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00:45:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] closed pull request #7081: Change: [Linkgraph] Pause the game when linkgraph jobs lag (#6470) https://git.io/fh2Pg

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08:18:01  <peter1138> Hi

08:38:38  <andythenorth> yo

08:39:10  <andythenorth> can transport valuables (diamonds etc) in this? https://hattonsimages.blob.core.windows.net/products/GV6000_1451408_Qty1_1.jpg

08:39:12  <andythenorth> or no?

08:42:09  <Eddi|zuHause> no

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09:03:18  <andythenorth> thx

09:12:05  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN requested changes for pull request #7424: Add: Kdtree for AirportGetNearestTown https://git.io/fjGaF

10:13:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #7424: Add: Kdtree for AirportGetNearestTown https://git.io/fjGwJ

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11:34:20  <peter1138> Hi

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12:01:32  <andythenorth> innit

12:01:36  <andythenorth> @seen pikka

12:01:36  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 3 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <Pikka> if the separate sprites had cc masks, I wouldn't have made them separate sprites :)

12:03:30  <peter1138> So, NRT...

12:03:47  <peter1138> I'm thinking any plans for lane changes should maybe come later?

12:03:48  <andythenorth> hello, I'm listening

12:03:54  <andythenorth> lane changes should come later

12:04:08  <andythenorth> stuff needs to get into the hands of players

12:04:14  <peter1138> Because I spent the weekend trying to think how to do it and come up with... well, no cycling, and just playing Doom all days instead.

12:04:24  <peter1138> And not cycling has bummed be out *now* because now I feel fat :p

12:04:30  <peter1138> Yeah

12:04:46  <andythenorth> well

12:04:49  <andythenorth> what can I say

12:04:59  <andythenorth> I played too much Blitz, and fucked up my right side abdo muscles, again

12:05:19  <andythenorth> and at the end of that, a nagging sense of...nothing achieved :P

12:05:19  <peter1138> I dabbled with code and then removed it. I have nothing.

12:05:30  <peter1138> My initial "bitmask of available lanes" was clearly not going to work.

12:05:40  <andythenorth> let it simmer for a bit

12:05:46  <peter1138> Considering lanes merging, splitting, directionality.

12:05:49  <andythenorth> otherwise you'll just get into a TB style ragequit mood :P

12:06:41  <andythenorth> ship NRT, let the significant downstreams merge it (JGR)

12:07:59  <peter1138> Maybe focus on NewGRF docks again.

12:08:26  <andythenorth> that would be nice

12:08:42  <andythenorth> lanes is probably like NRT, try it three times, takes 10 years :P

12:08:43  <andythenorth> oof

12:10:12  * andythenorth trying to figure out how to jam fertiliser vans into Horse :P

12:13:19  <peter1138> Of course, when I was dabbling with docks, I got the "state machine" and "vision" stuff...

12:14:36  <andythenorth> well it's not wrong

12:14:48  <andythenorth> but I prefer to do stuff that's fun :P

12:14:59  <andythenorth> I have a day job already

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12:23:22  <peter1138> Currently default game time is one minute per two real seconds

12:23:24  <peter1138> Um...

12:23:28  <peter1138> Pretty sure that's not right.

12:26:10  <peter1138> Wasn't there some thoughts that the tick interval should be around 27ms rathern than 30ms?

12:26:23  <peter1138> (Which would lead to 1 game day being 2 real seconds.)

12:26:28  <peter1138> -n

14:15:57  <peter1138> Was it lunch time?

14:16:05  <andythenorth> yes

14:16:08  <peter1138> I already ate.

14:16:11  <andythenorth> rice, chicken, aubergine and carrots

14:16:19  <andythenorth> also toast, but not with butter :(

14:16:22  <andythenorth> so that's not good

14:16:34  <peter1138> I had an olive ciabatta roll with light leerdammer and salad in it.

14:16:40  <andythenorth> nice snack

14:16:44  <peter1138> But the roll itself is more than my normal meals, so that's... meh.

14:17:55  <peter1138> Yeah, my meals do feel likes snacks these days. When I was fat I could eat loads and just being fat meant it got burnt off...

14:21:13  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #7546: Fix #6507: Don't try to load invalid depots from older savegames https://git.io/fjG6z

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15:36:34  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda opened pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGP1

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15:44:59  <pnda> oh holy these commit checks are not going well at all

15:46:54  <pnda> Windows is running fine though hmm

15:47:47  <LordAro> well there are also 10 warnings on windows

15:49:33  <pnda> It's due to those strings I changed hmm

15:49:51  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGXe

15:54:59  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGXI

15:58:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGXn

15:59:24  <peter1138> Gotta say, that little window looks pretty bad, and won't it show up in screenshots itself?

16:02:44  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nikolas updated pull request #7086: Change #6173: Update SDL driver to use SDL 2.0 https://git.io/fhamZ

16:03:20  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGP1

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16:08:46  <pnda> peter1138, uhm that was one of the ideas I stated to get changed, that the window closes itself to not appear on screenshots. Could also change its layout

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16:22:49  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGXP

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16:28:46  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGXd

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16:37:42  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjG1k

16:45:05  <pnda> So uhm I set autocrlf to true now do I just rerun generate.vbs?

16:45:08  <Samu> inflation really hurts many ais

16:45:19  <Samu> even with low costs

16:47:15  <glx> pnda: if it still mess the line endings you may need to clean the checkout I think

16:47:49  <Samu> I can't believe OtviAI is not able to finish

16:47:58  <Samu> he was many times at 97%

16:48:15  <Samu> now it succumbs to 80%

16:48:44  <andythenorth> inflation is broken

16:48:46  <andythenorth> delete it

16:49:01  <pnda> Also, why does the generate.vbs window not close itself? It finishes off and doesn't close afaik

16:49:14  <Samu> down to 75%

16:49:20  <Samu> can't see him finish

16:49:22  <Samu> anymore

16:50:01  <pnda> glx: looks like it's working now hmm...

16:51:02  <pnda> Or does it? warning: LF will be replaced by CRLF in tatus.

16:51:39  <glx> should be correct I think

16:52:04  <pnda> "new file: tatus"

16:53:05  <pnda> Some file was added in the main directory with a all last commits

16:54:07  <pnda> So do I remove it?

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16:56:24  <glx> hmm yes

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16:58:54  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGP1

16:59:20  <pnda> Ok that seems to be correct

17:00:10  <glx> yup way less changes, it's better

17:04:00  <Samu> OtviAI bankrupted!

17:04:01  <Samu> heh

17:04:20  <Samu> inflation is amazing:(

17:05:10  <Samu> I kinda like it, and at the same time I hate it

17:05:53  <Samu> perhaps inflation could be re-done

17:06:21  <Samu> instead of global inflation, it could be per company

17:07:13  <Samu> inflation starts at company's inauguration year

17:07:26  <Samu> what do u say?

17:08:34  <glx> would not be inflation then

17:11:00  <LordAro> what's tatus precious?

17:13:31  <_dp_> inflation is stupid

17:13:46  <_dp_> does nothing but messing up prices so you have no idea how much money you have

17:14:09  <peter1138> That is how much money you have.

17:14:14  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjG1d

17:15:59  <_dp_> peter1138, I mean it's actual value

17:16:32  <_dp_> estimating construction cost becomes pita

17:18:22  <glx> LordAro: deleting or fixing if it's just a color removing

17:18:33  <peter1138> Press shift?

17:19:55  <_dp_> peter1138, why bother? just disable inflation

17:20:33  * _dp_ always wanted to repurpose shift for something actually useful

17:20:38  <_dp_> such a waste of modifier

17:30:45  <LordAro> glx: hmm?

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17:37:54  <pnda> LordAro: Do the languages inside of lang/unfinished have to be changed aswell?

17:38:07  <Samu> trAIns is trying to fight back against 170 years of inflation

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17:40:21  <Samu> it's being successful, but very volatile

17:40:29  <Samu> highs and lows

17:49:19  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGP1

17:50:57  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGMH

17:51:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda commented on pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGMQ

18:02:14  <Samu> yay trAIns reached 10M

18:02:21  <Samu> against 170 years of inflation

18:02:23  <Samu> nerf trains

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18:17:03  <glx> pnda: usually the string cleanup is done in a separate commit

18:17:38  <pnda> oh uhm.. as it is only usual do I have to redo?

18:18:12  <nielsm> not quite

18:18:28  <nielsm> use "git reflog" to find the hash of your commit before squashing/amending

18:18:37  <nielsm> then "git reset --soft" to that commit

18:18:52  <nielsm> that should leave you as if you had made the changes but not committed them

18:18:57  <nielsm> so you can make a new commit of it instead

18:21:18  <pnda> ok, will do

18:25:01  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] spnda updated pull request #7550: Add: Screenshot window (& simplify the about/help DropDown) https://git.io/fjGP1

18:25:49  <pnda> That should be it

18:28:07  <glx> hmm but english.txt must be in the first commit ;)

18:40:25  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7538: Remove TinyEnumT type https://git.io/fj3Bl

18:41:10  <LordAro> whee

18:43:30  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7542: Fix #7255: Prevent crashlog corruption by only printing the 32 most recent news messages https://git.io/fjsVs

18:43:36  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #7255: Crashlog truncated with many news messages https://git.io/fhFei

18:46:31  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #6605: Crash: loading savegame https://git.io/fjGDN

18:46:32  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7546: Fix #6507: Don't try to load invalid depots from older savegames https://git.io/fjGUZ

18:46:37  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN closed issue #6507: Crash: corrupt savegame https://git.io/fjGDx

18:48:17  <V453000> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/9426/nuts-overlays.png

18:48:27  <V453000> I bet nobody can understand what any of it means :D

18:49:36  * V453000 tried to simplify nuts, now you need a manual for buying trains :D

18:50:38  <peter1138> What's the icons?

18:50:53  <V453000> :)

18:51:08  <V453000> guess

18:53:06  <Samu> will the screenshot window screenshot the screenshot window?

18:53:08  <nielsm> powered

18:53:22  <peter1138> Oh, scenario editor is more broken than I thought :-(

18:56:44  <nielsm> how broken?

18:56:59  <nielsm> also, NRT+

18:57:02  <peter1138> Crashes on some toolbars closing.

18:57:12  <peter1138> (Due to station coverage patch)

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19:01:22  <peter1138> Maybe "IsWidgetLowered" could handle missing widgets...

19:03:12  <peter1138> Damn, rockets are hard to use in Brutal Doom.

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19:05:15  <Alberth> how can you not know if a widget exists?

19:05:44  <peter1138> Damn window code for different nested trees (normal game vs scenario editor)

19:05:48  <peter1138> !

19:05:51  <peter1138> s/Damn/Same/

19:06:17  <Alberth> ah, somewhat silly window code thus

19:09:50  * _dp_ opened a can of smart pointers

19:14:27  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN opened pull request #7551: Fix 81d335b: Don't check state of widget not present in scenario editor. https://git.io/fjGy6

19:15:10  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN approved pull request #7485: Add: Dropdown build menus from toolbar have icons https://git.io/fjGyi

19:15:41  <peter1138> That is a bad PR title though :p

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19:31:30  <peter1138> nielsm, also, "NRT+" means what?

19:32:08  <nielsm> + was supposed to be ?

19:32:27  <peter1138> Ah, right. Yeah, no, it wasn't NRT :-)

19:32:28  <nielsm> I was intending to ask if the instability was an NRT problem or what

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19:35:26  <Artea> dp: can I buy your company ? :P

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19:41:39  <Wolf01> o/

19:41:57  <Wolf01> Is it friday tomorrow?

19:42:03  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7485: Add: Dropdown build menus from toolbar have icons https://git.io/fjtIt

19:42:05  <peter1138> Why not?

19:45:49  * peter1138 ponders

19:45:54  <peter1138> Maybe...

19:47:34  <_dp_> Artea, do whatever you want, it's not like I ever going to play it

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19:50:35  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #7516: Memory measurement and limits for Squirrel https://git.io/fjGSm

19:52:39  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] LordAro approved pull request #7551: Fix 81d335b: Don't check state of widget not present in scenario editor. https://git.io/fjGSY

19:53:03  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] nielsmh commented on pull request #7516: Memory measurement and limits for Squirrel https://git.io/fjGSO

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20:09:13  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN merged pull request #7551: Fix 81d335b: Don't check state of widget not present in scenario editor. https://git.io/fjGy6

20:11:20  <andythenorth> yo

20:12:23  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN commented on pull request #7348: Fix: IniLoadFile::LoadFromDisk seems to expect filename, BaseMedia<Tbase_set>::AddFile provides fullpath https://git.io/fjGS2

20:12:47  <peter1138> andy the north

20:12:54  <peter1138> Hmm, why is this window so slow... :/

20:16:05  <_dp_> what happens if server can't initialize network? game just keeps running for noone?

20:18:56  <peter1138> How would be unable to initialize it?

20:20:56  <_dp_> peter1138, port is already in use for example

20:21:22  <peter1138> dbg: [net] Dedicated server could not be started, aborting

20:21:46  <peter1138> In non-dedicated you get a red error box, but the game continues.

20:21:55  <peter1138> I'm guessing you could have tried it ;p

20:24:17  <LordAro> peter1138: re #7348 - title seems correct to me, LoadFromDisk was previously being passed the full path, now is only passed relative path

20:24:31  <LordAro> convoluted, perhaps

20:25:01  <_dp_> peter1138, well, I kinda did but it crashed

20:25:07  <_dp_> peter1138, not vanilla though so unrelated

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20:25:12  <peter1138> LordAro, ah, filename + basepath_length confused me, yes.

20:25:22  <peter1138> Too much non-C/C++ languages :-)

20:25:27  <LordAro> :)

20:25:43  <peter1138> Okay, but "seems to" is not commit title material :-)

20:26:21  <LordAro> i'm sure someone can manage to squash something better in

20:26:32  <peter1138> So the question is, if you have the full path already, why do we truncate it to just the filename?

20:26:51  <LordAro> because tar files

20:26:56  <peter1138> It, er, seems like we've searched for this file, but... er...

20:26:57  <peter1138> Hmm.

20:27:08  <peter1138> Do we load ini files from tar files?

20:27:23  <LordAro> no, IniLoadFile has nothing to do with loading ini files

20:27:31  <peter1138> Hmm, I guess we use ini files for ...

20:27:31  <LordAro> it loads files specified by an ini file

20:27:39  <peter1138> Oh.

20:27:46  <peter1138> Well...

20:28:00  <peter1138> LoadFromDisk you mean.

20:28:05  <peter1138> ?

20:28:28  <LordAro> IniLoadFile::LoadFromDisk, yes

20:28:55  <LordAro> there's a lot of badly named stuff :)

20:39:30  <andythenorth> hmm

20:39:38  <andythenorth> I should probably be doing something diligent

20:46:56  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on issue #7295: Proposal: quick settings overrides / filter https://git.io/fjG9J

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21:05:33  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] hidegh commented on issue #7295: Proposal: quick settings overrides / filter https://git.io/fjG9E

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21:10:08  <andythenorth> oh it's simyoulator

21:10:33  <andythenorth> or simyoulater, to be accurate

21:10:37  <andythenorth> nvm

21:10:50  * andythenorth must to Blitz

21:20:08  * peter1138 still Dooms.

21:21:27  * Wolf01 GoT, then Syberia 3

21:21:57  * V453000 needs to draw a 4/8 caboose :D

21:24:57  <andythenorth> yo

21:25:03  <andythenorth> wat caboose? :o

21:25:05  <andythenorth> in NUTS?

21:25:15  <andythenorth> peter1138: I have stopped Blitz now

21:25:20  <andythenorth> low sense of achievement

21:25:22  <andythenorth> just killing time :P

21:27:28  <V453000> yeah, for nuts

21:27:46  <andythenorth> is it a rabbit?

21:27:51  <andythenorth> that would look amusing

21:27:59  <V453000> no, early things are realizm

21:28:02  <V453000> ish :)

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21:50:54  <peter1138> Oook

21:52:20  <peter1138> Make everything after 2020 intermodal.

21:52:24  <peter1138> Ok. Sounds fun.

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21:56:14  <V453000> heh

21:58:22  <andythenorth> it wasn't the question I asked

21:58:26  <andythenorth> but that's the internet

21:58:33  <V453000> wot

21:58:42  <andythenorth> forums, SYL

21:58:45  <V453000> oh

21:58:55  <andythenorth> I'm the fool if I expected different :P

21:59:07  <andythenorth> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1221149#p1221149

21:59:12  <peter1138> Strapping Young Lad

21:59:39  <peter1138> If there was a parameter, I would have it on "GIVE ME EVERYTHIGN"

21:59:47  <peter1138> (And then not use most things, but that's not the point)

22:00:18  <andythenorth> exactly

22:01:09  <andythenorth> moar is best

22:03:07  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #6811: Feature: Add NotRoadTypes (NRT)  https://git.io/vhlfg

22:03:17  <peter1138> Just a rebase after all those changes earlier.

22:04:46  <andythenorth> rebase and merge did you say?

22:05:37  <peter1138> I...

22:05:51  <peter1138> Well I might have to do that.

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22:07:47  <andythenorth> time to let people loose on it

22:07:54  <andythenorth> then JGR can merge it

22:30:20  <peter1138> Well.

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22:59:16  <Wolf01> Sleepflix time

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23:05:26  <andythenorth> "curtain side wagon", "curtain roof wagon" or "tarpaulin wagon"? https://f.jwwb.nl/public/i/w/c/temp-vquugmqrvzpuajvmynhf/jj32vk/67544_2_1.jpg

23:24:51  <peter1138> Hi

23:30:33  <andythenorth> yo

23:40:02  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] glx22 updated pull request #7270: Introduce CMake (and removing all other project-related code) https://git.io/fhbqc

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23:45:44  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] PeterN updated pull request #7380: Feature: Multi-tile docks. https://git.io/fjv8j

23:46:52  <DorpsGek_II> [OpenTTD/OpenTTD] stale[bot] commented on pull request #7028: Feature: Option to group vehicle list by shared orders https://git.io/fjGQ6

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23:48:34  <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think the dbset calls it "tarpaulin"

23:49:20  <andythenorth> that avoids complications with roof vs sides

23:49:25  <andythenorth> thanks

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23:58:56  <andythenorth> docks eh? :D

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