IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-11-26
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03:11:50 <MinchinWeb> Is there someone on who can make a quick typo fix in the NoAI documentation?
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10:17:29 * NGC3982 would use EPS all the way.
10:23:48 <NGC3982> The electric path signal (and mostly one-way).
10:24:17 <NGC3982> I'm not the right person to teach about PBS, but it mostly suits me.
10:26:44 <NGC3982> I haven't (oddly enough since ive been playing OpenTTD for quite som time now) botherd to learn using PBS correctly, though.
10:30:31 <peter1138> I would've replied had they not left...
10:30:57 <peter1138> I don't think I've ever seen path signals referred to as "EPS" before, though.
10:32:23 <NGC3982> I was trying to refer to the design more than the function.
10:32:35 <NGC3982> But yes, could have used something more correct.
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11:59:26 <Flygon> I can't be stuffed using entry/exit signals, if that's what you mean :P
12:02:34 <peter1138> They're a bit oldschool
12:06:31 <Flygon> I always got by perfectly with ordinary one-way and those signals that have a signal on one end but can be passed from behind
12:13:44 <V453000> not to mention that the possibilities using pre-signals are just ridiculously various :p
12:14:57 <NGC3982> I don't think i have ever used entry/exit for something useful
12:16:25 <Flygon> I don't really think of any particulary uses for it at this moment
12:16:36 <Flygon> None that're entirely practical, anyway
12:17:39 <V453000> telling trains why to go where, under what conditions to go or not, chaining the conditions, making the conditions consist of almost absolutely anything, ...
12:18:17 <V453000> like, let train A go towards the station if there is a) at least an empty platform, b) no other train coming to the station, c) no other train going towards that platform
12:18:24 <V453000> and anything else you could think of
12:22:35 <NGC3982> Well, i guess that is true, and i guess it's sad that i don't use it.
12:22:36 <Flygon> I'm pretty sure you can do that with just one-way and pass-behind signals
12:22:45 <NGC3982> And i have never got around to learn about it.
12:22:53 <Flygon> Barring b... if it's a two-way station
12:23:20 <Flygon> I'd rather have multiple trains going in at once, rather than just one at once, for the sake of time
12:23:31 <Flygon> I see no reason not to shove in-shove out as fast as possible
12:24:01 <Flygon> DDR clearly hasn't seen me on other networks
12:24:12 <V453000> that has nothing to do with throughput, those trains could be like a backup coming from elsewhere
12:25:34 <V453000> no like a train stored in a depot because it couldnt load previously
12:27:48 <Flygon> Oh, you mean a train going into the depot instead of the station
12:27:54 <Flygon> Then going into the station when there's room?
12:29:07 <NGC3982> Almost the same as me
12:29:33 <Flygon> Why're we arguing then? :D
12:31:04 <NGC3982> I guess one could up the anti a bit
12:31:25 <NGC3982> For instance, using entry exit to send trains to a nearby depot when a station is full
12:31:52 <SpComb> hmm... interesting how minecraft compares to openttd in terms of community servers and customizations
12:32:10 <Flygon> I ended up having to turn it into a terminus D:
12:32:26 <SpComb> minecraft has mods/texture packs where openttd has patches/newgrfs, etc
12:32:43 <Flygon> NGC: Your stations are much cleaner than mine
12:32:59 <Flygon> Ragnarok Online just gets plain GRF's :B
12:33:01 <NGC3982> I do not think i use as much traffic.
12:33:08 <Flygon> Pain in the arse to mod, though
12:33:11 <V453000> no, the trains go to depot because station is full, diverted by 2way block signals
12:33:19 <Flygon> You seem focused on cargo, not insane amonts of passenger
12:33:38 <NGC3982> If you want to take a looker
12:35:08 <peter1138> So many signals in Berlin?
12:35:53 <Flygon> peter1138: Me being lazy with signal spacing, if you're referring to the 1-ways
12:36:54 <NGC3982> When taking the theoretical spacing between tiles in consideration, that's not that many? ;)
12:38:08 <Flygon> Why do I have a 6 track segment on this map @_@"
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15:47:40 <planetmaker> SpComb, so... doesn't any game which allows to load add-ons / modpacks and which is opensource have these two kind of game modifications?
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15:55:09 <SpComb> planetmaker: sure, but there are still differences
15:57:16 <andythenorth> whatever it is :)
15:58:09 <andythenorth> o sorry, /me is trolling :P
16:10:08 <sponge> Is there a way to prevent a train from starting moving towards a green exit signal only to have it turn red at the last millisecond by a train using the connection track?
16:11:00 <sponge> I keep using pbs because it sometimes blocks two tracks while this is happening.
16:12:21 <Pinkbeast> The train is no worse off for doing so, surely
16:20:38 <planetmaker> sponge, not sure what setup you refer to... signals work exactly by their defined logic. Exit signals, mind, don't make sense, if not preceeded by an entry signal
16:20:54 <planetmaker> (or by a combination of combo and entry signals)
16:22:39 <V453000> pm that happens when 2 comboes lead to 1 signal block
16:22:58 <V453000> both trains at both entry signals leading to the comboes wait at the same time, both start at the same time, but only one can go through ofc
16:23:22 <planetmaker> I mean... *you* know how they work ;-)
16:23:46 <planetmaker> all I wanted to say is: they work as specified. If you make a bad design... your problem :-)
16:24:00 <planetmaker> their purpose is to show red, if the block behind them is occupied
16:24:27 <planetmaker> and there are ways to construct your signal block so that only one train will enter the whole cascade
16:24:35 <planetmaker> albeit a bit more complex possibly
16:25:12 <planetmaker> which then, of course, could simply also be broken down to only using one signal block, if you don't want a train to stop an intermediate signal at all
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18:41:56 <andythenorth> still sounds like a duck to me :P
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19:17:13 <andythenorth> compile on first attempt was too much to hope for :P
19:21:02 <Alberth> a good target to aim for :p
19:21:53 <andythenorth> I've failed 7 so far :P
19:22:26 <andythenorth> compile takes so long I start reading news or whatever on the web
19:22:31 <andythenorth> then I forget my place :p
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22:36:03 <NGC3982> Is there any way to build raw material industries in-game?
22:36:09 <NGC3982> For FIRS, for instance?
22:36:25 <supermop> yes, if the advanced settings are set to allow it
22:40:36 <NGC3982> supermop: Where do i find this setting?
22:40:46 <NGC3982> I thought that originally was a NewGRF parameter.
22:44:10 <supermop> in the advanced settings menu i think under the economy tree
22:44:30 <supermop> set to either 'prospecting' or 'as other industries'
22:45:27 <NGC3982> supermop: Thank you, so much. :-)
22:45:58 <supermop> primary industries generally tend to be much more expensive though
22:48:40 <NGC3982> When i get to the "end" of a map (2050-ish with no new trains), it feels like a good feature to start building new industries.
22:49:09 <NGC3982> Since with FIRS, good usage always results in a grand surplus of farm- and engineering supplies.
22:49:49 <supermop> which i guess makes sense gameplay wise, but i find it odd that planting a field of pine trees cost 1-2 orders of magnitude more than building a steel mill
23:04:13 <NGC3982> Can someone remind me to send this to Andy when he returns (sober).
23:15:03 <Eddi|zuHause> looks interesting :)
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23:16:49 <NGC3982> The thing is, the artifacts only appear on that tile type
23:17:08 <NGC3982> As far as i have tried.
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