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08:03:31  <Wolf01> hi hi

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08:17:21  <Alberth> o/

08:18:25  <NGC3982> I'm on my way home from Rättvik now. I saw Kraftwerk at Dalhalla yesterday. Tis' was magical.

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09:01:25  <Pikkaphone> yes but

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11:10:14  <Wolf01> better save and turn off... thunderstorm incoming

11:10:22  <Wolf01> bye

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11:16:51  <LadyHawk> people still turn stuff off when a storm's coming?

11:19:12  <LSky`> apparently

11:21:28  <LordAro> i would if the storm was close

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11:45:06  <peter1138> I had a computer that failed after a lighting storm. Turned it was 'just' the PSU, but this was when PCs cost £1500 to replace.

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11:47:05  <Eddi|zuHause> anyone have a clue how to find out why my computer just beeped and shut itself off?

11:48:28  <LordAro> one of my earliest memories is of my dad's computers getting fried by a lightning strike to the electricity pylon just outside our house

11:48:49  <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: it saw the discussion about thunderstorms and got scared?

11:49:19  <Eddi|zuHause> probably

11:49:24  <Alberth> it got too warm?

11:49:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i wasn't using it. so why would it be warm?

11:50:45  <Alberth> the Windows preheating cycle, as it sensed you wanted to use it soon :p

11:51:43  <Alberth> although modern machines do a lot of stuff while you are not looking :)

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11:55:41  <Wolf01> time to return at what I was doing

11:55:43  <Wolf01> :P

11:59:09  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26713 trunk/src/newgrf_text.cpp (2014-08-03 11:59:07 UTC)

11:59:10  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r23027): [NewGRF] Parameters to SCC_NEWGRF_PUSH_WORD and SCC_NEWGRF_UNPRINT were not skipped during drawing.

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12:53:13  <Eddi|zuHause> i was just wondering why the computer was louder than usual, even though i made sure fancontrol was running

12:53:23  <Eddi|zuHause> then i realized i forgot hdparm -S

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14:03:13  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26714 /branches/1.4 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2014-08-03 14:03:07 UTC)

14:03:14  <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk:

14:03:15  <DorpsGek> - Fix: Integer overflows in acceleration code causing either too low acceleration or too high acceleration [FS#6067] (r26702)

14:03:16  <DorpsGek> - Fix: Do not crash when trying to show an error about vehicle in a NewGRF and the NewGRF was not loaded at all (r26699)

14:03:17  <DorpsGek> - Fix: Tighten parameter bound checks on GSCargoMonitor functions, and return -1 on out-of-bound parameters (r26685)

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14:06:11  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: Commit by frosch :: r26715 /branches/1.4 (11 files in 5 dirs) (2014-08-03 14:06:04 UTC)

14:06:12  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: [1.4] -Backport from trunk:

14:06:13  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [NewGRF] Parameters to SCC_NEWGRF_PUSH_WORD and SCC_NEWGRF_UNPRINT were not skipped during drawing (r26713)

14:06:14  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Fix: [OSX] Compilation fails with some lzo2 versions, if __LP64__ is defined to 0 instead of checking whether it is defined [FS#6069] (r26709)

14:06:15  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: - Codechange: Use awk instead of trying to convince cpp to preprocess nfo files (r26708)

14:06:16  <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: (...)

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14:26:34  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26716 trunk/src/command.cpp (2014-08-03 14:26:32 UTC)

14:26:35  <DorpsGek> -Fix: CMD_CLEAR_ORDER_BACKUP should not be suppressed by pause modes.

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15:04:15  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26717 /branches/1.4 (4 files in 4 dirs) (2014-08-03 15:04:09 UTC)

15:04:16  <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk:

15:04:17  <DorpsGek> - Fix: CMD_CLEAR_ORDER_BACKUP should not be suppressed by pause modes (r26716)

15:04:18  <DorpsGek> - Fix: Discard incorrectly saved order backups when clients join [FS#6066] (r26700)

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15:33:52  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26718 /branches/1.4 (6 files in 4 dirs) (2014-08-03 15:33:49 UTC)

15:33:53  <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation

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15:36:09  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26719 /tags/1.4.2-RC2 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-08-03 15:36:07 UTC)

15:36:10  <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.4.2-RC2

15:37:50  <LordAro> :o

15:39:13  <frosch123> LordAro: congratz for winning writing a release news post :)

15:39:53  <LordAro> D:

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16:18:40  <andythenorth> o/

16:19:19  <Alberth> here is ok too :)

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16:23:03  <andythenorth> Squid is boring

16:23:21  <andythenorth> maybe I should rethink it

16:26:11  <Alberth> it just works?

16:26:33  <andythenorth> cargo ships don’t evolve

16:26:38  <andythenorth> I am thinking of faking some

16:26:52  <andythenorth> some of the other types get hydrofoils or hovercraft or whatever

16:27:21  <Alberth> do a little decrease in speed in the beginning?

16:27:23  <andythenorth> nah

16:27:31  <andythenorth> it’s boring enough in the beginning :)

16:27:38  <andythenorth> Iron Horse got fun once we ignored reality

16:28:02  <andythenorth> I should add a hover barge, or a hydrofoil fishing boat or something

16:28:35  * andythenorth is just avoiding fixing FIRS :P

16:29:27  <Alberth> the problem is that such needs do not go away on their own :(

16:31:05  <andythenorth> when I have a few hours straight uninterrupted I’ll fix it

16:31:12  <andythenorth> but it won’t get done in 10 mins :(

16:32:02  <Alberth> yeah, task switching is very inefficient :(

16:36:31  <andythenorth> yoghurt -> python -> yoghurt -> fighting -> python

16:36:33  <andythenorth> not efficient

16:39:14  <Alberth> :D

16:39:23  <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/tankers.png  is a bit weird

16:40:05  <Alberth> the new generation is bigger, but sometimes slower, and with lower reliability (although that may be the year)

16:42:23  <andythenorth> I never look at reliability :)

16:43:05  <Alberth> I do :p

16:43:38  <Alberth> but the speed bothers me more, tbh

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16:46:15  <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.1, 1.4.2-RC2

16:46:15  *** DorpsGek changes topic to "1.4.1, 1.4.2-RC2 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices"

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16:47:35  <andythenorth> it’s just canal versus river, no? o_O

16:47:53  <andythenorth> hmm, the costs are quite disparate

16:48:11  <Alberth>  http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/canal_ish.png   yeah, I really like the distinction, except you make me do this :p

16:51:22  <andythenorth> yes

16:51:24  <andythenorth> that’s all I do

16:51:30  <Alberth> :)

16:51:34  <andythenorth> I suspect that feature is bogus

16:51:48  <andythenorth> it’s not like canals or rivers offer any other advantage

16:51:56  <andythenorth> any route over them incurs a bridge

16:52:04  <andythenorth> which slows down trains / RVs

16:52:22  <andythenorth> canals and rivers are basically a negative feature

16:52:22  <Alberth> they do?

16:52:39  <andythenorth> I mean a ramped bridge

16:52:42  <andythenorth> rather than flat :P

16:54:17  <andythenorth> and building docks on river / canal is an exercise in stupidity

16:54:41  <andythenorth> shall I get rid of the river / canal speed distinction in Squid?

16:55:09  <Alberth> I never build long transports on rivers :)

16:55:39  <Alberth> nah, I like it, at least I check it when buying a new ship

16:56:19  <frosch123> make it a grf parameter :p

16:56:33  <frosch123> so people can set extreme values like 1% :)

16:57:19  <frosch123> or fill 10 forum pages with discussing what value is realistic :)

16:57:57  <Alberth> you can discuss that for every ship in the set independently :)

16:58:27  <andythenorth> awesome

17:01:03  <andythenorth> let’s see

17:01:57  <andythenorth> the only thing that really bugs me is that the Marstein freighter (270t) is supposed to replace both Cumbrae (160t) and Altamira (360t)

17:02:01  <andythenorth> doesn’t work somehow

17:02:31  <frosch123> make them duck-powed

17:02:39  <frosch123> 100 km/h and more

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17:03:05  <andythenorth> tempting :P

17:03:08  <frosch123> a duck would also work as a tug-boat upgrade

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17:20:41  <andythenorth> 100t hovercraft?

17:21:23  <frosch123> you can also add ecranoplanes

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17:23:08  <andythenorth> I never got excited about those :P

17:23:48  <frosch123> well, but they are fast ships

17:23:54  <frosch123> suitable for cargo

17:24:33  <frosch123> but ok, they may not work on canals

17:26:26  <andythenorth> zubrs carry up to 150t http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zubr_class_LCAC

17:26:29  <andythenorth> interesting

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17:45:37  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26720 /trunk/src/lang (arabic_egypt.txt slovak.txt) (2014-08-03 17:45:30 UTC)

17:45:38  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

17:45:39  <DorpsGek> arabic_egypt - 38 changes by ahm_ijal

17:45:40  <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 1 changes by

17:45:41  <DorpsGek> slovak - 1 changes by Milsa

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18:14:17  <keoz> there is so much to fix in FISH, andythenorth ?

18:14:49  <andythenorth> it’s pretty bad

18:16:14  <keoz> I thought SQUID was intended as replacement to FISH, thus making that one obsolet. Actually for myself, I only use fish, not squid.

18:17:24  <andythenorth> Squid replaces FISH

18:17:28  <andythenorth> but Squid is rubbish

18:17:30  <andythenorth> I might bin it

18:17:53  <keoz> Bon courage !

18:17:59  * keoz drink time. Sya.

18:19:49  <Alberth> maybe rethink what Squid was supposed to fix from FISH?

18:20:02  <andythenorth> too many pointless ships

18:20:14  <andythenorth> also I had to completely rething refitting due to autorefit

18:21:12  <Alberth> be liberal, refit to anything that the ship can transport :)

18:21:31  <Alberth> it's bad enough you cannot transport several cargoes at the same time

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18:27:26  <andythenorth> Squid refit is pretty liberal

18:27:41  <andythenorth> the only problem I think is model progression at the smaller end

18:27:53  <andythenorth> and maybe the range of sizes at smaller end

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18:45:49  <andythenorth> hmm

18:45:54  * andythenorth considers playing a game

18:46:34  <andythenorth> maybe 1.4.2-RC2 needs a test :P

18:47:10  <Alberth> seems like a good enough excuse :)

18:48:03  <andythenorth> is there a new GS yet?

18:48:16  * andythenorth looks

18:49:18  <andythenorth> is city growth fun?

18:49:22  <andythenorth> what’s the win condition?

18:50:02  <frosch123> there is a dozen of city growth gs

18:50:09  <frosch123> someone should make a wiki page about the differences

18:50:33  <andythenorth> I can’t find any with goals

18:50:40  * andythenorth needs goal-directed game play :P

18:50:47  * andythenorth is hopeless without goals

18:51:08  <andythenorth> I guess SV, again :)

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18:55:39  <andythenorth> @seen pikka

18:55:39  <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pikka was last seen in #openttd 2 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Pikka> also goodnight, then

19:20:30  <Eddi|zuHause> # virt-manager

19:20:31  <Eddi|zuHause> Segmentation fault

19:20:36  <Eddi|zuHause> very helpful.

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19:46:39  <peter1138> Why run it as root?

19:46:50  <peter1138> It uses X and shit...

20:22:19  <__ln__> X runs as root

20:25:37  <peter1138> init runs as root

20:25:47  <peter1138> doesn't mean we run everything else as root :p

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20:49:37  <peter1138> 540 block tnt cannon :S

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23:03:42  <Eddi|zuHause> anybody know why the VM i set up with kvm-qemu runs so slow?

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23:48:25  <Eddi|zuHause> peter1138: if i start it as user, it complains that it doesn't have the appropriate permissions, and demands the root password anyway

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