IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-12-07
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09:35:02 <PressureLine> I'd forgotten how much fun Metro 2033 is
09:45:38 <PressureLine> erm. should read questions properly
09:46:15 <PressureLine> it's actually very fun
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10:00:11 <PressureLine> although a bit silly in places
10:00:42 <PressureLine> like they went to all the trouble of setting up a massive environment in the 'Polis' station level
10:01:32 <PressureLine> but you pretty much just ride in, walk into a small room, talk to a few people then get kicked out the secondary entrace
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10:16:41 <crem> On a scale of funness from -4 to 14, -4 being the most fun, and 14 being the most boring, what would be its fun score?
10:17:10 <__ln__> is that a linear or logarithmic scale?
10:20:28 <crem> Mostly linear. There are logarithmic intervals occasionally, but they are rare. For example between 3.4 and 3.7 it goes logarithmic.
10:21:02 <crem> Actually, if it was logarithmic, it wouldn't have limits of -4 and 14.
10:27:00 <PressureLine> for an FPS (which aren't really my passion) i'd put it around -3.5
10:27:49 <PressureLine> more for the atmosphere and the stealth combat elements
10:28:20 <PressureLine> the few stand-up fights in the game are a bit too much "shoot at everything that moves until it stops moving"
10:32:53 <PressureLine> Monorail. Monorail. Monorail!
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14:09:15 <Borg> is there a server option.. to make ppl joining as spectator by default?
14:09:31 <Borg> its weird.. its not a default stuff. and u need to give #255 on command line or console
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14:48:07 <rowdog> I suppose it's old news but the www.tt-forums.net has and expired cert and since it uses HSTS, firefox refuses to even allow an exception
15:32:22 <Samu> tt-forums.net - this site is not safe, certificate error thing
15:32:31 <Samu> DLG_FLAGS_SEC_CERT_DATE_INVALID
15:32:53 <crem> Maybe that site should not be trusted anymore..
15:33:58 <Samu> i can't enter the site... microsoft Edge is too secure apparently
15:34:02 <crem> Renew a certificate. If you site owner.
15:35:32 <LordAro> i know exactly what's happened here
15:36:04 <LordAro> LetsEncrypt brought out a new EULA(?) a couple of months ago, that broke all autorenew scripts
15:36:09 <LordAro> so now the cert's expired
15:37:36 <Samu> damn edge, i really have no choice to view the site
15:37:47 <LordAro> Samu: it's not (really) Edge
15:38:05 <LordAro> the site uses HSTS, so it's doing the correct thing by not letting you view it
15:39:34 <Borg> thats what happens where ppl overuse HTTPS
15:42:53 <SpComb> yeah, the let's encrypt TOS thing was pretty annoying, most automation ends up hardcoding the TOS
15:43:32 <SpComb> I had to deal with that as well, acmetool stopped renewing LE certs
15:44:44 <SpComb> some tools don't seem to care as much about the ToS update, they seemed to just continue working
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16:24:10 <Borg> someone should update readme... forget compiling OpenTTD using gcc3.3
16:32:22 <Borg> cct0b4wF.s: Assembler messages:
16:32:22 <Borg> cct0b4wF.s:56: Error: no such instruction: `ptest %xmm0,%xmm2'
16:32:22 <Borg> cct0b4wF.s:61: Error: no such instruction: `ptest %xmm0,%xmm2'
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16:52:33 <Alberth> oh, how nice, tt-forums certifcate expired :p
16:59:34 <crem> I already expired once two hours ago, people were complaining.
17:02:57 <Alberth> no idea, probably it isn't fixed yet
17:04:21 <Alberth> the positive news is there is no spam today at tt-forums!
17:05:48 <crem> Maybe there is, it's just we don't see it yet.
17:24:03 <Borg> anyone know how to disable those dbg: messages ???
17:24:18 <Borg> well.. I can redirect stderr to dev null.... but its not nice..
17:24:44 <Alberth> don't build with debug messages :)
17:25:27 <Borg> so they are enabled by default?!!!
17:26:13 <Alberth> no idea, I always have a debug version
17:27:38 <Borg> okey, I found --enable-debug=0 configure
17:27:54 <Borg> also.. any way to disable console colors ?
17:28:08 <planetmaker> I think debug is default for everything which is not a tagged release version
17:28:29 <Borg> *** Game paused (number of players)
17:28:56 <Borg> anyway.. I have weird characters right before ***.. I see its colors in source code
17:29:00 <Borg> any way to get rid of them?
17:30:08 <Borg> well I can patch void NetworkTextMessage(...)
17:30:54 <planetmaker> Borg, but that messes your revision :)
17:31:19 <Borg> seems I have no choise.. because nobody from the developers heard about isatty()
17:31:52 <Alberth> some platforms don't understand that
17:32:41 <Borg> like there is no #ifndef _WIN32
17:34:27 <Alberth> isn't it better to patch the bridge to irssi?
17:35:56 <Borg> colors should be stripped actually
17:36:06 <Borg> printf(stdout, "%s%s\n", GetLogPrefix(), str);
17:36:16 <Borg> lets see what GetLogPrefix() feeds..
17:36:51 <Borg> Alberth: yeah, you are actually right.. it will be better to patch console.rb
17:37:03 <Borg> to strip any non ANSI char...
17:37:51 <Borg> daaa fuck.. I build with --enable-debug=0
17:41:13 <Borg> you are very usefull....
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17:53:24 <Borg> #if !defined(NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES)
17:57:06 <Borg> funny is.. I see no place where I can add it
17:57:20 <Borg> fucking nothing! to configure basic game defines...
18:03:45 <Borg> u cant even compile OpenTTD w/ NO_DEBUG_MESSAGES
18:03:56 <Borg> genworld.cpp:204:7: error: '_debug_desync_level' was not declared in this scope
18:05:35 <Borg> great guys.. just great :)
18:05:54 <Borg> hopefully.. there will be no much more such places..
18:17:42 <Borg> lets see if I finnally got rid of them
18:23:18 <Samu> i still can't visit the forum :( rip?
18:29:36 <Borg> got rid of that constrol codes too
18:29:50 <Borg> actually.. they were not colors.. but UTF-8 string format garbage
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18:57:49 <Wolf01> Only today I reported 5 bugs...
18:58:15 <Wolf01> I don't think they even tried the framework before shipping it
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20:21:50 <Eddi|zuHause> that somehow made it into a german news site as well recently
20:42:33 <andythenorth> broken SSL on forums?
20:53:09 <peter1138> Let's not bother to set it up automatically so it's a pain every 3 months...
20:54:00 <Eddi|zuHause> what's the rationale behind certificates expiring anyway?
20:54:38 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds equally undesirable as passwords expiring
20:54:38 <Rubidium> expiration of the 256 bit certificates of three decades ago?
20:56:09 <peter1138> It means there's less impact if the key is leaked.
20:56:45 <peter1138> It also encourages it to be done automatically instead of a manual process.
20:59:57 <andythenorth> we used to do so much SSL renewal
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21:58:54 <LordAro> peter1138: they updated their ToS a couple of months ago, which broke several autorenew scripts
22:08:39 <peter1138> When they decide to stop doing it, that'll break a few things.
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