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06:04:21 <Supercheese> Is the Tutorial script translatable yet?
06:06:11 <Rubidium> Supercheese: I see no real reason why it shouldn't be
06:06:41 <Supercheese> Well, I meant via eints
06:06:43 <Rubidium> having said that, it might not have enabled eints translations
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06:19:14 <Supercheese> although eints is not working for Latin for me at the moment anyway....
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07:07:28 <Supercheese> Hmm, the credit roll under "About OpenTTD" is not translatable
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07:19:26 <__ln__> oh, a bug: the year is not expressed in roman numerals
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07:23:38 <andythenorth> so not just a few more height levels then?
07:26:26 <__ln__> in the bottom left corner
07:26:50 <Supercheese> That is more of a personal preference, methinks
07:26:59 <Supercheese> I can read smallish numbers in Roman numerals easily
07:27:15 <Supercheese> but large numbers tend to cause more trouble than I desire
07:27:31 <Supercheese> also it's a {NUM} call or such
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07:27:53 <__ln__> yes, probably something the translation cannot change
07:28:32 <Supercheese> I can change the year under "About OpenTTD" though
07:29:16 <Supercheese> Huh... my textbook has all its copyright info in Latin, but retains Arabic numerals everywhere
07:31:10 <Supercheese> I suppose he didn't want to write the ISBN out in numerals
07:31:51 <Rubidium> aren't Roman numerals obnoxious after about 3000?
07:32:52 <Supercheese> Rubidium: they are obnoxious everywhere ;)
07:33:26 <Rubidium> Supercheese: well, MIM it shorter than it's arabic equivalent ;)
07:33:54 <Supercheese> If only brevity equaled ease of reading & operating on
07:34:05 <Supercheese> and, well, even then it would still be lame
07:38:01 <Supercheese> I've put the copyright dates in numerals
07:38:47 <Rubidium> thanks for the PITA ;)
07:40:17 <Rubidium> now my fix for r26192 doesn't work anymore :(
07:45:22 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: Commit by rubidium :: r26192 /trunk/src (59 files in 3 dirs) (2013-12-31 23:08:55 UTC)
07:45:23 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: -Fix (r24878): off-by-one error ;)
07:45:46 <Supercheese> Ah, a script I presume
07:45:54 * Supercheese will take care of it
07:46:10 <Supercheese> string should be marked as needing validation each change
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07:58:19 <planetmaker> they are marked as such. Aren't they?
07:59:44 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't un-break the script, though
08:11:03 <Rubidium> also, I wonder whether those copyright notices are "valid" with Roman numerals
08:12:41 <Rubidium> although... all those movies
08:13:24 <__ln__> also, the berne convention guarantees copyright without explicit notices about it.
08:24:53 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27012 trunk/docs/openttd.6 (2014-10-14 08:24:47 UTC)
08:24:54 <DorpsGek> -Change: improvements to the man page (bentley)
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09:45:30 <peter1138> magic road vehicles
09:45:40 <andythenorth> probably faller car system
09:47:22 <andythenorth> appeared when we were kids, depending on your age
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10:27:09 <V453000> I finally finished yeti walking cycle XD
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11:23:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27013 /trunk/src (vehicle_gui.cpp vehiclelist.h) (2014-10-14 11:23:41 UTC)
11:23:48 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: extract the functionality to determine the number of digits to make space for when drawing an unit number into a separate function
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11:35:41 <liq3> V453000: The YETI worker yard NML Code comments don't match the play guide.
11:36:01 <V453000> I did not write it, Sylf did
11:36:15 <V453000> I would believe the play guide
11:37:47 <liq3> Yeh Play Guide is probably right.
11:38:10 <liq3> Interesting how worker yards work now. You can just have one giant city and 1 worker yard. :p
11:39:39 <V453000> in practice waiting for the city to grow is a bit arse
11:39:54 <liq3> ...also, is there even a limit on how many YETIs one worker yard can produce?
11:39:58 <V453000> but you can e.g. only give food/bdmt to one worker yard, and grow the town there
11:40:01 <V453000> while still using other worker yards
11:40:08 <V453000> yeah probably 4x2295 per month
11:40:14 <V453000> or something like that
11:40:33 <V453000> sounds suspiciously low though
11:40:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27014 trunk/src/depot_gui.cpp (2014-10-14 11:40:38 UTC)
11:40:46 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6102]: unit number was not always fully shown in depots
11:41:13 <liq3> V453000: is there a reason PZG2013 had multiple oil refinaries?
11:41:26 <V453000> one can only output 30k something
11:41:43 <liq3> what's up with those arbitrary limits.
11:41:59 <V453000> just some code limit in openttd
11:42:52 <liq3> well, there's one ingame with 29,519. hrm
11:45:13 <V453000> hm refinery probably doesnt have 12 tiles
11:45:32 <V453000> it is just amount of tiles *2295
11:45:48 <liq3> OpenTTD has so many weird technical 'quirks'.
11:47:37 <V453000> not like it is a big deal
11:47:51 <V453000> unless your game needs 200k :>
11:48:11 <V453000> and even then, pzg2013 only produced it, didnt even transport it
11:49:21 <liq3> i'm wondering what the loss of goods in YETI is now. :D
11:50:28 <liq3> Like, when you deliver original goods to a town, they disappear.
11:51:02 <liq3> I have a feeling YETI may endlessly increase the number of goods in existance...
11:51:06 <liq3> seems to be what's happening in my game. :P
11:51:42 <V453000> assuming you continue to grow the town, theoretically such effect should be there indeed
11:51:47 <V453000> in practice it isnt that drastical
11:52:10 <V453000> it follows the idea of the original game
11:52:47 <liq3> a neverending tide of cargo, and no matter how many trains, you can't deliver it all. :D
11:54:42 <V453000> well yes but original industries stay sane till ~2000 and when you get the fast trains they just explode
11:55:06 <V453000> while yeti should again have no real limit, but it should be more progressive
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12:43:30 <andythenorth> how do I enable gui zoom?
12:43:39 <andythenorth> I had it, then binned my repo and pulled trunk
12:44:31 * andythenorth plays the old people edition
12:45:05 <peter1138> due to being old, i hit shift & capslock together...
12:45:17 <planetmaker> double-sized keyboard needed?
12:45:38 * andythenorth wonder who oldest dev is
12:45:59 <peter1138> Active... probably... uh... someone...
12:46:09 <peter1138> Belugas is older than me though :D
12:46:46 <peter1138> Just as well, there'd be no features left :D
12:48:07 <andythenorth> come the revolution
12:48:24 <andythenorth> I wrote most of 15F :O
12:48:33 <andythenorth> it’s about two lines :P
12:51:06 <andythenorth> why am I drawing trams with two cabs?
12:51:11 <andythenorth> they can’t fricking reverse :P
12:59:23 <andythenorth> would make trams too easy?
12:59:32 <andythenorth> no need for those tedious turnround loops?
12:59:53 <andythenorth> have to code swapping tracks :P
13:00:09 * andythenorth back to drawing fruit tram
13:06:13 <peter1138> Ew, I left it on zBase.
13:12:31 <planetmaker> peter1138, I wonder whether it shouldn't be two setting possibilities, one for button size, one for (sprite) font size
13:12:48 <planetmaker> but maybe that's better changed when we get real font config.
13:13:00 <planetmaker> and maybe I just want less blocky 2x sprite fonts :P
13:16:18 <peter1138> Main reason I did font-size was to solve the bloody text-icons :S
13:22:52 <andythenorth> I just invented this
13:22:55 <andythenorth> then found the picture
13:23:48 <V453000> lesson to learn: dont look for pictures XD
13:27:18 <LordAro> newgrf scanner text is fine though...
13:27:34 <planetmaker> you've an interesting choice of font, LordAro ;)
13:28:07 <planetmaker> newgrf scanner text might not yet use openttd's font engine. It doesn#t yet know about grf availability
13:28:19 <LordAro> unfortunately, i haven't set any font
13:28:27 <planetmaker> (it's actually a grf scanner, finding also base sets)
13:28:47 <planetmaker> same as reload_newgrfs reloads base grfs, too ;)
13:29:37 <planetmaker> I don't know about those
13:29:56 <planetmaker> but you could consider base sets as such :)
13:30:05 <LordAro> reload_newgrfs did nothing either
13:30:54 * LordAro tests a clean checkout to make sure
13:32:19 <LordAro> something's corrupted somewhere though, as the "font" seems to be using the animated colours
13:37:31 <LordAro> nope, clean checkout broken too
13:38:01 <LordAro> `newgrf_default_palette = 1`
13:39:26 <peter1138> but that isn't zBase.
13:40:24 <Rubidium> LordAro: can you determine which exact revision caused this bug?
13:41:15 <LordAro> r(latest - 276) worked fine, as far as i can recall
13:41:23 * LordAro will do some bisecting
13:41:40 <peter1138> Focus on 27004 I guess
13:47:48 <LordAro> or, i would, if i didn't have a lecture in 15 mins
13:48:46 <planetmaker> write a small bisecting script and have it test automatically ;) Problem: a script taking screenshots and analysing them might take more than 15 minutes to write :P
13:49:40 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but the screenshot taking already exists: intro game competition
13:50:22 <LordAro> i feel like analysing them is an open research problem though ;)
13:51:30 <peter1138> What compilers do you use?
13:52:58 <LordAro> it's probably using gcc
13:53:16 <LordAro> i can force it to use clang if you'd like
13:53:55 <peter1138> You probably could've quickly tested 27003 and 27004 by now :p
13:55:04 <LordAro> but i'm doing it properly ;)
13:55:12 <LordAro> i shall continue this later
13:55:20 * LordAro -> differential equations
13:55:24 <planetmaker> Rubidium, yes. But the automatic analysis might be more interesting, returning 1 or 0 depending on 'bad' or 'good'
13:55:48 <peter1138> I'm not sure what is improper about testing 2 specific revisions.
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14:16:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r27015 trunk/src/fontcache.cpp (2014-10-14 14:16:38 UTC)
14:16:44 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Also scale the character spacing for fonts without shadow.
14:17:30 <peter1138> Small font doesn't look weird now :D
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14:36:02 <Rubidium> are fonts individually scal(e?)able?
14:39:47 <peter1138> Well, freetype fonts are not scaled of course.
14:58:08 <peter1138> planetmaker, how's the drive?
15:00:09 <planetmaker> the drive disconnected. But it didn't take down the system with it
15:00:17 <planetmaker> thus still not formatted
15:02:51 <planetmaker> I'm starting to get hungry and getting something to continue to worry about for tomorrow. I'm starting to think it's a problem with the drive
15:03:09 <planetmaker> it's not like any other usb driver ever caused problems
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15:07:14 <peter1138> Hmm, I wonder if it's SMART queryable.
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15:10:48 <andythenorth> is oil more like goods and stuff
15:10:53 <andythenorth> or more like coal and stuff
15:11:03 * andythenorth considering whether it’s a 30t tram or a 50t tram
15:11:11 <andythenorth> but also refits chemicals, petrol and crap
15:11:25 <Taede> goods tend to have lots of air packed along with it
15:11:45 <Taede> whereas raw resources are packed in one huge container (tank/hopper whatever)
15:22:30 <LordAro> peter1138: confirmed that r27004 is the breaking change
15:23:23 <peter1138> But why only you :S
15:29:05 <peter1138> I like it when my hunches are right ;p
15:29:21 <peter1138> I don't know why it's worked for everyone else though, heh.
15:30:21 <LordAro> what's the issue with that?
15:32:30 <peter1138> I guess it's just been luck that it worked for everyone.
15:32:48 <peter1138> And your compiler is slightly different somehow.
15:32:55 <peter1138> I tried with clang too and it was still fine :P
15:35:23 <peter1138> Fuck it, I installed my policy .deb on some servers and it keeps kicking me off an idle login now :()
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15:52:27 <andythenorth> also found trams
15:53:43 <andythenorth> retina screenshots :|
15:53:47 <andythenorth> can’t be bothered to downsample
15:54:08 <peter1138> Hmm, so your pixels are already doubled?
15:58:24 <peter1138> So does openttd need to do something special to use single pixels on a retina display?
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15:59:33 <Alberth> :O farm trams! /me likes
16:00:40 <peter1138> andythenorth, but where's Toby? :S
16:00:44 <andythenorth> also 100% realistic :(
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16:01:28 <andythenorth> no henrietta mind
16:02:14 <Alberth> "realistic" is not a problem on its own, you're free to make realistic things as long as it fits game play
16:03:28 <Alberth> ha, looks like a tram-only game could be fun :)
16:03:50 <peter1138> You mispelled train :D
16:03:55 <andythenorth> they’re basically substituting for trucks before 1940
16:04:32 <andythenorth> what are ‘trains’ ?
16:05:05 <Alberth> trams with a split one-but-last wagon?
16:05:15 <andythenorth> do they have cabeese?
16:05:24 <andythenorth> are they BAD FEATURES?
16:05:48 <andythenorth> ships should have cabeese
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16:09:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r27016 trunk/src/spritecache.cpp (2014-10-14 16:09:21 UTC)
16:09:28 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r27004): Setting font-sprite data failed for some user(s).
16:12:42 <peter1138> Damn, no r27016 servers :(
16:14:53 <Terkhen> LordAro: you are notalone, r27011 nightly gives me that same error
16:15:43 <Alberth> hi Terkhen, thanks for answering the scenario forum post
16:16:45 <Terkhen> hi, the new posts were brought to my attention after receiving both an email and a PM :)
16:19:08 <Terkhen> I was going to test more height levels in order update the extended heightmaps proposal accordingly; I'll wait until the new nightly is generated
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16:20:46 <Alberth> I haven't tried generating higher mountains yet
16:22:39 <andythenorth> more height levels ftw
16:23:16 <andythenorth> terragenesis still sucks :)
16:23:22 <andythenorth> but that’s not new
16:23:30 <Terkhen> LordAro: not much new :P
16:25:42 <Alberth> my settings are normally such that going straight up is not an option
16:26:02 <Alberth> as such, a higher hill doesn't make it more challenging :p
16:28:59 <andythenorth> I am normally playing 256x256 so mhl doesn’t do much there either
16:35:13 <peter1138> Looks like a class... something or other.
17:07:08 <peter1138> What a silly junction.
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17:10:26 <andythenorth> the signals are in a silly place
17:10:46 <peter1138> Yeah it predates pbs ;P
17:11:03 <peter1138> It predates path signals. That's the one.
17:11:22 <andythenorth> bridgeheads on tunnel entrances?
17:11:41 <peter1138> that's exclusive to ttdpatch
17:12:10 * andythenorth considers moving to ttdp
17:13:29 <andythenorth> there’s some problem with building on tunnels?
17:13:38 <andythenorth> something glitches, can’t remember what
17:13:41 <andythenorth> someone had a screeny
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17:18:43 <peter1138> i shouldn't keep this stuff :p
17:19:11 * andythenorth has about 1000 odd screenshots
17:19:17 <andythenorth> mostly of stuff that got deleted later
17:19:35 <andythenorth> because you could
17:20:18 <peter1138> I wonder what it'd look like with 2x ui
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17:21:30 <andythenorth> can’t have them all looking the same, eh?
17:22:13 <andythenorth> nothing wrong with that
17:22:15 <andythenorth> highly efficient
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17:28:24 <Alberth> just put the percentage as number on the wagon, and add a vehicle effect for the type of cargo :p
17:42:58 <peter1138> Hmm, those locks I did...
17:49:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r27017 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2014-10-14 17:48:51 UTC)
17:49:06 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:49:07 <DorpsGek> catalan - 11 changes by juanjo
17:49:08 <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Supercheese
17:49:09 <DorpsGek> german - 6 changes by planetmaker
17:49:10 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 14 changes by Brumi
17:49:11 <DorpsGek> italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv
17:49:12 <DorpsGek> latin - 6 changes by Supercheese
17:49:13 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by SilverSurferZzZ
17:49:14 <DorpsGek> welsh - 8 changes by kazzie
17:49:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r27018 trunk/src/tgp.cpp (2014-10-14 17:49:32 UTC)
17:49:39 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6141] (r27008): the higher amplitudes needed for higher maps were not ignored properly causing much smoother maps than wanted
17:51:02 <andythenorth> what did you do the locks?
17:55:35 <Rubidium> where are the doors?
17:55:48 <NGC3982> Dead, or at least high.
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18:48:02 <Rubidium> ipads must be really unstable ;)
18:48:22 <SpComb> background applications?
18:54:11 <andythenorth> ipad irc is shit
18:54:20 <andythenorth> totally unworkable
18:55:10 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Better than Kindle IRC
18:55:31 <FLHerne> Darn thing OOMs on me if I try to connect to more than a half-dozen channels
18:55:40 <FLHerne> And all the flickering...
18:58:43 <andythenorth> this tram turned out ok
18:59:06 <andythenorth> peter1138: nice locks
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19:02:59 <frosch123> Supercheese: just fixed latin in eints
19:03:11 <Supercheese> frosch123: Many thanks, I will go test it
19:05:09 <Supercheese> Excellent, working nicely
19:08:55 <andythenorth> such realisms in Road Hog
19:09:14 <Supercheese> Ice ice tram baby
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20:40:34 <peter1138> Hmm, persistent storage for vehicles... why?
20:42:47 <frosch123> looks like it would look silly with default font size
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20:43:32 <peter1138> frosch123, yeah probably
20:43:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: opensfx+msx have latin now :)
20:44:04 <Rubidium> ... just requires a release to actually get them to the users :(
20:47:19 <Rubidium> did I do all chunks?
20:50:47 <Rubidium> peter1138: you committed that in r24853 ;)
20:52:33 <peter1138> So I did. And got it wrong evidently :)
20:53:21 <Rubidium> well... that's due to the way the widget tree itself is constructed; it's kinda obfuscated a bit
20:53:43 <peter1138> Yeah. Some days I think I actually understand it, then something else crops up :p
21:19:33 <planetmaker> ui, so we should release them anew, too, frosch123 ? :)
21:20:25 <frosch123> for sv i switched to postfix the version with the revision
21:20:45 <frosch123> so the verson refers to the actual content, and the revision to the minor additions
21:21:06 <frosch123> (assuming that translations are always a minor addition, since they only affect a part of the users)
21:21:55 <frosch123> anyway, i think translations happen in bursts
21:22:06 <frosch123> some new translator shows up, translates all projects, leaves again
21:22:13 <planetmaker> you mean like v1.0.xxx
21:22:34 <frosch123> Silicon Valley 3-5389
21:22:58 <frosch123> savegame version 3 - repo version/date 5389
21:23:32 <frosch123> but yes, basically putting the date-version in the last position
21:23:58 <frosch123> so, if current omsx is 0.3.1, it could become 0.3.5389
21:24:22 <frosch123> but maybe that is also confusing :p
21:24:33 <frosch123> i just picked it because i could code that into make bananas :p
21:25:48 <planetmaker> I think I'll keep the usual x.y.z for the base sets. They don't need a user-visible revision
21:26:06 <planetmaker> the version is fine, a tag can be used too for make bananas ;)
21:26:28 <planetmaker> but that doesn't work so nicely automatically, of course :)
23:08:01 <argoneus> good night train friends
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