IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2018-07-18
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10:02:42 <Exec> How do I get a remote server's info (the one that shows up with the current year, etc.) from cli?
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10:20:00 <Alkel_U3> well, there's getdate command
10:20:23 <peter1138> For a remote server?
10:20:26 <Alkel_U3> what do you mean by etc.?
10:23:21 <Alkel_U3> I assumed it means his remote server, to check on it without having to fire up openttd. If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
10:24:04 <Alkel_U3> But yes, should've asked first, assume later :P
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10:47:14 <Exec> [10:23:21] <Alkel_U3> >If we're talking about using shell to check up on other people's serves, I have no idea.
10:49:19 <Exec> Also, does openttd not have a non-ingame console interface? That ~ key one
10:54:09 <CTZen> pls tell me reddit s3 ip
11:00:37 <TrueBrain> yes, I also always join random IRC channels to ask random facts in life :D
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11:31:47 <LordAro> TrueBrain: and then leave immediately, of course
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12:23:14 <andythenorth> this channel is mostly greetings
12:23:25 <LordAro> well whose fault is that?
12:34:44 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: I have not seen dorpsgek.
12:34:49 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: supermop was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 6 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <supermop> i want rich tree biome simulation in openttd
12:42:50 <DorpsGek> peter1138: I have not seen commits.
13:35:24 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remember the time when there was commits?
13:38:26 <planetmaker> \o (continuing the proclaimed trend) ;)
13:40:55 <peter1138> Yeah, there used to be commits.
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14:00:23 <andythenorth> if a commit falls in a forest
14:00:27 <andythenorth> and nobody is there to hear it
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14:08:30 <planetmaker> andythenorth, that poses the question: is the forest real in that case?
14:09:02 <SpComb> if you commit without ever pushing, does that commit exist?
14:09:42 <planetmaker> it's the same as the talk in the forum's development section then ;)
14:10:32 <Sacro> apt-get install nodejs provides openttd, how lovely :D
14:10:43 <andythenorth> ugh development forum
14:10:52 <andythenorth> such a waste of all time for participants :)
14:14:37 <peter1138> Much like our PR list
14:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> so, we should shut down the project to prevent everyon from wasting their time on a 20 year old game, which isn't real anyway?
14:18:03 <SpComb> what's wrong with the list of open PRs?
14:20:07 <SpComb> hey, some even have reviews
14:20:28 <SpComb> ...okay, one of them does
14:22:13 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: the project isn't real, how would we shut it ?
14:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, there's a cat calmly lying next to me, but as soon as i make any move, she will jump up and demand food...
14:22:42 <andythenorth> is this a new type of trolley problem?
14:23:53 <peter1138> Maybe I should dual-boot my home PC again.
14:24:23 <peter1138> Since the last update, the (Hyper-V) VM guest is horribly slow...
14:24:36 <peter1138> And Visual Studio is bloody horrible.
14:25:17 <andythenorth> virtualbox got horrible too
14:25:58 <peter1138> Well, actually the guest is fine, but graphics perform is terrible.
14:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in other news, i finally got a DX11 game to run in wine
14:27:33 <peter1138> Will it run on a GPU that doesn't support DX11 in Windows? :D
14:28:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think so :p
14:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> but i have a Radeon HD 7750, which is just about DX11 capable
14:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> with the right drivers
14:30:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that card should be about 5 years old now
14:31:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember
14:32:34 <Arveen> i think that card is from 2011 or 2012
14:32:52 <Eddi|zuHause> seems to be the date i ordered it
14:33:08 <SpComb> design itself will be older
14:33:34 <Eddi|zuHause> it was the newest generation back then, and something in the lower price range
14:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> 82€+10€ shipping
14:37:15 <SpComb> wouldn't run crysis at ultra quality
14:38:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it runs anything at ultra quality :p
14:39:36 <SpComb> tsk, what a bad deal, the 970 GTX that I bought only costs €50-80
14:42:36 <SpComb> hmm, $329 launch price in 2014... what does that get you now, a GTX 1060 I suppose
14:45:31 <Arveen> i got this fancy TVGA 9000 laying around. 9000 > 1060, so i win ?
14:46:10 <peter1138> Tseng Labs ET6000 woo
14:46:11 <SpComb> right, even the 1060 is now two years old
14:46:41 <SpComb> doesn't sound like a goos time to be upgrading graphics cards
14:48:27 <peter1138> Indeed, the bitcoin bollocks made the high end cards unaffordable right when I wanted one :(
14:48:27 <SpComb> the GTX 1070 is still retailing for like €500, way too expensive
14:48:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i once had an ET4000
14:48:41 <peter1138> And now they are back to where they were, just, but 8 months older.
14:49:33 <SpComb> GTX 1070 launched 2016-08 with MSRP $379
14:49:58 <SpComb> am I just looking in the wrong place or what
14:50:22 <peter1138> Yeah, not the US :/
14:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause> american prices are without VAT and stuff?
14:51:49 <Eddi|zuHause> my 92€ are 77€ without taxes
14:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> SpComb: back then i specifically decided to go for the newest generation, as the main reason i wanted a new card was that my old one fell out of driver maintenance, which i felt was pretty short
14:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i could have gotten similar-performance-level previous generation for less than that
14:56:34 <peter1138> I "need" a 1080ti for VR.
14:56:43 <peter1138> 670 is a bit pants :p
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15:11:28 <SpComb> ok, helps a little if you can tell the difference between a 1070 and 1070ti, but still slightly above MSPR for a 2016 card
15:12:05 <SpComb> doesn't make any sense at all to upgrade from a 970 I suppose
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15:26:51 <peter1138> Probably not at this time.
15:29:24 <LordAro> things are starting to normalise again though
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18:05:12 * andythenorth working on town cargos
18:05:24 <andythenorth> need some kind of insight :P
18:07:58 <Alberth> solar panels, I think
18:08:10 <Alberth> or energy and internet
18:08:22 <andythenorth> is it meat, dairy, fruit, flour?
18:08:33 <andythenorth> or fresh food, processed food, frozen food?
18:08:44 <andythenorth> or is it food, drink
18:09:27 <Alberth> you don't want too many, unless you want city mayhem :p
18:09:30 <andythenorth> currently there's no rationale for the food-type cargos
18:09:35 <andythenorth> and V453000 will turn up and mock me
18:10:25 <Alberth> not sure how different fresh food vs frozen food is from transport point of view
18:10:40 <Alberth> both are refridgerated I guess?
18:11:23 <Alberth> you already have alcohol, you need more drink ? :p
18:11:47 <andythenorth> I'd change alcohol to drink
18:11:58 <Alberth> I like the 1st one best, not sure about the number of different types
18:12:08 <andythenorth> the refrigeration point is useful
18:12:52 <andythenorth> maybe food just is food
18:13:03 <andythenorth> the goods cargos are easy to split up, haven't done that yet
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18:16:05 <Alberth> on the other hand, each industry in a town needs a bit of unique cargo I guess
18:16:30 <andythenorth> household appliances -> electrical shop
18:16:34 <andythenorth> coffee -> starbucks
18:16:53 <andythenorth> household chemicals -> general store
18:17:08 <Alberth> I agree goods make much more sense to make more specific
18:17:09 <andythenorth> furniture -> furniture shop
18:17:25 <andythenorth> I think the nice thing for extreme food is to put in the ingredients
18:17:32 <andythenorth> so sugar beet -> sugar -> food
18:17:44 <andythenorth> grain -> flour -> food etc
18:18:33 <andythenorth> trying to work out how to do meat pies
18:18:49 <andythenorth> meat + flour -> food processer -> food
18:21:53 <andythenorth> potatoes -> chip factory -> food
18:22:49 <Alberth> but it's a weird cargo, perhaps
18:25:34 <andythenorth> nice colour for tankers
18:29:55 <Rubidium> eggs -> blender -> scrambled eggs ?
18:30:07 <TrueBrain> hmmmm ... now I am hungry
18:30:25 <andythenorth> Rubidium: I forgot eggs :o
18:30:34 <andythenorth> embryo livestock?
18:30:41 <andythenorth> maybe I do GMO foods
18:30:47 <andythenorth> and some towns won't accept them
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18:34:43 <andythenorth> edible oil + eggs = mayo
18:34:47 <andythenorth> need vinegar though
18:35:11 <Rubidium> that's just wine that wasn't processed correctly ;)
18:37:20 <andythenorth> excess of people with commit rights in the channel :P
18:38:21 <Rubidium> andythenorth: everyone in the channel has commit rights!
18:38:45 <peter1138> Excess of people with ability to merge other people's commits :p
18:40:01 <peter1138> If you see some random guy come along with a load of PRs who seems to understand the code, and doesn't ask any questions here, it's probably an alt account to get around the approval stuff :p
18:41:48 <andythenorth> is it winning us much?
18:50:00 <peter1138> Ah but Minecraft 1.13 is out.
18:58:09 <andythenorth> ping 60 until red team appears
18:58:20 <andythenorth> happens too often to be coincidence
18:58:32 <andythenorth> more like they've messed up
18:58:52 <Wolf01> Because one of red team has shitty connection then everybody adapts
18:59:06 <andythenorth> the packets for 'no tanks' are probably smaller than packets for '6 tanks just appeared'
18:59:25 <andythenorth> but they also had what looked like load issues for much of this year
19:00:05 <andythenorth> I used to code flash games that were fast until you were in hit-detection range of enemy
19:00:07 <andythenorth> then they bogged
19:00:20 <Wolf01> Aaaaand java updater just failed again!
19:00:21 <andythenorth> calculating nothing is faster
19:00:30 <andythenorth> than calculating something
19:00:32 <LordAro> timing attacks are hard
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19:28:21 <TrueBrain> yippie, my runner works, and I can deploy a simple docker now
19:28:30 <TrueBrain> the weather is NOT helpnig :D
19:30:20 <TrueBrain> and I really need more people to give feedback on what this is becoming .. :)
19:32:00 <nielsm> is it become self-aware?
19:33:00 <TrueBrain> in the end, this is going to mean that if you accept a PR on a repository named 'www.openttd.org', staging is updated automatically, and with a press of the button, so is the real www.openttd.org
19:33:08 <TrueBrain> that should make updates a lot quicker/easier/etc :D
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22:39:46 <aditsu> hi, I have a problem: big city, atrocious rating, don't have any station and can't build one, and trees don't seem to help (too far from the center I guess), how can I improve the rating?
22:40:48 <aditsu> I thought bribing was disabled, but I guess I don't have enough money
22:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> the trees only cont on tiles where no tree was before
22:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise, the rating slowly improves over time
22:47:22 <aditsu> Eddi|zuHause: yes.. I could delete and replant trees, but there are hardly any inside the city, and around it seems ineffective
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