IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2014-02-20
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00:07:41 <Eddi|zuHause> it's funny how predictable it is that whenever someone says "the wiki needs cleaning up" the next comment is "hey, thanks for volunteering" :p
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00:25:05 <glx> Eddi|zuHause: it's a something to add to somebody's todo list
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01:49:33 <Tirili> I am still new to openttd
01:50:00 <Tirili> and I wonder, if there is an option to set the prices for a passenger to use my buses etc.
01:50:20 <Tirili> So is there a way to define the prices yourself?
01:58:27 <TheStevens> it involves getting a longer distance in a shorter amount of time.
02:02:12 <Tirili> And was this idea already suggested?
02:02:24 <Tirili> Because the current model of prices is unrealistic as fuck
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02:12:23 <Eddi|zuHause> how much experience do you have in managing real prices?
02:14:48 <TheStevens> I'm sure if you'd be willing to create a patch for a user-pays style system people might take that idea a little more seriously
02:15:35 <TheStevens> as it stands, creating such a feature would fundamentally change the economy and cargo distribution of the game.
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02:24:38 <Tirili> Eddi|zuHause: I don't know, if I will find good concepts to create a successful transport company in the real world, but that should not stop us from inventing a realistic demand and pricing model for a computer simulation.
02:24:48 <Tirili> TheStevens: Let me think about it
02:26:35 <Tirili> What I see when I watch multiplayer openttd games is that people just choose the most distant destinations and build up a railway between them whith trains as fast as possible.
02:27:20 <Eddi|zuHause> Tirili: but "realistic" is not the only demand to a simulation game
02:27:25 <Tirili> Then some servers even forbid to take cargo from a source that is already "owned" by other players.
02:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also "managable", "efficient", "fun", ...
02:28:09 <Tirili> Eddi|zuHause: Sure, but maybe the fun factor will be increased by realism.
02:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe, maybe not
02:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly fun is easily spoiled by micromanagement
02:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> and stuff is shipped from australia to europe all the time, even though europe has its own sources
02:30:28 <Eddi|zuHause> so not every "realism" argument is actually realistic
02:30:45 <Tirili> I don't even see real competition in most openttd matches. Players just do their own thing as fast and big as possible. There are not many options in which players can destroy their enemies.
02:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe that is because they don't WANT to do that?
02:31:40 <Tirili> There should be a game mode that allows them to do so
02:32:18 <Eddi|zuHause> a few years ago someone hosted a "cutthroat" server, where you could use every trick in the book to spoil your competitor's fun. but even on those servers, people often played "normal"
02:37:35 <TheStevens> Eddi|zuHause: Australia exports stuff for a few years, then that industry goes out of business
02:37:40 <TheStevens> classic openttd logic
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10:28:52 * Elyon is considering an NES port of openttd
10:40:13 <Elyon> things don't have to be "useful" to be interesting :D
10:42:13 <blathijs> By using a custom cartridge that contains a CPU that can actually run OpenTTD? :-)
10:42:40 <Elyon> or massive overclocking + liquid nitrogen
10:43:00 <Elyon> the NES obviously doesn't have an FPU, but iirc openttd uses integer maths anyway?
10:43:50 <Elyon> the ~800h RAM limit could be an issue, though
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10:49:12 <valhallasw> A Raspberry Pi probably fits inside a NES cartridge.
11:12:31 <Japa> Elyon, port DF to NES after that.
11:13:05 <Japa> Though, an SNES port of OpenTTD might be possible... maybe.
11:14:56 <blathijs> Googling for "SNES SDL" only returns emulators using SDL, not SDL running on a real SNES :-)
11:15:03 <Pinkbeast> I wouldn't have believed in the Beeb version of Sim City until I saw it.
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11:16:04 <Elyon> Japa: I doubt either is possible
11:23:28 <Pinkbeast> British geeks my age who weren't Spectrum/QL types were Beeb types, to a first approximation.
11:24:19 <Pinkbeast> You will still now (very occasionally) see public information displays driven by Beebs
11:26:41 <Pinkbeast> The Beeb got the original version of _Elite_, of which you may have heard. :-)
11:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> you people are weird
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12:27:36 <peter1139> Best version of Elite, for that matter.
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13:20:14 <Pinkbeast> peter1139: I agree (well, the Master / 6502 Tube versions) but I wouldn't say that near any Archimedes owners. :-)
13:32:17 <peter1139> pfft, Archie owners were rich spoiled brats ;p
13:37:24 <dihedral> <Eddi|zuHause> you people are weird <- i think so too
13:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> well they are a) half a generation older than me, and b) british...
13:52:53 <Eddi|zuHause> what they consider "classic computers", for me is just "old junk"
13:59:43 <dihedral> you are not that young are you?
14:00:31 <V453000> he is ancient like fuck
14:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm younger than peter1139, anyway.
14:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you have to know, i'm 32.
14:14:07 <Pikka> 32 is pretty old, for sure
14:16:51 <Eddi|zuHause> but in computer ages, it matters a lot if you got your first computer in the 80s or in the 90s
14:19:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm still mentally 12, sometimes :)
14:19:27 <Eddi|zuHause> for example, i'm still in this channel :p
14:20:44 <Xaroth|Work> you are? i hadn't noticed
14:20:51 <__ln__> i think this channel's average mental age is a lot higher than on many other channels.
14:21:18 <Xaroth|Work> __ln__: in all fairness, we do have TrueBrain.. so can't be -that- high :|
14:21:56 <__ln__> Xaroth|Work: but he speaks so seldom
14:22:28 <Xaroth|Work> but he does generate a few kB worth of.. 'chat' every day here :|
14:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what i meant: i played this game around the age of 12.
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14:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> "In an article about Ellen Page, the Guardian said Patrick Stewart were gay. Patrick Stewart twittered: 'at least I didn't wake up to the internet telling me I was dead again.'"
14:31:33 <Xaroth|Work> William Shatner was jealous of all the attention he got
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15:16:06 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe william shatner should announce he was gay :p
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16:52:03 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth|Work like you would think I wouldnt notice .....
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18:07:26 <Xaroth|Work> TrueBrain: ofcourse I knew you'd notice
18:07:37 <Xaroth|Work> but that's part of the fun!
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18:29:36 <Eddi|zuHause> live fast, die young?
18:31:03 <frosch123> did i miss the chance for that?
18:31:54 <Eddi|zuHause> probably, you're already 123
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18:45:14 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26358 trunk/src/lang/brazilian_portuguese.txt (2014-02-20 18:45:08 UTC)
18:45:15 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:16 <DorpsGek> brazilian_portuguese - 5 changes by leandromoh
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19:30:23 <andythenorth> we should play MP games again
19:30:28 * andythenorth is bored on a map alone
19:32:13 <frosch123> sounds like an idea
19:33:10 <andythenorth> I have mostly got work and children
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19:33:25 <planetmaker> been thinking about another MP game again, too. They used to be fun :)
19:33:44 <andythenorth> where is map at? o_O
19:33:54 <andythenorth> we have new FIRS, new FISH
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19:33:59 <andythenorth> and Iron Horse needs testing...
19:34:06 <andythenorth> someone make a map?
19:34:06 <frosch123> we just need to decide for a setu
19:34:21 <frosch123> i don't think sv or ncg combine well with cd
19:34:22 <andythenorth> Heart of Darkness
19:34:38 <andythenorth> cd is not going to work for a game that last 1-2 hours
19:34:59 <Pikka> heart of darkness is the best
19:35:06 <andythenorth> or just on the name?
19:36:06 <andythenorth> who can make a map?
19:36:10 * andythenorth has to make a dinner :(
19:36:52 <andythenorth> Iron Horse needs Metro Track Set and Narrow Gauge Track Types
19:37:48 * Pikka has to make a breakfast
19:38:03 <Pikka> or, go out and purchase a breakfast.. not sure there's much in the house
19:39:08 <Pikka> <frosch123> i don't think sv or ncg combine well with cd <- nma
19:40:18 <andythenorth> this is a good list
19:40:35 <andythenorth> give or take non-bananas revisions
19:41:05 <andythenorth> I have no clue what goals to set though
19:41:15 <andythenorth> Alberth: MP game?
19:41:28 <andythenorth> what time is it for you CET people?
19:41:44 <Alberth> 20 minutes before 9 here
19:42:20 <frosch123> it's always one hour later than for you
19:42:34 <Alberth> in 1.5 hours? that's too late for me
19:42:41 <andythenorth> 1.5 hours duration
19:42:43 <planetmaker> except when it isn't, frosch123. Around change CET <-> CEST
19:42:53 <andythenorth> soon as someone has a map...
19:43:06 <frosch123> planetmaker: i assumed uk does the same as eu, just us is different
19:43:28 <planetmaker> maybe, maybe not. Dunno :)
19:43:32 <frosch123> (though i still cannot guess "nma" :p)
19:43:36 <andythenorth> I'll release Iron Horse to bananas
19:44:59 <andythenorth> Iron Horse alpha-1 now on banananananans
19:45:53 <andythenorth> Squid Ate FISH alpha 5 is on bananananas too
19:46:59 <andythenorth> planetmaker: is there a server running?
19:47:11 <andythenorth> I need to get the right version client
19:47:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: do you have any suggested numbers for NoCarGoal?
19:47:56 <andythenorth> based on previous games...
19:48:53 <Pikka> frosch123: "needs more acronyms"
19:50:39 <frosch123> i have no idea now iron horse plays
19:50:52 <frosch123> but 40k sounds fine around 1970
19:51:03 <frosch123> for 7 years of game
19:51:26 <Pikka> what openttd version are we
19:51:35 <frosch123> todays nightly most likely
19:51:39 <frosch123> or should we use the beta?
19:51:46 <frosch123> nah, silly, it's the same
19:51:49 <frosch123> we use the nighitly
19:52:09 <andythenorth> I just set 5k :)
19:52:18 <andythenorth> depends on number of players
19:52:29 <andythenorth> let's try a low number, and play 5 years
19:52:32 <andythenorth> go to bed earlier
19:52:56 <frosch123> else there is no point in playing :p
19:53:09 <andythenorth> we need more players :P
19:53:12 <planetmaker> might today be a bit late for me for long play
19:53:15 <frosch123> 40k was is "hard cargos"
19:54:35 <frosch123> well, we need at least pm to start the server
19:54:49 <frosch123> i haven't used soap
19:54:49 <Rubidium> andythenorth: then where's the server?
19:55:01 <planetmaker> I'll update the prozone server to nightly
19:55:36 <frosch123> prozone? not #openttdcoop.nightly?
19:55:47 <frosch123> or is that the same?
19:56:56 <planetmaker> not the same server. But let's say: it's for me right now much easier to load a game on the prozone server than teach coopserver about the nightly. And noone plays there right now anyway :)
19:58:23 <planetmaker> we didn't yet migrate the nightly server to soap, that's why :)
20:01:09 <Rubidium> guess I need to join some channel for the password?!?
20:03:29 <frosch123> you can try it in this channel :p
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20:10:45 <Knogle> is it possible to get the password? I just want to watch the game :)
20:11:23 <planetmaker> if we find it, we will tell you
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20:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: why would i dye my gnu?
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21:50:46 <frosch123> Pikka: V453000: ottd crashed when resizing the window?
21:51:21 <Pikka> I don't think I was resizing the window. the window, or a window?
21:51:42 <Pikka> Assertion failed at line 426 of ..\src\gfx_layout.cpp: runs.End()[-1].first == length
21:52:05 <frosch123> the windows window, not ingame windows
21:54:29 <frosch123> that is a different issue
21:54:37 <frosch123> looks like we need to test the fallbacklayouter
21:54:47 <frosch123> all the things which noone needs, except weird systems :p
21:55:03 <Pikka> who are you calling a weird system
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22:16:20 <V453000> I dont think I was clicking anything during the crash at all
22:18:22 <Kjetil> Well, thar is your problem. To prevent OpenTTD players from slacking off and enjoying the view of a well functioning railroad network, the crash on inactivity feature was added
22:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i just had an epiphany: inflation should be measured by the numbers that get mentioned in newspaper articles
22:22:27 <Eddi|zuHause> no, i mean if one year the newspaper says "the Kirch company's debt of 6.5 billion € is the biggest bankrupcy in german history", and 10 years later it says "the bank bailout is 650 billion €", the inflation over these 10 years is 1000%
22:25:24 <Eddi|zuHause> (Leo Kirch had a large media empire. kinda like the german counterpart of Rupert Murdoch)
22:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> (incidentally, the centre-piece of that empire, the pay-tv channel 'Premiere' was bought by murdoch and rebranded as 'Sky')
22:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> (this is in the news today, because a long-running court case ended with a mutual agreement. the heirs of Kirch sued Deutsche Bank because a member alledgedly triggered the collapse in an interview where he said nobody wanted to lend money to Kirch anymore)
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22:57:31 <Eddi|zuHause> the netsplits aren't what they used to be either
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23:03:28 <__ln__> yes, in the good old days netsplits were brought to the village by horse.
23:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> or by carrier pidgeons
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