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00:08:00  <Lemons> helo

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00:09:40  <Lemons> does anyone play 1.4.4 ... i would like to connect to others...

00:09:40  <Samu> local am = ec.AcceptMerger()

00:09:55  <Lemons> socily ; - ;

00:09:57  <Samu> why did it just bought the company? :(

00:10:31  <Lemons> nobody....

00:10:36  <Samu> we're on 1.7.2

00:10:36  <ST2> Lemons: any particular reason to play 1.4.4 and not 1.7.2?

00:10:43  <Lemons> cuz im on a pi

00:10:50  <ST2> oh

00:10:51  <Lemons> thats my excuse

00:10:54  <LordAro> also you waited 30s for a response

00:10:58  <ST2> 1.7.2 won't run?

00:11:02  <Lemons> uhm

00:11:17  <LordAro> ST2: there won't be a precompiled version

00:11:20  <Lemons> i have a crappy operating system that my dad made me gun

00:11:23  <Lemons> run *

00:11:42  <Lemons> idk if i can even get 1.7.2 on a pi

00:11:46  <LordAro> hey now, no mean works about raspian

00:11:49  <LordAro> words*

00:12:15  <Samu> local am = ec.AcceptMerger() why did this accepted immediately?

00:12:29  <LordAro> why wouldn't it?

00:12:30  <Samu> i bought a company, while I was wondering if i could buy it

00:13:46  <Lemons> idk if i can get a version for the pi

00:14:01  <Lemons> or the operating system i have atm

00:14:09  <LordAro> Lemons: it's likely you'll have to compile it yourself

00:14:14  <Lemons> er the 1.7.2 version

00:14:17  <Lemons> sigh

00:14:25  <Lemons> welp....

00:14:46  <LordAro> Lemons: what OS do you have?

00:14:46  <ST2> 1st: what OS on PI?

00:14:52  <Lemons> uhm

00:14:53  <Lemons> idk

00:14:54  <ST2> that ^^

00:15:02  <Lemons> pi 3 running Kano?

00:15:46  <ST2> LordAro: take the wheel :)

00:15:59  <LordAro> ST2: pfft, i'm googling just the same as you here :p

00:16:11  <LordAro> looks raspian based though

00:16:26  <LordAro> at least, the download link is "http://downloads.kano.me/public/Kanux-Beta-latest-jessie-release.img.zip"

00:16:41  <Lemons> that i belive is what i have atm

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00:16:50  <LordAro> Lemons: how familiar are you with the commandline?

00:17:05  <Lemons> the wat

00:17:08  <ST2> so, the "jessie" mention is that remotely based on debian?

00:17:40  <Lemons> words ---> 0.0 ---->

00:18:02  <LordAro> ST2: aye, debian jessie is debian 8, or the last stable version

00:18:20  <ST2> so, that gives a start point

00:18:32  <LordAro> Lemons: ok, i'm afraid you're probably going to struggle with compiling then

00:18:56  <Lemons> ok

00:19:46  <LordAro> looks like raspbian buster only has 1.7.1, so you'd be out of luck there as well, i'm afraid

00:19:51  <LordAro> lemme see if i can find anything else

00:20:01  <Lemons> thx for helping btw

00:20:17  <Lemons> im kindof not verry experienced with this kind of stuff....

00:20:33  <Lemons> and neither is my typing...

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00:21:20  <LordAro> is no problem

00:22:07  <ST2> LordAro: Debian is now 9 (or was last time I checked) - we just didn't upgraded our servers because mono runs stuttering (we actually did on 1 machine - and made it back to 8 xD)

00:22:25  <LordAro> ST2: yeah, buster, or 9

00:22:29  <LordAro> heh

00:22:30  <ST2> :P

00:22:39  <ST2> minors ^^

00:23:57  <Lemons> in openttd download stable there is somthing saying Linux Debian Jessie (x86_64, 64bit)

00:24:09  <LordAro> Lemons: that won't work on a rasppi

00:24:12  <Lemons> oh

00:24:16  <LordAro> rasppi's use ARM architecture

00:24:47  <LordAro> Lemons: assuming you want to go down this road, some searching has turned up a program installed by default on Kano called "linux story"

00:25:00  <LordAro> this should teach you some terminal/commandline basics

00:25:13  <Lemons> yes

00:25:38  <ST2> does this instructions would help? https://wiki.openttd.org/Compiling_on_(GNU/)Linux_and_*BSD#Manually

00:25:42  <ST2> even on ARM?

00:25:57  <LordAro> ST2: that'll do it, but given "words ---> 0.0 ---->" ....

00:26:11  <ST2> and ofc, getting the sources, etc etc

00:26:33  <Lemons> im basicly saying i dont realy understand much tech stuff...

00:27:02  <LordAro> that's fine, everyone has to start from nothing at some point :)

00:27:11  <ST2> welcome to the club ^^

00:27:32  <LordAro> rasppi is generally an excellent place to start

00:28:40  <Lemons> im looking for the linux story

00:30:04  <ST2> to read later but, when getting sources, for 1.7.2, use: svn checkout svn://svn.openttd.org/tags/1.7.2

00:30:34  <LordAro> ST2: nah, download from the website

00:30:46  <ST2> other option too

00:30:50  <LordAro> easier than teaching about VCSs :p

00:30:59  <Lemons> any chance its called Terminal Quest?

00:31:10  <LordAro> Lemons: that'll be it

00:31:12  <Lemons> mk

00:31:35  <Lemons> mk

00:31:43  <Lemons> well i guess ill do that

00:31:55  <Lemons> brb in probably 10 - 20 min

00:33:22  <LordAro> i'll likely be asleep by then

00:34:13  <ST2> I'll be awake, but probably my directions he'll install PH-VR :P

00:34:24  <LordAro> ono

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00:37:47  <Lemons> allmost done...

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00:46:48  <supermop> @logs

00:46:48  <DorpsGek> supermop: https://webster.openttdcoop.org/index.php?channel=openttd

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01:00:31  <Samu> some of these events are misleading

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01:00:41  <Samu> ET_STATION_FIRST_VEHICLE

01:00:56  <Samu> i thought it was of any company, it's only of my company

01:02:09  <LordAro> Samu: well you don't get notifications of first vehicles at other people's companies

01:02:27  <LordAro> AIs (try to) have exactly the same amount of knowledge as human players do

01:02:51  <Samu> we do

01:03:13  <LordAro> hrm

01:03:13  <Samu> unless i'm missing something ...

01:03:16  <LordAro> maybe we do

01:03:19  <LordAro> it's been a while

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01:03:32  <Samu> gui settings?

01:03:58  <Samu> the AI chosen not to receive those news?

01:09:00  <Flygon> Are town 'root' tiles attached to the z axis?

01:09:10  <Flygon> Or the x and y one only?

01:12:39  <Samu> wtf i found a bug

01:12:53  <Samu> a zeppelin crashed on myai airport

01:13:05  <Samu> and the aircraft could still land on it

01:13:29  <LordAro> zeppelins are helicopters, aren't they?

01:13:38  <LordAro> don't think they stop the runway from being usable

01:13:46  <Samu> they're a disaster zepelin

01:13:53  <LordAro> oh, those

01:14:18  <Samu> disasters behave different for AIs?

01:14:30  <LordAro> i'd be extremely surprised

01:20:08  <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: there is no z axis

01:21:00  <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: the town has an X/Y coordinate, the Z coordinate is read from that tile for the purpose of drawing the town name

01:25:22  <Samu> case MP_RAILWAY: 			if (Company::IsHumanID(GetTileOwner(tile))

01:25:27  <Samu> that is so lame

01:25:45  <Samu> AI railways are not destroyed by ufo disasters

01:27:52  <LordAro> Samu: there are a certain number of things like that, just because it's excessively difficult for AIs to detect (and fix) such things

01:28:50  <Flygon> Eddi|zuHause: Thanks.

01:29:00  <Flygon> The town 'name' didn't elevate when I raised its tile, that is all.

01:29:08  <Flygon> Hence my confusion.

01:29:43  <Eddi|zuHause> did you change all 4 corners of the tile?

01:30:19  <Flygon> ...

01:30:26  <Flygon> Come to think of it, no.

01:30:33  <Flygon> I only raised three corners .

01:32:07  <Eddi|zuHause> so i just tried, the name doesn't move on terraforming

01:32:25  <Eddi|zuHause> but if you then destroy a house, it moves when it draws the new town population

01:32:29  <Flygon> Huh.

01:32:31  <Flygon> Alright.

01:32:34  <Flygon> Thanks. :3

01:32:44  <Eddi|zuHause> so likely the height is cached somewhere

01:33:18  <Samu> i got a zeppeliner crashing again, this time the aircraft could not land

01:34:59  <Samu> wondering if the aircraft was at the airport the first time it happened

01:37:17  <Samu> hmm nop

01:37:41  <Samu> must be a very rare situation when the zeppelin crashes at the same time an aircraft is taking off

01:37:59  <Samu> zeppelin sets the block

01:38:12  <Samu> aircraft taking off sets it off

01:38:39  <Samu> so when it comes to land again it will land even with zeppelin debris there, i think

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01:49:22  <supermop> maybe zepplin disaster should have to wait in holding pattern?

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01:54:11  <supermop> need better names for industrial trams

02:04:58  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: the disaster zeppelin cannot do a holding pattern, because it doesn't have rotational views

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03:05:49  <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: whats an old timey german nomenclature for machine models

03:06:09  <supermop> like 'type 24' or 'model B'

03:06:50  <supermop> something that a german works might name a machine in the 1800s

03:08:39  <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of machine?

03:08:48  <supermop> in this case a steam dummy

03:08:54  <supermop> tramway locomotive

03:09:23  <supermop> could be a number , or a name that sounds like something a new company might name their first engine

03:09:36  <Eddi|zuHause> so early steam engines just got names like "Adler" and "Saxonia", that carried on till the 1870s

03:09:58  <Eddi|zuHause> then the various railway companies started having model series

03:10:19  <supermop> so a person or place for the earliest, and then a number in the 1890s ish?

03:10:23  <Eddi|zuHause> which usually involved a letter and one or two numbers

03:11:05  <Eddi|zuHause> so the letter was something like "S", "G", "P", "T" denoting the usage of the engine

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03:11:23  <Eddi|zuHause> and the number was either some power stat or just the number of axles

03:11:28  <supermop> were there many tramway locomotives in germany?

03:11:49  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know much about tramway locomotives

03:12:45  <Eddi|zuHause> but, like trams now, they probably just enumerated them

03:13:25  <supermop> probably overthinking it with two fake german brands

03:13:29  <Eddi|zuHause> most trams were either horses or electric

03:14:09  <Eddi|zuHause> steam trams were mostly just regular steam engines with some casing around it

03:14:44  <supermop> these i am naming are basically that, small locomotives pulling wagons around harbors

03:16:53  <Eddi|zuHause> you might call them "T1" and "T2" or something

03:19:05  <supermop> 'vogel' sounds dumb for such a slow vehicle

03:24:23  <supermop> does 'Anfang' sound dumber for the first one?

03:36:46  <supermop> also as a matter of describing the vehicles to players, 'tramway train' sounds stupid

03:36:53  <supermop> 'boxcar tram' also

03:37:19  <supermop> 'tramway motor with boxcar train' much too verbose

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13:00:35  <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_work_: i don't think anybody would call an engine "Anfang"

13:01:00  <Eddi|zuHause> just pick two random animals or something

13:12:12  <Samu> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1202309#p1202309 this looks intersting

13:12:33  <Samu> too bad it's going into JGR build :(

13:12:44  <Samu> should go into Openttd itself

13:14:36  <Samu> https://wiki.openttd.org/AI:RoadPathfinder

13:14:55  <Samu> As with any library, before you can use it, you need to import it. You can do this by placing the following line at the top of your code

13:15:00  <Samu> well, which file?

13:15:03  <Samu> main.nut?

13:15:14  <Samu> it's not clear for a total noob

13:15:16  <LordAro> the one you use it in

13:15:40  <Samu> that's main.nut i guess

13:17:31  <Samu> couldn't find library 'pathfinder.road' with version 3

13:23:14  <Samu> where is this pathfinder.road library thing?

13:23:27  <Samu> bananas?

13:25:45  <Samu> yeah i found it

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14:08:33  <Samu> the index AIAbstractList does not exist :(

14:08:43  <Samu> what is it?

14:09:07  <Samu>   townlist.Sort(AIAbstractList.SORT_BY_VALUE, false);

14:15:56  <Samu> oh it's an API thing

14:17:46  <ST2> So, you started up asking about a GS and ended making an AI? good Samu :)

14:17:57  <Samu> yeah :(

14:18:13  <Samu> and my computer is still hanging, still unstable

14:18:32  <Samu> sucks when i'm in the middle of typing/coding/reading

14:18:44  <ST2> virus?

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14:20:59  <Samu> no

14:21:17  <Samu> it's an old issue, it happens from time to time

14:21:25  <Samu> for no apparent reason

14:21:47  <Samu> mobo complains about vga

14:22:35  <Samu> i don't know what it could be

14:22:37  <ST2> do like me, bought a double Xeon for 200 euros: 12 cores, 24 threads total :)

14:22:54  <Samu> could be PSU

14:23:00  <Samu> could be video card

14:23:03  <Samu> could be motherboard

14:23:10  <Samu> could be cpu, ram, etc.. etc...

14:23:12  <Samu> drivers

14:23:20  <Samu> dvi cable

14:23:24  <Samu> bah...

14:23:25  <ST2> or maybe software related ^^

14:23:44  <Samu> i just know one thing... this BIOS sucks

14:24:16  <vasatko> im starting with m4nfo, can you someone send mi m4nfo file (nfx) to ottd@vasatko.net? i cant see what must be in file

14:25:45  <Samu> i just pray it doesn't suck to the point of changing voltages of things... but it can't really detect the correct HyperTransport speed of my cpu... so...

14:25:59  <Samu> stupid rushed up product

14:29:17  <Samu> LordAro:   townlist.Sort(AIAbstractList.SORT_BY_VALUE, false); doesn't work for 1.7 API, but works for 1.0 API, how to make it 1.7 ready? :(

14:31:37  <Samu> use AIList instead says the changelog :8

14:31:40  <Samu> k lets try

14:32:39  <Samu> heh, it werks

14:32:55  <Samu> ty

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14:36:54  <LordAro> Samu: feel free to update the wiki :)

14:37:31  <Samu> me? no way, im noob, don't even know what i'm doing yet

14:37:43  <LordAro> well you can at least correct that :p

14:38:03  <Samu> no need to correct

14:38:03  <LordAro> given its been incorrect for 6 years or so..

14:38:14  <Samu> the guide is using 1.0 as API

14:38:31  <Samu> I forced my api choice to 1.7

14:38:35  <LordAro> true

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15:17:47  <supermop_work_> yo

15:22:14  <Samu> hi

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15:31:14  <Samu> oh yes... pathfinder went full retard https://imgur.com/lQUwz9E

15:40:55  <LordAro> Samu: haha

15:41:07  <LordAro> sounds like you need to fiddle with those hueristic values

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16:41:36  <supermop_work_> somehow the mop rv code i have at home is missing many of the changes in the latest version of the grf I have

16:41:51  <supermop_work_> where the hell did i write that stuff and where did it go

16:42:17  <supermop_work_> like all of the code for the purchase menu sprites for trams is not there

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17:00:21  <supermop_work_> I wonder - is the cargo age available for switches to use?

17:01:17  <supermop_work_> basically so slag in an open wagon or ladle gets fewer glowing orange bits the longer you haul it around?

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18:23:14  <Samu> i can't build a rail station with the ai

18:23:20  <Samu> am i really that noob?

18:24:01  <Samu> it builds the rail, but not the stations

18:31:02  <Samu> oh wow, nevermind, it built it

18:31:30  <Samu> but now it failed to build rail :)

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18:58:05  <Wolf01> o/

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19:26:13  <Samu> my ai sucks

19:26:26  <Samu> now I wanna make a gs

19:27:12  <Samu> gonna replace "AI" to "GS", see what happens

19:28:32  <LordAro> lol

19:28:50  <LordAro> pretty sure a GS can't make rails

19:30:28  <supermop_work_> LordAro: i think they can?

19:30:36  <andythenorth> who's drawing this for me?

19:30:36  <andythenorth> http://maritime-connector.com/image/toll-emperor-9355927/166483/

19:31:15  <supermop_work_> nice

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19:52:39  <Samu> woah... can't use while(true) in a game script, it's slowwwwwww

19:54:12  <LordAro> well... yeah

19:54:29  <Samu> i put some sleep

19:55:34  <Samu> eh... the thing doesn't stop, not even with pause

20:07:07  <Wolf01> supermop_work_, andythenorth: wetroads

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20:08:53  <andythenorth> :P

20:10:43  <Wolf01> 95 minutes to launch (SpaceX Falcon Heavy), grrrr I'm too much excited

20:11:39  <supermop_work_> Wolf01: i thought that was yesterday?

20:12:05  <Wolf01> No, today, and it was delayed of 2.5 hours

20:12:14  <Rubidium> again?

20:12:22  <Wolf01> Yeah, 21:45

20:12:38  <Wolf01> But Elon just did the "holy mouse click"

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20:19:08  <supermop_work_> andythenorth: i think the fear is that HAUL will somehow be hardcoded into NRT

20:19:14  <supermop_work_> or something

20:20:00  <Wolf01> Let's do it, really easy

20:20:03  <andythenorth> I am totally baffled

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20:21:34  <supermop_work_> nothing can probably be done. but for good measure we should allow maglevs to run on ROAD

20:22:13  <Wolf01> Luckily only Samu spotted that trucks could travel on rail bridges

20:26:30  <Samu> hi

20:32:34  <Samu> the index CURRENT_QUARTER doesnt' exist

20:33:10  <Samu> https://nogo.openttd.org/api/1.7.2/classGSCompany.html#a1278cdb787549987b105b8a7e2d0fa7

20:33:15  <Samu> it exists, it is there!

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20:47:05  <supermop_work_> someone took you at your word andy

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21:14:47  <Wormnest> Samu: are you sure you added the class name before CURRENT_QUARTER

21:15:51  <Wolf01> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSwFU6tY1c

21:16:07  <Samu> no idea

22:05:04  <Samu> whats the class name

22:07:49  <Samu> how do i get the value from a setting?

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22:10:58  <LordAro> Samu: look at that page again, what do you think the class name is?

22:11:19  <Wormnest> The class name should be on the api page where you found CURREN_QUARTER or else google it

22:11:52  <Samu> GSCompany

22:12:46  <Samu> GSCompany.GetQuarterlyCompanyValue(cid, 0)

22:12:58  <Samu> 0 works, but i wanted to make it look prettier

22:14:22  <Samu> GSCompany.GetQuarterlyCompanyValue(cid, CURRENT_QUARTER)

22:14:27  <Samu> doesn't work

22:15:15  <LordAro> it's a static class member

22:15:24  <LordAro> you should know how to refer to one of those

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22:15:48  <LordAro> (it just happens to also be an enum member)

22:16:15  <Wolf01> Ah, SpaceX, pure poetry

22:17:17  <LordAro> Wolf01: it really was

22:17:38  <Wolf01> I hope the core landed well too

22:17:52  <LordAro> 2/3 isn't bad

22:17:52  <Samu> the index Quarter doesn't exist

22:17:55  <LordAro> but aye

22:17:58  <Samu> local cv = GSCompany.GetQuarterlyCompanyValue(cid, Quarter.CURRENT_QUARTER)

22:18:15  <LordAro> Samu: what do you think Quarter is?

22:18:16  <Wolf01> Considering the boosters were even recycled ones

22:18:23  <LordAro> i.e., learn to read error messages

22:18:52  <LordAro> Samu: *class* member value

22:19:18  <Samu> GSCompany.Quarter.CURRENT_QUARTER ?

22:19:33  <Samu> i have no idea wtf they mean with class

22:20:38  <LordAro> ::

22:20:51  <LordAro> you've done this before

22:20:53  <Samu> ah, it works

22:20:56  <Samu> local cv = GSCompany.GetQuarterlyCompanyValue(cid, GSCompany.CURRENT_QUARTER)

22:21:01  <Samu> no more complaining

22:21:20  <LordAro> (squirrel & c++ are different languages, but they have their similarities)

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22:37:02  <Samu> how do i make a bool in squerril?

22:37:22  <Wolf01> You can't, you are doomed

22:38:05  <Samu> ah, local

22:38:11  <Samu> local does everything apparently

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22:42:49  <Samu> i'm not sure how this.Sleep works

22:42:53  <Samu> how does it stack

22:44:22  <Wolf01> I could show you how sleep work

22:45:27  <Samu> how do I break a while cycle?

22:46:05  <Wolf01> break; IMHO...

22:46:14  <Wolf01> Or use a control variable

22:46:46  <Samu> i'm utterly confused with all this

22:47:35  <LordAro> Samu: it's not entirely different from what you've bren doing in ottd itself, don't forget that

22:49:33  <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/pnqweidrz

22:49:35  <Samu> here's my code

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22:50:16  <Samu> ST2: success?

22:52:07  <ST2> kinda busy now - some players think that just because game is free and opensource, they can do whatever they want ^^

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22:55:49  <Samu> what an ugly GS

22:55:55  <Samu> 50 lines of code

22:56:31  <Samu> still better than the AI

23:01:27  <Wolf01> https://youtu.be/aBr2kKAHN6M proof that Earth isn't flat... and flying cars are there

23:03:14  <LordAro> Wolf01: fake news

23:04:10  <Samu> why does   function Load(version, data);

23:04:13  <Samu> require a ;

23:04:22  <Samu> all the others don't

23:05:23  <LordAro> the documentation implies it doesn't

23:05:50  <LordAro> but here you learn the difference between declaration and definition

23:06:30  <Samu> expression expected 6/2

23:06:37  <Samu> main.nut:6/2

23:06:52  <Samu> function Load(version, data);

23:07:02  <Samu> I mean function Load(version, data)

23:07:15  <Samu> with ; it won't complain

23:08:15  <LordAro> well then

23:08:21  <LordAro> guess you need the ;

23:08:31  <LordAro> what comes after it?

23:09:44  <Wolf01> this.Sleep()

23:09:48  <Wolf01> 'night

23:09:49  <Samu> nothing

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23:16:50  <Samu> cleaning up code, now it's like this

23:17:23  <Samu> ugly ugly!

23:17:40  <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/phvyja9wq

23:18:05  <Samu> oh, and the info.nut is like this

23:18:54  <Samu> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/ptsyp5qb2

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23:27:37  <Samu> can't make a .tar

23:27:40  <Samu> what am i doing wrong

23:27:47  <Samu> im using 7zip

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23:44:19  <Samu> nevermind, i got it

23:49:14  <Samu> horriblu!!!

23:50:13  <Samu> ST2: https://imgur.com/XLHNK2V :)

23:50:15  <Samu> lol

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