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16:20:13  <Alberth> hi hi

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16:25:22  <Marvinyo> Hi everyone! Can anyone help me with OpenTTD's Timetable with shared orders mechanism? How to "recalculate" on an alredy active line, just because I'm added more vechiles? Simple ctrl+click doesn't seems to work correctly, it doesn't organize the vechiles according to their position to the station/loading bay.

16:27:35  <Marvinyo> (sry for the typos, English isn't my native language)

16:30:54  <Alberth> vehicles should be able to pass each other

16:31:12  <Alberth> at least at one station, preferably at more stations

16:32:00  <Alberth> you did add some slack in the time table? otherwise they can never catch up if they are late

16:38:08  <Marvinyo> Yes, I added a slack, rounding up to the nearest 5 between the stations, and 3 days at each the station (I'm using a newGRF that adds horses to the game, it's enough). But seems like they never catch up, and because almost all is late, they are always behind each other. And it seems the game organizes it randomly, so I can't even minimize the "lateness".

16:39:41  <Marvinyo> Yes, they are slow, but the only method is to wait? Isn't there an "every vehicle's next stop should be the first, and then issue the "ctrl-click on the start date", or something like this?

16:40:04  <Marvinyo> Maybe I'm just doing it completely wrong. :-)

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16:43:16  <supermop_> its tough with horses

16:43:51  <supermop_> currently articulated (bendy) road vehicles cannot pass or use dead end stops

16:44:20  <supermop_> so the only way to pass is a drive through stop where they can circle around from the other side

16:45:11  <supermop_> but if they are immediately following the vehicle ahead, the path finder will not predict that the stop will be occupied, so they will never circle around

16:46:12  <supermop_> usually with articulated RVs you will find one on time vehicle with one or more late ones immediately behind, that can never pass

16:46:28  <Alberth> What you need to check is whether the lateness of the vehicles reduces

16:46:53  <supermop_> Alberth: with described situation it never will

16:47:08  <Alberth> and you really need to make several platforms next to each other, or they cannot pass each other

16:47:25  <Alberth> ^ I mentioned that before already :)

16:48:33  <Marvinyo> I tried with trains at an other instance of a game, but the problem persisted for tens of years, without a significant reduce of lateness.

16:49:00  <supermop_> because the on time RV will keep those behind it permanently late and pathfinder will not take alternate platform at a drive through stop unless the preferred platform is already occupied by time late rv reaches the junction to decide which platform

16:49:04  <Alberth> then the slack isn't enough, or they cannot pass often enough

16:49:38  <Alberth> supermop_:  ah, right, good point

16:49:49  <supermop_> with articulated RVs its very hard to allow out of order to pass to get into correct order

16:49:55  <Alberth> so you need to stop the late vehicle a bit, so it can pick the other platform

16:50:13  <Alberth> *second vehicle

16:50:33  <supermop_> Alberth: with trams i often send the on time vehicle briefly into depot to allow late vehicle to pass

16:50:59  <Alberth> could work too :)

16:51:16  <supermop_> Marvinyo: with trains it should work so long as you have enough slack, but with RVs over the years I've found you need to be very careful

16:51:28  <Marvinyo> Yeah but with dozens of vechile... that's a little bit problematic. So there is no tip or trick to at least minimize the issue?

16:51:45  <Alberth> improve the code?  :)

16:51:50  <supermop_> make absolutely sure when starting them out of depot that you start them in correct order

16:51:55  <Alberth> not exactly trivial to do, I am afraid :(

16:52:03  <supermop_> Marvinyo: try with hundreds of vehicles

16:52:08  <supermop_> ;P

16:52:19  <Alberth> or don't bother doing time tabling

16:52:20  <Marvinyo> supermop_: Much better feeling :-D

16:52:21  <supermop_> Marvinyo: here is what  i do

16:53:08  <supermop_> make sure no order is 'full load'

16:53:23  <Alberth> make wiki page?

16:53:33  <supermop_> with trams be careful about start order

16:53:46  <Marvinyo> There is no problem, when it is a new line, and every vehicle comes from the depot. The problem is, when I just want to incrase the number of vehicles on the line.

16:54:05  <supermop_> Marvinyo: thats also hard

16:55:01  <supermop_> one thing i do sometimes with bendy vehicles is timetable only the start, easier to add

16:55:11  <supermop_> give me one sec and ill make a screen to show

16:56:08  <Marvinyo> I either use timetable (passenger, mail) or full load(any other cargo), never both. The latter works good for other cargo, but a timetable is a much needed for correct passenger transit. (And more reallistic too)

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18:01:52  <Alberth> o/

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18:15:06  <Alberth> hi hi

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18:17:45  <frosch123> hoi

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18:32:39  <andythenorth> o/

18:39:07  <Wolf01> o/

18:39:27  <Wolf01> Giving ideas to andy for a plane set http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/aRKYKnB_460s.jpg

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19:18:19  <supermop_> oh the guy left

19:18:31  <supermop_> oops

19:18:34  <supermop_> http://imgur.com/a/yICT5

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20:14:27  <andythenorth> no planes

20:14:29  <andythenorth> planes are done

20:16:43  <frosch123> ecranoplanes

20:16:55  <andythenorth> NotWaterTypes :P

20:16:56  <andythenorth> or bust

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20:17:49  <frosch123> convert "shallow water" to "deep water"

20:18:51  <frosch123> not water types is a bit silly

20:18:59  <frosch123> only slightly less silly than air types

20:19:01  <andythenorth> NotSureWhatIt’sFor

20:19:07  <andythenorth> NotGood

20:19:10  <andythenorth> NotNeeded

20:19:20  <andythenorth> NotContinuingThis :P

20:19:29  * andythenorth pays annual tax bill

20:25:32  <andythenorth> the nml fork probably needs cleaning up

20:25:36  <andythenorth> and review

20:26:46  <frosch123> same for the ottd fork :)

20:27:01  <frosch123> coding style is not folllowed in all places

20:27:05  <frosch123> lots of "this->" missing

20:28:33  <andythenorth> who can review nml?

20:28:39  <andythenorth> is there anyone left? :D

20:29:11  <frosch123> alb*ert can review everything :)

20:29:38  <frosch123> always kicking people to properly document stuff :)

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21:51:44  <Alberth> :)

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