IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2016-03-10
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00:58:55 <drac_boy> heh I've seen a few photos..I'm not sure I really like the wrap-over windshield style but mm
01:01:16 <sim-al2> Now that's a small picture...
01:01:56 <sim-al2> Always has looked really, really weird
01:05:44 <drac_boy> funny whiskers tho :)
01:06:01 <drac_boy> the other end of that same train has a slightr elevated image (the eyes are in windows instead)
01:07:45 <sim-al2> I'm not sure where that character is from, I was going to guess Anpanman, but not sure
01:10:27 <drac_boy> well you just found a "theres a prototype for everything!" photo ;)
01:11:09 <drac_boy> one of the kalbmach Trains issue once ran a photo of a small centercab diesel locomotive hauling a gondola converted into open-top tour coach and then behind that was a budd rdc
01:11:14 <sim-al2> Kintetsu, a rather major player around Osaka
01:11:34 <drac_boy> talk about two light diesels on a single tourist train heh
01:12:16 <sim-al2> I assume that most RDCs are not run on their own engines anymore, barring significant overhaul work
01:12:38 <sim-al2> Tons were converted to be regular coaches by the MBTA and others
01:12:54 <drac_boy> oh yeah weird one for some people but there was once a "what the...." titled photo of an excursion geep stopped with one rather big tumbleweed stuck to its pilot .. caption said a few passengers were summoned to help clear this off so the train could continue on its way
01:13:32 <drac_boy> I imagine it was around calfornia probably
01:15:47 <drac_boy> ex-emu? wouldn't surprise me at that clever reuse
01:17:14 <drac_boy> actually (and probably long before OSHA ever existed too) a few of these spindly light electric railroads in usa basically just took a flatcar that wasn't being used and hammer a wooden cab or two onto it then put up trolleypoles on the roof .. presto, crude work motor :)
01:18:22 <sim-al2> The big metal thing under the locomotive is the rail that the linear motor pulls on
01:19:05 <sim-al2> Appearently, using a linear motor helped allow smaller rolling stock, important for the very deep level Oedo line, which even then still cost a lot of money to bore
01:26:46 <drac_boy> aha yeah thats exactly the kind of cab-over-flat-wagon I was thinking of ^ .. just no wooden cab tho :)
01:28:52 <drac_boy> btw not exactly like you get a lot of photos of them but one particular ex-electric line I recall also had a heavyweight combine ... with one end's platform and steps rather somewhat noticeably bent more than 10 degree off from one too many downgrade "bang into someone else on the same track" hard couplings
01:29:21 <drac_boy> I always thought the passengers wisely used the other steps instead heh
01:29:42 <drac_boy> (it was a point to point railroad so the same end was always facing the downhill grade btw)
01:30:48 <drac_boy> btw you remind me...one moment trying find a rack railway name again...
01:36:42 <drac_boy> yet another pre-workerregulations thing heh
01:37:27 <sim-al2> Well, with low voltages that might be ok, although very little room for error
01:37:46 <sim-al2> Assuming that the roof is grounded to the rails
01:38:19 <drac_boy> 3000V 50HZ wiki says (early ac I believe)
01:38:52 <sim-al2> Yeah, three-phase system too, but it only takes a connection between two phases to get a current
01:39:46 <sim-al2> The rails carry the third (somewhat like a regular system, where the rails are the ground side)
01:40:38 <drac_boy> if we're going to nitpick about feeds .. how about the london system? I'm not sure but I think its the only well known 4-rails system
01:42:03 <sim-al2> That's special though, with the fourth rail at a negative voltage
01:42:51 <sim-al2> Those trains can actually run on regular third rail too
01:51:54 <drac_boy> theres one more thing about the london tube too....I can't find a photo now but theres these L16 battery locomotives in top-n-tail with a gravel/trash train being hauled by some random diesel or electric locomotive on the normal mainlines 0_o
01:52:18 <drac_boy> guess they just found it easier than moving the locomotives off somewhere else and take the wagons alone
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02:07:34 <sim-al2> It's possible that the LU still has vaccum brakes on those things
02:09:28 <sim-al2> Errr, nevermind they are air
02:10:17 <sim-al2> The thing is, they need 3rd or 4th rail to run very far, as the batteries aren't made for high-speed usage
02:11:48 <drac_boy> wiki keeps mentioning single and dual compressors so I imagine the newer ones are purely air/electric operations anyway :)
02:13:21 <sim-al2> I assume the air compressor thing is: normally, a lone locomotive would need to stop and apply the handbrake immediatly if the air compressor fails, as the air for the brake cylinders is coming directly from the main reservoir
02:13:55 <sim-al2> With a train, that's not as serious a problem, as the train brakes are fail-safe against that, and can stop the whole thing
02:14:54 <sim-al2> Usually, there's a safety valve that can hold the brake cylinders against a loss of air, but it's not guarenteed in the same way a full automatic brake circuit is
02:15:14 <drac_boy> reminds me of some rather basic 0-4-0T and 0-6-0T that umm ... would scare anyone at the federal offices nowaday because guess what? the only brakes are either setting the throttle backward and/or wagon handbrakes :->
02:15:40 <sim-al2> Railcars that are used singlley often have dual air circuits, like a car
02:16:12 <sim-al2> Hmmm, even the earliest locomotives had a wood block for braking
02:16:18 <drac_boy> there was actually one 0-4-0T that used to be used for a short but hilly line, it had no air system, no headlight, noone thought of a whistle either (funny enough it did still have a rope bell), etc
02:17:00 <drac_boy> its still preserved in excursion order but with a lot of modern thigns added including even a turbogenerator
02:17:28 <sim-al2> Industrial railways, especially the near minimum gauges ones, often had much less complicated equipment
02:17:48 <sim-al2> Since they aren't going fast anyway, corners can be cut :D
02:17:58 <drac_boy> you still have to ask how a 0-4-0T could come downhill with several handbrakes-only wagons tho :-s
02:18:14 <sim-al2> Need a guy on one or more wagons to put the brakes on
02:18:43 <sim-al2> And off, sorta like how railways did before automatic brakes
02:19:04 <sim-al2> Although, with a short train, hand signals could be used
02:19:20 <drac_boy> there were only three crew on that train: passenger conductor, engineer, fireman
02:19:54 <sim-al2> Alternatively, the locomotive itself could handle all the braking, assuming enough weight to hold the train
02:20:18 <drac_boy> btw if you do want a big use of hand brakes you should look at the Devil Pass (or was it Devil Hill?) train ... old ex-usa baldwin steam locomotives with many old wagons making the tough zig-zag route with tons of whistling
02:20:37 <sim-al2> Using the steam in reverse is certainly possible, but risks damage to the rods if not done with care
02:22:43 <drac_boy> ah its actually Devil Nose .. in ecuador area
02:22:57 <drac_boy> lot of wooden boxcars still in use too apparently
02:25:05 <drac_boy> either way sorry if you had more to say but I'm going off for tonight - see you some another time ok? :)
02:26:47 <sim-al2> Hmm, that have a more modern railcar too
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15:54:51 <argoneus> good morning train friends
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20:12:49 <andythenorth> why would the ogfx smoke run slower than original TTD smoke?
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20:56:13 <Rubidium> perception, different sprite size, ...?
21:13:24 <V453000> because it's shit? :P
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22:41:29 <_johanne1> does someone know a trick how to let trains run to a station and entering it from one *specified* site? without modifying the topology/signals etc?
22:42:58 <_johanne1> maybe any idea how to add such an order in the source code?
23:10:50 <FLHerne> _johanne1: No such thing in stock OTTD, just waypoints
23:11:47 <FLHerne> What sort of order would that look like anyway? How would you specify it?
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