IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2019-06-21
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11:40:36 <andythenorth> I accidentally ate lunch
11:41:14 <peter1138> Well, I had dinner this morning.
11:41:28 <peter1138> It was about half-past midnight.
11:41:49 <peter1138> I'd only had about 1300 carolies so needed something.
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15:18:41 <andythenorth> is it lunch again?
15:22:45 <andythenorth> what should I have?
15:23:42 <peter1138> Macaroni Cheese, probably.
15:23:52 <peter1138> I had salad, obviously.
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16:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i got promised steak tonight
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19:45:16 <frosch123> so, V ruined his coworker's love for factorio by theory-talking factory designs :p
19:45:27 <frosch123> only a #coop person could achieve that
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19:53:47 <frosch123> at least there a 3 people with ttd/ottd background on the team :)
19:54:39 <V453000> ruined their openttd even more :P
19:56:20 <frosch123> did they found a support group for coop-suffering?
19:57:48 <V453000> no they just avoided touching any train game ever since
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20:31:15 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, is that like promised lands?
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21:23:20 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: are these lands delicious when put on a grill?
21:26:44 * andythenorth had lamb rice chips halloumi
21:29:33 * peter1138 is having frozen-veg medley with boiled marrow and chicken meatballs. Traditional "eh, whatever" fayre...
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23:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> soo... astroneer update
23:06:09 <Eddi|zuHause> haven't delved much deeper than that yet
23:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> need more bits to research the new stuff
23:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also some storage silo thing in the screenshot which seems neat
23:07:30 <peter1138> I... haven't played it for so long. I don't know what I'm supposed to do now :/
23:08:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the new storage silo looks weird on the medium rocket, but i guess it triples the amount of stuff i can take with me
23:09:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i should finally make that leap to search for iron on another planet, instead of hoping i happen across a third piece of processed scrap on the starting planet
23:11:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (with three pieces of scrap i could trade for iron, which would allow me to build a shredder and make more scrap)
23:14:50 <Eddi|zuHause> one of the recent patchnotes also said they made the core structure provide oxygen, so i might go back there and work on the puzzle
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23:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what doesn't help is that i still haven't gotten a new computer, and am still scraping at the single-digit fps
23:22:43 <andythenorth> oh Eddi|zuHause :(
23:23:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but everybody i talked to recently said to wait for the new ryzen
23:23:27 <andythenorth> should I buy an external GPU?
23:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> external as in usb plug?
23:25:01 <andythenorth> USB-C / Thunderbolt
23:25:12 <andythenorth> by some witchcraft, it then drives my laptop display
23:25:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm unsure about GPUs... my current one cost 100€ back when i bought it, but 100€ GPUs today have barely any performance gain (according to benchmarks)
23:25:39 <peter1138> Hmm, apparently I don't even have a savegame.
23:26:11 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: i think they wiped early-access savegames
23:28:50 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i'm out to at least a 200€ CPU, 200€ mainboard and 200€ GPU, and i'm almost at the price of my previous PC, and haven't got any other stuff like a case, SSD, RAM, ...
23:28:59 <andythenorth> "Depending on the game, the Iris Plus 655 will probably be on par with a dedicated GeForce 930M or GeForce 940MX and can handle smooth gameplay in modern titles in low up to medium settings."
23:29:43 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: afaict, computer prices are now €2k
23:30:04 <andythenorth> they were €600, then €1200, and now they're the price of a good used car
23:30:15 <andythenorth> but we buy them every 5 years not every year
23:30:47 <glx> mac maybe, you can get decent pc for way less than 2k
23:30:53 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the last one was 800€-ish, with no monitor and onboard graphics
23:30:55 <milek7_> 200eur motherboard is rather expensive?
23:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> milek7_: there was still some fuzz about motherboards for the next gen ryzen, but it was said they were going to be on the expensive side
23:32:51 <milek7_> it wouldn't be still AM4?
23:33:24 <Eddi|zuHause> probably, but with some bios tweaks and higher ram speed?
23:33:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not really knowledgable on that sector
23:34:11 <andythenorth> so how much is a decent PC?
23:34:38 <peter1138> andythenorth, don't confuse "mac" with "computer"
23:35:01 <andythenorth> I looked at switching to HP last year
23:35:13 <andythenorth> because Apple looked like they were losing the plot
23:35:25 <andythenorth> there's no price saving on laptops
23:35:34 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you can probably go a long way with an ALDI-PC and slapping a decend GPU in
23:35:53 <andythenorth> how much is a decent GPU?
23:36:00 <andythenorth> they seem to be > €1k
23:36:36 <peter1138> No, that's high-end more-money-than-sense gamer GPUs.
23:36:37 <Eddi|zuHause> GPU speed seemed to be linear with price in the ranges i looked at
23:36:45 <peter1138> A decent GPU is still 100-200.
23:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause> which is 100-400€
23:38:57 <andythenorth> eh SSDs caught up
23:40:50 <milek7_> funny, my cpu is from 2009. back in 2009 cpu from 1999 would be useless
23:41:23 <andythenorth> hmm SSDs are confusing
23:41:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the important stat of SSDs is continuous write speed, but they never tell you that stat
23:42:10 <andythenorth> I have an app that benchmarks it for as long as you want to leave it running :P
23:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: but you can only run that app if you already bought it
23:42:35 <andythenorth> that is the sad thing
23:42:56 <andythenorth> quoted speeds are very variable from manufacturers
23:42:56 <nielsm> I think the wisdom for SSDs now is that pretty much any recent model is "good enough", WD Blue is a good middle ground, and samsung are expensive for name brand but not any better than the rest
23:43:17 <andythenorth> mine's some kind of 'soldered to the motherboard' thing
23:43:56 <nielsm> and unless you're doing heavy data/media processing (like 4k video or a bunch of VMs at the same time) then paying extra for NVMe is not worth it, but if you can get NVMe for little or no extra price you may as well
23:44:37 <andythenorth> I just like fast backups
23:45:05 <andythenorth> I have 2GB/s on board, but the fastest external I can back up to is about 300MB/s
23:45:46 <andythenorth> I can still remember having spinnng glass disk, not that long ago
23:46:31 <milek7_> ssd are still too expensive
23:46:55 <nielsm> you value your time that little?
23:47:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i still have this cheap 2.5" ssd from 5 years ago
23:47:22 <nielsm> the time wasted waiting for spinning platters of rust is unbearable
23:48:24 <nielsm> a fast computer definitely has solid state storage, a slow computer might not have that
23:48:37 <nielsm> if you get rotating rust then you're guaranteed a slow computer
23:48:43 <andythenorth> never waiting for IO is great
23:48:51 <milek7_> i have ssd for system disk, but honestly it doesn't make that difference
23:48:52 <andythenorth> I only get beachball rarely now
23:49:35 <Eddi|zuHause> milek7_: i don't know what benchmark you put onto that, but when i put in my SSD, boot time was like 1/10th of before
23:51:07 <andythenorth> is a Radeon RX 560 any good?
23:51:52 <andythenorth> apparently it allows 'some modern titles' to be played
23:51:54 <andythenorth> at lower settings
23:52:14 <andythenorth> it might be able to cope with e-sports, if you're not too demanding
23:52:25 <andythenorth> WTF happened in gaming whilst I was asleep?
23:52:45 <andythenorth> last time I checked in, consoles had won, and high-end gfx cards were for mining crypto
23:53:05 <andythenorth> something is weird
23:53:12 <Eddi|zuHause> crypto crashed like a year ago?
23:53:18 <andythenorth> and iPad massively outperforms my Mac
23:53:32 <andythenorth> despite being 50% of the price and 50% of the size
23:53:47 * andythenorth very confused by technology
23:53:53 <glx> well it's Apple doing stuff ;)
23:54:15 <glx> nice design, high price, useless ;)
23:54:28 <andythenorth> that doesn't make any sennse
23:54:40 <andythenorth> how does that lead to iPads that outperform high end laptops?
23:55:07 <Eddi|zuHause> you're comparing apples with apples...
23:55:10 <andythenorth> iPads are just a useless chunk of glass
23:55:21 <glx> iPad SoC is optimised for the size
23:55:23 <milek7_> i have rx580 and it's ok on AMDGPU
23:55:25 <Eddi|zuHause> what you need is oranges
23:55:30 <milek7_> but Windows drivers are garbage
23:55:49 <glx> laptop using standard cpu/gpu can't compete
23:56:17 <glx> they need to be slowed down for battery saving and less efficient cooling
23:57:15 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i thought graphics cards are mostly affected by memory size, less by gpu
23:57:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: can you elaborate?
23:57:57 <frosch123> i need to fit all the textures into vram to play factorio properly
23:58:24 <andythenorth> maybe I should compile FIRS on an iPad
23:58:31 <andythenorth> oh no wait, it's a crippled walled garden
23:58:46 <frosch123> maybe the question is whether you need high dpi/resolution or high frame rate
23:59:03 <frosch123> my games do not need high frame rate, but they usually care about huge screens
23:59:16 <glx> he needs high dpi, else it's ugly on his mac screen ;)
23:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: i want 1080p, possibly dual-screen
23:59:59 <glx> most gpu can handle that now I think
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