IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-04-05
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00:01:41 <Samu> i really don't understand how opf works :( i thought i was doing something to help it, it became much slower now
00:23:06 <Wolf01> Shit, drawing a cube is difficult :(
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00:27:52 <ST2> Wolf01: you can always ask Samu - he'll make sure you use 90 corners on it :)
00:31:43 <Wolf01> I think they have a thing with that º...
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01:50:08 <ST2> I walways ask... just incase is a promotion xD
01:52:10 <peter1138> As in, degree symbol °, not spanish ordinal o º
01:52:42 <ST2> well, it all depends on what IRC client and server allows to go
01:53:17 <ST2> because I typed, on the 1st time, 90 (degrees)
01:53:41 <ST2> if anyone else didn't get it... I guess it's not my fault, right?
01:54:06 <peter1138> Not your fault you used the wrong symbol? Ok :)
01:54:28 <ST2> what was the wrong symbol?
01:54:56 <ST2> it wasn't the wrong symbol
01:55:18 <peter1138> you are spanish and were talking about the 90th corner
01:56:14 <ST2> I'm not spanish and I was talking about a corner with 90 degrees... not the 90th corner
01:56:34 <peter1138> Oh so you did mean 90° rather than 90º
02:01:31 <ST2> well, to be honest I'll make a 360 (degrees) turn
02:04:03 <ST2> was that a real 90 or a radius 90?
02:07:27 <peter1138> (I guess you have a silly font that renders º the same as °)
02:09:17 <ST2> because I dnt think you get the numbers I typed above
02:10:08 <ST2> is there a neutral IRC application to clear this out?
02:11:50 <ST2> oh wait, peter1138: what irc client you use?
02:12:36 <ST2> well, if you asked mine I would sent a link for download, as a cortesy
02:12:53 <peter1138> but all my terminals are utf8 as normal
02:13:40 <ST2> and the client I use to connect to it
02:14:00 <peter1138> ok so what unicode code point did you use
02:24:01 <ST2> now I can ask the real questions: the Split on road_gui.cpp between road and tram stations, does it have any intentions or was only a GUI thing? (not seeing notroadtypes)
02:24:31 <ST2> or probably trams couldn't make 90's?
02:27:01 <ST2> only wanted to see logs, if those and of yours had differences
02:28:14 <glx> I see only question marks in black squares
02:28:38 <ST2> glx, better tell that to peter1138 ^^
02:29:11 <glx> but peter1138's ° are clear for me :)
02:31:06 <ST2> was only a copy paste from what you typed ^^
02:31:36 <glx> seems you're not sending utf8 then
02:32:38 <glx> still black squared question marks
02:33:09 <glx> I see the same things in the logs
02:35:24 <ST2> ok, let me grab my Linux box, just to test:
02:36:21 <JusT> same guy here: 90º, ã, ç, ä
02:37:19 <ST2> so, I own an appoligies to all of you: sorry :)
02:37:50 <peter1138> Although it was still the wrong character for ° :p
02:38:38 <ST2> on the other machine and client, all shows correct
02:40:05 <ST2> dnt start now how I assumed your gender - 1st word was the matter :)
02:40:52 <glx> anyway there's no girls on internet ;)
02:41:19 <ST2> there are, but are FBI one... known xD
02:41:53 <ST2> there's many girls playing OpenTTD
02:42:39 <ST2> but probably I spend more time on my community that on code things ^^
02:43:47 <ST2> there's even a woman that's admin on a community
02:44:43 <peter1138> gosh! women exist! shocking!
02:45:08 <ST2> peter1138: more that you know
02:45:42 <ST2> note: still using old client, I'll try not to use symbols that confuse people :)
02:46:19 <peter1138> ST2, doesn't actually confuse anyway
02:46:35 <peter1138> ST2, just the pedants among us (all of us) will just keep correcting and annoying you :p
02:46:47 <peter1138> well, my wife, for instance. she's a woman.
02:46:50 <glx> as long as it's in ASCII range it will display fine
02:47:15 <ST2> peter1138: your wife, what's her nickname on OpenTTD games?
02:47:28 <peter1138> oh she doesn't play ottd
02:48:14 <ST2> so, do you know any actual woman that play OpenTTD?
02:48:33 <peter1138> i know woman who have played it, yes
02:49:04 <ST2> that wasn.t my question ^^
02:50:01 <peter1138> as for people who play ottd, i don't know any one
02:50:07 <peter1138> it's like minecraft
02:50:10 <peter1138> everyone *used* to play it
02:50:59 <peter1138> they are not people i know though
02:51:06 <ST2> if a tournament won by a team, one was a woman
02:52:48 <peter1138> my comment of "gosh! women exist! shocking!" was more aimed at you writing "even a woman"
02:52:49 <ST2> yeah, I know, Communities are the Public Affairs for the game :)
02:53:56 <ST2> "was more aimed at you writing "even a woman"" - yeah, because Fathers Day Tourny was won... by a woman xD
02:54:16 <peter1138> do women not have fathers?
02:55:12 <ST2> as we say, on slang: woman knowns for sure - the man gueeses
02:56:42 <ST2> just to ask: when I type here: it's
02:57:02 <ST2> appears any weird character?
02:58:24 <supermop_home> is there no Wikipedia in india?
03:00:05 <supermop_home> I feel like 90% of what I read on quora is trivia, minutia, etc asked by young indian students about indian day-to-day affairs
03:01:14 <supermop_home> and I generally find quora worthless, but this window into what some random 15 year old is wondering about municipal issues in Delhi is sort of the only redeeming part of it
03:01:53 <ST2> no worries supermop: hopefully you, at home, your wife dnt read we're talking about women
03:02:19 <supermop_home> I am sure she would not give a shit
03:02:29 <supermop_home> rather she would roll her eyes
03:04:06 <ST2> because if she dn.t care... it's because she dnt read this xD
03:04:20 <ST2> and there... you.re safe xD
03:05:24 <supermop_home> I mean, I haven't said anything I'd want to hide from her, neither here nor elsewhere
03:07:02 <supermop_home> she did really give me a hard time for the indenting on nml blocks I wrote in unspooled though
03:07:14 <ST2> last 2 lines have less "neithers" that a 5 second talk to a wife xD
03:07:45 <supermop_home> so generally i'd prefer she didn't look and code I struggle to write
03:07:52 <supermop_home> as it would be too embarassing
03:11:26 <ST2> what I was trying to say: here among some devs, probably not notice the "work" some peasants have on keeping game alive
03:14:18 <ST2> what pages you use to keep a track on it?
03:16:58 <supermop_home> to keep a track on servers? I don't keep track of them
03:17:44 <ST2> supermop: maybe you don't have a server running and don't care
03:18:13 <supermop_home> probably accurate, unless there is one in this apartment I am unaware of
03:18:15 <ST2> but, OpenTTD image outside it's there
03:19:01 <ST2> because I think this is not a game to look into your belly
03:21:00 <supermop_home> I have my insurance pay a gastroenterologist to do that if need be
03:21:24 <ST2> we're talking about OpenTTD, I think ^^
03:31:19 <supermop_home> well I forgot kettle was on the stove and boiled off half the water I was making for tea
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08:15:46 <peter1138> my kettle turns itself off...
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10:03:33 <Wolf01> I hope to not catch it and become a Wolf453000 zombie too
10:06:38 <Wolf01> The next year april fool for OTTD needs to be something impressive
10:14:16 <Arveen453000> there was one this year ?
10:15:20 <Arveen453000> ah ok, seen this on reddit i think
10:15:34 <Wolf01> Still not sure if we won't remove them for real
10:15:49 <Wolf01> The temptation is strong
10:23:07 <Arveen453000> i just use them every now and then to repair rivers i destroyed accidently
10:24:17 <Wolf01> Rivers shouldn't be so easy to destroy
10:26:57 <Arveen453000> yeah i like rivers, thats why always repair or reroute them
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11:04:01 <Wolf01> I can't understand why is it so difficult to generate an hash in c#
11:06:46 <Wolf01> Any.. SHA1, MD5... I need an unique identifier to save if a feed item was read
11:07:35 <peter1138> using (var ha = new SHA1Managed()) return ha.ComputeHash(byteArray);
11:08:20 <Wolf01> Like if it was referenced
11:09:10 <Wolf01> I only have Windows.Security.Cryptography.Core
11:09:30 <Wolf01> But I can't understand how to use the provider
11:09:47 <peter1138> System.Security.Cryptography missing?
11:10:02 <crem> Cryptographical primitives are hard to use correctly.
11:10:45 <peter1138> crem, not really. it's hard to get encryption right because it's more than just algorithm, but hashing is another matter.
11:13:15 <crem> Depends on why the hash is needed. For example both for MD5 and (since recently) SHA1 it's possible to construct a hash collision, so for many uses it's bad.
11:13:32 <crem> When using as a base of HMAC it's still fine though.
11:14:22 <crem> but if using not for cryptographical reasons it's probably fine
11:14:50 <peter1138> like ottd's use of md5
11:15:57 <Wolf01> I should use a decorator and get the object hash of the feed model
11:16:45 <Wolf01> I hope it won't change with hidden stuff I can't know
11:25:31 <Wolf01> No shit Sherlock, I have readonly fields and interfaces don't like those, and UI doesn't like methods
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11:33:07 <DanTheUkMan> hey any one about
11:34:24 <peter1138> i have no idea what uwp is
11:34:42 <Wolf01> Universal Windows Platform
11:34:43 <peter1138> all my c# is done with mono :)
11:35:19 <DanTheUkMan> just downloaded the game
11:36:01 <DanTheUkMan> ik how to play it as i had the orignal chris sawer vertion on win 95
11:36:16 <DanTheUkMan> tbh this looks a lot like it
11:36:46 <crem> It has lots of improvements in details.
11:37:09 <DanTheUkMan> but i wana know if u can sugest and addons and tbh it annoing tht i cant turn the map
11:37:25 <crem> The most important ones are still probably advanced railroad signals.
11:38:41 <DanTheUkMan> i just started an online map if anyone wana join feel free
11:40:39 <crem> btw few years ago I checked multiplayer games and there were tons of them, like around hundred. And this weekend I checked and there was only 1. Is it changed, or I just don't know where to look?
11:40:46 <peter1138> sorry i'm working now
11:41:20 <DanTheUkMan> lol ikr crem i had tht also i call the game my name
11:41:46 <crem> I'm at work now as well, so cannot join.
11:44:00 <DanTheUkMan> i hopein the make add a turn map left or right button make thing a lot easer
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11:46:51 <_dp_> There are 79 clients, 277 IPv4 servers and 53 IPv6 servers.
11:49:51 <_dp_> crem, oh, I know, did you set "advertised" to "yes" when looking for servers in game?
11:50:13 <DanTheUkMan> dunno tbh never done online befor
12:01:08 <peter1138> map rotation is unlikely to ever happen as it would need more graphics
12:01:44 <peter1138> but there are loads of transparency options if you can't see stuff
12:02:21 <DanTheUkMan> well ok ye i see tht but why would addin a button need more graghics
12:02:54 <peter1138> not for button (although it would) but for lots of things on the map
12:04:15 <peter1138> unless you meant minimap. hmm.
12:07:30 <DanTheUkMan> na for example when i play rollercoaster tycoon i can rotate the map makes things easer but like u said if there transparency tht might help
12:33:21 <crem> _dp_: I tried both yes and no, and nothing changed. Possibly there is some "refresh" button that I had to press, but there was no obvious one.
12:38:32 <_dp_> crem, no refresh, just advertised:yes then "find server". If it's not working then idk, mb some firewall isuue. Definitely on your side though as there are tons of servers.
12:39:12 <crem> Ok, will try again then in the evening.
13:41:47 <DanTheUkMan> sorry crem was busy m8
13:42:32 <DanTheUkMan> i will set one up later and try do a private server if u have trouble finin a normal one
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14:56:25 <DorpsGek> dihedral: Belugas was last seen in #openttd 4 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <Belugas> yeah, a birthday :) a good friend of mine!
14:56:44 <dihedral> and he was never seen since!
14:57:34 <Wolf01> Bots are a special kind of stupid
14:58:38 <dihedral> And I always thought it was TrueBrain who had nothing else to do :-P
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19:17:13 <debdog> nich mal bei lego hält der ICE wegen 'ner Milchkanne
19:19:15 <Alberth> lego is universal if you add a picture :p
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20:12:18 <Alberth> I guess brix is supposed to be used with nuts, eh? :)
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20:20:33 <Wolf01> Ahahah from my lego group, about that video "the wagons in those curves scream for vengeance"
20:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> debdog: so what happens if you rebuild Wolfsburg in lego?
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20:54:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ... we did that in kindergarten
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21:18:18 <Alberth> short horse might fit better :)
21:20:42 <andythenorth> I mean actual hobby horses
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23:01:02 <supermop> more alpine foundries?
23:01:44 <supermop> all mines an forest only build inside cities replacing houses. all bulk terminals must be at max height
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