IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-10-31
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00:20:07 <Aaron_> Maybe you guys can helpme.
00:20:44 <Aaron_> Im looking for a original 1.3.2 download. As the 4.4's have seem to completly gotten ride of some key reference files
00:21:38 <Aaron_> Something, I have tried fixing the issue with no luck, but i havent dabbled in open TTD source much.
00:22:25 <Aaron_> Ill show you an example shortly.
00:24:52 <Aaron_> As you can see, and this is with versions 1.4.3 and 1.4.4, Not exactly sure what happened
00:25:15 <Sylf> I'm not sure what you're trying to show us as a problem
00:27:05 <Aaron_> I feel like an idiot. I found my issue.
00:27:36 <Aaron_> Sometime between updateing from 1.3.2 to 1.4.3 transparency settings were enabled.
00:28:07 <Aaron_> Most likely. Well thanks, im so sorry for wasting your time Sylf.
00:28:26 <Sylf> you're welcome and don't worry
00:28:50 <Aaron_> Well heres a good question, and im sure ill find it in the Update notes somewhere.
00:29:00 <Aaron_> What happened to Monorail options?
00:29:21 <Sylf> Are you playing with any NewGRF(add-on)s?
00:29:48 <Aaron_> Yes, Lemme guess.... They disabled monorail options?
00:30:07 <Sylf> many train sets don't have monorails or maglevs
00:30:35 <Aaron_> Thats the od part, i have the Maglev, but no monorail.
00:30:40 <Aaron_> Thats the odd part, i have the Maglev, but no monorail.
00:31:09 <Sylf> sets like NARS or UKRS have some maglevs
00:31:59 <Sylf> NARS provides standard rail trains and maglevs.
00:32:09 <Sylf> Maglev selection in NARS is slim.
00:32:31 <Sylf> Either pax/mail only, or... maybe it has goods maglevs.
00:32:46 <Sylf> That's about it. Same goes for UKRS 3.04
00:33:07 <Aaron_> We talking about the same NARS?
00:33:30 <Sylf> we should. there's only 1 NARS - North American
00:33:33 <Aaron_> We might be, ive noticed the PAX.
00:34:08 <Aaron_> Havent touched Maglav in NARS yet
00:34:17 <Aaron_> Old fasioned, Start in 1831.
00:34:33 <Sylf> anyway, these train sets disables all default trains, and place its own set of trains.
00:34:47 <Sylf> so if the set doesn't include any monorail trains, then you won't see it in your game
00:35:07 <Sylf> so it's not because of upgrade from 1.3 to 1.4.
00:36:38 <Aaron_> NARVS Seems to run fine as well, Anyrecommendations for transport trucks? NARVS covers PAX
00:37:53 <Sylf> eGRVTS, hungarian set, long road vehicles etc...
00:38:10 <Sylf> oh, and OpenGFX+ Road Vehicles
00:40:30 <Aaron_> Which one would you prefur, The system im running is efficient, until half the trucks go out of date, and then im stuck using rail again.
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08:50:34 <supermop> hows europe this friday?
08:51:11 <supermop> was quite nice here - pretty hot already
09:25:38 <peter1138> Out of 400+ CDs ripped, only one has a hidden track 1.
09:35:14 <planetmaker> currently... sunny, fresh air, slight southerly(?) breeze. Not bad. But work :(
09:38:36 <peter1138> Oh bah, I've lost my superglue again.
09:39:07 <NGC3982> I feel way under qualified for supybot with soap
09:39:24 <NGC3982> I didn't really understand how to connect the actual server to the bot.
09:42:53 <planetmaker> you connect the bot to the server. not vice versa ;)
09:48:08 <__ln__> except in soviet russia
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09:54:59 <Xaroth|Work> NGC3982: and you make sure the admin port is active on the server
09:55:38 <NGC3982> Xaroth|Work: Yes, i did. I think i did something wrong with the ofs configuration files.
09:55:53 <NGC3982> But no worries, i need to cleanse my .openttd and redo it properly.
09:56:10 <NGC3982> Obviosly nothing to do in the middle of the night with little time to spare.
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12:48:17 <headbang> hi, ive installed zbase and i guess most 32bpp addons, but there are still 8bpp stuff in the game. Is development so far i can run a total 32bpp game?
12:59:28 <peter1138> I guess you are using non-32bpp addons.
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13:05:27 <planetmaker> headbang, yes, you can play only using 32bpp. But don't add NewGRFs then which don't support 32bpp
13:07:23 <planetmaker> (and that basically means: most NewGRFs will spoil it)
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13:08:59 <headbang> planetmaker: ok thank you , got caught in the game for a while :)
13:18:04 <planetmaker> insulfrog, you're using a base set. Every bet on that ;)
13:18:42 <insulfrog> i know but I should have put 'custom base set'
13:19:15 <planetmaker> what would be a 'custom base set'? You mean a non-pirated one?
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13:19:50 <insulfrog> in other words, not using OpenGFX or Zbase
13:20:52 <planetmaker> base set has absolutely no influence on how the game works... so it really does not matter. And the biggest legal problem could arise from using the commercially sold / pirated one. Just saying ;)
13:21:02 <planetmaker> i.e. the "original" :P
13:22:00 <insulfrog> what would you suggest?
13:22:22 <planetmaker> do whatever movies and screenshots you like and publish them whereever and whenever you like
13:22:37 <headbang> is it being streamed on twitch already? :)
13:23:50 <planetmaker> every legislation should know something like fair use - even if someone would want to claim infringement on posting screenshots from a game you play
13:24:10 <insulfrog> its just the fact that I just need clarifying some stuff before I do anything stupid, which I believe is the smart thing to do
13:25:09 <planetmaker> but I think the sheer number of "let's play it" available shows the answer to your question
13:25:26 <planetmaker> mind, I'm no laywer
13:25:36 <planetmaker> and stupidity is endless ;)
13:29:23 <insulfrog> I am currently reviewing the footage that I have recorded at the minute :)
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13:32:52 <headbang> if you have multiples trains on one track but forgot to make a shared order can u mass make it after?
13:34:13 <peter1138> planetmaker, agreed.
13:34:29 <peter1138> Apparently some publishers are stupid.
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13:51:15 <headbang> hmm i ordered to change trains now, and it does show the yellow return signal on the replacement screen, but they dont renew their trains
13:53:51 <headbang> i can select trains there which i cant buy yet. that would be it i guess
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14:07:59 <headbang> i figure its cause its what track its gonna ride on
14:08:27 <peter1138> So you're probably seeing elrail engines when you don't have eletrified tracks.
14:09:23 <headbang> Build my first functional big trainstation connection
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14:38:37 <Headbang> can you connect a harbor straight to a railstation?
14:41:35 <Headbang> hmm seems they werent on same ground level :)
14:50:00 <Headbang> sorry should stop the noob questions , have to get into it a bit
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21:35:20 <NGC3982> I have a P4 server today, and it runs several dedicated OpenTTD servers without a problem
21:35:32 <NGC3982> How about an Atom220 Aspire Revo?
21:35:51 <NGC3982> Would it be equal? Or is the single-core better for ttd servers?
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21:40:55 <Eddi|zuHause> atom doesn't sound like something you'd want to run a server on...
21:40:59 <FLHerne> NGC3982: Single-core is always better for OTTD than a dual-core with the same overall speed
21:41:31 <FLHerne> OTOH, with CargoDist and server autosaving, a second core is at least useful now
21:50:30 <NGC3982> The Revo is complete crap in Windows
21:50:39 <NGC3982> I can barely use normal desktop enviroment
21:52:45 <Eddi|zuHause> man these private space ships are dropping like flies...
22:03:19 <peter1138> Running multiple servers, of course multiple cores is better.
22:04:39 <NGC3982> Yes, and he have had that discussion before
22:04:51 <NGC3982> And yes, that can be an advantage.
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22:05:08 <NGC3982> The issue is that i feel the individual core to be the suckiest of suck.
22:05:11 <peter1138> An ancient P4 is probably faster than a shitty Atom, though.
22:05:31 <NGC3982> I actually surprised me
22:05:45 <peter1138> Why? Atoms were always low-cost low-power devices.
22:05:56 <NGC3982> No, the performance in linux of the P4.
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22:06:51 <peter1138> I imagine a fresh install of Windows would be quite nippy.
22:08:14 <Taede> i installed windows on a celeron900 today (singlecore). its faster, but not by much by the time all updates and necessary software (antivirus) have been installed
22:09:08 <peter1138> That's no longer fresh :)
22:09:34 <NGC3982> peter1138: There was a huge difference between Windows 7 on the P4 and the Atom.
22:09:41 <Taede> at least all the popups are gone
22:09:59 <Eddi|zuHause> modern CPU's single core performance has probably not increased that much since the P4
22:10:20 <NGC3982> It's like an old Lamborghini tractor
22:10:55 <peter1138> core2/i5/i7 is rather faster per core, but atoms and celerons are low-end CPUs.
22:11:24 <NGC3982> I really like the i5/i7.
22:11:45 <NGC3982> My work computer is the lowest kind of i5, and my new home computer uses the newest one.
22:11:55 <NGC3982> Big difference, but it's still a big jump from older CPUs.
22:12:25 <peter1138> AMD still suck, though.
22:14:25 <Jinassi> just fixed a comp with gigabyte ga-7400L mobo and amd sempron, so many old memories and horrors surfaced, i'm suprised there's not so many psychs that counsel techies
22:14:41 <Jinassi> they sucked and still suck
22:18:14 <peter1138> AMD like to introduce new shit which isn't clearly better than the last lot.
22:18:37 <peter1138> I don't know where Phenom fits in these days.
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22:22:25 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: P4 had an hillariously long pipeline. while it ran at insane clock rates, if was actually quite inefficient. so modern cpu can beat it even with lower clock rate
22:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i really don't follow CPU development...
22:24:35 <frosch123> me neither; but i know some people who cannot stop talking about it :p
22:29:48 <peter1138> Yeah, that pipeline was toast on branching.
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23:18:22 <argoneus> good evening train friends
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