IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2020-01-28
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00:03:19 <TrueBrain> "Make sure it's at least 15 characters OR at least 8 characters including a number and a lowercase letter" <- that is pretty nice tbh
00:06:54 <planetmaker> I saw that I can use my phone's fingerprint scanner as 2fa
00:07:06 <planetmaker> somewhere. Just haven't figured out how so far
00:08:20 <TrueBrain> Let us know when you figured that out .. sounds interesting ..
00:08:33 <TrueBrain> I love 1password for it
00:10:04 <planetmaker> After you configure 2FA using a mobile app or via text message, you can add a security key, like a fingerprint reader or Windows Hello
00:10:08 <planetmaker> do I misread that?
00:10:45 <TrueBrain> Owh, as security key
00:11:20 <TrueBrain> I think I read about those, a fingerprint reader like a yubikey
00:15:59 <frosch> you need your fingerprint/key to get to your 2fa-code?
00:16:42 <TrueBrain> Security keys don't give you a code in this mode
00:17:00 <TrueBrain> Browsers can directly communicate with them, which is nice :)
00:17:31 <planetmaker> frosch, no, they rather dissiminate they secret when presented with the right fingerprint
00:17:44 <planetmaker> (or rather expose that they know the secret)
00:17:58 <TrueBrain> Funny enough, 3FA is used more often than you think .. behavior is a huge part of authentication these days
00:18:22 <TrueBrain> Reason it is now often called MFA (MultiFactorAuthentication)
00:19:32 <TrueBrain> I love how we are slowly moving away from passwords .. very slowwwwlllyyyy
00:20:21 <TrueBrain> They were fine till they leaked
00:20:27 <nielsm> they can work if the user has a physical keyboard and is fast at typing
00:20:43 <frosch> in the hitchhiker guide you just need the identocard from someone
00:20:44 <nielsm> (because then 20+ character passwords are realistic)
00:21:31 <milek7_> they are pasted anyway, nobody (should) type them
00:21:57 <TrueBrain> MFA works with: something you know, have, are, or do. The 'know' part is horrible. Let's start using the other 3 more often.
00:22:22 <planetmaker> Just got today an e-mail from my university: change your password till 30 January or your account then will then be locked.
00:22:41 <glx> "security questions" are worse
00:22:43 <planetmaker> seems they lost hashed passwords or might have :)
00:22:58 <nielsm> I should seriously get to sleep, this is bad
00:23:05 <planetmaker> yeah. good night :)
00:23:08 <frosch> planetmaker: nice, how many are on vacation?
00:23:28 <planetmaker> dunno? certainly some from 26k people
00:23:28 <glx> I think it's easier to find answers to security questions than to find the actual password
00:23:52 <frosch> do you know the name of my first dog?
00:23:58 <planetmaker> better than my sister's university... they were locked-out nearly whole of December till early January... university hacked and trojaned
00:24:19 <planetmaker> and they shut down everything before it actually could do work... but meh... no work for all people, too
00:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause> i think a study has shown that the people themselves have more problems to remember the exact answers to those "security questions" and they're rather easy to find out through social engineering
00:24:48 <TrueBrain> Ransomware is the worst
00:24:59 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i heard about that...
00:26:14 <planetmaker> yeah, it was in the news
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00:26:41 <TrueBrain> Happens a lot lately ... no fun .. good for security companies :p
00:27:42 <TrueBrain> Owh, yes, this sleep thing .. I should try it
00:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> sleep is overrated
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19:22:56 <LordAro> i'd say new vehicles don't count, but there's no new vehicles cost...
19:28:38 <andythenorth> designing vehicle progression is weird
19:29:38 <peter1138> Who can merge to git-hooks?
19:30:10 <LordAro> i don't think anyone other than org admins have access to it
19:44:38 <andythenorth> OpenTTD 2.0: Full Sandbox or Riot!
19:44:45 <andythenorth> more ways to choose train colours
19:44:57 <andythenorth> fewer fucking arounds with endless money tweaks
19:46:56 <andythenorth> think they're fixed in JGR
19:47:42 <andythenorth> was it lunch? I may have made some large errors
20:15:42 <Wolf01> <andythenorth> OpenTTD 2.0: Full Sandbox or Riot! <- agreed
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20:36:34 <nielsm> requires a stupidly long route with perfectly laid track
20:36:37 <Samu> 7965, I actually wonder about the fake income
20:36:47 <nielsm> to reach the top speed
20:39:14 <_dp_> Samu, because otherwise ppl whine about transferring vehicles having no profit
20:40:26 <_dp_> Samu, ppl will whine about money exploit by transferring stuff back and forth :p
20:42:22 <Samu> why not income all interveined vehicles on final delivery?
20:42:29 <Samu> instead of what it's now
20:42:47 <nielsm> it requires tracking lots of stuff
20:42:56 <nielsm> it's possible, I think JGR does it actually
20:43:14 <_dp_> imo it shoud just show full payment on final delivery
20:43:41 <_dp_> ah, nvm, there are vehicle profits as well...
20:45:38 <Samu> doing the same as in jrg?
20:49:34 <_dp_> idk, but looks like a very nice change
20:50:24 <_dp_> whatever openttd is doing currently makes no sense whatsoever
20:50:37 <_dp_> as it seems to calculate profit for a leg distance with full time
20:54:07 <peter1138> andythenorth, full sandbox, so basically no money, and...
20:55:13 <peter1138> Hmm, should I play Doom, or watch YouTube/Netflix/Prime?
20:57:45 <peter1138> Meh, too much stuff is sequels to things I've not seen.
21:02:18 <andythenorth> no money, magic bulldozer, nielsm's maximum town rating GS
21:02:53 <glx> [20:36:35] <nielsm> requires a stupidly long route with perfectly laid track <-- like real life for the 515,3 km/h and 574,8 km/h records
21:03:17 <peter1138> This WAD is too dark :(
21:04:31 <andythenorth> when was Doom released? Same year as TTO?
21:04:59 <andythenorth> oof, and it had modding from day one :P
21:05:05 <andythenorth> in a sane format
21:05:10 <andythenorth> with a shipped editor
21:05:32 <peter1138> No, it never shipped with an editor.
21:05:48 <peter1138> Definitely not sane either.
21:05:58 <andythenorth> nah, but they released WADEdit or whatever it was called
21:06:07 <andythenorth> as uncompiled source or something
21:06:18 <andythenorth> it was all built for NeXT at Id
21:06:21 <peter1138> Nope, 3rd parties released editors.
21:07:38 * andythenorth tries to remember the one everyone used
21:07:48 <andythenorth> it was on cover CDs like PC Format and stuff
21:07:57 <peter1138> deutex was an early one
21:08:43 <andythenorth> shall I try and build it? o_O
21:08:52 <andythenorth> haven't edited a WAD for years :P
21:12:39 <peter1138> It's been a while, yeah.
21:13:50 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: "for years"? Or "in years"? As I doubt anyone has been doing it "for years" :P
21:13:54 <TrueBrain> good evening all :D
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21:15:31 <truepedantlol> what no kick? :P
21:15:42 <peter1138> Well actually, yeah, people have still been making WADs :D
21:15:44 <TrueBrain> not really no, I agree with you
21:15:52 <peter1138> Maybe not one single one for years, though.
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21:16:07 <TrueBrain> would be funny if someone was doing that,t bh :)
21:16:15 <peter1138> Bah, I want to watch the rest of Picard but... not out yet, heh./
21:16:38 <TrueBrain> even then, only a small part more :(
21:20:41 <Samu> some weird math going behind the scenes
21:21:50 <Samu> train transports trasnferred passengers to a station and gets an income of £163, but on the finance window, it gained £303
21:22:21 <TrueBrain> well, you know what they say: IT IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY MONEY MONEY
21:23:07 <Samu> which one is the real money?
21:23:13 <Samu> that of the finances, right?
21:25:03 <Samu> so, the bus here... should of have gained the rest?
21:25:35 <TrueBrain> or does it ........?
21:30:16 <TrueBrain> I am absolutely shocked
21:31:43 <Samu> gonna check that thing of jgr
21:38:13 <peter1138> andythenorth, I watched an interview with Steve Furber last night.
21:43:20 <andythenorth> oh he invented ARM chips?
21:44:29 <andythenorth> did anyone open source chocks away yet?
21:44:33 <andythenorth> or can I run it on a pi?
21:44:42 <andythenorth> there's some kind of new risc os pi thing I think
21:50:34 <_dp_> hm... cargo payment calculation is actually quite bad
21:50:47 <_dp_> loses a lot on rounding since it's split in tiny packets
21:51:36 <_dp_> up to 4% on 50 tile maglev
21:51:55 <_dp_> and should be even worse for shorter and slower routes
21:54:53 <_dp_> ironic how it takes a lot of effort to save cargo bits when sharing between stations
21:55:03 <Samu> i need a savegame for that
21:55:05 <_dp_> just to waste a lot more while calculating paymens xD
21:55:30 <Samu> showcasing what changed, i don't see any difference
21:55:46 <Samu> i can't spot the difference
21:56:00 <_dp_> Samu, make a lot of transfers
21:58:55 <Samu> ok, gonna use that BUGGED.sav
22:02:22 <peter1138> andythenorth, basically the ARM in the Pi is WAY too advanced and is not compatible with original ARM code, so... you need to emulate.
22:03:17 <peter1138> Aemulor? Or Something...
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22:14:21 <Samu> it's still fake money :|
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22:20:51 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/workflows] TrueBrain updated pull request #4: Add: [CDN] code and config to generate required files for CDN https://git.io/Jvmvo
22:20:59 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/website] TrueBrain updated pull request #147: Add: switch to openttd-cdn.org for all downloads https://git.io/Jvmvk
22:22:10 <TrueBrain> almost there .. needs some test-driving, and I need to modify Azure Pipelines ... this should be done by the weekend :)
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22:26:58 <andythenorth> peter1138: emulate the old ARM on a pi? o_O
22:27:07 <peter1138> Quite. It's fast enough, heh.
22:27:13 <andythenorth> nobody seems to have Chocks Away disk images easily available :P
22:27:47 <andythenorth> my parents had an A3000 in the loft until a few years ago, but my brother sold it ;P
22:28:32 <andythenorth> Chocks Away Patch
22:34:36 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison updated pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvJrX
22:36:12 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] JGRennison commented on pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvYgg
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22:51:12 <supermop_work> i hate the soap we have at work
23:10:31 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvY2S
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23:35:59 <Samu> 7376 - i requested a change, nobody answered
23:37:20 <DorpsGek_III_> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] michicc merged pull request #7935: Add: Option for a new transfer feeder payment algorithm https://git.io/JvJrX
23:39:24 <Samu> 7890 just aprove it, 7918 too
23:40:31 <Samu> 7822 needs the cache expert
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