IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2012-09-13
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06:55:09 <Terkhen> good evening Supercheese
06:55:34 <Supercheese> I've been meaning to file a bug report for a while but I'm swamped with homework for my solid modeling class
06:56:53 <Supercheese> when returning a negative value for the refit_cost callback, the refit window displays "Cost of refit: {RED} -$14,752"
06:57:09 <Supercheese> but you are refunded the money
06:57:19 <Supercheese> the functionality is as intended, just the display is a bit odd
06:57:57 <Supercheese> if you need/want a .grf that does this, I can provide one
06:58:18 <Supercheese> if you don't want to bother right now, I'll make a formal report later
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07:40:27 <Terkhen> Supercheese: thanks, a bug report like that would be nice
07:41:01 <Supercheese> Well, I'm developing it as we speak (type)
07:41:13 <Supercheese> currently adding variable running costs
07:41:16 <Terkhen> right now I'm at work, and therefore my chances of forgetting this conversation are nearly 100%
07:41:22 <Supercheese> as I said, I'll make a formal bug report
07:41:43 <Supercheese> once things have settled down, probably a good 12-13 hours from now after some sleep
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10:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a function to single-step through the ticks
10:03:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. "unpause for one tick, then pause again"
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10:37:55 * dihedral wonders what happened to frosch
10:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> what kind of "happen"?
10:38:53 <Eddi|zuHause> he was here yesterday
10:40:41 * peter1138 wonders what happened to dihedral
10:42:22 <planetmaker> frosch actually is here like every day with a few exceptions. And he's very active
10:42:36 <peter1138> But nobody asks about me.
10:43:20 <planetmaker> still I wonder what happened ;-)
10:43:49 <dihedral> i just want certain feedback ;-) and thought i could catch him here
10:44:07 <planetmaker> dihedral, never during working hours ;-)
10:44:14 <planetmaker> he's no slacker like you and me :-P
10:44:29 <dihedral> i pitty the fool :-D
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11:24:40 <NGC3982> Who to'me them liiieees.
11:28:12 <NGC3982> I was continuing the Mr.T quote.
11:29:53 <peter1138> Oh. You missed a space.
11:30:45 <NGC3982> He always said it so fast that it kind of melted together
11:30:55 <peter1138> Who tome them lies?
11:31:16 <NGC3982> "Tho m" or something like that.
11:31:25 <NGC3982> Im not sure on how to express the phonetics.
11:36:02 <peter1138> Clearly you need to use the Standard Mr T. Phonetic Alphabet.
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12:10:09 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, wrt your "one tick steps": maybe it's possible to get that via a simple GS?
12:10:56 <planetmaker> though arguably, it's better implemented without as one of the debugging or (newgrf?) developer options
13:38:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought ukrs came with "finescale" tracks nowadays
13:42:16 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: That are SwedishRails.
13:45:05 <Eddi|zuHause> "eGRSTS2-nml.grf" <- is that a typo?
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13:46:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you have way too many grfs, anyway :)
13:47:16 <Eddi|zuHause> it's probably a bad idea to have two AIs with the same "personality"
13:47:52 <fjb> No, it is kind of fun. They are often building the same route, but not always.
13:54:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think there were ever that many steam trucks in the world :)
14:02:33 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: But they are cute. :)
14:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i should finally get some generic graphics into CETS, to make a beta release
14:08:05 <fjb> Ah, that set. Looks great.
14:08:22 <fjb> I only knew the vehicles table yet.
14:08:24 <planetmaker> oberhumer seems to have stopped providing sprites?
14:08:57 <Eddi|zuHause> last i heard he has a serious case of real life
14:09:31 <planetmaker> I guess there's little cure against RL attacks :-P
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14:14:10 * fjb is also constantly fighting real life attacks.
14:14:58 <Belugas> in the end, it always win...
14:15:04 <Terkhen> just ignore RL issues
14:15:18 <Belugas> "Honey, have you put the trashes on the street?"
14:15:28 <Belugas> try to ignore that one...
14:16:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "Do it yourself!" :p
14:16:54 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: May be she tells him just that in the evening if he told it her in the afternoon...
14:18:30 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause have not met my wife, nor has he have one!
14:49:29 <Rubidium> Belugas: pff... she's nice. A lovely dinner at the table when you return home. Imagine the time you would have spent on that dinner ;)
14:53:14 <andythenorth> my wife is way too busy dealing with two kids
14:54:51 <Belugas> granted, Rubidium :) that's why i should not elude the little part she asks me to do here and there ;)
14:55:02 <Belugas> andythenorth, a man has to do what a man has to do
15:00:52 <fjb> Wouldn't we all do everything for our wives or girlfriends or both?
15:01:19 <planetmaker> just make sure the two never meet
15:01:33 <Belugas> gaaa.. planetmaker was too fast...
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16:25:25 <Bad_Brett> Eddi: The patch is absolutely fantastic. Thank you for your effort!
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16:31:34 <Supercheese> You got the better vehicle movement working?
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16:40:50 <Bad_Brett> no, eddi got it working! :D
16:41:06 <Supercheese> Then let that "you" be a plural "you" ;)
16:42:21 <Bad_Brett> yes! you should see my oxen walking through the landscape... a tear fell from my eye :D
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16:47:07 <Supercheese> ugh, so much homework for my solid modeling class
16:47:17 <Supercheese> can't develop GRFs as much as I'd like to
16:47:42 <Bad_Brett> solid modeling? what are you studying?
16:47:50 <Supercheese> Engineering SolidWorks at the moment
16:47:58 <Supercheese> making parts and assemblies and stuff
16:47:59 <Bad_Brett> oh... i'm quite good at that
16:48:08 <Supercheese> I need to get good :D
16:48:30 <Bad_Brett> i think solidworks is really fun to work with though
16:48:37 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like something that will soon be obsoleted by 3D printers
16:48:50 <Supercheese> Eddi, you feed these to 3D printers
16:49:58 <Supercheese> Solidworks has a really neat rendering package
16:50:16 <Bad_Brett> it has? i always export my models to 3ds max
16:50:32 * Supercheese hasn't learned anything about 3ds max yet
16:50:41 <Supercheese> perhaps its is better
16:50:50 <Supercheese> "its is", that's awkward to say
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16:55:52 <BadBrett> Arrgh... stupid computer froze completely
16:56:24 <BadBrett> anyway for photo realistic images i would recommend a pluglin like maxwell or vray... or possible that hypershot thing, which i have zero experience with
16:56:47 <Supercheese> Hmm, if they cost money I'm not interested :P
16:57:02 <Supercheese> for my class though, I'm required to do things the way the professor wants
16:57:02 <BadBrett> yeah... um... forgot about that ;)
16:57:13 * Supercheese is a poor college student
16:57:26 <BadBrett> * BadBrett is also a poor student
16:57:33 <BadBrett> hey how do you make it purple?
16:57:57 <BadBrett> yeah the text is purple for me
16:58:07 <Supercheese> that's your IRC client setting
16:58:07 <Eddi|zuHause> your name is now purple as well :p
16:58:17 <Supercheese> depends on which client yer usin
16:58:36 <BadBrett> so what are you designing? complicated stuff?
16:59:07 <Supercheese> I just started the class this semester, as part of the required curriculum for my Mechanical Engineering major
16:59:29 <Eddi|zuHause> BadBrett: btw, the technical term for "the purple text" is "action"
16:59:30 <BadBrett> yeah... i recently got one of those :)
16:59:31 <NGC3982> BadBrett: You are using mIRC. You can change the color scheme of your client by clicking Tools > Color.
16:59:36 <Supercheese> but my dad's been wanting to have me do his Solidworks for him for some time
17:00:06 <Supercheese> so I'll quite possibly end up modeling plastic aspheric lenses sometime in the not so distant future
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17:01:04 <Supercheese> anyway, I was using the /me command
17:01:08 <Supercheese> if that wasn't obvious
17:01:15 <Bad_Brett> guess i'm kind of n00b :)
17:03:22 <Bad_Brett> how many years is a major?
17:03:35 <Supercheese> here in the states, a 4 year program
17:03:55 <Supercheese> although I'm double majoring so I get 2 degrees out of it
17:03:59 <Bad_Brett> alright... and a master is 5 years?
17:04:28 <Supercheese> Masters programs can vary, I think
17:04:38 <Supercheese> especially if you go international
17:04:53 <Supercheese> same with PhD programs
17:04:58 <Bad_Brett> we basically have two programs in sweden, bachelor and master (3 and 5 years)
17:05:59 <Supercheese> Bachelors programs here in the states are pretty uniformly 4 year programs
17:06:15 <Supercheese> and then you can go for 2-3-4-more I guess for a Masters program
17:06:37 <Supercheese> I'm not entirely sure how long graduate programs take, likely the answer is "as long as you need"
17:06:56 <Supercheese> and Medical school is different
17:07:04 * Supercheese thinks it all rather confusing
17:07:35 <__ln__> and master Yoda is still only a master.
17:07:47 <Supercheese> Like my dad, he never got his Doctorate :P
17:08:02 <Bad_Brett> so what is your other major going to be?
17:08:13 <Supercheese> Applied Physics, there's quite a bit of overlap
17:08:34 <Supercheese> Quantum mechanics fascinates me
17:08:39 <Bad_Brett> you'll be a rich man then
17:08:49 <Supercheese> I always say "It's not quantum mechanics" instead of "It's not rocket science"
17:08:57 <Supercheese> because rocket science is pretty straightforward, really
17:09:14 <Bad_Brett> it's cool but very abstract
17:09:36 <Supercheese> your rocket can't be simultaneously in two states :P
17:10:25 <Supercheese> and you can know exactly where and exactly how fast your rocket is going, rather than knowing exactly how fast but it being spread out over the entire universe
17:11:14 <Rubidium> why? If you measure it's location or speed you're changing it ;)
17:11:34 <Supercheese> see? much harder than rocket science
17:12:05 <Rubidium> why? rocket science has to account for quantum mechanics ;)
17:12:20 <Supercheese> but it reduces to Newtonian mechanics at the macro scale
17:12:25 <Supercheese> more or less anyway
17:12:39 <Bad_Brett> first game of the season
17:13:21 <Supercheese> here in the US, "hockey" by default is ice hockey and not field hockey, is that also true in other places?
17:13:26 <Supercheese> (i.e. where you are)
17:14:45 <Supercheese> I didn't even know field hockey existed until my teenage years, it's not very popular here
17:14:52 * Rubidium wonders whether you want to know the ∀ or ∃ answer
17:15:12 <Supercheese> and then there's the whole football/American football debacle
17:15:14 <Rubidium> they're respectively false and true
17:15:44 <Bad_Brett> field hockey is very unusual in sweden... we play floorball instead
17:15:46 <Rubidium> you got football and handegg is famous in the US
17:17:22 <Supercheese> American football... the ball barely ever contacts the foot, only when kicking off, kicking field goals, or punting
17:17:29 <Supercheese> why on Earth did someone call it football?
17:17:53 <Supercheese> perhaps the same fellow who called it Aluminum
17:18:29 <Bad_Brett> i try to understand it every year during super bowl... i guess you have to look at it more as a tactical game than a fast paced sport
17:18:38 <Supercheese> well, called Aluminium Aluminum, rather
17:19:06 <Supercheese> I vastly prefer watching the Premier League than any American football
17:19:27 <Supercheese> or Euro, or World Cup, etc
17:19:35 <Bad_Brett> but i mostly watch hockey
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17:43:45 <Supercheese> off to class, back in a few
17:44:01 <Supercheese> d'oh, my away status has been set this whole time *facepalm*
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17:57:34 <__ln__> openttd/src/video/cocoa/cocoa_v.mm:244:28: warning: extra tokens at end of #ifdef directive [-Wextra-tokens]
18:01:15 <__ln__> #ifdef ENABLE_COCOA_QUARTZ && (MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4)
18:02:02 <Yexo> #if defined(ENABLE_COCOA_QUARTZ) && (MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED >= MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_4) <- should be that I guess
18:03:56 <Yexo> planetmaker: ^^ still have a mac to test it on?
18:04:56 <__ln__> there's a similar problem also on line 257 in the same file.
18:06:01 <Alberth> the tricky part is that it's objective-c perhaps
18:06:27 <Yexo> is the preprocessor any different?
18:07:31 <Rubidium> guess that shows how well the OSX support is...
18:07:47 <Yexo> cf doesn't have any warnings about it in the build log
18:08:14 <Rubidium> it's a pretty old compiler
18:08:22 <__ln__> i'm compiling with clang
18:09:11 <Yexo> __ln__: since you can at least compile it, could you provide a patch that fixes this?
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18:15:22 <__ln__> now the good question is whether the obvious fixes will alter behaviour. at least it still compiles and runs on this machine.
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18:42:35 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: yexo * r24524 /trunk/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#5296]: fix some compile problems in mac-only code (__ln__)
18:43:31 <Bad_Brett> the most natural of all logarithms
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19:30:53 <andythenorth> opinions on new FIRS supplies mechanic?
19:34:51 <Simonn> HI I have superurgent question!
19:35:03 <Simonn> I have an oil well, does it matter if the train station is one block in the well or entirely?
19:35:11 <Simonn> will it matter on the supply rate/load rate?
19:36:22 <Simonn> hurry hurry the train is coming
19:37:53 <Simonn> so as long as it says supplies: oil
19:37:55 <frosch123> the capture area does not affect anything
19:37:58 <Simonn> even if I have only one tile of oil
19:38:02 <Simonn> it'll benefit from all the oil wells?
19:38:29 <Simonn> then I can get mail,oil,passengers and water from ONE station
19:38:45 <Simonn> I'll call the station AndyFrosch
19:38:50 <Simonn> just cause you guys are so awesome and informed me
19:39:27 <Simonn> one more question andythenorth frosch123, what about passengers/mail?
19:39:37 <Simonn> are those affected by the amount of the city I have in my blue zone thingie?
19:39:50 <andythenorth> frosch123: station catchment is complicated right? :P
19:40:04 <andythenorth> I drew a diagram once because it totally confused me :P
19:40:06 <frosch123> Simonn: every house produced on its own
19:40:23 <frosch123> so only the houses in the catchment area supply
19:40:51 <Simonn> like with mail & shit lol?
19:42:41 <andythenorth> I miss the way YACD made transfers easy :P
19:43:28 <Simonn> I am so excited open openttd
19:43:48 <andythenorth> thanks for sharing :D
19:45:39 <Simonn> my girlfriend plays openttd right
19:45:41 <Simonn> I mean whats up with that
19:45:49 <Simonn> I told her to go play restaurant empire instead or something
19:45:57 <Simonn> something educative for her lifestyle you know
19:46:32 <andythenorth> and then she said....?
19:48:36 <Knogle> I'm already playing ;)
19:48:52 <Simonn> andythenorth said you are chicken
19:48:59 <Simonn> that you don't play online cause u always lose
19:50:38 <Simonn> you know what I find the hardest
19:50:46 <Simonn> don't even get me started on those
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19:51:36 <Simonn> I mean it even has SEMAPHORES in them... the fuck guys remove those I mean helloooo electricityy
20:01:39 <Bad_Brett> Can you prevent a vehicle from ever breaking down? currently my cows are on fire
20:04:30 <Simonn> yes in advanced sttings
20:04:40 <Rubidium> disable the breakdowns in difficulty settings?
20:04:48 <Simonn> pls answer opentdd crew
20:04:54 <Simonn> how many carts can it hold?
20:05:12 <Rubidium> longest platform is 64
20:05:36 <Rubidium> and the number of wagons depends on the length of the engine(s) and the ength of the wagons
20:05:41 <Simonn> dude I put platform length 7
20:05:45 <Simonn> how many oil tankers can I put in that
20:06:43 <Rubidium> just build a train engine and add wagons until the number next to the train is 7.0
20:07:00 <Rubidium> (when it's more you need to remove wagons)
20:10:18 <Bad_Brett> Rubidium: That's a dirty solution... i want breakdowns, i just want don't want to see my cows burning...perhaps the only way is to change the breakdown animation to something that makes more sense... the question is what
20:14:00 <Simonn> cow burning is pretty cruel
20:18:34 <FLHerne> Bad_Brett: Cows refusing to pull in the same direction? ;-)
20:27:51 <Supercheese> You can disable breakdown smoke
20:28:43 <Supercheese> I'm not sure that's in NML yet
20:29:02 <Supercheese> "6 40 Supported by OpenTTD 1.3 (r24124)1.3 Not supported by TTDPatch Disable breakdown smoke effect. "
20:29:26 <Simonn> how much can I suck one map three trains
20:29:36 <Simonn> and I managed to crash them on the first trip
20:29:49 <Simonn> unintentionally just doing my best to get the signals right with tutorials and shit :/
20:29:58 <Eddi|zuHause> we've all done that :)
20:29:59 <Supercheese> Yeah, bad signaling leads to crashes
20:30:06 <Supercheese> ya learn that one fast ;)
20:32:30 <Simonn> I worked so hard on my trains :'(
20:32:38 <Simonn> one had 300 tonnes of oil or something
20:32:47 <Supercheese> autosave is your friend
20:32:48 <FLHerne> Simonn: Not too bad then :-(
20:32:59 <Supercheese> load an autosave from before the crash happened
20:33:06 <FLHerne> I once managed to kill well over 3000 passengers :P
20:33:16 <Simonn> no I just got mad and alt + f4ed out
20:33:17 <Supercheese> now the kill count is randomized, I believe
20:33:26 <Supercheese> so some passengers can survive
20:33:32 <Supercheese> rather than being completely lethal every time
20:33:40 <Simonn> what are passengers worth?
20:33:47 <Simonn> 1 ton of oils > 1 passenger I mean come on
20:33:52 <Supercheese> (no gameplay affect, of course, just text in the news popup)
20:34:04 <Supercheese> fuck those two words
20:34:09 <Supercheese> we should just amalgamate them both
20:34:17 <Supercheese> then there'd be no confusion
20:34:32 <Supercheese> and everyone's SAT scores would go up
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20:35:14 <__ln__> effect is the noun, affect is the verb.
20:35:31 <Supercheese> Pretty sure they can both be verbs
20:36:37 <Supercheese> yeah according to Merriam Webster they can both be nouns or verbs
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20:40:13 <Simonn> wait did they remove coal mines?
20:40:18 <Simonn> I'm watching this tutorial but I never seen one
20:40:37 <Supercheese> Depends on climate
20:41:00 <Simonn> I have been playing on desert
20:41:03 <Supercheese> don't think tropical has them yeah
20:41:04 <Simonn> I bet that's why I always fail
20:41:16 <Supercheese> " It appears only in temperate and sub-arctic games. "
20:41:23 <Supercheese> the wiki is your friend ;)
20:41:34 <Simonn> for newbie what do you recommend
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20:41:40 <Simonn> huge map cuz plenty of space to try out
20:41:45 <Simonn> or small map cuz it's easier to maange?
20:41:54 <Supercheese> probably 256x256 map
20:42:16 <Supercheese> good size to start
20:42:46 <Supercheese> if that feels to small for ya then go for 256x512
20:42:56 <Simonn> I bet desert was the hardest
20:43:04 <Supercheese> I'd say start on temperate
20:43:18 <Simonn> thats the one with the rivers right?
20:43:40 <FLHerne> Simonn: the green-looking one :P
20:44:36 <Simonn> one day imma gonnna be the best openttder in world
20:44:45 <Supercheese> "best" is relative
20:44:59 <NGC3982> Supercheese: Don't destroy the dream.
20:45:05 <Supercheese> you can be "best" at a certain goal script
20:45:10 <Supercheese> i.e. beat it the fastest
20:45:12 <NGC3982> Simonn: Im with you. Rock on!
20:45:26 <Supercheese> but overall "the best"? that's ridiculous to quantify
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20:45:48 <Supercheese> best to say "the best at ____"
20:45:59 <Supercheese> there I go, saying "best" myself :P
20:48:23 <Bad_Brett> supercheese: thanks for the link... is the subway mod released yet?
20:48:42 <Simonn> i'd be the first to catch em all
20:49:02 <Supercheese> still working on subway mod
20:49:07 <Supercheese> taking screenshots for it atm
20:50:29 <Supercheese> Hmm, maybe I should make a .gif
20:50:51 <Supercheese> don't think I have any software that can do that atm
20:50:57 <Supercheese> capture from screen, I mean
20:53:44 <Supercheese> bleh, the new version of MS Paint reversed the directon of Ctrl+PageUp/Down
20:53:53 <Supercheese> Dunno which genius decided to change that
20:54:24 <Supercheese> "Let's change a feature that's been the same for years!"
20:54:43 <Supercheese> And not give users an obvious way to change it back!
20:59:32 <Supercheese> Oh no, I want to put a link to the TT-forums thread in my grf
20:59:44 <Supercheese> wait, not an issue
20:59:50 <Supercheese> edit the attachment in later, nevermind
20:59:55 * Supercheese should think before typing
21:01:49 <Bad_Brett> works pretty well for me
21:03:37 <Bad_Brett> you'll have to convert it to gif though
21:04:06 <Supercheese> don't think I'll use it right now, still shots should be fine
21:04:45 <Bad_Brett> i'm putting up a video later that shows eddi's patch in action... it belongs in the trunk ;)
21:05:12 <Supercheese> presuming there aren't major issues with the patch, of course
21:06:11 <Bad_Brett> i guess they would be performance related since he removed the cache
21:06:35 <Bad_Brett> or whatever the correct word is
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21:10:36 <Bad_Brett> do you have a thread for the new mod? for some reason i can't find it
21:10:55 <Supercheese> currently finishing readme and preparing source bundle
21:11:34 <Supercheese> I'll be sure to post the link here as soon as the thread's ready
21:11:34 <Bad_Brett> oh all that boring stuff
21:11:45 <Supercheese> boring but very important ;)
21:12:03 <Supercheese> I have permission to use the sprites as long as the GRF is GPLed
21:13:14 <Bad_Brett> i see... i did this for my master thesis, but i thought it was mostly copy+paste... maybe i screwed up
21:13:19 <Bad_Brett> but who will ever know? :)
21:14:44 * Supercheese loves compound meter
21:14:57 <Supercheese> triplet subdivision, so fun to listen to
21:17:14 <Supercheese> I sing in two choirs currently
21:17:23 <Supercheese> church choir and university choir
21:18:20 <Bad_Brett> cool. i'm thinking of joining one (again)
21:20:21 <Bad_Brett> my mod will of course include an original score. quite a challenge to make my songs sound like bluegrass :)
21:20:42 <Eddi|zuHause> what does "arg" mean in latin? :)
21:21:12 <Supercheese> arg... umentum arg...entum arg....us
21:22:14 <Bad_Brett> hmm... i always thought it was a castle
21:22:25 <Bad_Brett> the castle Arrrgghhhh
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21:43:21 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Aargh!!
21:54:26 <Supercheese> Writing a release thread takes a while...
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22:48:49 <Supercheese> whew, creating readmes, forum posts, and BaNaNaS entries takes a long time
22:53:27 <Supercheese> oh yeah, a bug report
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22:57:13 <Supercheese> (in case you didn't see that earlier)
23:03:44 <Bad_Brett> Wow! that's quite awesome
23:03:59 <Supercheese> It is not without its issues, however
23:04:08 <Supercheese> The known issues section is a wall of text
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23:12:52 <Bad_Brett> it would indeed be a nice feature if you could make certain objects passable... hopefully something like that will be implemented in the future
23:23:48 <Eddi|zuHause> most severely would be the option to "pass through surface vehicles" [road/rail]
23:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> most real world subways run under roads anyway
23:26:28 <Supercheese> yeah, if roadtypes get implemented, and if they could have a "do not clip with these other roadtypes" kind of setting, that would be optimal
23:26:50 * Supercheese keeps forgetting about his "away" setting
23:27:02 <Bad_Brett> have there been discussions regarding new roadtypes? because that would indeed be a nice feature
23:27:13 <Supercheese> quick search will show ya
23:28:20 <Bad_Brett> that would be perfect... i could have smaller paths that only wagon trains can use... and roads in the cities
23:28:39 <Supercheese> yep, but it's a ways off
23:28:54 <Supercheese> map array constrains a lot of development, unfortunately
23:29:05 <Supercheese> (so I've heard, I've not inspected things myself)
23:29:24 <Bad_Brett> one thing i don't get
23:29:39 <Bad_Brett> tram tracks work pretty much as roads
23:30:16 <Bad_Brett> except that trams can't use roads and vice versa
23:30:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: most clients have an "auto-away" feature
23:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: the map array is already prepared for roadtypes
23:31:54 <Supercheese> oh? so it's diagonal roads that are constrained by the array
23:32:47 <Bad_Brett> that's what i would have expected
23:32:56 <Eddi|zuHause> main discussion point was whether to allow "one road-like and one tram-like" type, or two mixed types, or three types per tiles [latter one needs more bits]
23:33:14 <Supercheese> unlimited combinations! :P
23:34:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and then which one "wins" on drawing (e.g trolley bus route and tram both have catenary, but it makes no sense to draw two types of catenary)
23:35:00 <Supercheese> So map array can handle it, but those types of issues need to be decided first, hmm
23:35:23 <Eddi|zuHause> and then someone actually needs to implement stuff
23:35:33 <Supercheese> that should be imlicit :P
23:37:19 <Eddi|zuHause> independent of that, when you implement "subways" this way, you cannot have subway<->surface connector pieces
23:37:49 <Supercheese> just replace the sprites for the drive through bus stop to have some stairwells to the underground, no?
23:37:57 <Supercheese> oh you mean subways that drive on surface
23:38:22 <Supercheese> hmm, I never considered wanting subways that drive on surface/exposed tracks
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