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00:14:10 <spnda> Just noticed that with debug builds I get a EXTREME performance decrease when the mouse cursor is inside the window and hw acceleration is on... I remember this being a issue a while back
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02:00:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] perezdidac dismissed a review for pull request #8982: Feature: text filter for the industry directory https://git.io/JOkAH
02:00:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] perezdidac updated pull request #8982: Feature: text filter for the industry directory https://git.io/JOfI5
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04:10:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] empjustine commented on issue #8970: Ramsomware Protection preventing NewGRF download https://git.io/JYxe3
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06:35:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] WimLeflere commented on pull request #9024: Change: switch game playing in the menu based on selected landscape https://git.io/JOL9O
07:22:42 <TrueBrain> it is safe to say I do not understand std::string sufficiently to work with it :P
07:22:51 <TrueBrain> segfaults allllll over the place :D
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07:33:30 <TrueBrain> std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::_M_assign(..)
07:33:36 <TrueBrain> which is not something I would expect
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07:35:35 <peter1138> Is there a shorter way to refer to
07:35:44 <peter1138> std::chrono::steady_clock::time_point
07:36:27 <TrueBrain> the strategy I used for that is: use "auto" as much as you can :P
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07:43:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOLU2
07:46:53 <peter1138> Time to close that VS Code and open the other VS Code. *sadface*
07:50:37 <TrueBrain> the commented out line works fine
07:51:33 <nielsm> TrueBrain: std::string is not a POD type, and non-POD types allocated+initialized by any other means than operator new is undefined behavior
07:51:58 <nielsm> CallocT is the problem
07:52:27 <TrueBrain> so either I go down the rabbithole, or I change it in a char[]
07:53:20 <nielsm> we have lots of UB on that account in OpenTTD btw
07:53:56 <nielsm> the entire Pool<> and ZeroedMemoryAllocator<> stuff needs to be rewritten
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08:01:11 <TrueBrain> tnx nielsm , going char[] fixed it for now
08:01:19 <TrueBrain> C hitting C++ a lot in the network parts :D
08:16:18 <TrueBrain> Lol: /** Helper to make the code look somewhat nicer. */ typedef ClientNetworkGameSocketHandler MyClient;
08:16:23 <TrueBrain> not sure ... that is really helping :D
08:16:30 <TrueBrain> except for another needless layer of indirection
08:17:15 <TrueBrain> it pure brilliance :)
08:17:55 <TrueBrain> so I should be careful what I say now :D
08:18:35 <TrueBrain> ClientNetworkGameSocketHandler * ClientNetworkGameSocketHandler::my_client = nullptr;
08:18:43 <TrueBrain> should have read: MyClient *MyClient::my_client = nullptr
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08:37:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #9022: Fix #8874: show a warning when a NewGRF scan is requested multiple times https://git.io/JOLhn
08:41:12 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9021: Fix: Do not unlock railtypes when enabling wagons with GameScript https://git.io/JOLha
08:44:18 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9019: Automatically decide which translations are finished https://git.io/JOLhx
08:46:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #9021: Fix: Do not unlock railtypes when enabling wagons with GameScript https://git.io/JOLjG
08:53:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOLjH
08:57:36 * andythenorth wonders if trains get an accurate (height level) result for 80+ var 1E
08:57:44 <andythenorth> "The Z location (altitude)"
08:58:12 <andythenorth> diesel engine HP is altitude-dependent :P
09:00:44 <andythenorth> why am I wondering, I have newgrfengine.cpp open, what a moron
09:02:50 * andythenorth looks what triggers cb 36 gets
09:04:53 <peter1138> Oh god this jumper is too small :(
09:05:11 <peter1138> This peter1138 needs to cycle.
09:07:13 <andythenorth> GetPower() only seems to be called if consist changes
09:07:26 <andythenorth> but power triggers at minimum when railtype changes
09:07:30 <andythenorth> maybe I search the wrong thing
09:07:50 * andythenorth now doing silly lolz things
09:08:26 <andythenorth> maybe PowerChanged()
09:08:54 <TrueBrain> its snowing here .... in such way I cannot see the end of the street
09:11:38 <peter1138> LordAro, 7 hours til home-time-o'clock :/
09:12:05 <LordAro> peter1138: you've got a lunch break, don't you? :p
09:12:15 <peter1138> Don't really happen when working from home.
09:12:31 <LordAro> be the chance you want to see in the world
09:14:32 <peter1138> Can you play/develop OpenTTD on a peloton exercise bike? :p
09:15:08 <LordAro> try powering the computer :p
09:15:21 <andythenorth> peter1138 I have a laptop table on my exercise bike
09:15:24 <LordAro> you can hold 200W indefinitely, right?
09:15:27 <andythenorth> but ... I mostly watch youtube
09:15:42 <andythenorth> if I try and work, I forget to cycle
09:15:44 <peter1138> Unlikely atthe moment!
09:15:47 <andythenorth> "walks and chews gum"
09:20:06 <EER> Snow has already passed me over here in the west and now I've lowered the sunscreen because else I can't see my monitors, as we say "April does what it will"
09:20:35 <peter1138> LordAro, at least I'm not obsessing over food these days.
09:21:03 <peter1138> Salad for lunch though.
09:23:14 * andythenorth obsessing over pixel trains
09:23:22 <andythenorth> dunno how these compare as relative problems
09:23:42 <andythenorth> I'll go with your answer
09:24:11 <peter1138> Are you playing on my server? Someone's built a castle...
09:25:42 <andythenorth> I wasn't invited :(
09:25:59 <andythenorth> there's a castle grf now, did you install it?
09:25:59 <peter1138> Nobody was, it's just randoms, open to the public.
09:26:13 <andythenorth> I only use the new cool way of joining servers
09:26:20 <peter1138> Not using NewGRFs because too fiddly to set up on servers.
09:26:26 * andythenorth hasn't actually used the new cool way yet
09:29:54 <TrueBrain> I love how NetworkGameList is 1 item on the list :)
09:30:03 <TrueBrain> that hasn't confused me 5 times already
09:30:05 <TrueBrain> and I refuse to fix it :P
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09:36:41 <peter1138> Is a std:: structure used for the list, so some complicated C array?
09:38:18 <dih> have a question i am not able to wrap my head around
09:38:44 <dih> we are seeing a bunch of hex ip's prefixed with 0x7fbf00000000 - anybody with ideas?
09:39:53 <peter1138> What's a "hex ip" ?
09:40:21 <dih> this: remote_addr=0x7fbf6ab56610
09:40:57 <TrueBrain> I think we need a little bit more context .. you are seeing it where/when/how?
09:42:22 <dih> its in a core dump from a service that seg faults, we believe this ip is responsible for it. the ip is easily found, that is not the issue, I just do not understand the prefix part
09:42:32 <peter1138> That's a memory address, not an IP address.
09:42:44 <Xaroth> or an ipv6 representation
09:43:13 <LordAro> the "prefix" is just where that particular binary is loaded into memory
09:43:14 <dih> peter1138: 0x0000557c4b20abc6 in dtls_accept_client_connection (nbh=0x7fbf64029ee0, local_addr=0x7fbf6ab5659c, remote_addr=0x7fbf6ab56610, ssl=0x7fbf64021990, sock=0x557c4d399240, server=0x7fbf6ab56198)
09:43:24 <LordAro> still a memory address
09:43:38 <TrueBrain> I love how this turned into a random help channel :D
09:43:46 <LordAro> probably to a struct or char array
09:43:58 <LordAro> i can see where the confusion might come from though
09:44:44 <LordAro> you certainly can use integers to represent ip addresses
09:44:59 <peter1138> You shouldn't, but...
09:45:16 <LordAro> you might have a 128bit integer type!
09:46:38 <TrueBrain> hmm .. now for the hardest part .. changing how we query servers sufficiently that it works but doesn't require redoing the whole GUI :P
09:47:29 <dih> oh yay - what are you up to?
09:49:11 <Xaroth> he's breaking all the things
09:49:14 <Xaroth> and then fixing them again
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09:57:45 <peter1138> Urgh, I suppose I better write a changelog.
10:04:07 <peter1138> Oh no, cold coffee.
10:06:27 <andythenorth> so...terrain dependent cursor? :P
10:06:31 * andythenorth day of terrible things
10:16:18 <dih> you mean we will get vr support? :-D
10:57:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LubosKolouch commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
11:33:20 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
11:39:41 <TrueBrain> munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer
11:39:45 <TrueBrain> I am very good in breaking shit :D
11:43:46 <TrueBrain> everywhere in the code it is called TCPConnecter
11:43:55 <TrueBrain> is that correct english? I keep typing TCPConnector
11:44:10 <TrueBrain> (sorry, sometimes you need a sanity check)
11:46:52 <andythenorth> latin is connectere
11:50:10 <peter1138> Right how much cycling can I get done in a 30 minute lunch break?
11:50:35 <TrueBrain> the more you talk the less :D
11:50:45 <peter1138> Having lunch first, so that's chopped a bit out.
12:03:28 <andythenorth> goes it add acceptance limits to FIRS industries? :)
12:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought we all agreed that that was one of the worst features in PBI
12:06:49 <andythenorth> for coop style play yes
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12:07:55 <andythenorth> trying to discover a mechanic whereby some cargos have to be widely distributed
12:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> you could make a stockpile, but instead of rejecting acceptance, you just throw all excess away
12:08:12 <andythenorth> supplies have that, because there's a gameplay incentive
12:08:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so you cap out on production speed
12:08:36 <andythenorth> (supplies have the distribution not the throwing away, simultaneous replies)
12:09:01 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you want higher secondary production, you need to spread out over multiple industries
12:09:04 <andythenorth> particularly town / tertiary cargos I want to incentivise distributing widely
12:09:40 <Eddi|zuHause> 't think you can achieve that
12:10:06 <Eddi|zuHause> would have to be either a new game mechanic, or a gamescript
12:10:07 <Wolf01> Hmmm, somebody forgot to update the microsoft store version?
12:10:28 <andythenorth> I think this is a case
12:10:38 <TrueBrain> Wolf01: orudge said he send it to it
12:10:39 <andythenorth> where 'do it in GS' is actually the correct answer
12:12:04 <Eddi|zuHause> in terms of "game mechanics", it could be done in a major rework of the station rating
12:12:32 <TrueBrain> "We reviewed your submission and identified some changes that are needed before we can publish or update the app. "
12:12:38 <Wolf01> Ok, so the minimap doesn't change size with resolution
12:13:20 <LordAro> TrueBrain: ...does it have any more detail?
12:13:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean like "station rating gets higher, the more reachable destinations are served", however that by itself has a lot of problems
12:13:29 <TrueBrain> yeah, pressing buttons
12:14:06 <TrueBrain> it had some old URLs
12:15:37 <TrueBrain> cool, MSStore tracks how many crashes it has seen
12:16:41 <TrueBrain> about 150 people play via MSStore daily
12:17:19 <TrueBrain> "Monorails are missing, maglevs, and a whole lot of other content is not in the game. I am sure this is a scam because you say its offical? No. It is a scam because I have used the real Open TTD. "
12:17:40 <Wolf01> It's because all msstore apps have the tendency to crash, and I don't think it's even related to the app itself, so it's a statistic of store container reliability
12:17:41 <TrueBrain> I think someone forgot the concept of time :)
12:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i rather think they forgot the concept of changing railtypes
12:20:03 <TrueBrain> anyway, it is in review again ..
12:26:13 <peter1138> Hmm, if I reversed the deque, then I wouldn't need to use rbegin()/rend() iteration
12:33:26 <Wolf01> BTW for the very first time I set up a working truck 3 point route with refit on stations orders
12:51:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #8912: Ship can't decide whether or not it wants to go for maintenance https://git.io/JYBFD
12:51:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #8912: Ship can't decide whether or not it wants to go for maintenance https://git.io/JYBFD
12:54:46 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOLU2
12:56:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOtgT
13:00:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on issue #7971: Issues found starting/stopping trains due to conversion of (un)electrified rail https://git.io/JvsqI
13:00:40 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9017: WIP: allow multiplayer without port forwarding (using STUN) https://git.io/JOk7C
13:00:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LubosKolouch commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
13:01:24 <TrueBrain> FLHerne: if you have some time, I am curious to know if this new version broke your NAT poking again :) Sorry to bother you with it, but you were the only one with the stricter NAT I know of :P
13:02:03 <TrueBrain> I keep the TCP to the STUN server open a lot shorter, but hopefully still long enough .. but basically this will tell me if the NAT terminates the hole when it sees a FIN, or when it no longer sees activity
13:13:43 <FLHerne> builds take a little while on here
13:14:12 <TrueBrain> I thought I closed the STUN connection in the earlier version .. as I called CloseConnection
13:14:18 <TrueBrain> turns out, CloseConnection doesn't close the socket :P
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13:24:17 <FLHerne> I got one message "dbg: [net] [tcp/coordinator] Connection with Game Coordinator lost; reconnecting ..."
13:24:47 <TrueBrain> yeah, always shows that ..
13:24:51 <TrueBrain> I should hide the first time it does that :D
13:25:17 <TrueBrain> I do not really know when your NAT decides to close the hole
13:25:22 <TrueBrain> clearly it is not based on FIN :P
13:25:34 <TrueBrain> did you close the server just now?
13:26:02 <TrueBrain> seems so :) It is fine :)
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13:26:54 <TrueBrain> I killed his connection :P
13:28:28 * andythenorth puzzled how grf name is set by bananas
13:28:37 * andythenorth will enjoy investigating
13:28:56 <TrueBrain> version name first, if not set, global name next
13:29:59 <andythenorth> I want to set it permanently to "Iron Horse 2 (Trains)"
13:30:09 <TrueBrain> so set it in global, and remove any version name
13:30:16 <andythenorth> but on upload Bananas autofills "Iron Horse 2"
13:30:18 <TrueBrain> but UX wise nobody understands this :P
13:30:28 <TrueBrain> it "autofills" based on the global name :)
13:30:31 <andythenorth> I was looking action 14
13:30:39 <andythenorth> "wrong place andythenorth"
13:30:47 <TrueBrain> we planned to read out NewGRFs for all kind of metadata
13:30:52 <TrueBrain> but I think it only does the GRFID :P
13:31:50 <andythenorth> this is exactly 31 chars
13:31:51 <andythenorth> Road Hog (Buses, Trucks, Trams)
13:32:14 <andythenorth> a regular piece of valid feedback is that there is no way to know what a grf contains
13:32:24 <andythenorth> and mine are some of the worst, with quirky names
13:32:36 <TrueBrain> funny, we do extract name from NewGRF
13:32:40 <TrueBrain> not sure the code does anything with it after that
13:32:45 <andythenorth> but the character limit limits this hack ^^ :)
13:32:55 <andythenorth> this is like doing SEO :P
13:33:15 <TrueBrain> "tags" were meant to solve that issue
13:33:18 <TrueBrain> but .. that got us nowhere
13:33:25 <peter1138> TrueBrain, it's mad that STUN just works, but then again I suppose STUN is called STUN for a reason (to make it look like a legimate protocol instead of weird hack that happens to work)
13:33:45 <andythenorth> folksonomies rarely work
13:33:53 <andythenorth> everyone did it because flickr did
13:34:05 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I let you in on a secret ... I do not follow STUN :P
13:34:36 <TrueBrain> STUN has its own binary protocol, and I was way too lazy to implement that :D So I just implemented similar functionality with the OpenTTD protocol :D
13:34:44 <TrueBrain> "STUN is a concept" approach :P
13:35:09 <TrueBrain> I just don't fully understand why it works for FLHerne, honestly
13:35:14 <TrueBrain> most NATs I get why this works
13:35:22 <TrueBrain> but his .. it is weird
13:35:31 <TrueBrain> I mean, clearly the NAT listens to a FIN
13:35:36 <TrueBrain> and terminates the forward it has because of it
13:35:43 <TrueBrain> but not when another stream was setup too?
13:35:51 <TrueBrain> I don't really see how one would implement that
13:36:26 <TrueBrain> it works for most NATs because it is simply a lot of overhead to track streams indepth .. so I get that
13:36:34 <TrueBrain> but if you track streams .. why allow this? shrug
13:37:36 <andythenorth> renaming packages in bananas!
13:37:41 <andythenorth> this is so satisfying :)
13:37:41 <TrueBrain> anyway .. the whole STUN stuff is now invisible for any user .. he just says: make a connection, and it magically appears
13:37:56 <TrueBrain> (user == code user, not human user)
13:38:33 <andythenorth> I get unrealistic satisfaction from cleaning house on my bananas content
13:39:59 <andythenorth> I could tag all the old grfs as 'outdated'
13:40:05 <andythenorth> but not sure that's a sustainable convention
13:40:24 <andythenorth> it's quite common to see steam and reddit installing FIRS 2 for example, which is....ancient
13:42:00 <andythenorth> TrueBrain bananas content - are the names that the client sees cached?
13:42:16 <andythenorth> bananas web UI is updated, but client is showing old strings
13:42:38 <TrueBrain> BaNaNaS pushes an update every 5 minutes since last change
13:42:47 <TrueBrain> so if you keep updating for example, it will take infinite amount of time
13:42:59 <TrueBrain> after 5 minutes of no changes, it will be pushed through-out the system
13:43:16 <TrueBrain> your last update was at :27 of this hour :)
13:43:27 <TrueBrain> your last pushed update
13:44:28 <TrueBrain> (this is done so you can make multiple edits that you want online at once)
13:44:38 <TrueBrain> Steam for example asks you to press "Publish to public" button
13:44:48 <TrueBrain> but I am 100% 90% of the BaNaNaS users will forget that and complain :D
13:45:13 <andythenorth> yes it totally makes sense :)
13:45:35 <TrueBrain> UI wise we could show a timer, and a button: publish now
13:45:40 <TrueBrain> but what-ever ... nobody seems to care enough :P
13:45:50 * andythenorth will wait a bit long
13:46:15 * andythenorth wishes Rectal FIRS didn't exist
13:47:11 <andythenorth> oh I have broken bananas :o
13:47:22 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth
13:48:33 <andythenorth> not sure "Something failed, sorry for the inconvenience" on manager page
13:49:46 <TrueBrain> no sentry report, so what-ever :P
13:50:05 <andythenorth> stuff and things
13:50:13 <andythenorth> wow I never try and use bananas in client
13:50:22 * andythenorth looks at it from point of view of new user
13:50:33 <andythenorth> just tried a search for 'trains'
13:53:25 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] TrueBrain commented on pull request #20: Support developer authentication flow in bananas-cli https://git.io/JOti2
13:53:34 <TrueBrain> it also searches by tag
13:53:39 <TrueBrain> but in general, that UI needs to be done better
13:54:27 <andythenorth> one thing at a time I guess :)
13:54:41 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] TrueBrain commented on pull request #21: Fix: do not try to authenticate when requesting help (#4) https://git.io/JOti7
13:58:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] TrueBrain commented on pull request #22: Fix: Use urllib to combine urls (#5) https://git.io/JOtPM
14:03:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] TrueBrain commented on pull request #23: Combined PR to fix issues #3, #4, #5 and PR #20 https://git.io/JOtXB
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14:22:46 <EER> Thanks for the reviews TrueBrain, I'll take a look in-depth tonight :)
14:23:34 <TrueBrain> yeah no worries, sorry it took so long
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14:49:38 <LordAro> Curiouser and Curiouser
14:54:51 <snail_UES_> andythenorth: now restaurant cars eliminate running costs for all pax coaches? not just the first 4?
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15:02:36 <spnda> I need some help regarding implementing random triggers for my roadstops patch. I don't understand how action2random works internally or atleast inside of nmlc. Are there any docs on it?
15:03:21 <peter1138> Where do you need to start?
15:04:10 <spnda> Idk I'm clueless. Writing random_switch(FEAT_ROADSTOPS, SELF, switch_roadstop_random) { in my NML code did nothing ingame, so idk if I need to implement any specifics for it. Do I?
15:04:38 <Eddi|zuHause> do roadstops even have random bits?
15:05:01 <spnda> idk do I have to implement that?
15:05:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i would assume so
15:05:32 <peter1138> You have to tell where the random bits come from. There are some random bits included as part of the station.
15:06:00 <peter1138> There's also per-tile random bits for rail stations.
15:06:11 <peter1138> You'd need something similar for road stops
15:06:23 <peter1138> I don't know if you have implemented it as the same or a new NewGRF feature.
15:06:38 <spnda> it's from #7955, so yeah newgrf feature
15:08:12 <peter1138> In the newgrf resolver stuff, there are GetRandomBits() and also GetTriggers()
15:08:46 <peter1138> I assume for road stops you'd want to mostly copy what is done for stations.
15:09:29 <peter1138> The existing code is all geared to only work with rail stations, of course.
15:09:44 <peter1138> Some of it would be the same, like how the triggers are... er.. triggers.
15:19:15 <andythenorth> I drank a pint of water
15:19:20 <andythenorth> why am I still thirsty?
15:19:55 <snail_UES_> andythenorth: so it’s like an incentive for longer trains. Does the bonus apply to all coach types (local, luxury…) or just a few?
15:25:15 <andythenorth> luxury is deleted
15:25:23 <andythenorth> just applies to 1 coach type
15:25:40 <andythenorth> it's just a pointless micro-management mechanic
15:25:53 <andythenorth> it's like having a bade or a camo or an attachment in other games
15:43:21 <andythenorth> OpenTTD needs more Stickers
15:45:26 <Xaroth> It needs a Ping system, so you can point out stuff to people
15:46:21 <snail_UES_> right, I think it makes sense in a general purpose set such as the IH
15:46:42 <andythenorth> snail_UES_ I think there are better ways, but would need a newgrf spec extension
15:46:52 <spnda> gonna do a bios update for once...
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15:47:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm always scared of bios updates
15:52:22 <andythenorth> it is sunny here peter1138
15:52:29 <andythenorth> you should go out on my bike
15:57:05 <andythenorth> I went out yesterday
15:57:09 <andythenorth> that will do me until2022
15:57:37 <peter1138> I found a 2p so I've changed the CR2032 in my HRM.
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16:24:11 <spnda> btw regarding action2random triggers, is there a default one? When writing NML and leaving the triggers blank, does that just completely ignore triggers or use some default?
16:26:30 <frosch123> it will just read the randombits, and not change them
16:26:42 <spnda> do triggers change them?
16:27:14 <frosch123> "triggers" is short for "rerandomisation triggers"
16:27:19 <frosch123> it's their only purpose
16:28:01 <LordAro> frosch123: #7662 probably requires your input
16:28:04 <spnda> ah so there's one random_bits created once and when a trigger is triggered the random_bits get re-randomised?
16:31:01 <spnda> Ah yeah they work now, lovely
16:31:08 <spnda> Now just implement some triggers and it should be good
16:45:25 <spnda> lovely issue report lol, attached two images that are not on images.githubusercontent
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17:01:14 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] sauntheninja2 commented on issue #8252: Possible duplication of functionality in `screenshot.cpp` https://git.io/JJUWw
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17:06:18 <spnda> is there any convention on how #import's should be structured?
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17:07:27 <frosch123> stdafx comes first, safeguards comes last, the rest is chaos
17:08:06 <spnda> that sounds like a well thought out convention
17:08:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-api] erenes dismissed a review for pull request #87: Fix #86: Upload on docker failed https://git.io/JOtXy
17:09:00 <spnda> Also #9026 says that downgrading to 1.11 fixed the assertion. But doesn't the nightly include the potential fix for the assertion of #8967? lol
17:12:19 <frosch123> assertions are disabled in stable releases
17:12:34 <frosch123> so any stable release will "fix" any assertion
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17:14:44 <andythenorth> will I try and make a patch for newgrf vars? :)
17:14:56 <spnda> but they would then usually crash or lead to undefined behaviour, so it would still be noticable sure
17:16:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes commented on pull request #20: Support developer authentication flow in bananas-cli https://git.io/JOqON
17:29:55 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes commented on pull request #23: Combined PR to fix issues #3, #4, #5 and PR #20 https://git.io/JOqsP
17:33:09 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes commented on pull request #21: Fix: do not try to authenticate when requesting help (#4) https://git.io/JOqGt
17:51:22 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
18:11:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes updated pull request #21: Fix: do not try to authenticate when requesting help (#4) https://git.io/JYQzj
18:12:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes commented on pull request #21: Fix: do not try to authenticate when requesting help (#4) https://git.io/JOqCh
18:13:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/bananas-frontend-cli] erenes commented on pull request #21: Fix: do not try to authenticate when requesting help (#4) https://git.io/JOqWq
18:16:07 <TrueBrain> EER: do you know how Python decorators work?
18:16:39 <EER> I am guessing they work similarly to c# attributes, but no I have no experience with them :)
18:16:52 <TrueBrain> okay, in that case I will write some code first :D
18:17:00 <TrueBrain> but your last push is nice :)
18:17:01 <EER> These PRs are very much my first foray into Python
18:17:27 <TrueBrain> the drawback is that people can forget it and get confused .. but decorators can fix that again :D I will make some time tomorrow to draft what I mean :)
18:18:22 <EER> I am guessing "@cli.command()" is a decorator?
18:19:03 <TrueBrain> and in this case specifically the @task decorator
18:19:17 <EER> I guess that allows async/await?
18:19:51 <TrueBrain> its currently job is to bridge the sync from main to async from the command, yes
18:19:52 <EER> (this is just me mindmapping C# onto Python and may be grossly inappropriate :P)
18:21:38 <TrueBrain> or maybe a @pass_authentication, like @pass_session .. dunno, too long ago for me :P
18:21:46 <TrueBrain> have to check it out when I haven't been with my head in code all day :D
18:21:59 <Xaroth> EER: Decorators are close to what C# Attributes do, yes, but then more... function-y
18:22:27 <spnda> or annotations in other languages, which is the term I just use for anything similar like python's decorators
18:22:59 <Xaroth> it calls a function with the thing being decorated as its its argument, and whatever it returns is the thing after being decorated
18:23:17 <Xaroth> so you can replace a function with a wrapper that checks authentication, and calls the original function when the user is authenticated
18:23:45 <EER> ahhh, that's fairly straightforward, I'll look into it :)
18:24:36 <Xaroth> you can do all kinds of crazy crap with it... but simple is often better
18:25:54 <EER> I'm sure people come up with all kinds of insane things to do with them, but your simple description is pretty clear :D
18:26:08 <Xaroth> well, it's python, so yes
18:38:10 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 opened pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOq4O
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18:41:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOq4K
18:42:58 <TrueBrain> vague commit message are vague :P
18:43:37 <EER> Not sure if it's an improvement, definitely not for understandability I think ;-)
18:44:34 <TrueBrain> no, that is indeed not an improvement :) But I am not awake enough to really help you :P So this will come tomorrow :)
18:44:57 <EER> no worries, I'm also calling it a night programmingwise ;-)
18:45:08 <TrueBrain> and ugh @ 9027 .. I keep forgetting PODs are not initialized on class ctor .. it is so annoying in C++ :P
18:47:39 <TrueBrain> haha @ Cursor Sprites .. I wonder how many changes we need before we have that correct :D
18:48:06 <TrueBrain> turns out to be a real issue for us :D
18:48:19 <spnda> TrueBrain: Regarding cursor sprites, is it known that on master when rendering the cursor sprites the performance is absolute shit?
18:48:36 <TrueBrain> spnda: no clue why you ask me in particular :)
18:48:43 <TrueBrain> I have no clue if it is or isn't :)
18:48:44 <spnda> Cause you just mentioned it :)
18:50:25 <Rubidium> when I'm specific with commit messages they are too long, when they're not too long they not specific enough
18:51:10 <TrueBrain> haha, you are binary I see :D
18:52:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9013: Fix: getaddrinfo/UDP blocking locks up whole game https://git.io/JOqRm
18:53:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9022: Fix #8874: show a warning when a NewGRF scan is requested multiple times https://git.io/JOIro
18:53:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed issue #8874: It is possible to run the `rescannewgrf` command while NewGRFs are being scanned. https://git.io/JmrJo
18:53:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOq4O
18:54:28 <TrueBrain> the SDL one is funny, as we have a bug report about a very similar issue on Windows
18:54:37 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: mind checking if the same problem happens on the win32 driver?
18:55:13 <Rubidium> based on a quick code review it could be
18:55:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOqRX
18:55:39 <TrueBrain> I used win32 as template for SDL, so any bug in win32 is most often also in SDL .. the other way around is not always true :D
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18:57:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOqR9
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18:57:58 <Rubidium> how bad is it if I push something completely untested to that pull request?
18:57:59 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9025: Feature: Reveal chat history when chat message box is open. https://git.io/JOqRx
18:58:26 <TrueBrain> if it is also setting the buffer_locked, I think we will be fine :)
18:58:36 <TrueBrain> I can always test on win32 if need be :)
18:59:24 <TrueBrain> peter1138: I love the chat history PR :D We should play more often to find these small QoL things :D
18:59:34 <spnda> one thing I've been hating is how after like a few hours CMake decides that the cache is outdated and I need to recompile the whole project reee
18:59:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what? PLAY the game? blasphemy!
18:59:54 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 dismissed a review for pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOqRX
18:59:57 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] rubidium42 updated pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOq4O
19:00:00 <TrueBrain> spnda: btw, if there isn't a ticket about it, please make one, about cursor issues .. I am not really on top of that atm, so I honestly don't know if there is one
19:00:19 <spnda> yeah I'll open an issue, it's only in debug mode though
19:02:28 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: I will at least smoke-test the commit now :)
19:03:01 <TrueBrain> but it really looks like 1+1=2 :)
19:03:56 <TrueBrain> happy you looked at valgrind :D
19:04:13 <peter1138> Is this one of those "how the heck does it ever work" things?
19:04:28 <TrueBrain> more: random odds it works :P
19:05:25 <Rubidium> peter1138: sort of... how the heck are the values almost always 0. That does not sound like randomly initialised memory
19:05:40 <TrueBrain> it isn't "random" as such, is it?
19:06:06 <spnda> ah I always love myself a read access violation
19:06:13 <andythenorth> maybe we should play the game
19:06:16 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOqEG
19:06:27 <TrueBrain> we found plenty of issues to fix
19:06:36 <peter1138> andythenorth, your bike is rubbish, my legs hurt now.
19:06:51 <andythenorth> you should have taken the electric one
19:07:00 <andythenorth> TrueBrain ha that's like me every game :)
19:07:07 <andythenorth> except for 'get depressed'
19:07:22 <TrueBrain> I am slowly working towards fixing many of my annoyances with the game
19:07:27 <TrueBrain> prioritizing to what other people find annoying too :D
19:07:35 <andythenorth> I think actually it's one place where being mod dev is easier
19:07:35 <TrueBrain> (hence the STUN taking priority over UI rewrite :P)
19:07:45 <peter1138> 30 miles, 1875 calories. god that is unfit...
19:07:46 <andythenorth> being mod dev is FML to get anything changed in the spec
19:07:54 <andythenorth> but actual content...if I see broken...I can fix it
19:08:18 <TrueBrain> I couldn't figure out how to set autorenew
19:08:20 <TrueBrain> to find out it is global
19:08:27 <TrueBrain> I only wanted to autorenew my RVs
19:08:31 <andythenorth> sometimes ALL I see is broken, and that's a bit overwhelming
19:08:55 <andythenorth> I have a design for totally new autoreplace + autorenew + train templates
19:09:01 <andythenorth> only I haven't drawn it :P
19:09:15 <andythenorth> I tried the JGRPP template patch which is...interesting
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19:10:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain closed pull request #9001: Fix: If a thread is blocking on UDP send, it can block the entire main loop https://git.io/JOUPv
19:10:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9013: Fix: getaddrinfo/UDP blocking locks up whole game https://git.io/JOku9
19:13:04 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8986: Fix: Missing 'Town names:' colon in map gen GUI https://git.io/JOqus
19:14:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain merged pull request #9027: Fix: decisions being made on uninitialised memory in the SDL video driver https://git.io/JOq4O
19:14:07 <peter1138> Hmm, with #7441 there's enough per-group flags that could be used to prevent/allow autorenew (one of the existing flags is to prevent autoreplace) but that doesn't help for vehicle types.
19:14:13 <TrueBrain> nice work Rubidium :D Really nice :)
19:17:26 <andythenorth> frosch(?) already proposed that autorenew could go
19:17:33 <andythenorth> and we could just allow replace-to-same-type
19:17:50 <andythenorth> it's common source of confusion on reddit etc
19:18:40 <andythenorth> I have turned into MB
19:18:47 <andythenorth> was gonna happen one day
19:19:44 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: that works fine for me too, as that was the first place I was looking for this
19:19:48 <peter1138> replace-to-same-type does require setting that up each time.
19:19:51 <TrueBrain> but it being a global setting, was not one I guessed
19:20:02 <peter1138> But maybe that's okay.
19:20:05 <frosch123> andythenorth: not everything is me :p
19:20:24 <andythenorth> "I have face blindness sometimes"
19:20:30 <TrueBrain> and I wrote some frustration in #9029
19:20:35 <TrueBrain> by far, that was my biggest frustration yesterday
19:21:24 <TrueBrain> sorry, not helping with the issue-counter :)
19:21:40 <andythenorth> playing will do that :)
19:21:47 <frosch123> yes, the error popup tries to be not in the way
19:21:52 <andythenorth> it _is_ pretty good game though
19:22:01 <TrueBrain> yeah ... that is one functionality it doesn't need frosch123 :P
19:22:04 <frosch123> i think in some cases we draw a red tile selection in addition
19:22:25 <TrueBrain> "Requirements for an error box ... 1) not being in the way" :D
19:22:27 <TrueBrain> sorry, I am trolling :)
19:22:34 <_dp_> considering most of those errors are kinda useless it's not that bad of a functionality :p
19:22:47 <frosch123> TrueBrain: an error box that is blocking where you want to click is way more annoying
19:22:57 <TrueBrain> that is why I also didn't write: below the cursor :D
19:23:12 <TrueBrain> but sometimes it felt like it tried max-distance :)
19:23:12 <peter1138> Place it where your eyes are looking.
19:23:27 <TrueBrain> anyway, rails show red when they cannot be placed
19:23:29 <peter1138> What about the story book global vs company window?
19:23:29 <frosch123> but since you like challenges: how about you make the error window half-transparent, and make it pass-through for cliking?
19:23:37 <TrueBrain> one of these things I want to dive into one day :)
19:23:47 <TrueBrain> frosch123: not against trying that :)
19:23:52 <TrueBrain> peter1138: make a ticket!
19:24:01 <TrueBrain> as that was rather annoying ...
19:24:03 <peter1138> TrueBrain, I think it was your gripe ;)
19:24:28 <TrueBrain> I already made 2 issues ... don't want to add a third :P
19:24:51 <frosch123> the global/company goal thingie was a dp PR
19:25:05 <frosch123> oh, it's story book now, not goals
19:26:47 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yeah, I was confused at first too :)
19:28:14 <TrueBrain> peter1138: did I bitch about anything else?
19:28:37 <_dp_> doesn't company story book contain all the global pages anyway?
19:34:15 <_dp_> btw, I find company story books kinda useless
19:34:25 <_dp_> way too convoluted ui for anything practical
19:34:26 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain opened issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
19:34:41 <TrueBrain> I think both me and LordAro felt for ^^ :)
19:34:51 <TrueBrain> a route that was ~100k turned into 500+k :D
19:34:55 <spnda> I find it interesting that me trying to implement triggers for roadstops has caused exceptions being thrown from NPF functions
19:35:22 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: as I mentioned, I shouldn't be playing this game :P
19:35:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
19:36:09 <peter1138> spnda, that's... interesting and probably wrong :-)
19:36:13 <andythenorth> I disagree TrueBrain :P
19:36:14 <TrueBrain> having ships draw the route they plan to take, like trains now do, would also help :)
19:37:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] 2TallTyler commented on pull request #8986: Fix: Missing 'Town names:' colon in map gen GUI https://git.io/JOq2C
19:37:46 <andythenorth> TrueBrain also docks
19:37:59 <andythenorth> 'but flat docks were even in TTDP' or something
19:38:27 <andythenorth> 9031 is an ogfx issue, not openttd
19:38:30 <andythenorth> sorry to be an ass
19:38:39 <TrueBrain> I wrote that as possibility, so you are not an ass :P
19:38:49 <TrueBrain> I never remember what is in which part
19:38:57 <andythenorth> they just don't have many rocks
19:38:58 <TrueBrain> I could have looked it up, I guess
19:39:09 <andythenorth> they could also have the water drawn to indicate flow, like the beach waves
19:39:21 <TrueBrain> locks do this perfectly fine
19:39:32 <TrueBrain> no clue why rivers became white-noise :)
19:39:37 <Rubidium> andythenorth: though the openttd graphics are not much better
19:39:43 <spnda> I am baffled by this stacktrace. Ship::Tick went to NPFShipChooseTrack went to RoadVehicle::IsBus. I have a feeling this is unrelated to my changes.... but I am not sure
19:40:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
19:40:15 <andythenorth> related: locks are hideous for other reasons
19:40:19 <andythenorth> why they are 3 tiles?
19:40:41 <andythenorth> tends to require demolishing most of the river to place them
19:41:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
19:41:17 <TrueBrain> tnx for the screenie nielsm :)
19:41:31 <andythenorth> I would try to improve the river rapids sprites if other improvements were being made
19:41:36 <nielsm> andythenorth: locks are 3 tiles so it doesn't look terrible when a large ship is using them
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19:41:40 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: indeed, I basically rebuild the river to make it happen :P
19:41:48 <andythenorth> nielsm unlike say...corners? :)
19:41:58 <spnda> OH I WAS CAUSING THE ISSUE
19:42:04 <andythenorth> ships pass through each, but let's have unbuildable locks :D
19:42:09 <andythenorth> sorry, being an ass again
19:42:15 <spnda> I was doing if (front->type = VEH_ROAD)....................... so all vehicles were being checked as roadvehicles
19:42:19 <TrueBrain> but okay, at least locks are clear in how they work and why
19:42:39 <TrueBrain> placing down docks was also interesting .. I was thinking we could highlight possible tiles around the cursor
19:42:43 <TrueBrain> to help out what are valid locations
19:42:58 <TrueBrain> as now you are just trying like a mad-man around river boarders :P
19:43:05 <frosch123> TrueBrain: ctrl+x opens the transparency toolbar, using the flat buttons below the icons, you can set trees to completely invisible, instead of just transparent
19:43:08 <TrueBrain> boarders? borders :D
19:43:20 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I know, but I mostly like trees :)
19:43:35 <TrueBrain> just not when building rivers :P
19:44:31 <frosch123> ah, so you wanted to point out, that rivers are hard to see behind trees :) i thought you just wanted to make it harder for people to guess ogfx/original graphics by covering the whole screenshots with transparent trees :p
19:44:32 <Rubidium> andythenorth: why the locks are 3 tiles, you probably have to ask Oskar (2004 is calling)
19:44:58 <TrueBrain> frosch123: haha, yes, I wanted to show that it is near impossible to spot rivers going uphill, especially that one type :)
19:45:59 <TrueBrain> it really feels like a big FU, but I didn't want to write that in the ticket :P
19:46:08 <TrueBrain> I had to take out max-loan to finish the route :P
19:46:48 <glx> <TrueBrain> I think both me and LordAro felt for ^^ :) <-- me too (rivers on slopes)
19:46:55 <andythenorth> TrueBrain try placing industries some time :P
19:46:59 <TrueBrain> also one of these things: remove an airport that is joined with another station, but not next to it (anymore)
19:47:01 <TrueBrain> place the airport back
19:47:04 <TrueBrain> it is now a new airport
19:47:10 <TrueBrain> now that is not fucking your schedule over at all!
19:47:18 <TrueBrain> want to undo it? Costs you a lot of cash :D
19:47:41 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: yeah .. not working after the fact :P
19:47:56 <TrueBrain> can you somehow merge stations after-the-fact?
19:48:36 <frosch123> no, you have to remove them first again
19:49:01 <TrueBrain> and hope the town still allows you after that :D
19:49:05 <andythenorth> I want to just livestream 'truebrain plays the game'
19:49:11 <andythenorth> then I want to do it again with grfs
19:49:18 <frosch123> TrueBrain: you can team up with cirdan :p they had a "overbuild airports" ptch
19:49:23 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: it is really frustrating .. but okay, as said, slowly working towards it :)
19:49:45 <TrueBrain> similar that I want to redirect all my planes to another airport
19:49:52 <TrueBrain> just ... everyone with this order
19:50:07 <TrueBrain> but the order window really exploded since I last played it
19:50:17 <frosch123> you can close airports
19:50:17 <TrueBrain> I couldn't drag some orders as it kept changing some silly detail I didn't care about
19:50:25 <frosch123> then aircraft will skip that order
19:50:25 <TrueBrain> (far-end, middle, near-end or what-ever)
19:50:30 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yeah .. not what I want :)
19:50:37 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc opened pull request #9032: Fix #9028: [OpenGL] Clear cursor cache on destroying the OpenGL backend. https://git.io/JOqa7
19:50:38 <TrueBrain> I want to build a new bigger airport, and direct everyone there
19:50:51 <frosch123> so you want the factorio method? :p
19:51:30 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #9032: Fix #9028: [OpenGL] Clear cursor cache on destroying the OpenGL backend. https://git.io/JOqap
19:51:41 <TrueBrain> frosch123: does factorio has something like that?
19:51:48 <TrueBrain> well, I guess with building belts?
19:52:05 <frosch123> in factorio train stations are identified by their name
19:52:17 <TrueBrain> owh, they have trains too ofc
19:52:23 <frosch123> you can rename them: give two statiosn the same name, and trains will consider both their target
19:52:28 <TrueBrain> well, their way of doing is completely different, but it is a nice way of doing it, yes :)
19:52:47 <frosch123> rename a station, and all orders to the old one will become unreachable
19:52:52 <frosch123> until you build a new station with the old name
19:53:05 <TrueBrain> that would work too, honestly
19:53:13 <TrueBrain> I do not think that works for OpenTTD, right?
19:53:16 <TrueBrain> names are not relevant, IDs are?
19:53:22 <frosch123> no, we use unique ids for stations :)
19:53:30 <frosch123> you can rename things without breaking stuff
19:53:32 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LubosKolouch commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
19:53:48 <TrueBrain> at least, that makes it easier already
19:53:50 <_dp_> names are relevant but for entirely different reason
19:54:05 <TrueBrain> but yeah, what I said .. the order window booommeeddddddddd since I last played
19:54:10 <TrueBrain> and not for the better :)
19:54:13 <frosch123> TrueBrain: nah, 8911 is just: learn hotkeys and set your defaults
19:54:43 <frosch123> players need to learn the game anyway. you cannot adjust the gui to suit everyone
19:55:00 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc updated pull request #9032: Fix #9028: [OpenGL] Clear cursor cache on destroying the OpenGL backend. https://git.io/JOqa7
19:55:09 <frosch123> same for your distant join case btw. i have no idea how you managed to build the airport in the first place.
19:55:09 <TrueBrain> the other really annoying thing are RVs: what ever you do, after a while, they are all driving close together
19:55:16 <TrueBrain> serving all stations in a short time to never server them for months
19:55:30 <frosch123> after you distant-jointed N stations, you will just press ctrl without thinking
19:55:36 <andythenorth> pls, add more order types
19:55:37 <glx> <TrueBrain> just not when building rivers :P <-- IIRC X should toggle transparency
19:55:37 <EER> It might just be the 25 years of experience speaking, but I find the gui very intuitive :')
19:55:39 <TrueBrain> frosch123: clearly that is not the case :D
19:56:00 <andythenorth> I often forget :)
19:56:07 <TrueBrain> but this is overall the main problem: OpenTTD works if you have played for hours and hours. Not because the UI is good, but because you got used to all the weirdness :)
19:56:09 <frosch123> TrueBrain: yes, that is the auto-separation patch
19:56:12 <andythenorth> or I accidentally join them because corners touch
19:56:16 <glx> ctrl+x to open the menu (and define some states) and x to toggle
19:56:28 <TrueBrain> frosch123: yeah, I know. But that is a solution :) I just mention it was frustrating to deal with the problem :P
19:56:36 <glx> but I need to check how it works
19:56:43 <frosch123> but I dislike "the game plays itself" features like cdist and auto-separation :p i prefer the timetable "load for at least 5 days" method
19:56:51 <andythenorth> 'say what you see' is a top method for UI design
19:56:57 <TrueBrain> main issue was breakdowns
19:57:02 <TrueBrain> they screw up everything you planned :P
19:57:06 <glx> probably something with ctrl click on the transparency window
19:57:08 <TrueBrain> and overtaking is fun: just when the vehicle has overtaken another
19:57:12 <TrueBrain> it forces the other to break for a bit
19:57:33 <TrueBrain> it truly is road-rage
19:57:40 <frosch123> TrueBrain: it also happens without breakdowns. first vehicle arrives, takes long to load everything. second vehicle arrives, station is empty, it continues immediately
19:58:03 <frosch123> so, once RV are stuck together, any loading won't separate them anymore
19:58:08 <glx> road pathfinding makes suboptimal decisions by looking only at current destination
19:59:09 <andythenorth> they can be separated with a single rate limiting roadstop
19:59:16 <andythenorth> and a wait n days order like frosch said
19:59:24 <TrueBrain> ah, found wha tis annoying about dragging orders: you can only drag an order if you do NOT have it selected :) That explains :D
19:59:34 <andythenorth> but I mentioned this a few times on discord, and reaction was 'wtf? fuck that use JGR'
19:59:40 <glx> with stations placed in a kind of loop in town you end up with RV doing 8's around houses between 2 stations when there's a straight line
20:02:16 <TrueBrain> I wonder if I can record the road rage, that would be fun :)
20:03:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LubosKolouch commented on issue #8101: (Streetcar) vehicles do not use all open stations/gates https://git.io/JfmVJ
20:03:37 <glx> ctrl clicking a running train to share orders can be a pain as you need to hit the engine
20:03:52 <TrueBrain> try with fast planes :D
20:03:55 <TrueBrain> follow vehicle is the trick there
20:04:00 <frosch123> TrueBrain: hmm, didn't i say on the first stream: it's insulting that factorio has a better train order gui? or something?
20:04:15 <glx> you need to click on it to be able to follow it ;)
20:05:02 <TrueBrain> frosch123: it is not far from the truth, honestly :)
20:05:03 <frosch123> haha, in singleplayer, i just pause :p
20:05:19 <TrueBrain> but, OpenTTD just has a very "nostalgic" way of doing things :)
20:05:40 <nielsm> open station window, open vehicles using station list, ctrl-click vehicle in list
20:06:10 <andythenorth> FLHerne try it in ffwd :)
20:06:15 <_dp_> sooo many people bamboozled by default debug build
20:06:19 <TrueBrain> holy crap, overtaken is more broken then I thought :)
20:06:20 <andythenorth> I have been testing cargo aging on ffwd for about 4 days
20:06:28 <andythenorth> TrueBrain step away...
20:06:34 <TrueBrain> no, I have a movie! :D
20:06:42 <nielsm> and also my week off is over, back to work tomorrow
20:07:03 <andythenorth> I was going to achieve so much
20:07:08 <andythenorth> I achieved...not deleting Iron Horse
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20:09:48 <_dp_> FLHerne, one just popped in on my server and asked
20:09:56 <_dp_> but I've seen some in discord as well
20:10:12 <TrueBrain> I should crop that movie
20:10:25 <spnda> interesting issue title, "RV road rage"
20:10:29 <FLHerne> People try nightlies and wonder why they're slower?
20:10:40 <_dp_> ppl copy lines from docs, get debug build and wonder why it sucks
20:12:32 <glx> feel free to add info to the docs :)
20:12:35 <TrueBrain> updated road rage :)
20:12:49 <TrueBrain> spnda: there is no better way to describe it honestly :)
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20:17:50 <TrueBrain> an alternative solution for #9033 is to add "FUCK YOU" as sound-bit to the game, to play after overtaking
20:18:03 <TrueBrain> I am perfectly fine with that solution too :D
20:18:31 <spnda> the transmitter is a default object, yes?
20:18:36 <frosch123> 9033 looks quite realistic to me
20:18:52 <TrueBrain> look at the frame around 10 seconds btw
20:18:57 <TrueBrain> the mail truck is inside the bus :P
20:18:58 <glx> and it's worse with highways, 2 lanes but handled like normal road
20:19:42 <TrueBrain> frosch123: exactly why I wrote the ticket like this; it is very realistic :)
20:21:13 <frosch123> pretty sure the "exceed max speed" is a feature. so overtaking actually finishes somewhen
20:21:30 <TrueBrain> so .. the slower vehicle exceeds max speed to finish overtaking?
20:21:55 <TrueBrain> that makes no sense :D Sorry :)
20:22:16 <TrueBrain> but yeah, coding wise I am sure there is a good reason for this weird behaviour :)
20:22:34 <spnda> id love to see a 51km/h bus overtake a 50km/h bus lol
20:22:35 <TrueBrain> the breaking is most likely a counter of some sorts kicking in
20:24:20 <frosch123> hmm, i can only find a bonus for acceleration
20:24:56 <TrueBrain> so, if anyone asks again why I don't play, this is why :P
20:25:01 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
20:26:56 <peter1138> spnda, the standard way to prevent that issue is to reverse the test... if (VEH_ROAD == front->type) -- it won't compile if you accidentally use a single =
20:27:04 <peter1138> But of course, we don't do that.
20:27:20 <TrueBrain> don't compilers warn about this shit nowedays anyway?
20:27:25 <spnda> huh I didn't know of that lol, thanks
20:27:30 <spnda> nope it did not warn me
20:27:48 <TrueBrain> sorry: sane compilers? :D
20:28:11 <spnda> but yeah VEH_ROAD couldn't be assigned so that totally makes sense, yeah
20:28:26 <TrueBrain> "<source>:3:11: warning: suggest parentheses around assignment used as truth value [-Wparentheses]"
20:28:43 <TrueBrain> GCC 10.3 with -Wall
20:28:49 <TrueBrain> not the most descriptive :)
20:29:09 <spnda> eh idk, just did cmake --build . and didn't see anything so I just ran it
20:29:27 <TrueBrain> I am not blaming you :)
20:30:17 <frosch123> TrueBrain: msvc syntax warnings are on the level of gcc 2.9.5
20:30:37 <spnda> gcc 2? wouldnt that be like 1990?
20:30:43 <peter1138> < spnda> id love to see a 51km/h bus overtake a 50km/h bus lol < never been stuck behind two trucks overtaking?
20:31:02 <TrueBrain> not on a 2-way street, no peter1138 , I haven't :)
20:31:16 <frosch123> spnda: no, 1999-2001
20:31:51 <spnda> peter1138: As I have the privilege of living in germany, nope, can 99% just overtake them going at >150km/h
20:32:08 <frosch123> spnda: 2.95 is the "reunion" gcc, after a fork outlived the original version
20:32:23 <andythenorth> navigable river rapids?
20:32:31 <peter1138> egcs was all the rage, I remember that...
20:34:07 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on issue #9031: Rivers going uphill are nearly impossible to distinguish from flat river https://git.io/JOq2J
20:34:59 <glx> and yes original is better but could be improved too
20:35:31 <andythenorth> navigable rapids
20:35:32 <glx> oh and that's with invisible trees
20:35:42 <andythenorth> ships can go uphill anyway
20:35:48 <glx> imagine with trees, or transparent ones
20:35:56 <andythenorth> wonder if I could draw them differently
20:36:05 <andythenorth> like a narrowing section, and an actual waterfall
20:36:12 <andythenorth> would look stupid in a long run of them
20:36:18 <peter1138> of course "original" is not actually original, so we can actually fix it...
20:36:43 <peter1138> Some rapids around the rocks would be good.
20:37:13 <TrueBrain> well, a waterfall of some sorts is not a terrible idea
20:37:20 <TrueBrain> initially, I didn't realise ships couldn't go uphill
20:37:30 <TrueBrain> as the sprite itself doesn't really look impossible for some
20:37:46 <TrueBrain> but more rocks etc works too
20:37:46 <Wolf01> I would like both navigable rivers (without locks, maybe 2 tile wide) and rapids
20:37:54 <peter1138> Waterfall would actually help emphasize that it's impassible, yeah.
20:38:14 <Wolf01> Waterfalls are a really good idea
20:38:59 <TrueBrain> with a hidden cave behind it?! :D
20:39:02 <frosch123> andythenorth: i think you drew the rivers in openttd.grf, right?
20:39:12 <frosch123> someone to blame \o/
20:39:13 <spnda> ugh I just can't get random_bits to get updated on triggers.... sad
20:39:21 <TrueBrain> frosch123: OOHOHHHH, what a terrible thing to say :D
20:39:23 <TrueBrain> but really funny :P
20:39:38 <andythenorth> I didn't draw the rocks
20:39:49 <andythenorth> I drew the land borders / river banks for all terrains
20:40:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #9032: Fix #9028: [OpenGL] Clear cursor cache on destroying the OpenGL backend. https://git.io/JOq6n
20:40:04 <andythenorth> the original was some water.grf or something
20:40:07 <TrueBrain> sorry michi_cc , got distracted ... tnx for helping my OCD :)
20:40:37 <spnda> I think it is very interesting that my cursor issue from yesterday has just decided to not happen...
20:40:43 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #9032: Fix #9028: [OpenGL] Clear cursor cache on destroying the OpenGL backend. https://git.io/JOqa7
20:41:00 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: is valgrind clean now? :D
20:41:23 <FLHerne> spnda: Have you updated since yesterday? there were fixes
20:41:26 <spnda> I was at f0f2073 (v-sync option) and since then it got fixed...
20:41:36 <glx> btw playing yesterday made me find at least 2 'errors' in french translation (mainly missing {BLACK})
20:41:58 <TrueBrain> glx: run a check for all languages if colours are correct?
20:42:44 <FLHerne> Oh, hm, that's before vsync
20:42:55 <glx> well one had the tag, but after the actual text, the other simply missed the tag
20:43:04 <spnda> yeah might've actually been before v-sync, don't exactly remember
20:43:10 <spnda> nevertheless its fixed and that's good :)
20:44:13 <glx> strgen could check that I guess
20:45:15 <glx> IIRC it checks only commands for parameters
20:45:48 <frosch123> better let eints check it :p
20:45:54 <frosch123> or you get broken nightlies
20:46:58 <TrueBrain> still, eints should do it :D
20:47:06 <TrueBrain> translators would never see it otherwise
20:47:09 <TrueBrain> and we get to fix the mess :P
20:47:27 <glx> but if eints can do it it's better yes
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20:47:58 <peter1138> Damn, I was hoping the cursor fix would be the cause of enabling v-sync tanking game-loop performance. But it's not.
20:48:13 <peter1138> (cause of/solution for)
20:48:21 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: yeah, it seems solved
20:48:44 <TrueBrain> now the washers could finish their wash before the house was teared down :D
20:48:50 <TrueBrain> that sentence .. I was I could give awards :)
20:49:20 <glx> best description of the action
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20:56:03 <glx> oh and now I think I could solve the weird RV pathfinding with one way road (not sure the town would have allowed it though)
20:57:07 <andythenorth> if we had console macros
20:57:18 <andythenorth> I would macro toggling 'vehicles expire' and 'reload_newgrfs'
20:57:22 <andythenorth> for testing reasons
20:57:33 <andythenorth> or just developer tools give me a button for that :P
20:57:45 <frosch123> spnda: you are mixing random bits from the Station with random bits from the Tile
20:58:40 <glx> andythenorth: you want a way to run a console script triggered by your makefile ;)
20:59:30 <spnda> frosch123: Would that really matter though? Random bits are random bits or is there actually a structure to them
20:59:47 <andythenorth> glx not for toggling 'expire' but for reload_newgrfs yes :P
21:00:07 <frosch123> spnda: that's something you should know :p
21:00:35 <frosch123> but most features have separate bits for tiles and for the whole entitiy
21:00:58 <frosch123> for railstations, it's some bits for the whole station, and some bits for the tile, all masked into one integer
21:01:36 <frosch123> you use Station::random_bits, which are the random bits for the whole railstation
21:01:48 <frosch123> SetStationTileRandomBits are the bits for a single tile
21:01:53 <frosch123> those are very different things
21:02:50 <spnda> but effectively SetStationTileRandomBits can be omitted in this case I guess
21:03:00 <spnda> because right now I don't want to care about each tile, but each station as a whole
21:03:15 <spnda> so setting st->random_bits should be sufficient, no?
21:03:31 <spnda> GetRandomBits also just returns thi->st->random_bits
21:03:54 <frosch123> well, you do a >> 16 for the reseet
21:04:06 <frosch123> you need to do the same shift in GetRandomBits and in the reseed
21:04:09 <Eddi|zuHause> spnda: my opinion, if you're going to mess with road stations, you should be prepared that they might be extended to multi-tile (like airports)
21:04:13 <frosch123> but again, no idea what your goal is
21:04:39 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't have to implement that, but keep that path open
21:05:11 <spnda> And yes, that was my idea
21:06:22 <spnda> But right now having a station wide implementation is a good start and then start with the rest
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21:29:02 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Xaroth opened pull request #9034: Don't complain that you cannot remove rail/road if it doesn't exist. https://git.io/JOq1s
21:30:50 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Xaroth updated pull request #9034: Don't complain that you cannot remove rail/road if it doesn't exist. https://git.io/JOq1s
21:35:22 <andythenorth> how is the issue count doing? :P
21:35:44 <didac> hey all, I am curious which IRC client do you all use for Windows, if any?
21:35:51 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] ldpl commented on pull request #9021: Fix: Do not unlock railtypes when enabling wagons with GameScript https://git.io/JOq19
21:37:39 <FLHerne> didac: I think Hexchat is the goto one
21:37:41 <TrueBrain> I use Element via Matrix via IRC bridge :)
21:38:12 <FLHerne> (I use Konversation, which is great but lacks a Windows maintainer)
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21:50:13 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #9034: Don't complain that you cannot remove rail/road if it doesn't exist. https://git.io/JOqDJ
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22:01:08 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain updated pull request #9017: WIP: allow multiplayer without port forwarding (using STUN) https://git.io/JOk7C
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22:02:53 <TrueBrain> okay, another step in the right direction
22:02:59 <TrueBrain> rewrote the server .. lots more stable code now :D
22:03:09 <TrueBrain> detects disconnects a lot better, so servers deregister properly :P
22:03:27 <TrueBrain> tomorrow we fiddle with some more GUI stuff :)
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