IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-12-06
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08:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln___: "australian" july maybe :)
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08:49:13 <InducTrackerOTTD> Hello, can anyone help me finding where openttd 1.2.0 might put the heightmaps it downloads, my file manager does not see them in my home dir as the game's own file browser would have me believe
08:50:07 <Supercheese> On Windows, usually C:\Users\<yourUserName>\Documents\OpenTTD\content_download
08:51:53 <InducTrackerOTTD> Oh yeah! I didn't notice there was a /conten_download dir, thanks Supercheese
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10:22:17 <oskari89> I was thinking of new thing on OpenTTD economy..
10:22:39 <InducTrackerOTTD> For which purpouse, and collected by who?
10:23:01 <oskari89> For infrastructure developement by local municipalities?
10:23:33 <oskari89> Such as roads between towns..
10:24:09 <InducTrackerOTTD> I'd probably prefer some more relevant realism expansions in the game/genre myself
10:26:47 <InducTrackerOTTD> It could kinda be a counter-effect to the escalating profits in the game tho
10:29:32 <DDR> That would be reasonable.
10:31:03 <InducTrackerOTTD> If perhaps a bit superflurous considering municipalities or the basic world is rather simplistically modeled
10:32:12 <InducTrackerOTTD> A simple cost per municipal land aquisition/redevelopment action calculation could do the trick
10:33:41 <InducTrackerOTTD> The tricky bit would be deciding how the towns set tax policy
10:34:38 <InducTrackerOTTD> A nother nice way to think of it, as an extension to various freight for town growth extensions, your profits are also needed for towns to grow
10:35:37 <oskari89> And more profits -> More town growth
10:36:17 <InducTrackerOTTD> I was suggesting, tax collection as part of a larger scheme of town growth requisites/stimulants
10:36:31 <oskari89> Town growth rate could be very much related to non-taxed profits, and taxation % could depend of amount of profit
10:36:55 <InducTrackerOTTD> ahh, but perhaps not even directly collected tax->growth, but also modifying how much town buildings can soak up goods
10:37:36 <InducTrackerOTTD> progressive taxing would certanly be a reasonable assumption
10:39:01 <InducTrackerOTTD> It could also be a mechanism for motivationt the development of smaller towns, they'd perhaps very vaguely as 'tax havens', cheaper to develop in their region of influence cause they have lower expansion expenditure to collect tax for
11:21:47 <V453000> ooooh, filter for servers, finally :)
11:22:33 <V453000> will it filter newGRFs too latere? :)
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12:35:07 <dihedral> InducTrackerOTTD, tax stuff is in another game
13:22:46 <InducTrackerOTTD> dihedral: tell oskari89 which game, when you recall
13:23:10 <dihedral> InducTrackerOTTD, i think it was something along the lines of sim something
13:23:37 <InducTrackerOTTD> dihedral: wasn't my idea, I just took part of some brainstroming
13:24:55 <dihedral> bagr, which grf can you not get?
13:32:56 <bagr> dihedral: new bridges 0.41, "container freight station and h", "NewShips", "North American city Set v0.1c"
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13:47:41 <V453000> he sends you a list and leaves
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14:42:45 <oskari89> Is there wagon replace possible?
14:43:20 <oskari89> I am manually upgrading my wagons to next model from 10 trains manually, if it could be automatized, it would be nice
14:46:57 <oskari89> Locomotive or MU replacing is possible, but coach/wagon?
14:47:30 <oskari89> Oh, never mind, i found that :)
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15:33:00 <oskari89> Also adding wagons to group of trains would be nice..
15:33:20 <oskari89> Upgrading length from 10 -> 16
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17:44:24 <LordAro> can't stay for long, but i just spotted this:
17:44:41 <LordAro> "Are you ready for some OpenTTD (Transport Tycoon) tonight with Duncan, Lewis and Sips? Tune in tonight!" ~ The Yogscast
17:44:57 <LordAro> get those servers ready! :)
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17:57:15 <LordAro> well, you can't say i didn't warn you
17:58:29 <peter1138> you can't chat without subscribing ;(
18:06:08 <^Spike^> ... that kind of streams again... that's annoying on twitch...
18:06:19 <^Spike^> the money hungry casts... or casts that lack proper mods
18:07:52 <^Spike^> back to watching a different cast while i play with a loadbalancer...
18:08:05 <^Spike^> somehow can't stand it that a master-slave loadbalancer fails to do a failover...|
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18:11:13 <^Spike^> it's not that hard.. got 2 loadbalancers.. of which 1 should take over if i kill the master manually or it fails... but for some reason at work it doesn't.... :)
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18:46:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24796 /trunk/src/lang (11 files in 2 dirs) (2012-12-06 18:46:10 UTC)
18:46:28 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:46:29 <DorpsGek> basque - 272 changes by lutxiketa
18:46:30 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 37 changes by KorneySan
18:46:31 <DorpsGek> dutch - 42 changes by habell
18:46:32 <DorpsGek> english_US - 66 changes by Rubidium
18:46:33 <DorpsGek> finnish - 66 changes by jpx_
18:46:34 <DorpsGek> french - 61 changes by glx
18:46:35 <DorpsGek> german - 36 changes by planetmaker
18:46:36 <DorpsGek> greek - 11 changes by Evropi
18:46:37 <DorpsGek> italian - 36 changes by lorenzodv
18:46:38 <DorpsGek> russian - 46 changes by KorneySan
18:46:39 <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 66 changes by Norby89
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20:02:25 * drac_boy smacks flygon with your own shovel goddamn it :P
20:02:45 <Alberth> dangerous place here :)
20:03:24 <drac_boy> alberth well tell that to flygon he's sometimes cranky with me
20:05:04 <Alberth> but now that you have released all tha anger you feel at peace with the world again, no?
20:20:25 <frosch123> available or finished?
20:23:16 <andythenorth> ragu (refrigerated)
20:23:21 <andythenorth> cheese sauce (liquid)
20:23:28 <andythenorth> pasta (piece goods)
20:23:37 <andythenorth> produces lasagne (express, heated)
20:24:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i was under the impression it's spelled ragout
20:27:01 <frosch123> ragú and ragoût are different things
20:27:53 <frosch123> one is italian, the other one is french
20:28:11 <frosch123> and if you have the choice between italian and french food, it's usually easy :p
20:32:57 <andythenorth> I suppose I'd better convert some more FIRS
20:34:11 <andythenorth> 2 industries left
20:37:40 <frosch123> how does their ottd skill compare to chivalry?
20:37:48 <andythenorth> yogscast are UK English? :o
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20:41:00 <Alberth> ha, anyone want grf2html 0.4? :)
20:41:42 <Alberth> I found it at my hard disk :)
20:42:08 <frosch123> well, i guess it is not much older than the latest release :p
20:42:54 <andythenorth> there's a new grf making thingy
20:42:58 <frosch123> hmm, ok: Version 0.5.2 - 2010-05-02, Version 0.4 - 2007-11-16
20:43:41 <frosch123> ah, 0.4 is first freepascal version
20:44:08 <peter1138> they were playing xcom when i was watching earlier
20:47:18 * andythenorth plays a game of 'which yogscast member am I?'
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20:57:06 <peter1138> they need a pro to play
21:02:41 <frosch123> hmm, what is more awkward? people playing ottd with mouse-only, or people playing starcraft with mouse only?
21:03:31 <peter1138> never played starcraft
21:03:47 <frosch123> Zeknurn: consider how weird it is to remove track without keyboard
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21:24:17 <jonty-comp> they could really do with some openttd guru going and fixing their connections over at yogcast HQ
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21:24:40 <frosch123> usually wlan is the issue
21:24:48 <jonty-comp> for some reason they've hosted the server at ridgedog's PC in america, when 4 out of 5 players are in the UK
21:24:59 <jonty-comp> and the two that are actually being livestreamed are in the same buidling :p
21:25:20 <jonty-comp> they have a cool greenscreen setup though
21:25:33 <frosch123> ottd does not need a lot of bandwith, but low latency
21:25:56 <jonty-comp> probably doesn't help that they're streaming 720p video upstream over cable internet too
21:25:57 <frosch123> so, maybe they should just increase the timeouts, like the chat suggests :p
21:38:52 <frosch123> jonty-comp: it would probably help with the guys in the chat would tell syntaxically correct commands :)
21:39:04 <NGC3982> I have something kind of odd i need help with.
21:39:08 <jonty-comp> well they are all morons, so it figures
21:39:23 <NGC3982> I'm in this competition, and i need to make a recording in german.
21:39:28 <NGC3982> This is, i don't speak german.
21:39:37 <NGC3982> Though, i wanted to make the lyrics OpenTTD related.
21:39:48 <NGC3982> In a slap dash kinda Kraftwerk way.
21:40:24 <frosch123> why do you participate in a german thingie if you do not speak german? :p
21:41:07 <NGC3982> A part of the competition is to make according to a specific theme.
21:41:29 <NGC3982> I got "Kraftwerk meets Swedish folk songs"
21:42:31 <NGC3982> "Making a depot" > "Machen Sie das Depot"?
21:43:25 <frosch123> a -> ein, the -> das
21:44:44 <frosch123> your english term is somewhat infinitivish
21:44:55 <frosch123> the gerrman one you made is imperative
21:45:02 <frosch123> no idea what you meant :)
21:45:05 <NGC3982> "Making the depot" works too.
21:45:15 <NGC3982> I'll google translate it.
21:45:19 <NGC3982> It doesn't really matter.
21:45:25 <frosch123> also, usually you never use "make" in german
21:45:35 <frosch123> so, you should go for buy -> bauen
21:46:34 <NGC3982> But, what about Kaufen?
21:46:57 <frosch123> buy->kaufen, build->bauen :)
21:51:20 <NGC3982> frosch123: Stick around for the recording.
21:53:00 * NGC3982 is about to record what he tried to translate.
22:00:32 * Eddi|zuHause suspects it's going to be horrible :p
22:01:13 <frosch123> well, i am tired, and usually kraftwerk is good for falling asleep
22:01:38 <Eddi|zuHause> # Sie ist ein Model und sie sieht gut aus
22:02:26 <frosch123> the rammstein version is acceptable :)
22:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like heavy metal versions of "alle meine Entchen"? ;)
22:06:29 <frosch123> __ln___: at least the comments are awesome :)
22:06:47 <frosch123> typical german police series: "matula", "die alte" ...
22:09:07 <Eddi|zuHause> the coughing reminds me of charlie chaplin :)
22:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not getting the running joke about the turkish...
22:14:30 <__ln___> i'm not sure if there is a reasonable idea behind every joke there :)
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22:21:14 <pugi> they are using CL1 turns :(
22:21:30 <SpComb> hard to see details on the streams
22:22:43 <pugi> but i only play openttdcoop, i am not used to normal playing :D
22:22:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24797 /trunk/src/lang (basque.txt unfinished/basque.txt) (2012-12-06 22:22:40 UTC)
22:22:47 <DorpsGek> -Change: upgrade Basque from unfinished to (nearly) finished translation
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22:25:11 <V453000> pugi: openttdcoop is normal
22:25:32 <LordAro> we all watching the yogscast fail?
22:25:41 <jonty-comp> i think they are a bit tired
22:25:50 <jonty-comp> you can tell, because they are singing the macarena.
22:26:12 <frosch123> LordAro: i am still not sure how their ottd skills compare to chivalry skills :)
22:26:44 <SpComb> at least they're not dealing with patches and newgrfs and stuff :)
22:26:45 <pugi> i don't think they start with a moneymaker now and let it run for several years while adding plans to map :D
22:27:18 <LordAro> frosch123: i only just started watching (internet grumbles) so i don't know what you are referencing
22:27:58 <LordAro> is that the openmsx music i hear in the background?
22:28:04 <frosch123> LordAro: i stopped; watching people playing ottd without keyboard is painful
22:28:38 <frosch123> LordAro: most likely, they use ottd 1.2.3 with ogfx, so i guess everything the win installer provides by default
22:28:46 <LordAro> :P tbh, i use the keyboard surprisingly little
22:28:56 <frosch123> LordAro: how do you remove tracks?
22:29:12 <LordAro> i click the bulldozer button :P
22:29:25 <frosch123> LordAro: ok, you may continue watching :p
22:29:43 <LordAro> "..win installer..." that seems likely, although they managed to get chillpatch pack up and running last year
22:29:49 <frosch123> the correct answer would be: select autorail with "a"
22:29:52 <frosch123> and use ctrl to remove
22:30:16 <LordAro> hmm, i might use ctrl :L
22:30:25 <LordAro> i haven't actually played in a while :L
22:31:07 <LordAro> dang, was their last ottd livestream really a year ago?
22:32:11 <Zeknurn> Yeah they haven't played in a year.
22:32:56 <pugi> you can notice it, yeah :D
22:33:29 <pugi> manually adding signals...
22:33:34 <SpComb> watching this reminds me of playing ottd on a touchscreen phone
22:33:39 <LordAro> Zeknurn: i was the one who alerted the devs originally :)
22:34:11 <LordAro> i wonder if i can find the part of the vid where they find out the devs are watching them... :)
22:34:22 <frosch123> LordAro: anyway, i was referring to the recent tgs chivalry battle
22:34:52 <pugi> i watched that because jefmajor was in it :D
22:35:19 <frosch123> pugi: i watched it because teamdickbutts was in it :p
22:35:40 <frosch123> everyone watches for different people :p
22:41:22 <V453000> hm why does "set min_active_clients" on a server output your own config value instead of the server? No normal clients have rcon password to get that setting :s
22:41:33 <Eddi|zuHause> <V453000> pugi: openttdcoop is normal <-- somehow this reminds me of the german joke about "Geisterfahrer" :)
22:41:56 <pugi> everyone else is driving the wrong way? :D
22:41:56 <V453000> no idea what that is :)
22:43:38 <pugi> a geisterfahrer is a wrong-way-driver
22:43:57 <V453000> yeah I just figured :)
22:43:57 <pugi> usually happens on the autobahn, where the lanes are seperated
22:43:57 <Eddi|zuHause> in german, a "Geisterfahrer" is a person who drives on the wrong side of the autobahn
22:44:42 <V453000> I dont think we do anything wrongly, building big things is quite normal and advanced building just comes over the ages of archived games and wiki resources
22:44:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and then in the radio they announce "on autobahn X there is a Geisterfahrer". and the Geisterfahrer says "what? one? hundreds!!!"
22:45:07 <V453000> yes :) heard that in blonde variation
22:45:22 <pugi> V453000, we start already huge and don't care about money :D
22:45:35 <V453000> what is wrong about that :)
22:47:01 <pugi> i even joined the coop server again yesterday :D
22:47:35 <V453000> I didnt even notice :)
22:47:47 <V453000> you should try the prozone
22:48:07 <V453000> I admit 200+ orders isnt entirely normal
22:48:18 <pugi> the autologin thing still worked :D
22:48:27 <pugi> prozone might be too pro for me :D
22:48:34 <V453000> :) it might be borked for pz
22:48:39 <FLHerne> Yogscast really are a bit useless, aren't they? :D
22:49:00 <pugi> they are fun to watch mostly
22:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> and use ctrl to remove <-- i always use R to remove
22:49:19 <pugi> but haven't really seen any recent stuff...
22:49:29 <FLHerne> pugi: Very much so, but I find it better when they have some idea what they're up to
22:49:32 <pugi> but i really enjoyed the podcasts :D
22:49:45 * FLHerne has watched quite a bit of their Minecraft stuff
22:49:49 <Eddi|zuHause> it's more consistent over several tools
22:49:59 <pugi> they seem to have some ideas how to play...
22:50:13 <pugi> they certainly aren't as incompetent as they could be :D
22:50:14 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. with signals, ctrl means different things, whereas R means the same
22:50:22 <FLHerne> Also, someone tell them to use some nice grfs :P
22:50:26 <jonty-comp> they know *how* to play, they're just not very good at it
22:50:37 <V453000> oh god do you really enjoy watching that?
22:50:42 <jonty-comp> pfft, they spent 2 hours just getting the game to work at all
22:50:47 <jonty-comp> GRFs is clearly not going to help
22:50:54 <FLHerne> pugi: They know the rules, but not the strategy :-)
22:51:05 <pugi> the problem is that they have to play so many different things to make the fans happy :D
22:51:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Jeden Tag so schnell. Jaaaa.
22:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (i still have no idea what that actually means :P)
22:52:07 <FLHerne> Er...they just built a double-track line straight up a 6-tile slope o_O
22:52:31 <pugi> not a problem in coop :D
22:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i still did that 5 years into playing TT
22:55:31 <V453000> cause yeah why wouldnt you if your trains are strong enough :)
22:56:00 <NGC3982> This sounds fantasticly stupid.
22:57:29 <Eddi|zuHause> does it even matter with original acceleration?
22:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> might be even better to climb multiple slopes at once, instead of slowing down several times in a row
22:57:53 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Looks it, given the speed most of the trains are going :P
22:58:07 <FLHerne> Averted (for now) :-(
22:58:20 <SpComb> messing with signals = recipe for failure
22:58:26 <Eddi|zuHause> do they know they can ctrl+click on a train to stop it?
22:58:36 <pugi> they don't know many of the shorcuts :D
22:58:39 <SpComb> I didn't even know that :P
22:58:42 <V453000> anyone uses original acceleration? :d
22:58:42 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: Thing is, they could have built it a dozen tiles to one side and just gone around the hill :P
22:59:35 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe some people who don't update their config :)
23:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> but i rather meant when i last played TT
23:08:09 <NGC3982> V453000: Oh, sorry. Not related to your discussion at all.
23:08:35 <V453000> doesnt matter even if it was :)
23:08:58 <jonty-comp> can someone make a goats grf now please
23:10:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd rather not have the existence of a goatse grf anywhere on the internet...
23:12:13 <NGC3982> Now that's a feature.
23:14:07 <NGC3982> Links in vicinity of goatse remarks are not to be clicked.
23:14:13 <NGC3982> That's so cute, though
23:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause> why is this not a toyland set? :p
23:14:43 <V453000> it is (also) a toyland set? :P
23:14:48 <V453000> though livestock isnt in toyland
23:54:30 * Flygon shovels drac_boy into somebody's mouth
23:54:39 * Flygon lights a fire in someone's belly :B
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