IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2017-02-01
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01:34:40 <markasoftware> what are your favorite transport simulation games?
01:37:10 <supermop> not a lot of selection out there
01:38:14 <markasoftware> that's probably my favorite
01:38:25 <supermop> probably most people in this channel would agree
01:38:26 <markasoftware> are there really any other ones at all?
01:38:38 <markasoftware> apart from original ttd
01:38:49 <markasoftware> i remember playing some "railroad tycoon 3" a long time ago
01:38:49 <supermop> think so but I haven't played them
01:39:16 <supermop> most of the people who play transport fever are not online at the moment
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03:43:50 <supermop> ive mostly been just working, but also messing around making generative tiny buildings in rhino
03:44:03 <supermop> maybe there is a newgrf idea in there
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04:35:20 <markasoftware> damn, that looks cool
04:35:33 <markasoftware> looks similar to openttd in a lot of ways
04:36:05 <markasoftware> early access is very soon
04:36:08 <markasoftware> ill have to keep a watch on that
04:37:20 <Lejving> it got serious potential if you ask me, guy is like almost chris sawyer #2
04:37:33 <Lejving> it's written entirely in c++ on his own engine
04:41:49 <markasoftware> i mean, it shows dedication that he wrote his own engine
04:41:58 <markasoftware> this game could've fit very well into unity or ue4
04:42:08 <markasoftware> maybe he just finds it fun
04:43:31 <Lejving> got a lot more potential for greatness with his own engine too though I guess
04:43:37 <Lejving> higher risk better reward
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09:03:49 <peter1138> yeah but is it only trains? :(
09:09:46 <crem> I wish it also had submarines! There was no good submarine sim recently. Actually, the only decent sims don't run under modern oses. :(
09:11:10 <crem> Nope, it's not for dos. It's for windows with 16-bit color mode. And windows starting from 8 doesn't support that.
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12:10:55 <peter1138> good job git is decentralised
12:11:09 <peter1138> (of course this issue wasn't about the repos)
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15:25:58 <Wolf01> Mmmh, minecraft command blocks are evil
15:40:36 <V453000> Do you even automate?
15:55:11 <supermop__> no one makes a good looking case for surface book
15:56:44 <Wolf01> V453000, that's what I'm trying to do
15:58:46 <Wolf01> It's already a pita to make it do something when a test fail
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19:06:24 <Lejving> I'm trying to load very old save files, and it gives me error sometimes... is there a mode or setting or anything that I can use to like load even with errors?
19:06:43 <Lejving> all info I need from the game is signs
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19:18:12 <Alberth> errors as in missing newgrf?
19:18:48 <Alberth> if so, find the newgrf :)
19:23:49 <Lejving> no errors as in game errors
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19:29:39 <Lejving> I'm trying to load old save files
19:31:42 <glx> maybe too old and needing more than one conversion
19:32:43 <Lejving> well it uses some weird ass folder that I don't even ahve on my computer
19:32:49 <Lejving> so dunno wtf is up with that
19:32:50 <frosch123> Lejving: if you want an easy solution, try loading it with an intermediate old version of ottd first
19:33:12 <frosch123> when that loads, resave with different filename and climb up the versions
19:33:13 <glx> anyway error when loading some stuff in a pool, can be related to vehicles, industries, towns, ...
19:34:14 <glx> you could check savegame version with the right debug level I think
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19:36:22 <Lejving> guess this'll have to wait :)
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19:44:04 <glx> just start openttd with -dsl1 before trying
19:44:40 <glx> and it should say "Loading savegame version xx"
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19:53:16 <andythenorth> it’s probably on-topic even :P
19:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: this article is more about about how the conservative forces backed hitler's grab for power, not believing all the racist and whatever talks he gave, and expected to be able to control him once he was in power
19:56:50 <andythenorth> the counter example is Mussolini
19:57:15 <andythenorth> over time, history will tell us which is the more incorrect analogy
19:57:51 <Eddi|zuHause> history tells lots of things, most of them untrue
19:58:09 <Eddi|zuHause> or highly exaggerated
19:58:10 <andythenorth> my point was we won’t know until it’s history, but yes
19:59:28 <andythenorth> the default expectation is that extreme politicians are operating overton window
19:59:46 <andythenorth> whereas Bannon (via Trump) has removed the window
20:00:04 <andythenorth> and is simply implementing the previously unthinkable
20:02:12 <andythenorth> does looking at train photos resist fascism, or enable it?
20:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there exists an unhealthy dose of everything
20:03:35 <supermop__> andythenorth: idioms would suggest enable
20:04:00 <supermop__> presumably you need the train to be there at the expected time to photograph it
20:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> does fascism make trains more on time?
20:05:50 <supermop__> likely no but colloquially people, seem to think it does
20:07:16 <supermop__> so someone wanting to see train photos may subtly be nudged towards being more accepting of a paradigm in which 'common sense' feels like may produce more effiecient running of trains
20:07:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, i visited a german train forum once, and it was filled with right-wing people
20:08:42 <andythenorth> subjectively, train fans are more likely to have voted Brexit :P
20:09:09 <berndj> what distance matters in determining cargo rates - manhattan, cartesian, or route distance?
20:09:10 <supermop__> andythenorth: sort of the basis of my thinking there
20:09:28 <Eddi|zuHause> manhattan distance between the station signs
20:09:43 <supermop__> i consider myself to be more of a fan of the tracks rather than the trains
20:09:50 <supermop__> for various reasons
20:09:53 <berndj> ah so that's why going diagonal is apparently so profitable?
20:10:25 <berndj> pity it uses up so much land!
20:11:40 <berndj> andythenorth: "defenestration"!
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20:14:19 <Milek7_> in my country unregistered sim cards will stop working tommorow :(
20:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> berndj: defenestration is so 17th century...
20:15:38 <frosch123> were there ever unregistered sim cards here?
20:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Milek7_: all that will do is create a black market for registered-to-someone-else sim cards?
20:18:15 <berndj> ok i'm giving in to the craving, playing a little game
20:19:06 <berndj> Eddi|zuHause, here in south africa it's a totally open secret that you can just walk in and buy "pre-registered" cards
20:19:24 <Milek7_> or maybe imported from other ue country where registration is not required
20:19:53 <berndj> maybe not from the big-name stores, but from the spaza shop type cell phones / accessories / repairs shops
20:26:11 <__ln__> 'unregistered' as in something you can buy anonymously without providing your name or other details?
20:26:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, that's what that means
20:29:25 <__ln__> i've had one or two of such over the years
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20:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i've only ever had 2 sim cards, one my parents had to show their ID for, and one that my boss gave me (and runs on the company's name i presume)
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20:33:14 <frosch123> my second sim card expired yesterday or so
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22:19:22 <supermop_> my sim card is for a state i no longer live in, so its hard to call my senators
22:34:33 <Eddi|zuHause> how that? they filter for numbers with their own area code?
22:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> that's easier in germany, because cell phones have special area codes not actually associated with an area
22:35:37 <supermop_> harder to convince them that you are actually their constituent and not just someone in a different state
22:37:09 <supermop_> although i guess my 'home' state senator is more of swing vote than my current state
22:37:44 <supermop_> Eddi|zuHause: unfortunately my first three are for pre-2003
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22:38:20 <supermop_> 2003-2008 was a different state than then or now
22:39:07 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop_: what? a random comedic drawing does not accurately represent the whole world?
22:39:22 <supermop_> its a huge existential crisis!
22:39:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm shocked. SHOCKED.
22:40:24 <supermop_> also randall and i are of similar age, younger people will have a different pattern
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23:49:16 <supermop_> maybe there should be a base set lit as in late afternoon early evening instead of night or 10 am
23:49:27 <supermop_> everything looks good 4-6pm
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