IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2021-05-21
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00:26:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Milek7 commented on pull request #9017: Feature: play easier together with friends from behind home routers https://git.io/JsPiw
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13:43:11 <peter1138> Ooops. I did actually :/
13:43:37 <andythenorth> I never do, except by accident
13:51:47 <TrueBrain> frosch123: here is a nice one .. we call vanilla "master" in BaNaNaS :) Not sure why we ended up picking that name in the end, as wasn't our idea here to allow other patchpacks etc?
13:53:50 <TrueBrain> enum is called OFFICIAL_OPENTTD :)
13:54:04 <TrueBrain> guess we should just rename it to "vanilla" :) Might make more sense :D
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13:54:23 <TrueBrain> (it is used on the compatibility part of uploads)
13:55:02 <TrueBrain> makes no sense to call it "master" (or "main" for that matter); it is a version range to start with :D Lolz .. not sure what our idea was there :P
13:56:38 <Rubidium> hmm s/master/vanilla/ instead of s/master/main/? ;)
13:56:51 <TrueBrain> no, it is a completely different context
13:57:08 <TrueBrain> it marks that the upload is compatible with "master" from version 1.6.0 and above
13:57:22 <TrueBrain> but "master" in this context is weird .. I believe our idea was to allow uploads for specific patchpacks
13:57:32 <TrueBrain> so you could say: JGRPP >= 0.40.0 too
13:58:07 <TrueBrain> (which isn't implemented btw)
13:58:53 <TrueBrain> I believe back when we were working on this we were struggling a bit how to call us vs patchpacks
13:59:22 <TrueBrain> personally I think "vanilla" is fine
14:02:57 <TrueBrain> no, "upstream" is a relative term. For a fork of JGRPP, JGRPP is upstream. So that will only add confusion
14:06:31 <Xaroth> vanilla works, you could also use "openttd" since you're indicating the versioning used by openttd itself
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14:55:05 <peter1138> vanilla, official, standard, lessbuggy...
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16:17:17 <Artea> "so Thanks to everyone that modernize my childhood game(s)"
16:17:26 <Artea> I just said this on OpenRA discord
16:17:48 <Artea> since I was talking about C&C be apart of my childhood and how helped me with sequels of meningitis
16:17:54 <Artea> is no fucking exception
16:18:08 <Artea> TTD was my favorite game to pass all night awake
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16:18:32 <Artea> I used to pause TTD at midnight / 1 am just to go see Seinfeld on TV
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16:25:36 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c opened issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release https://git.io/JsMXH
16:27:43 <LordAro> i was talking to ^ on reddit
16:28:35 <LordAro> seems like official fedora packages are debug builds?
16:34:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
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16:40:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release https://git.io/JsMXH
16:40:52 <glx> hehe was about to comment about it being a debug build
16:41:35 <milek7> why though debug changes hotkeys..?
16:42:00 <LordAro> alternative question - why is it hardcoded
16:47:11 <milek7> eh, why drivers are weird mix of classes and static vars
16:52:22 <Rubidium> they used to be C "classes"
17:06:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rel1c commented on issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release https://git.io/JsMXH
17:07:22 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #9286: Fast forward is bound to SHIFT not TAB in latest Fedora release https://git.io/JsMXH
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17:34:42 <peter1138> Pasta and chunky bevels
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17:46:14 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, i picked the branch names in bananas: "jgrpp" and "master". but meh, "vanilla" is also fine
17:46:37 <peter1138> Hmm, music keyboard or computer keyboard.
17:46:42 <peter1138> Or, indeed, flight yoke.
17:46:59 <frosch123> i just wanted a nice slug, so i did not use "OpenTTD official" or "openttd_official" (latter is ugly :p )
17:51:08 <frosch123> hmm, i associate "vanilla" mostly with "no newgrf"
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18:57:16 <andythenorth> mostly strings though
18:57:29 <andythenorth> or if you get really unlucky and hit reload_newgrfs just as the file is rm-ed
19:01:07 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yeah, I agree, "vanilla" can be strange in this context. "official" ?
19:01:19 <TrueBrain> guess we are back to: there is no right word for this :D
19:02:12 <TrueBrain> owh, I like peter1138's suggestion of "standard
19:03:51 <michi_cc> If you don't want to stop offending somebody, call it mainstream :P
19:05:56 <TrueBrain> well, I guess if the human readable text is "OpenTTD official", the key name could be "official" just as well
19:06:08 <TrueBrain> I like sync'd key/value pairs :)
19:06:58 <TrueBrain> takes two deployments anyway to make this change :P
19:16:28 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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20:55:23 <glx> <LordAro> alternative question - why is it hardcoded <-- it's deep inside video drivers, probably not easy to not hardcode
20:56:06 <TrueBrain> honestly, shouldn't be hard to make it configurable .. it is in a weird place now anyway :P
20:56:24 <TrueBrain> I guess a more truth answer is: because when it was written configurable keys wasn't a thing
20:56:47 <glx> it sets a variable in the driver, and this variable is used only there
20:58:10 <TrueBrain> the main issue is most likely that this is the only (?) key we have that is only doing something during key-down
20:58:13 <TrueBrain> and stops when going key-up
20:58:17 <TrueBrain> normally we react only on key-up
20:58:35 <glx> yeah it's active only when down
20:59:10 <TrueBrain> but otherwise, it is just setting a single boolean to true, so that can be done from any place :P
20:59:32 <TrueBrain> just one of those: nobody cared and so it is where it is doing what it does :D
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21:35:45 <frosch123> TrueBrain: there is also scrolling with cursor
21:35:52 <frosch123> people want to map it to wasd
21:36:13 <frosch123> but yes, we do not support remapping keys which must be held down
21:44:00 <glx> haha there's a hotkey (not set by default) for FFWD toggle
21:44:23 <glx> but it's hard to use when autosave is enabled
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