IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-06-09
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06:06:23 <andythenorth> how about something simple, like keeping a string_ids.lng file in lang?
06:06:32 <andythenorth> and nml parses that if it exists
06:06:41 <andythenorth> file extension .lng is probably dumb :P
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07:03:14 <andythenorth> FIRS has some globally unique spritelayouts etc for construction states, used by most industries
07:03:17 <andythenorth> this is a problem :|
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08:07:51 <andythenorth> I have enough figured out to explain how a (non-elegant) partial compile will work
08:08:00 <andythenorth> except for ensuring that stringIDs are constant
08:08:19 <andythenorth> but now it’s Monday, so work to do :)
08:08:47 <andythenorth> now that I know nmlc can compile nml fragments, the whole thing is much much easier :P
08:11:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: what’s the custom tags stuff for? read_extra_commands() etc
08:12:46 <planetmaker> you can use it to define custom tags :P
08:13:03 <planetmaker> like there is the standard tags for strings {CARGO}, {NUM} etc
08:13:16 <planetmaker> you use it e.g. to define {VERSION} or similar
08:13:24 <planetmaker> to be used in different strings
08:13:50 <andythenorth> not adaptable to my purpose of maintaining constants :)
08:14:06 <planetmaker> only useful for stuff to appear in strings
08:14:33 <andythenorth> I couldn’t find where string names resolve to numeric IDs
08:15:06 <andythenorth> I assumed they are just assigned in the order they are parsed in lang file
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08:17:08 <planetmaker> I'd expect it to be resolved in the order as used in code
08:17:43 <andythenorth> I can’t see assignments anywhere at parse time, so it must be in some other stage
08:17:48 * andythenorth should learn some compiler theory
08:17:56 <andythenorth> then I could refer to things properly
08:18:03 <andythenorth> instead of ‘thingy’ and ‘thingy'
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08:19:32 <andythenorth> ok, maybe IDs are assigned in the code generation step
08:19:38 * andythenorth read a compiler-basics tutorial
08:36:08 * Eddi|zuHause imagines andy having great fun with attributed grammars and tree algorithms
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13:04:36 <UukGoblin> bleugh, I can't build stuff on my own land :-(
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13:13:54 <UukGoblin> it's just like in real life :-/
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13:17:22 <toobored> wow. didn't expect that many people :)
13:17:42 <toobored> I've been trying to modify 2cc set in order to enable auto-refiting in goto orders
13:17:51 <Rubidium> there aren't that many people here
13:19:03 <toobored> it depends. I think IRC usage is declining
13:19:23 <toobored> is anyone around here relevant with the NFO codebase of 2CC?
13:19:53 <toobored> I have the wagons with a refit cost of 0 in 1c prop as instructed in the wiki page
13:20:08 <Rubidium> that's a bit the point; there are 100+ people in this channel, of which maybe 20 occasionally say something and maybe 10 talk fairly often
13:20:28 <Rubidium> I'm not one that knows enough NFO to help with your problem though
13:20:44 <toobored> surely you know more than me
13:21:15 <toobored> this is the defined MISC prop: 27 THIS_WAG_MISC
13:22:16 <TrueBrain> wait ... you want to say people idle in this channel?!
13:22:27 <TrueBrain> I am sure some of these people never said a word :P
13:22:41 <TrueBrain> take this Xaroth .. always just lurking .. never contributing
13:26:18 <toobored> it wasn't that simple after all.
13:26:52 <toobored> I changed THIS_WAG_MISC (the 27th prop to include the needed bit) to no avail.
13:27:08 <toobored> REFIT_COST seems to be zero but still the auto-refit button doesn't get enabled
13:30:53 <frosch123> there is even a bot here, with the only purpose to wish a new year
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14:26:29 <gynter> 502 Bad Gateway nginx/1.2.1 @ css files
14:35:20 <Alberth> services of openttd are getting transfered to a different machine
14:40:50 <frosch123> couldn't you have noticed it 10 minutes earlier? :)
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15:14:45 <gynter> Is there a way to modify openttd that if it's loaded with a save game file (-g flag) then a full map screenshot is made and after that client is exited :) ?
15:15:24 <gynter> Or are there any external tools to create a timelapse from saves?
15:15:42 <Rubidium> respectively yes and no
15:15:43 <frosch123> there have been multiple patches
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15:28:34 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember a timelapse thingie
15:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> but taking a screenshot is probably easiest if you use one of the "on_<whatever>.scr" scripts in the scripts directory
15:32:08 <Eddi|zuHause> if you actually want a screenshot of the overview map, then you probably need some patching
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18:22:04 <Wolf01> doh, installed openvpn, need to reboot to use the TAP... tomorrow
18:23:04 <Wolf01> now, back on rpgmaker :P
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18:27:21 <Wolf01> 125x74, how much ugly is this size?
18:32:09 <Wolf01> I have an image 2000x1189 to divide in tiles of 32x32 and keep a nice resolution
18:33:52 <Wolf01> any artist could give me a hint?
18:40:04 <Rubidium> wouldn't 89 by 55 be something?
18:40:45 <Rubidium> what size are you looking for roughly?
18:42:29 <Rubidium> but that's F13 by F12
18:49:12 <Wolf01> ok, it doesn't look much stretched
18:49:36 <Wolf01> I'll take some years now to cover it with tiles
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19:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're worried about aspect ratio, just cut off a bit on the sides?
19:10:18 <Wolf01> yes, that could help, and the size suggested by Rubidium is really good
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19:23:39 <andythenorth> if nml would just write the string names back out into the nfo as constants, I could blat them out with cpp or python in a processing step
19:23:50 <andythenorth> or I could try and teach nml to maintain string constants
19:24:00 <andythenorth> or pass a constants file in
19:26:34 <andythenorth> the first thing to do would be to read the nml src which handles IDs
19:26:46 <andythenorth> because currently I’ve no idea how it works, might be solving wrong problem
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19:33:40 <andythenorth> maybe action4 has the clue
19:34:36 <andythenorth> I’ll look there next
19:36:39 <andythenorth> can someone who is actually competent help me with this?
19:36:50 <andythenorth> looks like textIDs are alllocated randomly
19:37:18 <andythenorth> unless an ID is found from a ConstantNumeric via global_constants
19:37:31 <andythenorth> nml/actions/action4.py
19:37:59 <andythenorth> which suggests that if I extend numeric constants in global_constants, the strings will get picked up there
19:38:20 <andythenorth> I probably have this wrong :P
19:43:08 <andythenorth> L150 and following
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20:48:56 * andythenorth wants a ‘kick cdist’ button to force a recalculation of routing :)
20:53:06 <fonsinchen> andythenorth: You can set the recalculation interval and time to small values
20:53:19 <fonsinchen> I usually set it to 2/2 for testing
20:53:23 <andythenorth> it was my own fault
20:53:30 <andythenorth> I failed to scrap a vehicle with old orders
20:53:52 <andythenorth> so waybill carried on allocated cargo
20:56:12 <andythenorth> I am still playing the waybill patch
21:02:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26636 trunk/src/saveload/vehicle_sl.cpp (2014-06-09 17:42:48 UTC)
21:03:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6026-ish]: (memory) size of variables saved for disaster vehicles was not correct in saveload description
21:03:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26637 trunk/src/base_media_func.h (2014-06-09 17:43:59 UTC)
21:03:04 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#6038]: segmentation fault when encountering a .obg/.obs/.obm with empty string/zero length/ MD5 checksums
21:03:08 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26638 trunk/src/lang/english_US.txt (2014-06-09 17:45:16 UTC)
21:03:09 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
21:03:10 <DorpsGek> english_US - 1 changes by Supercheese
21:10:11 <andythenorth> when is mult-docks?
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