IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-02-27
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01:44:57 <Supercheese> I seem to be having a problem with NML's alternative_sprites
01:45:16 <Supercheese> The syntax on the page indicates: alternative_sprites(block_name, zoom_level, type[, filename[, mask_filename]])
01:45:35 <Supercheese> Implying that it can have 3,4, or 5 parameters
01:45:50 <Supercheese> However, on compile NML complains that it only can have 2 or 3 parameters
01:47:12 <Supercheese> alternative_sprites (underground_vehicle, ZOOM_LEVEL_NORMAL, BIT_DEPTH_32BPP, "gfx/Shadows32.png")
01:47:42 <Supercheese> although on earlier versions of NML it seems to work
01:49:44 <Supercheese> Specifically, the error seems to have crept in between r5100 and r5114
01:59:55 <ST2> not that case... but... how can I?
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04:18:37 <Flygon__> Train Crashes are the worst
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09:13:36 <LordAro> ST2: just go with trunk
09:20:23 <planetmaker> just state the version explicity in the text and don't fill out version field or choose 'other'
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10:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure that breaks a dozen laws
10:25:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i mean, they even found youtube guilty of "diffamation" for showing the "GEMA has not given us the rights to this video" screen
10:29:44 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I think that statement of youtube actually is not true. True is they don't want to pay the (rather insane) prices the GEMA wants
10:29:59 <planetmaker> but they do have the right to deliver them (at a loss)
10:30:16 <Xaroth|Work> they don't have the rights if they don't pay for the license to :p
10:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: let's say "it's complicated"
10:31:52 <planetmaker> Xaroth_, the German law is IMHO bad there that the default assumption is that music belongs to one of the copyright holders the GEMA represents. Thus everyone is allowed w/o asking to use the musik - and then afterwards declare the target audience sicze and pay accordingly
10:31:56 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but i'm fairly convinced that mimicking a security warning and saying "adblock is dangerous" is several degrees worse than that.
10:32:09 <planetmaker> I fully agree there, Eddi|zuHause :)
10:32:33 <planetmaker> imho it falls under defamation and similar rules. Probably illegal competiton rules as well
10:34:04 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i'd put it in the same category as the programs that secretly dial expensive numbers. i.e. it's closer to fraud and computer sabotage
10:46:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so far, all my predictions about ukraine have come true. there's a russia-leaning separatist movement on the Krim peninsula, Janukowitsch declared the actions of the parliament as "illegal" and asked russia for support.
10:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (mind you the russians wouldn't even have to "invade" the Krim, because there is a russian marine base there anyway)
10:54:32 <__ln__> is there oil in ukraine?
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11:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause> if you count the oil/gas in the pipelines :p
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13:23:32 <PimpChu> amazing, i found one of my nicks that wasnt taken >.>
13:23:47 <PimpChu> wow. there are alot of TTD people here o_o
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13:25:56 <PimpChu> so, awkward question, does anyone know how to roll back TTD?
13:26:28 <PimpChu> im running 1.4.0 Beta 3, and i wanna run 1.3.3 so i can play on the vanilla Reddit server
13:26:46 <V453000> just download the 1.3.3 zip and extract it?
13:26:49 * PimpChu got bored beating the AI like a hooker
13:27:13 <V453000> there might be some servers on 1.4.0 beta 5 btw (:
13:28:35 <PimpChu> ah, i figured if i played the vanilla reddit server, i can chill here as well, and not get confused by a ton of different user groups. lol
13:29:36 <PimpChu> its been hard enough trying to get up to speed with the communities already. haha
13:29:59 <PimpChu> ive been lurking on a ton of different forums over the past week >.>
13:30:11 <V453000> forums are mostly useless
13:30:23 <PimpChu> especially the german ones >.>
13:30:53 <PimpChu> given the whole....being Australian thing
13:31:12 <V453000> forums just apparently lure people who talk more than think, try openttdcoop.org instead if you want to build well :)
13:32:49 <PimpChu> isnt that the same with every forum? ;)
13:33:00 <PimpChu> but cheers for the tip, ill have a look :)
13:33:22 <PimpChu> ive been a casual player since DOS, but never been able to figure out how to do the whole pro-building. lol
13:35:05 <V453000> yes, with every forum :)
13:35:31 <V453000> well, you know where to look now :)
13:35:41 <V453000> there are also peopel who are better at talking than AI ;)
13:35:51 <V453000> though some not by much :D
13:37:47 <PimpChu> not gonna lie, i knew TTD had a decent following, but what ive seen, has blown my mind
13:40:16 <PimpChu> does it get very active in here?
13:40:51 <V453000> you can join channel #openttdcoop to play on the Public Server, welcome server runs 1.4.0 beta5
13:41:11 <PimpChu> so, ive been looking in all the wrong spots. haha
13:41:52 <V453000> if you searched for something like this, all spots are wrong but one :P
13:41:59 <PimpChu> if id known there was an irc server, i probably would have figured out what i can do agesss ago
13:42:58 <PimpChu> have spent the best part of a week trying a ton of different grf's to try and find a mix that all compliment each other, to upgrade every part of the game
13:43:19 <V453000> well we have an article for that too
13:43:44 <PimpChu> damn, you guys have your shit together....and i dont have to learn german! :P
13:45:53 <PimpChu> i think i might have just found the community i want to be apart of. haha
13:46:12 <V453000> type /join #openttdcoop
13:49:35 <Pinkbeast> V453000: some it's / its confusion in that PDF
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14:04:08 <Nebol> Greetings! Running a dedicated server, how can I change initial loan amount?
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14:44:11 <planetmaker> Nebol, if you generate the map: edit config file. If you load a savegame: do so before creating that ;)
14:44:34 <planetmaker> well, if you create it on your local machine, yo ucan of course use the UI to modify settings
15:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> max loan can't be changed after game start even with gui
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15:28:26 <planetmaker> that's why I said "before creating that(=map)"
15:35:06 <Eddi|zuHause> but it wasn't very clear that you meant that.
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17:17:23 <Eddi|zuHause> looks like rapidshare is in the process of dismantling itself...
17:47:20 <planetmaker> I still need votes for the titlegame competition. There's currently a tie for 3rd place. And 1st and 2nd are not much better either :)
17:47:50 <Nebol> thanks, planetmaker and Eddi!
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17:48:47 <planetmaker> most of the rgulars haven't voted yet!
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17:52:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably won't vote
17:53:49 <Rubidium_> planetmaker: the regulars don't use stable ;)
18:08:57 <planetmaker> and why not, Eddi|zuHause ?
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18:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "this winter was the 4th warmest since 1881"
18:35:53 <planetmaker> definitely felt like that so far
18:36:36 <Rubidium_> it's been the coldest since mid 2013 ;)
18:42:12 <Rubidium_> Eddi|zuHause: how much warmer was it than average?
18:43:42 <Eddi|zuHause> 3.1°C above the average from 1961 to 1990
18:44:29 <Eddi|zuHause> ("Winter" counts as the months december to february)
18:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and ony 2/3 of average rainfall
18:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> and 25% more sun-hours
18:45:58 <Rubidium_> ah well, I reckon it's fairly safe to say that during the last 150 million years there where 40 million years with an average higher than this year
18:46:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26381 /trunk/src/lang (7 files) (2014-02-27 18:46:10 UTC)
18:46:24 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:25 <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 1 changes by Wold
18:46:26 <DorpsGek> estonian - 8 changes by KSiimson
18:46:27 <DorpsGek> hebrew - 20 changes by oofnik
18:46:28 <DorpsGek> norwegian_nynorsk - 15 changes by 2rB
18:46:29 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 1 changes by leandromoh
18:46:30 <DorpsGek> slovak - 4 changes by Milsa
18:46:31 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by Welder05
18:47:13 <Rubidium_> based on 145-66 million years ago the global average temperature being, on average, 10 °C higher than current averages
18:48:26 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem about global warming is not that it's getting warmer. it's about getting uncomfortable for humans
19:04:56 <peter1139> Old title game looks rubbish at 5040x1050...
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19:09:51 <peter1139> andythenorth looks rubbish at 5040x1050
19:10:22 <peter1139> and 4096x4096 map generation takes a while
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19:14:19 <andythenorth> hovercraft of shame
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19:25:31 <Aristide> Its a busline S12 on TCL Network (Lyon) my favorite bus line xD
19:30:26 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm never quite sure whether i should be amazed or scared by your enthusiasm...
19:41:12 <frosch123> hmm, i have never been to lyon, but now i know that it consists purely of hilly one way roads
19:46:11 <Aristide> frosch123: Its a road between Hôtel de Ville (Town Hall) and Croix Rousse
19:46:22 <Aristide> So, take subway is a better idea for go to Croix Rousse xD
19:47:02 * andythenorth being beaten by Silicon Valley
19:47:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Lyon is crazily hilly
19:47:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (although i've only seen it from the highway)
19:47:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (which actually tunnels underneath the city)
19:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (and that was 20 years ago)
19:49:21 <Aristide> Yes TCL network (public transport) has been « reset » in August 2011 xD
19:49:28 <andythenorth> station acceptance is very strange
19:50:53 <andythenorth> finally, the station stops accepting stuff
19:50:58 <andythenorth> after demolishing 50% of it :P
19:51:17 <Aristide> andythenorth: Where ?
19:51:55 <andythenorth> basically catchments are bigger than reported
19:52:05 <andythenorth> so unexpected acceptance happens
19:52:17 <andythenorth> which breaks networks
19:52:33 <andythenorth> (or unexpected supply of cargo)
19:55:25 <andythenorth> I'm surprised it doesn't get reported as a bug more often tbh
19:56:05 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: depends on what you expect.
19:56:18 <andythenorth> someone drew a picture once of how it actually works
19:56:52 <andythenorth> I think in this case magic industry tile 0xFF is the problem
19:57:04 <andythenorth> ports etc are bigger than they look due to that tile
19:57:15 <Eddi|zuHause> it's simple actually. you draw a rectangle around all tiles of the station, and then you add the radius to that rectangle
19:57:36 <Eddi|zuHause> the radius is the largest of any station part
19:57:56 <andythenorth> so a station with a dock....all tiles have the dock radius
20:03:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and if the station is not rectangular, even tiles without station have the radius
20:03:47 <Eddi|zuHause> if they would be part of the station were it made rectangular
20:04:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (but then it gets complicated: this works only for delivery, not pickup. so in extreme cases an industry may be delivered with raw materials but the produced goods would not appear)
20:05:10 <Eddi|zuHause> (the reverse can also happen if the industry is not rectangular)
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21:03:15 <frosch123> is entry 01 supposed to be paused? :p
21:04:35 <frosch123> 01 and 04 are paused
21:04:51 <frosch123> but i assume they will be unpaused if they win
21:05:13 <planetmaker> can be done, I guess :)
21:08:58 <andythenorth> infosec questionnaire complete
21:09:05 <andythenorth> "my glamourous life"
21:11:23 <frosch123> is 05 supposed to be zoomed out?
21:12:57 <frosch123> the signal usage is sad in most though
21:16:14 <frosch123> actually most of the games seem to be paused
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21:26:03 <frosch123> i found the troll game
21:40:59 <frosch123> i guess i am mainstream with my second vote
21:41:20 <frosch123> s/vote/place/ or whatever
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21:53:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26382 trunk/src/goal.cpp (2014-02-27 21:53:14 UTC)
21:53:32 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5932] (r25372): All goal commands invalidated the goal list of company 0.
21:55:15 <frosch123> thanks for the report :)
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