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01:18:46 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro opened pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
01:18:51 <LordAro> right, that's me done
02:12:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
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08:45:52 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain requested changes for pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWL9
08:46:53 <TrueBrain> sorry for the amount of comments LordAro , but I couldn't see if you simply forgot about requests (which is perfectly ok of course) or that you were still working on them :) So I just wrote everything down I am still missing :)
08:51:48 <TrueBrain> 502 Bad Gateway :( Sad panda ...
08:58:10 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWqJ
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09:25:32 <LordAro> TrueBrain: lots of comments :)
09:25:52 <LordAro> not really sure what's causing the 502, gonna have to fo some googling...
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10:25:01 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro updated pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkCEU
10:25:26 <LordAro> TrueBrain: most things addressed
10:25:34 <andythenorth> exposing the various client settings for company colour isn't possible?
10:25:42 <andythenorth> e.g. wagon colour, passenger coach colour etc
10:25:45 <LordAro> i've not rerun it yet because of the 502 thing that still needs fixing
10:25:51 <andythenorth> something something not network safe?
10:25:51 <LordAro> and also i have to do actual work now
10:26:18 <andythenorth> allowing newgrf to make choices based a client setting causes desyncs?
10:26:44 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWln
10:27:40 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWll
10:28:36 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWlz
10:29:31 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] LordAro commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWlr
10:34:17 <LordAro> TrueBrain: incidentally, bananas-1 is getting 'hammered' by ssh attacks, much more so than bananas-2 (71 IPs blocked vs 12)
11:04:31 <andythenorth> do we have a SIEM?
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11:52:48 * andythenorth wonders why company colour var doesn't cause desyncs
11:53:42 <andythenorth> isn't it a per-client setting?
11:53:58 <frosch123> no, it's "company colours", not "client colours"
11:56:51 <andythenorth> does that mean we could expose the yak-shaving settings, e.g. wagon colour?
11:57:32 <frosch123> "could" yes. but i think everyone who tried that concluded that it's a mess that should be deleted instead?
11:58:13 <andythenorth> I like my parameter solution
11:58:28 <andythenorth> but I don't like that it rides totally over the player wagon colour choice
11:58:49 <andythenorth> it's somewhat confusing :P
12:01:31 <frosch123> i think if you use newgrf, you know newgrf settings, and you know detailed company colour settings, you also belong to the minority that can deal with confusion
12:02:12 <andythenorth> I wonder if it will cause bug reports [shrug emoji]
12:09:32 <frosch123> maybe find a way to define livery classes via newgrf, and make the gui only show those classes that actually exist
12:10:45 <frosch123> but not sure whether anyone ever uses those extended liveries
12:11:14 <frosch123> i don't think i did ever beyond trying the buttons for what they do
12:12:12 <andythenorth> I used them a lot
12:12:12 <frosch123> there were people with strong opinions abuot being able to safe/restore the manager face. i don't remember such requests for detailed liveries :)
12:12:16 <andythenorth> less so since groups
12:12:33 <andythenorth> groups over-rides the choice detailed choices
12:12:59 <frosch123> so, call them deprecated then
12:14:18 <longtomjr> Is that the feature that allows you to choose different company colors for different vehicle groups?
12:14:27 <longtomjr> or is that another feature I do not know about
12:15:50 <frosch123> the rows correspond to the railtypes, and whatever groups some ttdp guy thought relevant 15 years ago
12:18:17 <frosch123> it's probably one of the most broken guis in the game
12:18:36 <frosch123> what about steam engines on narrow gauge?
12:19:04 <andythenorth> weird things like handling of mail
12:19:14 <andythenorth> and you can't set some things as MUs reliably
12:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> is that just me or is that page awfully slow?
12:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i had blank page for at least 5 seconds
12:20:36 <frosch123> no issue here, so just you
12:21:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, it's fast now on reload
12:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe browser startup issue
12:21:37 <frosch123> oh, there are more tabs in master
12:21:40 <frosch123> no idea what they do
12:23:29 <frosch123> ah, those are the group thingies
12:23:39 <frosch123> will anyone notice if tabs 2 to 5 go missing?
12:24:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm fairly convinced now that the DNS lookup was slow
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12:29:50 <longtomjr> frosch123, ah I use that, but you can do that based on your vehicle groups
12:30:54 <frosch123> vehicle groups and engine vs. wagon is orthagonal
12:31:13 <frosch123> but who really wants a matrix of all groups vs engine/wagon/whatever?
12:32:16 <longtomjr> You can do pretty much whatever you want with the groups right? You might need to do a bunch of groups, but if you really want to it should not be a problem?
12:33:17 <frosch123> you cannot put engiens and wagons of the same train into different groups :)
12:33:29 <longtomjr> Aaah that is the requirement
12:33:47 <frosch123> not sure anyone "requires" that :)
12:33:48 <longtomjr> Did not realise that yep
12:33:58 <longtomjr> Most of the time you want your liveries to match up
12:34:19 <longtomjr> Also, a lot of vehicle sets do liveries through refits
12:35:09 <frosch123> i guess maximum would be a matrix with rows for each group, and columns for every purchaseable engine/wagon type
12:35:25 <frosch123> though maybe you want to extend that to a cube for every refittable cargo type
12:35:35 <frosch123> and then 3cc per cell
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13:10:22 <frosch123> andythenorth: didn't you once suggested a colour brush tool for the depot?
13:10:30 <frosch123> to just paint individual vehicles
13:11:29 <andythenorth> and allow newgrf to extend the brushes
13:11:33 <frosch123> probably less choices than the livery cube
13:11:39 <andythenorth> well 16 company colours
13:11:46 <andythenorth> delete one of them
13:11:57 <andythenorth> I mean...pruple is ugly right?
13:12:11 <longtomjr> Just take hex color codes :P
13:12:15 <andythenorth> then use the spare bit to offset into a new pool of newgrf defined liveries
13:12:32 <andythenorth> which are just indexes
13:12:37 <frosch123> how about a special "outline-only" mode? then let your kid scribble it with colours?
13:13:15 <andythenorth> hmm I have a spritesheet of that
13:13:22 <andythenorth> I thought it was in the repo, seems not
13:14:30 <andythenorth> hmm found it, but it's not the version in pink with a face
13:14:49 <andythenorth> anyway, current company colour UI is a plague
13:57:10 <TrueBrain> LordAro: regarding SSH "attacks", most likely one of the two IPs was used with an active SSH before ... IP-reuse is real :P
14:00:19 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkW7Z
14:01:28 <TrueBrain> LordAro: if it helps, I can also create a "test.txt" or something, for testing purposes
14:04:07 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkW7b
14:04:12 <TrueBrain> LordAro: easiest debug EVAH
14:05:38 <TrueBrain> I hotfixed bananas-1
14:05:41 <TrueBrain> now SSL validation errors
14:10:36 <TrueBrain> routines:ssl3_get_record:wrong version number
14:12:27 <LordAro> TrueBrain: indeed (re ssh)
14:12:37 <LordAro> TrueBrain: yep, saw that one as well
14:12:48 <LordAro> didn't get a chance to debug
14:13:05 <LordAro> but feel free to do it for me :)
14:13:16 <TrueBrain> why the ... does it even do anything with ssl3?
14:15:50 <TrueBrain> it worked for binaries-proxy :P
14:16:40 <TrueBrain> owh, it is requesting based on IP
14:19:05 <TrueBrain> I think this is SNI failing
14:20:27 <LordAro> i did think that was a bit weird
14:21:30 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/aws-infra] TrueBrain commented on pull request #4: Add: ansible playbook for configuring new caching content servers https://git.io/JkWFS
14:22:19 <TrueBrain> there you go, a solution on a platter
14:22:26 <TrueBrain> I hope you don't mind and didn't want to solve this yourself :(
14:24:21 <TrueBrain> haha, we should maybe strip the AWS headers out, I notice :D
14:24:32 <TrueBrain> as it is now a cache of a cache :P
14:25:09 <TrueBrain> dropping all X- headers should be sufficient; no clue if it is worth the effort :)
14:25:23 <TrueBrain> hot-fixed bananas-1
14:27:48 <TrueBrain> owh, and IPv6 is not working; but you knew that :) (also going wrong trying to contact upstream :P)
14:28:10 <TrueBrain> what is cool, is that nginx sees all the A and AAAA records of AWS as potential servers (they are)
14:28:13 <TrueBrain> so if one fails, it tries the next
14:28:16 <TrueBrain> lovely, that that just works :)
15:15:36 <andythenorth> frosch123 alongside 'paintbrush' we could have 'airbrush' which paints random vehicles in the depot
15:15:52 <andythenorth> we could also swap 'clone vehicle' into the photoshop style clone brush
15:16:28 <andythenorth> "Can't innovate anymore, my ass"
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16:15:43 <qwebirc25151> where are older versions of openttd kept
16:16:01 <qwebirc25151> I wanted the 1.9.1 binary
16:29:18 <TrueBrain> qwebirc25151: well, you are in luck, even if you wanted 0.1.0, it is there! :P
16:34:31 <frosch123> i am waiting for the day someone asks what makes an openttd release an "useful-release"
16:40:13 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol opened pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
16:44:11 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklZU
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17:48:11 <andythenorth> the benchmarks on the £999 ARM mac are better than the benchmarks on my £2500 i9
17:48:15 <andythenorth> Apple laptops are so bad
17:49:36 <andythenorth> why are they so slow?
18:11:13 <LordAro> are they especially tailored benchmarks?
18:15:16 <andythenorth> the initial benchmarks were just geekbench
18:15:24 <andythenorth> with and without the transpiler thingy
18:15:44 <andythenorth> but the reviews are testing more realistic useage
18:16:07 <andythenorth> I shouldn't be surprised, my kids £450 ipads are faster than my i9
18:16:27 <andythenorth> but still, the Apple laptop performance is awful
18:17:41 * andythenorth still surprised by computers after 40 years
18:22:04 <andythenorth> TL;DR Apple nerf performance with a crippled thermal design and low-spec intel chips
18:22:12 <andythenorth> so that's the answer
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22:33:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
22:37:03 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol updated pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklGO
22:38:59 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] James103 commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklxR
22:46:54 <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] twpol commented on pull request #8342: Feature #8095: Allow automatically separating vehicles in shared orders https://git.io/JklpD
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