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05:35:33  <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/blrBK0c.png should we change the default sort of cargo payments from alphabetical to highest value first?

05:42:26  <CornsMcGowan[m]> i feel its easier to read down the list to find the cargo i want than it is to try match the cargo colour to the chart

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06:35:59  <Eddi|zuHause> but would that be the value at the start or the end of the graph?

06:36:28  <CornsMcGowan[m]> yes

06:36:39  <CornsMcGowan[m]> the start i reckon

06:36:58  <CornsMcGowan[m]> greatest dispersion of values usually there

06:37:54  <CornsMcGowan[m]> at least in vanilla and firs3 economies, the lines are most spread out at the start

06:37:59  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not convinced it's a good idea

06:41:34  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm

06:41:55  <CornsMcGowan[m]> are you happy with the current way the cargo payment rates graph is laid out?

06:55:27  <Eddi|zuHause> no, the whole window and the graph itself are horrible, the list order is the least of the problems

06:55:39  <CornsMcGowan[m]> lmao

06:57:54  <CornsMcGowan[m]> well, until somebody does a full remake of the window, i reckon for now this will be a good improvement

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08:12:46  <andythenorth> yo

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09:33:21  <CornsMcGowan[m]> are we guarunteed that only one of the rail/road/tram/canal/airport build toolbarsa will be open/activate at one time?

09:33:47  <CornsMcGowan[m]> or that the toolbar instances will exist simultaneously

09:47:16  <Eddi|zuHause> for what purpose do you need that guarantee?

09:54:27  <andythenorth> hmm

09:54:54  * andythenorth wonders what the most performant way is to find out if an industry tile is at the edge of a layout

09:55:25  <andythenorth> pre-compute in python by checking offsets to other positions in layout (x, y)?

09:55:42  <andythenorth> or just do it in openttd by checking if neighbouring tiles are same industry?

09:57:29  <andythenorth> and whether it really matters :P

09:58:08  <Eddi|zuHause> intuitively i'd say you should encode that into the ID of the industrytile

09:59:09  <andythenorth> considered that, but (1) it consumes IDs too fast, there aren't that many (2) the ID is already used for animated / non-animated / differently animated

09:59:41  <andythenorth> I think it's probably 5 minutes work in python, if I think about it for a day first :P

10:12:51  <LordAro> andythenorth: don't try optimising before profiling

10:13:04  <LordAro> premature optimisation is the root of all evil, etc etc

10:14:57  <andythenorth> how do you profile newgrf tile varact 2 chain during industry placement? :P

10:15:09  <andythenorth> other than A-B testing, maybe with a GS

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10:15:19  <LordAro> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

10:15:22  <andythenorth> I do tend to agree :)

10:15:54  <LordAro> you could write the algorithm in something that can be profiled?

10:16:08  <andythenorth> I could just ship the change and await complaints

10:16:15  <LordAro> that works too

10:16:41  <andythenorth> I want to enforce a bigger minimum gap between industries

10:16:44  <andythenorth> currently 1 tile gap

10:17:02  <andythenorth> 2 tiles is potentially 4 times as many checks, depending how many vectors are checked

10:23:12  <_dp_> how's that even a question? ofc pre-computed stuff will be faster unless it's stored awfully ineffecient

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10:34:50  <andythenorth> efficient for who?

10:34:54  <andythenorth> OpenTTD or me? :)

10:35:04  <LordAro> whom

10:35:07  <andythenorth> too right

10:35:14  <LordAro> sorry, too obvious

10:35:18  <andythenorth> no I admire grammar pedantry

10:35:20  <andythenorth> genuinely

10:35:34  <andythenorth> 'to lunch' or 'at lunch' not 'on lunch' is the hill I will die on

10:35:57  * LordAro should of pushed andythenorth off of his hill

10:36:00  <LordAro> urgh

10:36:03  <LordAro> that hurt a bit

10:36:13  <andythenorth> ouch

10:36:16  <andythenorth> my eyes

10:43:26  <andythenorth> meanwhile in South Wales https://twitter.com/SalopianLyne/status/1280996984044822529

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11:38:33  <CornsMcGowan[m]> Eddi|zuHause: was wondering if i could get away with a singleton for the route planner tools or not

11:39:14  <CornsMcGowan[m]> LordAro: isn't it "should have" instead of "should of"

11:39:35  <LordAro> CornsMcGowan[m]: thatsthejoke.jpg

11:42:05  <LordAro> also "off of" is absolutely never correct

11:43:04  <CornsMcGowan[m]> i have been wooshed

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15:45:12  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8260: Codechange: Spell 'Viewport' consistently https://git.io/JJmhB

15:45:49  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8263: Fix: refresh coverage on option switch https://git.io/JJmh0

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15:46:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8264: Add: [CMake] Source group definitions for MSVC project filters. https://git.io/JJmhE

15:47:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #8258: Codechange #8258: Remove unused town cargo caches from the savegame https://git.io/JJmhg

15:47:59  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8247: Fix #8162: Improve Error Message When Converting Town Owned Road https://git.io/JJvUx

15:48:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #8162: Converting town-owned road returns ambiguous/unhelpful error message https://git.io/Jfu9j

15:48:25  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8236: Fix #7772: Show destination on mouseover when vehicle stopped (and not in depot) https://git.io/JfpUS

15:48:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro closed issue #7772: Showing destination when stopped or waiting https://git.io/Je4C2

15:48:50  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro merged pull request #8196: Fix: Adjust .gitignore to CMake build system. https://git.io/JfMLt

15:48:59  <LordAro> crap, should've squashed that one

15:52:28  <CornsMcGowan[m]> lol

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16:05:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm, inflation affects prices by a fixed multiplier

16:05:42  <CornsMcGowan[m]> so should i use cargo->initial_payment for sorting or cargo->current_payment? they should result in the same outcome right?

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16:40:04  <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/9WWoCxI.png there we go

16:40:12  <CornsMcGowan[m]> sorted by initial cost

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16:42:30  <CornsMcGowan[m]> https://i.imgur.com/7NN7de9.png with FIRS extreme

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16:44:53  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One opened pull request #8268: Change: Sort cargo payment rates legend in order of (initial) cost instead of alphabetically https://git.io/JJYvO

16:48:05  <glx> CornsMcGowan[m]: could it be configurable ?

16:48:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh like, as a setting?

16:48:45  <CornsMcGowan[m]> possible to make it as such - i just swap between the macros in graph_gui.cpp

16:48:50  <glx> I think sometimes you want to show only some cargo, and it's easier to find them alphabetically

16:49:19  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh like, adding extra buttons to sort, in the same way as industry list or station list can be sorted?

16:49:47  <glx> yeah

16:50:51  <CornsMcGowan[m]> that would be nice

16:51:02  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh wouldn't that be more strings to mess with

16:51:16  <CornsMcGowan[m]> oh i could just steal the strings from vehicle list (name, cost)

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16:53:14  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] Hexus-One updated pull request #8268: Change: Sort cargo payment rates legend in order of (initial) cost instead of alphabetically https://git.io/JJYvO

16:58:27  <CornsMcGowan[m]> hm i'll leave making it configurable to another day

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17:29:44  <andythenorth> yo

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17:44:50  <andythenorth> any further changes needed to this? https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/pull/159

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17:47:07  <supermop_Home_> yo

17:55:48  <andythenorth> supermop_Home_ still sharp (cheap, but sharp) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-FRKYfpZ0

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18:04:17  <supermop_Home_> andythenorth https://imgur.com/a/skthZHs

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18:06:02  <supermop_Home_> andy looks weird with the flat sided 90s and mk4s, like a poor mans 225

18:06:46  <supermop_Home_> are there that many spare mk4s relative to 91 sets?

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18:28:15  <Econhero> Is the translation email id up? I have sent a message there to join.

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18:38:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it may take some time

18:42:34  <Econhero> fine. Thanks

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19:33:04  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #8264: Add: [CMake] Source group definitions for MSVC project filters. https://git.io/JJImg

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20:58:07  <andythenorth> well

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23:30:02  <supermop_Home_> well

23:34:27  <andythenorth> exactly

23:34:58  <Wolf01> Yes

23:38:49  <supermop_Home_> andythenorth https://www.flickr.com/photos/37190-dalzell/17600201302/in/photostream/

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23:53:02  <HoppyHaus> Hey, is there a command to actually create a company?

23:53:08  <HoppyHaus> like, through rcon

23:55:30  <andythenorth> hmm do I need a OO Hymek

23:55:37  <andythenorth> not today

23:55:44  <andythenorth> also bedtime :)

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