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00:00:14 <TrueBrain> can't believe you fixed it :P
00:00:44 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain approved pull request #8368: Fix: Prevent infinite recursion in commit checker https://git.io/JI2WU
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00:01:57 <glx> (the test was comparing to 0 instead of 256 and adding dumb commits to trigger it
00:04:11 <TrueBrain> hmm, I expected Stadia would have crashed by now, but shocking, the game starts :o
00:04:53 <milek7> looking at useful things in my emscripten pr
00:05:33 <milek7> I don't know whether other platforms require it, but missing locking unconditionally is technically wrong
00:05:57 <TrueBrain> I noticed you only did it for the SDL1, so I assumed it was fixed for SDL2?
00:06:44 <TrueBrain> I honestly don't know enough about SDL to judge that commit .. maybe PR it, and we can poke .. who wrote SDL2? :D
00:08:49 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 merged pull request #8368: Fix: Prevent infinite recursion in commit checker https://git.io/JI2Ch
00:10:30 <milek7> honestly I don't remember how it is in sdl2
00:14:19 <milek7> I guess building 1.10.3 with cmake is a lot of work?
00:18:58 <TrueBrain> we called it 1.11, yes :)
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07:21:56 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8340: Draft: Feature: Create Universal (x86_64 + Apple Silicon) build on macOS https://git.io/JIamV
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09:01:29 <andythenorth> ha triggered an assert with a heightmap
09:26:52 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8340: Draft: Feature: Create Universal (x86_64 + Apple Silicon) build on macOS https://git.io/JIa06
09:35:23 <TrueBrain> orudge: you don't have to ^^, but at some point someone does, I think :) But we can do it when we merge it in the release pipeline honestly
09:35:35 <TrueBrain> Mac OS always have been the slowest targets :P
09:36:52 <TrueBrain> and I cannot believe vcpkg is useful on anything not Windows .. they did a nice job honestly :)
09:37:51 * andythenorth must not be distracted, work work work to do
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10:02:21 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] orudge commented on pull request #8340: Draft: Feature: Create Universal (x86_64 + Apple Silicon) build on macOS https://git.io/JIawf
10:03:17 <orudge> TrueBrain: I've written a cross-platform library at work and make use of vcpkg for dependency building for that on Windows, macOS and Linux, x86/x86_64 and arm64, it does work rather well.
10:03:22 <orudge> I wonder if I can port it to OS/2 next :D
10:04:19 <TrueBrain> this is me leaving the room :P
10:04:43 <orudge> OpenTTD with cmake does still build on OS/2 by the way
10:04:48 <orudge> I maybe had to make a couple of tweaks
10:04:59 <orudge> but when I tried to run it, it was crashing, but I think that's an SDL bug
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10:19:33 <TrueBrain> and you didn't update AUTHORS in your other PRs :P
10:21:06 <TrueBrain> what I still do not like about GitHub, that every time you push a commit with "Fixes" in it, even if it is in a now-dead-branch, it shows that commit in the issue
10:21:17 <TrueBrain> so the issue can be full of spam if you forced-push a few times
10:21:28 <TrueBrain> guess it is better to only mention "Fixes" in the PR, and not the commit
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11:10:45 <Herr_Bert> its lunchtime over here :D
11:11:01 <Herr_Bert> I am looking for some forum admin
11:11:11 <FLHerne> orudge is your forum admin
11:11:40 <FLHerne> (but you should probably just use the 'report' button :p)
11:12:45 <Herr_Bert> issue is - i havent been there ~ 6 years and i forgot which email address i used for password recovery
11:13:06 <Herr_Bert> so i guess i cannot report :(
11:13:47 <orudge> Herr_Bert: do you know what your username was?
11:14:58 <Herr_Bert> hi owen. you might not remember me, but nice to see you are still around here
11:16:15 <orudge> Herr_Bert: I've sent you a /query message
11:33:08 <TrueBrain> we are as shocked as you are :P
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11:45:27 <Herr_Bert> how shocked are you when you see a one-man-salvation-army?
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15:29:30 <TrueBrain> LordAro: holy crap, storing a full checkout in artifacts is ... slow
15:29:44 <TrueBrain> ~1 minute .. damnnnn
15:30:58 <LordAro> probably faster after i remove the .git dir
15:31:32 <TrueBrain> I did that in my run, makes no difference
15:31:52 <TrueBrain> source bundles are created
15:31:56 <TrueBrain> docs bundle .... is acting up :P
15:32:35 <TrueBrain> looking at the errors, it makes a single connection for each file
15:37:39 <TrueBrain> 3 seconds vs 60, if sending it over compressed as a single file :D haha :D
15:50:59 <TrueBrain> okay, GHA groups are pretty nice .. makes organizing the output a lot easier
15:51:27 <orudge> Is there a parallel uploads option? DevOps Pipelines has one and it does speed things up I find when pushing lots of files
15:52:30 <TrueBrain> I honestly expected the actions to do something clever, especially as it is one made by GitHub
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15:53:34 <orudge> When it comes to the Mac workflow for GitHub Actions though, give me a shout, I can work on that. Might have a play with it myself at some point before then anyway, if I have the time
15:54:20 <TrueBrain> funny, Doxygen still stores information in "objs" :P
15:55:35 <TrueBrain> lol, you cannot delete artifacts within a workflow
15:55:42 <TrueBrain> guess it will just be a low retention time :)
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16:00:54 <TrueBrain> it now has 4 extra groups (the first one is always there)
16:01:04 <TrueBrain> shows a lot better what each blob of stdout/stderr is for :)
16:03:44 <glx> I think you need to also run the API generation rule
16:04:54 <TrueBrain> I am just copying what it is currently doing ;)
16:05:01 <TrueBrain> which was broken, annoyingly enough
16:06:14 <glx> warning: tag INPUT: input source '/home/runner/work/OpenTTD/OpenTTD/generated/script/api' does not exist <-- that's weird, I think it should have at least script_window.hpp
16:07:17 <glx> oh no it miss the "build" part in the path
16:08:09 <TrueBrain> that is my bad, fixed in next run
16:16:23 <glx> I guess it would be easier to add docs rule in cmake
16:16:47 <TrueBrain> it is ... complicated, atm
16:17:00 <TrueBrain> if you wouldn't mind looking into that, that would be great :)
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16:26:00 <milek7> TrueBrain: your emscripten PR broke on tests ;P
16:26:37 <TrueBrain> pfft, you need to login to see why
16:28:36 <TrueBrain> like I am going to know how to solve that, lolz :D
16:31:16 <TrueBrain> (was not meant against you, more about the completely unclearness to me how some things work :P)
16:32:36 <milek7> well, I don't know either (why _write_sockaddr is used as __write_sockaddr is mystery to me also) :P
16:35:32 <milek7> oh, maybe it needs _memset in _write_sockaddr__deps?
16:35:43 <TrueBrain> but other places that use memset don't have that either
16:35:46 <TrueBrain> that is what surprises me :P
16:35:55 <TrueBrain> and as this works locally, testing this is going to be a pita :P
16:39:05 <milek7> that is ugly, but.. you could treat sin_zero as i64 and use makeSetValue :P
16:41:27 <TrueBrain> and I can also set it 8 times on each index
16:41:37 <TrueBrain> but it is collecting hacks :P
16:43:50 <TrueBrain> grr, your patch conflicts with mine :! :P
16:46:07 <TrueBrain> guess I should also add a test, tbfh :P
16:47:37 <TrueBrain> lol, xz is by default not installed on ubuntu? Lol ...
16:52:16 <TrueBrain> adding "memset" to deps doesn't work .. that fails with: don't know memset! :P
16:53:36 <TrueBrain> nevermind, I was being silly
16:54:01 <TrueBrain> now how to run tests .. hmmmmmm
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17:01:13 <TrueBrain> milek7: solved it by the i64 trick after all
17:02:40 <TrueBrain> and re-used your test, which was mine, so that is all good now :P :P :P
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17:18:47 <TrueBrain> bah, the Mac OS runs don't want to start on GHA :P At least .. they are slow :P
17:22:09 <TrueBrain> orudge: I integrated your Mac OS work in that release-flow, while splitting them up over 2 jobs. We can combine them if you like, but this just to keep the ball rolling
17:22:28 <TrueBrain> LordAro: I used your release-workflow as base; I did make a few modifications, as I found out that GHA has new toys :D
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17:24:20 <TrueBrain> I fixed the Windows build locally, but I am now just waiting for the Mac OS to start, so I can see if those work :P
17:25:01 <TrueBrain> 16.04 creates 1 artifact, the others 2 .. that is odd :P
17:26:59 <TrueBrain> but boy, GitHub needs the ability to include other workflows ... this becomes ... difficult to maintain :D
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17:28:01 <TrueBrain> and grrr @ Mac OS ... provision already :P
17:28:19 <TrueBrain> fuck it, I want to see if I fixed Windows :D
17:28:49 <TrueBrain> ah, sha256 file .. right, those should be removed
17:29:40 <TrueBrain> yeah, it seems I removed that!
17:32:28 <TrueBrain> but funny that it doesn't do it on 16.04 :)
17:33:23 <TrueBrain> oops, that moment you make a tarfile named ".tar.gz" , which really is just a tar :P
17:37:02 <TrueBrain> the Mac runners really are out for a piss ... sad :P
17:37:47 <TrueBrain> things left are: recombining all the jobs, creating a manifest, generating shasums, and uploading to AWS :) Seems the rest worked fine, so nice work LordAro :D
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17:38:22 <TrueBrain> oeh, there is a mac runner starting up! Good, he can also unpack the source .. gzip it is :)
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17:49:51 <andythenorth> so do we all have to buy RHEL now then?
17:53:16 <DorpsGek> - Update: Translations from eints (by translators)
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18:30:34 <TrueBrain> oeh, found a "bug" in the Mac OS results ... their names are not unique :D
18:32:48 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8340: Draft: Feature: Create Universal (x86_64 + Apple Silicon) build on macOS https://git.io/JIwqt
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18:45:16 <TrueBrain> funny, if you did the "upload to AWS" a few times, it really is not a lot of work to do it yet-another-time :P
18:53:03 <frosch123> funny how the linux builds do not name an architecture
18:53:25 <frosch123> is there no ubuntu for mips or something?
18:56:39 <TrueBrain> old docker thing .. nothing == amd64
19:02:03 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
19:11:27 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on issue #8095: Feature suggestion: option to automatically space out vehicles in a shared order https://git.io/JfIUi
19:13:58 <andythenorth> the patch JGR implemented really does work but the UI is sub-optimal
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19:19:30 <andythenorth> hmm I built this patch, ffwd doesn't work at all
19:19:34 <andythenorth> I assume that's the same in trunk
19:19:45 * andythenorth has been playing official binaries recently
19:20:56 <andythenorth> the performance of a self-built JGR is noticeably better, but I didn't measure it
19:21:00 <TrueBrain> well, this is new: "hdiutil: create failed - Resource busy" ... hmm
19:51:07 <andythenorth> ok so the wasm client is faster than the self-built mac client
19:51:40 <andythenorth> I will test the separation patch in wasm then :P
19:52:42 <TrueBrain> did you build a debug build?
19:53:02 <TrueBrain> cd build && cmake -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release ..
19:53:06 <TrueBrain> build that .. should have better fps :)
19:54:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] TrueBrain commented on pull request #8340: Draft: Feature: Create Universal (x86_64 + Apple Silicon) build on macOS https://git.io/JIwWZ
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20:01:53 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIwlc
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20:11:43 <TrueBrain> Stadia is of the opinion I need a better internet connection
20:11:48 <TrueBrain> I on the other hand think they should upgrade
20:13:09 <andythenorth> hmm no assert in self built master
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20:31:29 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIwRn
20:39:19 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIw0C
20:40:34 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIw0z
20:43:11 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
20:47:45 <TrueBrain> LordAro: you no longer want to build for debian btw?
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20:51:43 <TrueBrain> oops, all linux deb files are named the same
20:55:05 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIwuZ
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20:59:23 <DorpsGek> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] andythenorth commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JIwu9
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21:00:34 <TrueBrain> and I am missing the debug debs LordAro .. no clue how to generate those :P
21:03:54 <TrueBrain> not even sure if anyone ever uses them, and what is in it :D
21:06:47 <TrueBrain> CPack does seem to offer a setting to enable it .. ddeb? No clue ... the part I didn't want to go through again, so ... yeah ... walks away slowly :P
21:08:17 <andythenorth> that's how I feel about random triggers on dual-headed trains :P
21:08:42 <andythenorth> disable the random....walk away
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21:20:06 <andythenorth> should separation patch try and warn that full load etc is incompatible with auto separation?
21:20:15 <andythenorth> or do we just let players discover that/
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21:21:09 <frosch123> is it more incompatible with separation than with regular timetables?
21:23:14 <andythenorth> I understand separation
21:23:20 <andythenorth> I don't understand timetables
21:23:51 <andythenorth> did I miss out the smiley?
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21:29:05 <andythenorth> I wondered about just extending the tool tip :)
21:29:18 <frosch123> i have no idea either
21:29:46 <frosch123> i guess you can mix fullload with timetabling some other orders
21:30:03 <frosch123> but timetabling the full load order is pretty pointless
21:30:21 <andythenorth> I am sure somebody has a carefully crafted savegame proving it works :)
21:30:55 <andythenorth> the small-but-friendly-crowd on discord basically said "dunno how all that works I just use auto separate"
21:31:02 <andythenorth> when I asked about timetables
21:31:20 <frosch123> pretty sure they would say the same about transfer orders, if they used cargodist :)
21:32:22 <andythenorth> I use transfers with cdist :)
21:32:39 <frosch123> no idea, i used transfers only without cdist
21:32:43 <andythenorth> prevents weird backlinks getting formed when there are a lot of nodes and edges doing same cargo
21:33:10 <andythenorth> many-sources-many-destinations networks get weird in cdist without explicit orders
21:33:38 <frosch123> but well, if you want to know how stuff works, you need to find someone who exploits it
21:34:00 <frosch123> speedrunners may not be able to tell you how to have fun with a game, but they surely know the mechanics
21:34:43 <frosch123> ideally you have someone opinionated like V
21:35:08 <frosch123> V loves orders, refits and signals. but hates pbs and station-refit
21:35:21 <frosch123> probably also perfers transfers over cdist
21:35:29 <frosch123> i have no idea whether coop made anything with timetables
21:35:42 <frosch123> but they likely used signals to time trains :p
21:37:59 <frosch123> maybe display a popup when starting ottd the first time
21:38:58 <frosch123> choose: to you want to play the game? or do you want the game to play itself? this affects the availability of pbs, cdist, auto-separation, vs refitting, transfers, timetables and presignals
21:40:21 <frosch123> you have to uninstall ottd and delete all your savegames to be able to make the decision again
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21:52:25 <andythenorth> there are people sequencing entire models of countries with timetables
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21:56:41 <andythenorth> having tested this patch a bit more
21:56:49 <andythenorth> I can see why JGR players say it's essential
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21:57:50 <andythenorth> strong words eh :)
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22:27:16 <milek7> looks like proper debugging :P
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22:33:51 <_dp_> what I definitely wouldn't want to see is having to mindlessly enable autoseparation or whatever for every damn new route
22:34:01 <_dp_> if it ends up being more effecient than just full load
22:34:28 <andythenorth> what's the alternative? :)
22:35:09 <_dp_> idk, option to disable timetabling?
22:39:22 <_dp_> also did anyone check performance? implementation looks kinda fishy
22:40:00 <andythenorth> do we have a standard baseline for performance?
22:40:47 <_dp_> not much slower than it already is? :p
22:41:09 <TrueBrain> if people don't mind it being slower, what is the hurt?
22:41:25 <TrueBrain> I mean, Cyberpunk 2077 is not running on any modern PC at 144 fps ... does it mean it is bad? :P
22:41:49 <andythenorth> we have a jenkins / selenium job that tests branches against a baseline
22:41:53 <TrueBrain> it is not really uploading yet, but that is minor
22:42:23 <andythenorth> can we dump the fps to a log from the wasm build? o_O
22:42:31 <_dp_> TrueBrain, it would be bad if it lags the game into unplayble state in certain scenarios
22:42:40 <TrueBrain> "in certain scenarios" it already does
22:42:58 <_dp_> afaict autoseparation iterates every shared vehicle for every loading vehicle every tick which is kinda a lot
22:43:10 <TrueBrain> but don't you rather mean, that you don't want performance regression with it disabled?
22:45:02 <andythenorth> free M1 with every download :P
22:45:05 <_dp_> TrueBrain, I don't want anyone using it to dos servers :p
22:45:09 <andythenorth> problem solved, for next few PRs at least
22:45:13 <TrueBrain> so disable it on your server?
22:45:20 <TrueBrain> I mean, if we check back in OpenTTD's history
22:45:24 <_dp_> well, if there is an option, sure
22:45:25 <TrueBrain> YAPF is pretty cool
22:45:31 <TrueBrain> but do you remember the version before that?
22:45:44 <TrueBrain> but I would claim, that without that version, we would never had this
22:46:17 <TrueBrain> innovation and "perfect" rarely go side-by-side
22:46:18 <andythenorth> I keep playing, even though the mac performance is sometimes lolzy
22:46:29 <andythenorth> it's not unplayable, just annoying
22:46:48 <glx> ok it seems I can generate source doc via cmake, now trying api doc
22:47:08 <andythenorth> ha opening the train window still dumps the fps
22:47:18 <andythenorth> stuff and things
22:47:34 <andythenorth> I don't know what JGR has actually done, but he has a list, and it is a shitload faster on mac
22:47:48 <glx> will be harder in msvc because input filter is currently bash+gawk
22:57:06 <_dp_> ok, nvm, it caches stuff so performance should be alright
22:57:40 <TrueBrain> LordAro: in Upload you can see all the files created
22:57:40 <andythenorth> let's merge it :)
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23:42:44 <orudge> TrueBrain: nice, will look at the Mac stuff tomorrow.
23:42:56 <TrueBrain> orudge: in my PR is a suggestion for how to solve bundle names
23:43:00 <TrueBrain> not sure that is correct
23:43:05 <TrueBrain> I just needed them deduplicated :P
23:43:40 <TrueBrain> I btw always build the build-host tools, even on x86_64 .. as .. that was easier
23:43:55 <TrueBrain> I am guessing something similar will be created for Windows too :D
23:46:23 <TrueBrain> owh, and the bundle name for Windows will break with ARM .. it is either win32 or win64 :D Ghehe
23:48:13 <orudge> Windows arm64 would just need the host tools thing, dependencies installed via vcpkg - arm64-windows-static
23:48:26 <orudge> I did test it in an emulator
23:48:43 <orudge> It worked, albeit very slowly under emu
23:48:53 <TrueBrain> Sounds easy enough :)
23:49:09 <TrueBrain> Well, in my branch that should be easy to add
23:49:19 <TrueBrain> Hope to finish it this weekend or so
23:50:44 <orudge> Will hopefully play tomorrow
23:51:03 <TrueBrain> Well, finish the current stuff; arm64 I leave to you
23:51:04 <orudge> Also hopefully my vcpkg PRs will be merged
23:51:37 <TrueBrain> (I will remove Mac OS arm tomorrow, just so we are not blocked by vcpkg:) l
23:52:51 <TrueBrain> I hope my emscripten PR gets accepted and they make a new release .. less hacks in OpenTTD :D
23:59:04 <_dp_> or they'll take example from openttd and wait a year :p
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