IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2011-05-03
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00:36:27 <gartral> I don't quite understand any of the signals..
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05:53:35 <andythenorth> DNS troubles somewhere?
05:58:33 <Markk> andythenorth: Seems like there was some issues with the EFNet server xs4all at 10-11 PM UTC+2 (CEST) yesterday.
05:59:02 <Markk> And there seems to be some general stability issues. :o
05:59:17 <andythenorth> tt-forums and openttdcoop.org are both unreachable currently
05:59:23 <andythenorth> unusual for both to go awya
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09:29:15 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 and Cursarion
09:29:34 <__ln__> hi Wolf01, Cursarion and Terkhen
10:02:55 <peter1138> hi Wolf01, Cursarion, Terkhen and __ln__
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11:14:10 <peter1138> And it doesn't show it :S
11:14:43 <yorick> it doesn't show it if you are within 5 minutes or so
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13:47:26 <Belugas> i hate the day after elections
13:47:36 <Belugas> "I won my elections" !!
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13:47:50 <Belugas> you are now a political man?
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13:52:42 <Belugas> but people seem to think that voting for the winner makes them better. So they follow the polls.
13:58:21 <ccfreak2k> As a voter, I can win an election?
13:59:01 <Markk> Depends om country probably, but usually, yes.
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14:13:05 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: it's like "We are Pope" or "We are Football Champion"
14:15:15 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, exactly
14:15:45 <Belugas> ccfreak2k, you can only win an election or a sport event if you are one of the actors who perform the event
14:15:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: but maybe he bet money on the outcome of the election? :)
14:16:21 <Belugas> eve then, he won the bet, not the elections ;)
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15:05:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22414 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix [FS#4606]: kicking thyself via remote console crashes the server
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16:29:47 <__ln__> poll: should rubidium watch south park s15e01?
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18:35:33 <andythenorth> is it quiet because of (a) YACD (b) Portal 2 (c) other
18:36:53 <Alberth> I was also wondering about lack of suggestions the past 2 days
18:39:39 <Yexo> wouldn't a holiday normally _increase_ the number of users?
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18:46:12 <Terkhen> I was quiet because of portal 2 weeks ago :P
18:51:54 <Rubidium> andythenorth: maybe the weather isn't bad enough?
18:53:08 <andythenorth> tt fans go outside? :o
18:58:44 <Rubidium> alternatively... maybe our players are aging and having jobs instead of being students (or unemployees)
19:00:01 * Rubidium wonders if little orudge is already hooked on *TTD*
19:08:26 <andythenorth> is there a timeseries chart of bananas downloads?
19:10:23 <Alberth> it only goes up, as nobody ever returns his bits after use.
19:10:36 <Rubidium> andythenorth: in what sense?
19:10:56 <andythenorth> downloads per day (or week)
19:11:24 <Rubidium> rbijker.net/openttd/stats.pdf (but it's somewhat out of date)
19:11:37 <Rubidium> alternatively I could provide you with more detailed information
19:11:59 <andythenorth> I'm just interested in usage patterns
19:12:13 <andythenorth> is popularity of game trending up / down / flat etc
19:13:20 <Rubidium> hmm, got more information locally ;)
19:22:56 <Rubidium> andythenorth: I've updated it for you ;)
19:24:14 <orudge> [19:59:59] * Rubidium wonders if little orudge is already hooked on *TTD* <-- not yet. She does rather like my iPhone, though.
19:24:18 <Rubidium> if you want more precise bananas info, please have a place where I can dump say... 70 MiB ;)
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19:33:22 <andythenorth> Rubidium: what's the blue chart with x scale 0-23?
19:33:38 <Rubidium> downloads per hour-of-day
19:34:46 <andythenorth> so the general trend is 'upwards'? But there was a large spike when 1.0 was released?
19:34:59 <Rubidium> 1) downloads of binaries per day (line = 30 day average), 2) downloads of binaries per day-of-week, 3) downloads of binaries per hour of day, 4) blue is downloads, yellow 30 day average, orange in MBs of traffic (all in bananas)
19:35:17 <Rubidium> andythenorth: exactly
19:35:49 <Rubidium> in the first graph the major spikes are 1.0.0-beta1 and 1.0.0
19:37:08 <Rubidium> in the last graph the "massive" bumps/spikes are 0.7.0 (introduction of bananas in stables, you'll see a beta/rc period small bump je before that), 1.0.0-beta1 and 1.0.0
19:38:16 <Rubidium> theoretically one can generate graph #4 for each NewGRF individually as well
19:38:37 <Rubidium> and probably the other graphs could be made per (specific) binary
19:38:47 <Rubidium> just needs someone writing the right query
19:39:08 <Rubidium> which for the bananas info is definitely dead slow because the table has no indices ;)
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20:01:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r22415 /extra/website/bananas/ (forms.py templates/bananas/managerEdit.html views.py): [Website] -Fix [FS#4486, FS#4563]: typo and make some text a bit clearer
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20:20:10 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22416 /trunk/src/newgrf.cpp: -Fix: When action14 specified different values for the palette, the values were OR-ed. Use the last set value instead.
20:30:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22417 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): -Add: an advanced setting to specify the default palette to use for NewGRFs without action 14 palette information; this makes the default choice independent from the used base graphics and '-i' option.
20:31:43 <andythenorth> YACD + FIRS .... still hard :D :P
20:31:51 <andythenorth> newgrf spec for YACD?
20:33:11 <Rubidium> why'd that be needed?
20:33:32 <Rubidium> either ttdp doesn't need it either, or it's already spec-ed
20:33:34 <andythenorth> cb (on a per industry basis) to specify the cargo weightings
20:34:01 <andythenorth> allowing individual industries to influence preference wrt near or distant industries as destinations
20:34:43 <Rubidium> maybe better specify something about the best input ratio of the different cargos (will be useful for AIs as well)
20:35:43 <Rubidium> like 3 coal + 1 ore is optimum, then CD might use that for better weighting/distribution
20:35:59 <Rubidium> basically dumping the excess coal at the power stations
20:36:52 <andythenorth> the issue I'm having is that relatively low cargo production is split into amounts that are too small for trains to make money
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20:36:59 <andythenorth> and the game is too early for decent RVs
20:37:23 <andythenorth> and I can't increase cargo production because I can't get a FIRS supplies chain going
20:44:52 <planetmaker> the preferred cargo ration has the additional advantage that OpenTTD could display that. And save FIRS a few extra strings ;-)
20:45:23 <andythenorth> and maybe it could use progressive disclosure...
20:45:44 <andythenorth> but maybe it should stay a newgrf thing
20:45:57 * andythenorth wonders if entire industry window should be newgrf controlled
20:49:04 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r22418 /trunk/src/gfxinit.cpp: -Fix (r22417): Messed up the palette detection of the extra base grf.
20:49:16 <Alberth> why not program OpenTTD in NewGRF?
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20:55:57 <Yexo> <andythenorth> but maybe it should stay a newgrf thing <- making the preferred input a (static) property of the newgrf means it will be possible for AIs to serve them properly
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21:41:53 <Terkhen> hmm... with YACD I need longer group names
21:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i said that a year ago :p
21:46:44 <yorick> does GPL require attribution?
21:46:44 <frosch123> why can't the off-topic stuff just stay in the off-topic forum...
21:47:25 <Terkhen> frosch123: I think the same :/
21:48:00 <Eddi|zuHause> the quizz thingie?
21:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> i reported it as off-topic now ;)
21:49:14 <Terkhen> I'm finally going to use the small buses of egrvts too
21:51:30 <Eddi|zuHause> shunting engines etc. are rare in vehicle sets
21:51:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but small busses are only useful if you have passenger reduction
21:52:25 <Eddi|zuHause> the extreme masses of passengers can hardly be handled properly by big vehicles
21:53:10 <planetmaker> yorick: it requires attribution and to indicate your changes when you base your work on someone's else work
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21:54:05 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: the scenario that I'm playing has lots of small towns
21:54:17 <Terkhen> I guess I will have to switch to normal buses later when they grow
21:58:00 <Eddi|zuHause> in my previous (cargodist) game, i played with 2^-4 reduction
21:58:15 <Eddi|zuHause> that actually gives sensible amounts of passengers
22:05:51 <Terkhen> let's see how this goes, I'm just starting :P
22:06:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm now playing a 256x128 map, and i'm getting ridiculous amounts of passengers, compared to freight
22:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> and even on "high" industry setting, i'm only getting one of each (firs) industry
22:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> and not even the aluminium chain started up...
22:08:01 <Twerkhoven[L]> tried multiple industries of same type per town?
22:09:04 <Terkhen> yes, FIRS has too many industries
22:09:25 <Terkhen> I agree, multiple industries of same type is a must with FIRS on small maps
22:13:11 <yorick> planetmaker: hmm that's not so nice when concerning an addition to openttd.grf
22:19:40 <Terkhen> heh, this amount of passengers is already getting a bit crazy
22:21:11 <planetmaker> usually a proper commit message is deemed sufficiently detailed, especially when used in conjunction with a vcs
22:22:28 <planetmaker> as indication of what was changed that is. Not as attribution, of course
22:33:51 <yorick> planetmaker: it says "just keep my name somewhere around it"
22:36:46 <yorick> copy paste patch desyncs when you paste a bridge with both tram and road types
22:43:04 <planetmaker> "keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program." (...) and "You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices stating that you changed the files and the date of any change." imply you must not remove the existing copyright notices, thus not...
22:43:06 <planetmaker> ..."somewhere around" but "where they are".
22:44:03 <yorick> that's kindof impossible, it's a file download note :P
22:55:00 <planetmaker> sounds tempting. good night here, too
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