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00:28:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 opened pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

00:29:07  <glx> it's just a starting point

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02:35:59  <Eddi|zuHause> glx: is it missing the new file?

02:36:25  <Eddi|zuHause> ah no, i probably misinterpreted a thing

02:36:36  <glx> hmm ?

02:37:43  <Eddi|zuHause> how would 2 procedures get the same ID? there should be a lifetime attached to each ID from definition to last use, so they shouldn't overlap

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02:38:24  <glx> maybe a reference count issue, I'm trying to understand this part

02:39:11  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't have the right mindset to dig into it to help you right now, sorry

02:39:19  <glx> np

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12:19:59  <andythenorth> interesting post https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=86377

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12:29:45  <argoneus> what vehicle set do you recommend with firs 3?

12:30:42  <andythenorth> trains or other types?

12:40:31  <argoneus> hmm, all

12:40:35  <argoneus> I like using everything

12:40:46  <argoneus> but I guess primarily trains and rv\

12:44:43  <andythenorth> I use AV9.8 for planes

12:44:57  <andythenorth> I use Road Hog for RVs, and I used to use eGRVTS

12:45:13  <andythenorth> trains Iron Horse 2, or NARS 2, or UKRS 2

12:45:24  <argoneus> thank you!

12:45:32  <andythenorth> I am biased :P

12:46:08  <argoneus> well

12:46:14  <argoneus> at least iron horse is probably always gonna be fully compatible

12:46:22  <andythenorth> ish

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14:45:12  <Sacro> no dbsetxl?

14:47:28  <peter1138> 685 after lunch, hmm.

14:49:48  <peter1138> Hmm, that's only slight more than my cycle commute in.

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16:21:20  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

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16:49:26  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

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17:47:14  <planetmaker> hm... 1.10 < 1.9 on our server website: http://servers.openttd.org/en/

17:47:54  <glx> not surprising

17:48:56  <planetmaker> @ports

17:48:56  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)

17:50:44  <planetmaker> not surprising. But not ideal either

17:50:58  <planetmaker> (still referring to 1.10 < 1.9

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18:26:10  <LordAro> does anyone know how to update servers.ottd.org ?

18:26:20  <LordAro> it's not on the new infrastructure afaik

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18:28:21  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

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18:36:15  <Eddi|zuHause> ... that PR seems to have escalated :p

18:36:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

18:36:50  <glx> just a little

18:37:47  <Eddi|zuHause> probably the reason my attempts went nowhere. needed touching in too many places

18:39:33  <glx> yeah the hard part is to find where to add the small changes

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18:42:57  <glx> "Because callback results are limited to 15 bits, to access the full 32 bit result you can read variable 1C instead (e.g. by and-ing the 7E result with 0 and then adding var. 1C)." <-- maybe we'll need to update the code to transform 7E into 1C

18:43:42  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but that should just be the code generation part, right?

18:44:07  <glx> for now the nfo uses 7E directly in all calculation (well sometimes via temp param)

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18:44:15  <Eddi|zuHause> just follow the 7E by a 1C

18:45:09  <Eddi|zuHause> as if you were to write [var[0x7E, blah], var[1C, blah]] in the nml code

18:45:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i would imagine there are places where such things are already done, but i couldn't point out where...

18:51:57  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i always approached it like "i can just tuck on the 1C part at the backend, when everything else in the frontend works properly"

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19:44:27  <FLHerne> Trying to understand how the NFO-generating stuff is laid out

19:44:45  <FLHerne> Why is `write_action_value()`, say, in actionD.py?

19:45:16  <FLHerne> It /can/ create an actionD, but most of the time it creates an action6 or nothing at all

19:45:55  <FLHerne> Well, extends the action6 that's passed into it

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19:48:09  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

19:53:15  <glx> I think it does what it's expected to do

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22:01:37  <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_Lt6gQtfyU

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22:07:52  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stormcone opened pull request #7844: Fix: Do not refer to a function in the documentation that was removed… https://git.io/JePrL

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22:21:56  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7844: Fix: Do not refer to a function in the documentation that was removed… https://git.io/JePrW

22:27:43  <andythenorth> new modes then?

22:27:54  <andythenorth> classic, new classic, sandbox

22:30:33  <LordAro> i like the idea

22:46:09  <andythenorth> essay version: https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=86324#p1227035

22:51:30  <milek7> new classic?

22:52:31  <LordAro> TTDish defaults vs better defaults, i think

22:52:34  <andythenorth> 'improved'

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22:52:46  <andythenorth> but there's always the risk of New Coke if we get it wrong :P

22:53:45  <andythenorth> it wouldn't be a 100% rework, my intent would only to be adjust the few things that really suck

22:53:54  <andythenorth> so more like a 10% rework :P

22:59:05  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] planetmaker merged pull request #7844: Fix: Do not refer to a function in the documentation that was removed… https://git.io/JePrL

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23:11:30  <stormcone> hi, is there an easy way to draw a string with a specific color, so ignoring the color codes it has?

23:13:40  <planetmaker> try {RAW_STRING}

23:13:52  <stormcone> i have looked at drawString which has a colour argument, which default value is TC_FROMSTRING, so i assumed if i specifying a given colour that it will use it instead the colour codes the string has, but that not the case

23:13:56  <planetmaker> but... colour codes are there for a reason... so make a new string, if you need it w/o colour

23:15:12  <planetmaker> but quite some time ago I wondered about the same you asked... and whether there shouldn't be a way to draw it w/o the defined colour(s)

23:15:23  <stormcone> i would like to implement James idea from #7843, to grey out a line

23:16:16  <stormcone> so i would't like to duplicate all of the string needed for this if must not have

23:16:40  <planetmaker> duplicating every string is like a bad idea, yes :)

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23:17:45  <stormcone> so is there any other easy mode? :)

23:18:46  <planetmaker> I'm not familiar enough with the string system... but I recon, there is... and I'd dig where you just started as well: trying to find the use cases of TC_FROMSTRING and where it's not used

23:19:53  <planetmaker> and if not: make changes so that TC_FROMSTRING is not the only option :)

23:20:24  <planetmaker> there... must be something like that. E.g. the newgrf lists etc

23:20:43  <planetmaker> all selection lists have a highlight function

23:20:58  <glx> stormcone: why not just draw a line on the string to show it's "not there" ?

23:21:39  <planetmaker> arguably greyed-out is the more conventional way

23:21:54  <glx> list don't have colors in the strings IIRC

23:22:32  <glx> the color is added via another string

23:22:43  <planetmaker> ah, yes.

23:22:52  <planetmaker> I think you're right

23:23:35  <stormcone> the industry directory window's list is not a 'list', its just a panel where the rows drawed line by line

23:24:01  <glx> I know, I rewrited it recently ;)

23:25:56  <stormcone> i know :P

23:32:12  <stormcone> planetmaker: i will look at the highlight code, maybe i find something useful :)

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23:32:42  <glx> maybe a {IGNORE_COLOR_CHANGES_AFTER_ME} would help

23:37:48  <DorpsGek_III> [OpenTTD/nml] glx22 updated pull request #66: Add: allow use of switches and random switches as procedures https://git.io/JePq0

23:38:44  <stormcone> in the newgrf window, the newgrf strings don't contains color codes, so the draw string colour argument is used to colour the string

23:39:03  <Eddi|zuHause> maybe greyed-out should be a colour remap?

23:39:17  <Eddi|zuHause> so non-black colours could be shaded?

23:39:38  <planetmaker> hm, interesting aproach. I like it

23:40:13  <stormcone> it not sounds as an easy mode, to be honest :)

23:40:14  <glx> like the crash recolor

23:40:47  <stormcone> but the string i would like to use also contains black parts, so those would'nt be greyed out i think

23:42:36  <stormcone> maybe a function that removes the colour codes would be useful, in that way i could use the drawString as it is now

23:43:21  <Eddi|zuHause> stormcone: "remove all colour" would also be possible with a remap

23:43:28  <glx> you could add a forced_color parameter to DrawString()

23:43:54  <Eddi|zuHause> basically, map all colours to the same colour

23:44:55  <stormcone> i tried to find out where the colors applied, but it looks a little bit complicated for me :(

23:45:01  <Eddi|zuHause> and it's not a new concept, we use colour remaps all over the place... company colours, tile highlights, ...

23:45:02  <glx> but indeed passing a color mapping as parameter seems good

23:46:32  <Eddi|zuHause> latest addition was iirc the black area around the map, which was previously a flat black sprite, but with more height levels we needed sloped versions of that black sprite

23:46:51  <Eddi|zuHause> so we now just paint the regular ground sprite, but apply a black remap

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23:52:03  <glx> color remap can be handled in FontState::SetColour()

23:55:21  <stormcone> i saw that the layouter uses the fontState, but the drawLayoutLine uses the FontCache and currently i don't know how they connect to each other

23:59:37  <glx> I think it's easy to block color changes in FontState

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