_> Rubidium, how do I make openttd use it?
17:56:38 <glx> you can set variables on cmake invocation
17:57:13 <_dp_> I suspected that much :p
17:58:26 <_dp_> ok, looks like found it, nvm
17:58:39 <glx> we set CC and CXX env vars on CI, but there's also some -D for cmake
18:09:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 commented on pull request #9280: Fix: Do not send vehicles towards incomplete PF nodes https://git.io/JGvmP
18:11:28 <_dp_> hm... interesting, I had 1.11.2 crashing somewhere in the nvidia driver so I tried master
18:11:42 <_dp_> it doesn't exactly crash but it freezes completely
18:12:01 <_dp_> should I do something useful about it or just write it off to old drivers or smth and use -v sdl?
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18:13:07 <_dp_> oh, master crashed eventually as well
18:13:27 <frosch123> fetch a backtrace :)
18:14:59 <frosch123> SDL_GL_SwapWindow, so not even our code :p
18:21:05 <_dp_> well, I have it under gdb so if someone has any ideas I can poke around
18:25:06 <_dp_> actually, I can try to bisect, I think it started crashing relatively recently
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19:06:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] vituscze commented on pull request #9280: Fix: Do not send vehicles towards incomplete PF nodes https://git.io/JGv8Q
19:16:18 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:23:36 <andythenorth> I stopped working at 6pm
20:23:41 <andythenorth> played Warcraft 1 and cooked dinner
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20:25:02 <V453000> W1 is some serious vintage
20:25:21 <V453000> he said and went back to a 1994 transportation game
20:25:29 <andythenorth> I play stupid custom games
20:25:34 <andythenorth> 6 peons, 1 catapult
20:25:43 <V453000> W1 already had those?
20:25:48 <andythenorth> once you figure out the unit pathfinding there are exploits also
20:25:59 <V453000> honestly I only played W2 as a kid and I remember mostly nothing
20:26:27 <andythenorth> there are exploits similar to station walking also, to increase village size
20:28:52 <V453000> tonight I got quite close to finishing terrain coloring for all 4 climates
20:29:02 <V453000> just bridge postproduction and I got a new version going :)
20:43:49 <LordAro> comment comment comment
20:44:06 <milek7> _dp_: I would blame nvidia
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21:19:35 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #9295: Music Audio is not normalized/leveled correctly https://git.io/JGvg7
21:21:48 <peter1138> Those Doom MIDI files should probably not be on there, copyrights etc...
21:22:13 <nielsm> the uploader claims they are GPL covered but it sounds wrong
21:26:25 <nielsm> it's an interesting effect to play 3 different GM synths simultaneously
21:32:08 <nielsm> starting with SC-55, then adding MU50, then adding NS5R, then removing SC-55, then removing, MU50, then re-adding SC-55, then re-adding MU50
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21:32:28 <dwfreed> nielsm: I meant the GPL comment
21:32:39 <nielsm> LISTEN TO MY COLLECTION
21:33:40 <dwfreed> why does it get louder at the 10 second mark?
21:33:48 <peter1138> The music was contained in the doom wads, they were never made GPLv2.
21:34:17 <nielsm> it gets louder because I add another sound source
21:34:37 <dwfreed> the existing sound got louder
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21:35:43 <dwfreed> not the overall volume of the music, but whatever sound source is playing at 10 seconds gets louder itself
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