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00:00:00  <SmatZ> ban = kickban

00:00:06  <SmatZ> kick = kick

00:00:28  <SmatZ> console commands are not translated

00:00:32  <Samu> private message, talk to company, talk to all, give money, ban, ban?

00:00:37  <SmatZ> hmm

00:00:40  <Samu> i'll check in english

00:00:42  <SmatZ> what is your language?

00:00:48  <Samu> portuguese

00:01:06  <SmatZ> STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_KICK                                     :Banir

00:01:07  <SmatZ> STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_BAN                                      :Banir

00:01:09  <SmatZ> hah

00:01:17  <SmatZ> kick your translator :P

00:01:37  <Samu> hehe

00:01:53  <Samu> kick doesn't have a direct translation to portuguese

00:02:37  <Samu> pontapear but that's for football kick

00:02:40  <Samu> LOL

00:02:45  <SmatZ> :)

00:03:02  <SmatZ> what word for kick does your IRC client use?

00:03:36  <Samu> kick

00:03:37  <Samu> lol

00:03:42  <Samu> it's english mirc

00:04:29  <Samu> we say sometimes kickar, but that's not portuguese at all

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00:04:34  <SmatZ> :)

00:04:36  <Samu> that's a mix of

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00:07:42  <Samu> poor guy didn't return

00:08:02  <Samu> his company is still running

00:08:19  <Samu> destroying all of Mogul AIs trucks

00:08:31  <Samu> and blocking ships

00:08:38  <Samu> and paxlink buses

00:08:48  <Samu> I guess it's ok

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00:23:41  <Samu> smatz

00:24:08  <Samu> use the word Expulsar

00:24:13  <Samu> for Kick

00:24:35  <Samu> Expulsar can also mean Ban, but since those 2 show up together

00:24:53  <Samu> it will be easy to deduce what it does

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00:28:57  <SmatZ> Samu: I can't change that translation

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00:47:24  <Samu> ~kiike@74.70.23.95.dynamic.jazztel.es

00:47:29  <Samu> jazztel, haha

00:47:55  <Wolf01> 'nighty night

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00:48:44  <Samu> those guys tried to provide a much cheaper phone service over here, but gave up

00:49:46  <Samu> the whole (or 99%) telecommunication infrastructure in portugal is owned by 1 company

00:50:22  <Samu> monopolium

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00:59:00  <DJ_Samu> test

00:59:03  <DJ_Samu> ah, ok

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01:00:00  <DJ_Samu> vodafone.pt ?

01:00:16  <DJ_Samu> lol, these guys always use each others networks

01:03:13  <DJ_Samu> question, a bit off-topic

01:03:29  <DJ_Samu> my isp is zon, but over there it says vodafone?

01:03:38  <DJ_Samu> how do they do it?

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01:24:45  <DJ_Samu> I found a bug in that on-screen keyboard

01:25:06  <DJ_Samu> placement of keys

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01:26:37  <SmatZ> how do you mean?

01:26:48  <SmatZ> it's not supposed to be the same as your keyboard :p

01:27:10  <DJ_Samu> it is apparently

01:27:26  <DJ_Samu> qwerty keyboard here

01:27:42  <DJ_Samu> the 'a' key is showing on the qwerty row

01:27:59  <DJ_Samu> happens with all the first keys of each row

01:28:16  <DJ_Samu> they show up at the end of each row

01:28:26  <DJ_Samu> I better post a screenshot

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01:30:27  <SmatZ> it can be affected by your translation

01:31:00  <SmatZ> however the layout is the same for all languages

01:31:12  <SmatZ> but the keys on the OSK can be changed

01:31:37  <DJ_Samu> where shall I post the image, I don't want to make a bug report, I'm not sure

01:31:52  <SmatZ> maybe the translator didn't have enough space on the keyboard?

01:32:09  <SmatZ> I can't do anything with that anyway...

01:32:26  <DJ_Samu> ok, I'll send it to you

01:32:41  <DJ_Samu> you seem to understand how it can be changed

01:32:46  <DJ_Samu> I don't

01:33:44  <DJ_Samu> the 'q' on the end of the first row should be placed before the 'w' on the second row

01:34:01  <DJ_Samu> the 'a' on the end of the second row should be placed before the 's' on the third row

01:34:05  <SmatZ> what is your OpenTTD version and language?

01:34:17  <DJ_Samu> the '<' on the end of the third row should be placed before the 'z' on the fourth row

01:34:21  <DJ_Samu> 1.0.5

01:34:26  <DJ_Samu> portuguese (Portugal)

01:34:35  <DJ_Samu> brazillian keyboard is different than portuguese keyboard

01:34:50  <SmatZ> hmm again problem with potuguese...

01:34:50  <glx> layout is in translation

01:35:24  <glx> blame the translator

01:35:35  <DJ_Samu> the rest is correct

01:36:19  <SmatZ> there is probably one character missing in the translation

01:36:29  <DJ_Samu> let me check

01:37:06  <glx> looks like missing character yes

01:37:16  <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng might help you

01:37:25  <DJ_Samu> ah, I think I understand

01:37:31  <SmatZ> it just makes it use the default english layout

01:37:48  <DJ_Samu> there is indeed 2 different portuguese keyboard layouts

01:38:26  <DJ_Samu> some have the '~' on the end of the first row instead of being at the end of the third row

01:40:28  <DJ_Samu> this one I'm using have the '~' on the 3rd row

01:40:37  <DJ_Samu> but I have another that have it on the first

01:41:23  <SmatZ> your keyboard layout won't affect the one shown in OSK

01:41:40  <SmatZ> unless there is a layout that has 'a' in the first row and 'z' in the second

01:41:49  <SmatZ> but there probably isn't :)

01:41:54  <DJ_Samu> no, there isn't

01:43:33  <DJ_Samu> you should look at the screenshot I sent you

01:43:36  <DJ_Samu> makes things easier

01:43:52  <supermop> hello again

01:43:56  <SmatZ> I understand what your problem is, but I can't help you with that problem

01:44:10  <DJ_Samu> you mentioned default english layout

01:44:33  <SmatZ>  http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng if you replace your lng file by this one, you get the english layout in OSK

01:45:03  <SmatZ> hello supermop

01:45:49  <SmatZ> DJ_Samu: try opening a bugreport with description what each raw looks like and what it should look like

01:45:57  <SmatZ> or try becoming a translator :)

01:45:58  <glx> you can define your layout in openttd.cfg IIRC

01:46:09  <SmatZ> the poruguese translation looks wrong anyway

01:47:16  <DJ_Samu> I can't talk about the brazillian keyboard, it's different

01:47:18  <DJ_Samu> sorry

01:48:55  <DJ_Samu> erm... you made things worse

01:49:06  <DJ_Samu> it's using english now

01:50:32  <SmatZ> [02:37:19] <SmatZ> it just makes it use the default english layout

01:50:35  <SmatZ> I told you so :)

01:50:45  <glx> in [misc] section, you can add keyboard and keyboard_caps

01:51:06  <glx> they'll overwrite translation

01:51:22  * SmatZ didn't know that

01:51:51  <DJ_Samu> it was fine how it was before, it was just the 'q' key that needed a 'push'

01:52:02  <DJ_Samu> hmm

01:52:44  <SmatZ> http://devs.openttd.org/~smatz/portuguese.lng I uploaded the original lang file, if you didn't do a backup

01:52:50  <SmatZ> DJ_Samu: try what glx suggested :)

01:53:13  <SmatZ> then become a translator/open a bugreport with the correct layout

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01:54:50  <glx> keyboard = "\1234567890'«qwertyuiop+´asdfghjklçº~<zxcvbnm,.-"

01:54:51  <glx> keyboard_caps = "|!"#$%&/()=?»QWERTYUIOP*`ASDFGHJKLǪ^>ZXCVBNM;:_"

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01:55:19  <glx> copied from current lang file, but once it's in your openttd.cfg you can fix it :)

01:55:59  <DJ_Samu> how do I push Q forward?

01:56:36  <glx> move the ~ to the right position maybe

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01:57:03  <DJ_Samu> I see, there's no other method?

01:57:10  <glx> or add a space

01:57:18  <DJ_Samu> a void key

01:57:21  <DJ_Samu> does nothing

01:57:37  <glx> or a missing key that can be useful

01:59:02  <DJ_Samu> if I put a space, will that key work like the spacebar or will it become grayed out?

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01:59:33  <SmatZ> it will be a space, I think

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02:01:57  <glx> space is gray out I think

02:02:45  <glx> yup just checked

02:03:01  <SmatZ> ok

02:03:07  * SmatZ keeps silent

02:03:12  <SmatZ> :)

02:03:14  <DJ_Samu> cool, thx, do I still need to fill a report?

02:03:34  <SmatZ> it would be nice, so it is fixed for other people as well :)

02:03:44  <SmatZ> but better become a translator and fix it yourself

02:03:44  <DJ_Samu> ok, :)

02:04:01  <DJ_Samu> I became a translator, but i'm still 'read only'

02:04:05  <SmatZ> ok

02:04:08  <DJ_Samu> no idea what to do next

02:04:22  <SmatZ> you probably have to wait for approval

02:04:35  <SmatZ> STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_KICK needs fixing too

02:04:47  <SmatZ> because it's the same as STR_NETWORK_CLIENTLIST_BAN

02:05:02  <DJ_Samu> ah, I remember

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02:05:19  <SmatZ> :)

02:06:02  <glx> <DJ_Samu> I became a translator, but i'm still 'read only' <-- send a mail and got reply ?

02:06:19  <DJ_Samu> a mail?

02:06:56  <DJ_Samu> should I receive a reply?

02:07:02  <DJ_Samu> I wasn't asked to send an email though

02:07:34  <glx> so you just logged to translator page

02:07:55  <DJ_Samu> yes, then I clicked somewhere to become a translator

02:08:04  <DJ_Samu> and I could see every language and strings

02:08:11  <DJ_Samu> but in read only

02:08:17  <glx> read the FAQ

02:08:59  <glx> 3rd and 4th questions :)

02:09:57  <glx> you need to send an email to become a translator

02:10:28  <SmatZ> thanks glx :)

02:10:45  <SmatZ> I would be misleading DJ_Samu

02:12:20  <DJ_Samu> javascript not installed :(

02:12:25  <DJ_Samu> erm... meh

02:13:03  <glx> requires javascript and cookies

02:13:23  <glx> questions 5 and 6 ;)

02:13:35  <DJ_Samu> cookies are enabled, javascript.. my browser doesn't have it by default, have to download

02:14:01  <DJ_Samu> that's what? 100 megas + updates

02:14:21  <glx> a browser without javascript ???

02:14:42  <DJ_Samu> well, to chat here, I was asked to download java

02:14:50  <DJ_Samu> so i preferred to download mirc instead

02:15:04  <SmatZ> java != javascript

02:15:13  <DJ_Samu> oh, sorry

02:15:15  <SmatZ> what is your browser?

02:15:16  <DJ_Samu> really?

02:15:25  <DJ_Samu> internet explorer 8

02:15:34  <glx> you have javascript :)

02:15:41  <SmatZ> unless you disabled it manually

02:16:02  <DJ_Samu> nope, I'm sure I didn't touch any of those settings

02:16:27  <glx> security options usually

02:16:40  <glx> but I'm not an IE specialist

02:16:55  <DJ_Samu> sending an email

02:17:04  <DJ_Samu> there's a guy JayCity doing translations

02:17:27  <DJ_Samu> what will happen to him?

02:17:38  <DJ_Samu> he did quite a lot!

02:18:07  <SmatZ> are there any unfinished translations?

02:18:16  <DJ_Samu> 3 in portuguese

02:18:20  <SmatZ> he probably doesn't know about those mistakes

02:18:21  <glx> there can be many translators for one language ;)

02:18:21  <DJ_Samu> according to that site

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02:20:36  <glx> SmatZ: http://translator.openttd.org/en/status

02:21:56  <glx> DJ_Samu: if you can search when you view translations, javascript is enabled

02:23:05  <DJ_Samu> nice to hear

02:23:14  <DJ_Samu> then it's enabled

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02:24:26  <DJ_Samu> a small problem though is my email address, when I acted out I gave away my password to someone

02:24:40  <DJ_Samu> at any time I can lose access

02:24:57  <DJ_Samu> (and I hope I do, this is no way of life)

02:26:02  <SmatZ> you can't change the password now?

02:27:07  <DJ_Samu> it's a personal issue

02:27:16  <DJ_Samu> I can, but I don't want to

02:27:36  <SmatZ> hope the other person won't login to openttd translator site and won't start messing up portuguese translation

02:27:49  <glx> you can create another email adress

02:28:16  <DJ_Samu> no, I don't want to be back to that mess :(

02:28:27  <DJ_Samu> I concentrated all emails into one address

02:28:31  <DJ_Samu> well

02:28:38  <SmatZ> you are weird, DJ_Samu

02:28:39  <DJ_Samu> I don't know

02:29:28  <SmatZ> if you are afraid someone might misuse your email, then you should do something with it

02:29:32  <glx> for now I have 7 email address ;)

02:29:37  <SmatZ> but fine :)

02:29:43  <SmatZ> hehe :)

02:29:53  <DJ_Samu> I have 2, 1 for the ISP (mandatory)

02:29:59  <DJ_Samu> one for the rest

02:30:01  <SmatZ> I am using only 2...

02:30:04  <DJ_Samu> I don't care about the isp one

02:30:45  <DJ_Samu> whenever I read mails from isp it's only advertisement

02:30:54  <DJ_Samu> and small notices no one cares about

02:31:20  <DJ_Samu> this email receives tons of spam, but it's ok

02:31:43  <DJ_Samu> the one I consider main receives lots of youtube crap

02:32:29  <DJ_Samu> erm, my account?

02:32:36  <SmatZ> ?

02:32:37  <DJ_Samu> apparently I have an account, what is it?

02:32:50  <SmatZ> you can use it at openttd website

02:33:02  <SmatZ> for translating and reporting bugs, for example

02:33:07  <DJ_Samu> it autologins, so I forgot my account name

02:33:09  <DJ_Samu> ah

02:33:13  <DJ_Samu> it's Samu then

02:33:39  <glx> and it's displayed at the bottom of the page

02:33:49  <glx> Logou (login name) ;)

02:33:58  <SmatZ> :)

02:34:47  <DJ_Samu> email sent

02:39:01  <DJ_Samu> lol the inbox is bombarded by flyspray

02:39:08  <DJ_Samu> I was expecting youtube

02:39:42  <glx> I always uncheck the notification on FS :)

02:41:11  <DJ_Samu> ah, youtube is just bellow flyspray

02:44:27  <DJ_Samu> yeah flaming comments at my videos

02:45:06  <DJ_Samu> I love it when they start arguing with each other yet I receive all that crap on my inbox, hehe

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02:53:47  <DJ_Samu> gotta go

02:53:51  <DJ_Samu> cya

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06:30:59  <supermop> hello

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06:48:06  <Terkhen> good morning

06:48:51  <supermop> good morning to you

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07:06:19  <planetmaker> good morning

07:07:27  <supermop> good morning to you too planet maker

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07:13:00  <planetmaker> hm, an uneven number of engines for double-headed engines is bad ;-)

07:13:53  <planetmaker> but... explainable, when incompatible newgrfs are loaded ;-)

07:13:56  <supermop> it wouldn't be 'double' if it was 3...

07:14:06  <supermop> hmm?

07:14:06  <planetmaker> the point ;-)

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07:20:09  <planetmaker> I wondered why I had 5 pieces for two double headed engines. Reason: I loaded with the wrong newgrf version

07:21:05  <supermop> ah

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08:02:23  <SmatZ> good morning

08:04:07  <planetmaker> moin SmatZ

08:04:13  <SmatZ> hello planetmaker :)

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08:09:50  <Terkhen> good morning SmatZ

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08:10:22  <SmatZ> morning Terkhen :)

08:10:27  <norbert79> Morning

08:10:47  <Terkhen> hi norbert79

08:10:56  <norbert79> Morning Terkhen, SmatZ

08:11:20  <SmatZ> and norbert79, too :)

08:11:32  <planetmaker> hi norbert79

08:11:36  <Terkhen> :D

08:11:54  <norbert79> Morning planetmaker... Damn morning cold...

08:13:07  <norbert79> Just a question: Is there an OS2 executable also to be expected, or was it just only for 1.0.4?

08:13:11  <Terkhen> indeed, I'm freezing

08:15:01  * Terkhen does not know

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08:16:10  * norbert79 won't say, that he wishes the summer back, because he couldn't sleep during July, when he had 24-25°C during night

08:16:38  <norbert79> despite the cold, I am fine with winter times, at least I can sleep well

08:17:30  * Terkhen agrees

08:20:25  <norbert79> Jesus.. Google's instant search just made me think I skipped a few seconds of my life... It turns out it's a new technique...

08:21:10  <planetmaker> not too bad actually IMHO

08:21:22  <norbert79> It's just... weird

08:21:46  <Terkhen> yes, it is probably useful, but it will take a while for me to get used to it

08:23:35  <planetmaker> If someone is in for some newgrf fun: apply http://pastebin.com/Sc53hk0p on OpenGFX+Trains and fix the possible wrong facings of the TurboTrain ;-)

08:30:17  <norbert79> planetmaker: I am not there yet... I would even dare to rescue a civil from the hands of 6 terrorists with a bare tazer in Swat 4, but I don't really dare to touch this yet :)

08:37:27  <planetmaker> it's nothing really new. Just the scale ;-)

08:38:16  <norbert79> Is trkfoundw.grf included in the openttdw.grf file too?

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08:38:29  <norbert79> (Foundations for Tracks on Slopes)

08:38:54  <planetmaker> do you miss them?

08:39:11  <norbert79> I am just not sure, trying to clean up all unused files

08:39:34  <planetmaker> move it to obsolete then

08:39:39  <norbert79> Ok, thx

08:39:42  <planetmaker> should be obsolete since pre 0.5

08:40:07  <norbert79> Thanks, moved

08:40:17  <norbert79> and I think I have moved every obsolete then

08:41:22  <norbert79> Ssssooo. Upgraded to 1.0.5... Now updating all the other tools :)

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09:38:28  <norbert79> planetmaker: Just out of curtiosity: does those bugs listed in the known-bugs section of the readme still affect also the unnoficial port of the MacOSX binary of OpenTTD?

09:49:54  <b_jonas> oh, 1.0.5 is out? I'll update at hoem then

09:50:04  <b_jonas> (I'm not playing openttd at work)

09:51:24  <SmatZ> it would be bad if you played in your worktime :)

09:51:41  <Terkhen> :)

09:52:04  <b_jonas> what? you think I don't do that?

09:52:11  <b_jonas> I only said, I don't play openttd at work time

09:52:16  <b_jonas> that's time consuming

09:52:34  * SmatZ is confused, probably needs coffee

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09:59:16  <planetmaker> <norbert79> planetmaker: Just out of curtiosity: does those bugs listed in the known-bugs section of the readme still affect also the unnoficial port of the MacOSX binary of OpenTTD? <-- I didn't check recently. But I guess so

09:59:34  <planetmaker> Though I closed a few minor ones recently

09:59:37  <norbert79> Even switching to fullscreen?

10:00:14  <planetmaker> I'm tempted to close it as irreproducable as even the bug reporter later couldn't reproduce it

10:00:21  <planetmaker> At least I can't

10:01:57  <planetmaker> on the other hand I fear I'll get handed a bunch of errors should we produce official binaries

10:04:32  <norbert79> So generally the port works fine

10:04:39  <norbert79> as I assume... Music does work too?

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10:08:09  <planetmaker> yes

10:08:50  <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/index.php?string=osx&project=1

10:10:06  <planetmaker> #3651 is unreproducable for me, #3447 is of little importance.

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10:10:34  <planetmaker> so there's 2585 and 2484

10:10:56  <planetmaker> there's a half-bred solution for 2585. But... that's quite hackish.

10:11:10  <planetmaker> and it poses other issues

10:18:00  <norbert79> ahha

10:20:42  <norbert79> Well, at least it works :)

10:23:56  <planetmaker> sort-of

10:24:28  <planetmaker> while looking at things I also found already a few bugs which had not been detected so far... ;-)

10:24:39  <planetmaker> also compiler bugs :O

10:25:38  <planetmaker> or better re-phrased: friendly fellow devs pointed out that it only can be a compiler bug ;-)

10:27:33  * Terkhen loves debugging RTL code while not having any idea of what the text says

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10:29:12  <planetmaker> hehe :-)

10:29:24  <planetmaker> But it's not that bad as it sounds

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10:34:27  <Eddi|zuHause> can't you just set an RTL code in english.txt?

10:34:57  <Eddi|zuHause> you should end up with english backwards

10:35:02  <Terkhen> it is GUI code that must behave different with RTL

10:35:02  <planetmaker> yes. But that means to edit the lang files. Easier to just switch to arabic

10:35:09  <Eddi|zuHause> instead of... arabic, hebrew, ect.

10:35:13  * Terkhen hates mirrors

10:35:55  <Terkhen> hmm... let's try that

10:36:15  <Rubidium> it's quite easy, just change the ltr to rtl in english.txt

10:38:40  <Terkhen> much better, thank you :)

10:39:06  <Terkhen> the code is still as difficult, but at least I don't have to guess which button I'm pressing

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11:09:13  <Thror> hi

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11:11:42  <Terkhen> hi Thror

11:13:09  <planetmaker> hi

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12:45:38  <Eddi|nichZuHause> anyone tell me what a "MRT.exe" is?

12:47:24  <planetmaker> microsoft's malicious software removal tool?

12:47:54  <Eddi|nichZuHause> is that supposed to run at 100% cpu for half an hour?

12:48:33  <planetmaker> yes. I scans all your porn an puts it into quarantine. Should have fewer, I guess

12:48:38  <blathijs> Eddi|nichZuHause: It's trying to burn the malicious software off your PC, but your CPU cooling is so good it won't get hot enough

12:49:02  <Terkhen> :D

12:51:23  <Rubidium> it's compressing your porn with that PAQ compression thing and then sending that to Microsoft

12:53:00  <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm... something's wrong...

12:53:27  <planetmaker> ^ famous last words ;-)

12:53:51  <Eddi|nichZuHause> if i select start-[rightclick]->settings->classical start menu, it usually adds computer, network etc. to the desktop

12:53:57  <Eddi|nichZuHause> but it doesn't do that here...

12:55:00  <Eddi|nichZuHause> any registry key where i can do that manually?

12:56:06  <b_jonas> Eddi|nichZuHause: what version of windo?

12:56:17  <Eddi|nichZuHause> XP, i believe

12:56:40  <Thror> you can add them somewhere on desktop settings (right click on desktop -> properties)

12:56:57  <Eddi|nichZuHause> ah

12:57:03  <Eddi|nichZuHause> yeah, i think i have it

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13:12:50  <Eddi|nichZuHause> ah... The Joy (TM) of Windows (R)

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14:05:49  <norbert79> I am looking for some song-titles on law enforcment... Got some already, like MJ - Smooth Crimninal, Falco - Der Komissar, Inner Circle - Bad Boys, Beastie Boys - Sabotage... Any other ideas?

14:06:56  <Eddi|nichZuHause> "Eins, zwei, Polizei" ;)

14:07:00  <norbert79> Lol

14:07:17  <peter1138> Peter Gabriel - Exposure

14:07:42  <norbert79> noted... :)

14:07:45  <peter1138> Air - Caramel Prisoner

14:08:44  <norbert79> I have found one song about: One shot in head, turned out it was kind a Death Metal song... Not really what I was looking for :)

14:09:24  <peter1138> Billy Joel - An Innocent Man

14:09:46  <norbert79> Can be also something different, than country or rock too :)

14:09:53  <norbert79> yet noted

14:10:18  <peter1138> best yet

14:10:28  <peter1138> Genesis - Robbery, Assault and Battery

14:11:21  <peter1138> Gomez - Get Myself Arrested

14:11:48  <norbert79> Nice

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14:15:26  <peter1138> oh

14:16:43  <norbert79> Billy Joel doesn't really fit to my selection, but the title is good

14:18:33  <peter1138> The Strokes - New York City Cops

14:19:13  <norbert79> Heh, makes it quite obvious qhat it will ber about :)

14:19:41  <peter1138> Spiritualized - Cop Shoot Cop

14:19:49  <peter1138> (17 minutes, hah)

14:19:55  <norbert79> Jesus :D

14:21:58  <norbert79> peter1138: The Strokes isn't a bad one, but it's way too garage music... I am more like looking for some titles with either you can dance to, or they have that special something, like Beastie Boys - Sabotage... :)

14:22:37  <norbert79> Peter Gabriels song is a nice one

14:22:41  <norbert79> loved that guy all the time

14:22:51  <peter1138> Prodigy - Their Law

14:26:39  <Belugas> hi there

14:27:32  <peter1138> hey sir

14:27:39  <norbert79> Hey Belugas

14:29:17  <norbert79> peter1138: Nice choice... Exactly what I was thinking about

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14:43:13  <Belugas> hello norbert79

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15:31:47  <peter1138> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mathieus/what-would-a-childs-drawing-look-like-if-it-8q4

15:32:04  <peter1138> strange use of belugas' favourite word :D

15:34:57  <SmatZ> :D

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15:44:45  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21297 /trunk/ (changelog.txt known-bugs.txt): -Doc: update some documentation

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16:23:17  <Belugas> lovely drawings :)  so nightmarish :D

16:24:04  <norbert79> laterz!

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16:24:06  <peter1138> yeah

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16:44:05  <Samu> hi

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16:49:07  <Arie-> Hi

16:49:25  <Arie-> is it known that the website server list is acting weird?

16:49:26  <Eddi|nichZuHause> hm...

16:49:53  <Eddi|nichZuHause> anyone know how one can change the encoding in the windows cmd window?

16:50:29  <Rubidium> apparantly 300 MiB isn't enough for django

16:50:44  <Arie-> hmm it's doing normal now, just a minute ago, when viewing a server, every f5 would give a different server name in the server name bar

16:51:15  <Arie-> Eddi|nichZuHause top left corner; properties; font

16:53:16  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Arie-: there's nothing about encoding there

16:54:05  <Arie-> hmm thought so

16:54:08  <Arie-> must be wrong then

16:54:11  <Arie-> sorry

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16:55:50  <Arie-> quick google gave me a stackoverflow on the matter

16:56:49  <glx> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1259084/what-encoding-code-page-is-cmd-exe-using

16:56:58  <glx> I'm still reading it

16:57:56  <glx> just change the font it seems

17:02:08  <Arie-> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/379240/is-there-a-windows-command-shell-that-will-display-unicode-characters

17:04:29  <glx> better :)

17:05:55  <Eddi|nichZuHause> it's all crazy...

17:06:25  <Eddi|nichZuHause> the first article fails to mention how i can set the encoding on cmd startup (i.e. in the link...)

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17:13:11  <glx> cmd /u /q"chcp 65001"

17:13:20  <glx> but I still need the font

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17:15:29  <glx> hmm that command doesn't work

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17:19:24  <Eddi|nichZuHause> apparently you can also put chcp in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Command Processor\AutoRun

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17:35:14  <Eddi|nichZuHause> one of the most annoying parts about windows tab-completition is that it does not automatically add pathsep to directory names

17:35:44  <FauxFaux> No, the most annoying thing by far is when you press tab editing character 3 of a 4000 character input.

17:36:02  <Eddi|nichZuHause> ok, that might be bad ;)

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17:41:38  <Samu> this translator thing is quite complicated

17:43:12  <Samu> how do I know what is what?

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17:43:56  <Samu> how do I know where the message I'm editing will show up in the game?

17:44:12  <planetmaker> by playing the game. The name of the string usually is a good hint

17:44:31  <Wolf01> hello

17:44:42  <Terkhen> hi Wolf01

17:44:43  <planetmaker> alternatively look through the source find it and then you know exactly where

17:44:44  <Eddi|nichZuHause> if in doubt, grep through the source after the StringID

17:44:45  <planetmaker> hi Wolf01

17:46:12  <b_jonas> Samu: or you grep the source of the game

17:46:17  <b_jonas> for that string

17:46:29  <b_jonas> ah, planetmaker already said that

17:46:30  <b_jonas> sorry

17:46:40  <Samu> grep?

17:46:43  <planetmaker> and eddi, too ;-)

17:46:52  <Samu> well I'm scared

17:47:00  <planetmaker> a search tool. Use what works for you

17:47:08  <Rubidium> Samu: Windows' "search in files", but then one that actually works

17:47:55  <Wolf01> I was thinking (chorus: oooooh) if it was possible to add a preview feature to the grfs, I say, a logo, a little snip of a screenshot like some of us have on our avatars or something else which might be helpful to understand what the grf contains

17:50:46  <Samu> one thing that is quite badly translator is 'road vehicle'

17:50:48  <Samu> translated

17:51:32  <Samu> whoever translated all 'road vehicle's strings should die, lol :p

17:51:34  <Samu> j/k

17:51:51  <Samu> he made a word for word translation

17:52:28  <Samu> how many strings are there for road vehicle? I'd have to edit them all

17:53:31  <planetmaker> search for them. WT3 has a search function

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17:56:26  <Samu> 65

17:57:49  <Samu> + 96

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17:58:04  <Samu> ugh...

17:58:43  <planetmaker> well. It's a transport game. Has >2.5k strings. So 100 strings for RV related stuff is not too bad ;-)

18:00:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21298 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h strings.cpp): -Fix [FS#4261]: fonts set in openttd.cfg were not properly checked for missing glyphs on language change

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18:08:12  <Samu> http://www.bing.com/search?q=rodovi%C3%A1rio&go=&form=QBRE&filt=rf

18:08:22  <Samu> that's the word

18:09:21  <Eddi|nichZuHause> he said BING!

18:09:51  <glx> Eddi|nichZuHause: he uses IE8 ;)

18:10:28  <Samu> what?

18:10:41  <Samu> the word is Rodoviário

18:10:57  <Samu> road vehicle = veículo rodoviário

18:11:13  <Terkhen> :O

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18:12:07  <Samu> train = veículo ferroviário

18:12:12  <Samu> or comboio

18:12:23  <Rubidium> and trams?

18:12:27  <Samu> eléctrico

18:13:01  <Rubidium> trams fall in the category "road vehicles" in OpenTTD

18:13:31  <Samu> ok, I have to investigate

18:13:53  <Samu> but road vehicle the way he has it, sounds quite a noob translation

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18:14:44  <Samu> same with bridges

18:15:10  <Samu> bridge of road

18:15:13  <Samu> really?

18:15:14  <Samu> lol

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18:15:54  * frosch123 wants to shoot whoever invented drag&drop for selected text

18:15:58  <Terkhen> hmmm... FIRS has much more industries now

18:16:28  <__ln___> frosch123: indeed, i don't know anyone who actually uses it

18:16:57  <Rubidium> frosch123: just check the USPTO and there'll probably be a few hundred to kill

18:17:21  <Wolf01> frosch123, right, in some cases it's weird, especially when you need to tell new users how to select a text to copy it in notepad/word...

18:19:09  <frosch123> luckily i can disable it in my main editor, but in the other applications...

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18:21:52  <b_jonas> you mean drag-drop from start to end to select a range of text, or drag-drop an already selected text to move or copy it?

18:23:11  <Samu> http://www.refer.pt/MenuPrincipal/TransporteFerroviario/Lexico.aspx?Letter=P

18:23:16  <Samu> found something interesting

18:23:29  <Samu> bridges don't need to be edited according to that site

18:23:36  <glx> Samu: you are the translator :)

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18:25:44  <IchGuckLive> good evening from Germany

18:25:53  <planetmaker> hi

18:26:15  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21299 /trunk/src/saveload/afterload.cpp: -Fix (r21263): a road vehicle in a depot or wormhole could get into an incorrect state upon savegame conversion causing it to break up later in the game

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18:28:13  <IchGuckLive> planetmaker: question : if i transport people by bau thru a large city ans unload in a Trainstation area. Becom the Trainstation more people ?

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18:28:29  <IchGuckLive> bau = bus

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18:30:31  <IchGuckLive> and does cole to power bring the sae profit as people to citys at the same distance ?

18:30:44  <planetmaker> no

18:30:56  <IchGuckLive> no to all

18:30:58  <planetmaker> there's a cargo payment graph

18:31:09  <IchGuckLive> on the wiki ?

18:31:56  <Belugas> on the game

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18:32:18  <IchGuckLive> http://wiki.openttd.org/Cargo_income

18:32:24  <__ln___> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/8153927/North-Korea-broadcasts-propaganda-response-to-Yeonpyeong-Island-shelling.html

18:34:10  <Alberth> The 'graphs button' drop down in the game has a 'cargo payment graph'

18:37:16  <b_jonas> so basically diamond doesn't spoil easily by time, but gold does. I find these illogical, and so often look the prices up in the in-game chard

18:39:39  <b_jonas> the fastest spoiling cargo are: fruit, livestock, rubber, passengers, goods, food, valuables.

18:39:47  * planetmaker just transports any cargo. Without respect for profits

18:39:49  <b_jonas> (there's no fish cargo in vanilla)

18:40:31  <b_jonas> planetmaker: you don't even worry about what you transport by ship or other very slow method?

18:40:49  <Samu> can't find any lexic stuff about trams

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18:41:18  <planetmaker> Well. That I do. Somewhat. Mostly I guess I _start_ with tow, three planes for cheap, quick money. And then start building my rail network

18:42:00  <b_jonas> planetmaker: let me give a hint: ships help you, because the original cargo ship is refittable only to the non-spoiling cargo

18:42:51  <b_jonas> planetmaker: and I guess even you know that coal is good in the early game, and no wonder, it doesn't spoile, and in the early game you have very slow trains or road vehicles only

18:43:30  <b_jonas> so it's sort of self-managing

18:43:52  <Samu> all I find when I search for trams is EV's

18:44:37  <Samu> is there a way to contact the other translators?

18:45:17  <planetmaker> b_jonas: while coal is a good cargo, making your money with it gives you very easily HUGE coal mines - and half your trains will ship coal ;-)

18:45:19  <Rubidium> no(t yet)

18:45:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r21300 /trunk/src/lang/ (polish.txt unfinished/chuvash.txt vietnamese.txt):

18:45:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:

18:45:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: chuvash - 21 changes by mefisteron

18:45:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 3 changes by voythas

18:45:24  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi

18:45:26  <planetmaker> As such I usually start with two, three planes

18:45:43  <planetmaker> and then build whereever I think a ice network could start. Without thinking about money.

18:46:34  <b_jonas> planetmaker: I don't start with planes, but that depends on lots of things of course: terrain, grfs, difficulty settings, my playing style, my whim.

18:46:39  <Belugas> Samu, german translators have a topic on forums.  Maybe you could do the same for your language (spanish, i believe)

18:46:42  <Lakie> Passenger networks are good for money

18:47:16  <b_jonas> Lakie: yes, especially if you run some buses in all unused towns early to find ones that will grow to cities

18:47:35  <planetmaker> b_jonas: they grow enough. No need to make building impossible ;-)

18:47:46  <Lakie> Aye, but even train networks are profitable, if you are willing to have the intial 'down' time

18:47:54  <planetmaker> of course

18:48:07  <planetmaker> running a decent coal route will give you more money than you can spend

18:48:08  <b_jonas> I like large cities both IRL and in the game

18:48:09  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21301 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt polish.txt slovak.txt): -Fix: failure of WT3 to properly validate some string...

18:49:03  <Lakie> I usually cash in on wood first, planetmaker, because later I can use the goods for more cash...

18:49:59  <planetmaker> well, it doesn't really matter. For a quick start a decently distanced mine->powerplant is slightly quicker. Then next can be wood ;-)

18:50:09  <Belugas> IRL? Intra Retina Lens?

18:50:27  <Lakie> In Real Life?

18:50:27  <Alberth> Ireland

18:50:34  <b_jonas> yes, in real life

18:50:46  <Belugas> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGG!!!!!!!!

18:50:53  <b_jonas> I start the goods networks later

18:51:03  <Belugas> you...

18:51:08  <Belugas> whatever...

18:52:28  <Alberth> please don't mention r**l here, persons may get upset

18:52:44  <planetmaker> really? ;-)

18:52:59  * Alberth eyes planetmaker

18:53:09  * planetmaker stares

18:53:20  <planetmaker> into Alberth's eyes

18:53:20  * Alberth looks away quickly

18:53:22  <Prof_Frink> I don't believe in reality.

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18:53:39  <Belugas> lol!

18:53:40  <planetmaker> :-(

18:54:04  * Belugas hugs planetmaker until eyes popping out

18:54:08  <Alberth> Belugas does not need any defense from me :)

18:54:10  <planetmaker> :-D

18:54:28  <planetmaker> big boy. Good boy :-)

18:54:40  <Belugas> old boy

18:55:01  <Alberth> you are old only if you feel that way

18:56:55  <planetmaker> does wisdom come with age? :-P

18:57:08  <Belugas> i felt old when i finished transporting those concrete bags last friday ;

18:57:24  <Belugas> planetmaker : no, not at all... Not at my age, thoguh...

18:57:35  <__ln___> that's a concrete way to feel it

18:57:56  <planetmaker> Age does not always bring wisdom. Sometimes age comes alone?

18:58:11  * planetmaker quickly hides now

19:00:35  <Belugas> yup... age comes along with wrinkles(as if i care), hair desertion, vision problem and a certain tendancy to prefer comfort :)

19:01:07  <planetmaker> :-)

19:01:29  <Eddi|nichZuHause> i'll take wisdom without the age :p

19:04:40  <planetmaker> sounds like you tried an oxymoron by making that statement ;-)

19:04:52  <Belugas> yeah, you moron...

19:04:57  <Belugas> hem...

19:05:01  <Belugas> what's an oxymoron?

19:05:32  <planetmaker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxymoron

19:05:49  <planetmaker> a statement which is intrinsically contradictory to itself

19:07:24  <Prof_Frink> Or what you get when you burn a moron.

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19:11:26  <Samu> I feel alone on this, couldn't find anything about trams and their lexic. Wikipedia, only brazillians edit it, I hate my country

19:13:03  <Samu> can you place trams under trains?

19:13:21  <Samu> nevermind

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19:14:27  <Samu> there is seriously a severe lack of information from the portuguese on the internet

19:14:46  <Belugas> railroad sandwich!

19:16:30  <Belugas> therefor, Samu, go use a real dictionnary!

19:16:33  <Belugas> as in .. PAPER!!

19:16:53  <peter1138> as in .. NINJAM

19:17:01  <peter1138> oh, no, that's something different

19:19:00  <Samu> trams, trains and metro, they're basically the same

19:19:55  <Samu> they roll on "ferrovias" = rails

19:21:49  <__ln___> how many portuguese towns have trams?

19:22:05  <Samu> Lisboa

19:22:06  <planetmaker> books, *pads and deer hide are also the same. All can be used as things to read from

19:22:13  <Samu> I don't know much

19:22:29  <Samu> but I can go my train to catch a metro

19:22:45  <Samu> or I can go by tram to get in a metro

19:22:50  <Samu> or bus

19:22:59  <Wolf01> those are called 'hubs'

19:23:02  <Samu> yes

19:23:08  <Samu> I am not outgoing

19:23:24  * planetmaker has some work to do on OpenGFX+Trains

19:23:27  <Wolf01> you can also have an airport in the roof, but aircraft != train because is the same station :D

19:24:07  <Samu> what I mean is the type of way they use

19:24:08  <Samu> ferro = iron

19:24:11  <Samu> via = way

19:24:15  <Samu> ferrovia

19:24:39  <Samu> rodo = wheel

19:24:42  <Samu> via = way

19:25:06  <Samu> makes more sense for trams to be on the train category than road category

19:25:19  <Samu> I don't know how to translate it

19:25:34  <Samu> to make both trams and road vehicles fit

19:25:58  <Samu> to make a sensible translation

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19:30:02  <Wolf01> metro can be like train, and metro usually uses both rails and rubber wheels, in fact people used to use grfs to add metro to trains, but I don't agree to place trams in trains since they aren't properly trains, they resemble a bus (or more than one) but it rolls on rails

19:30:40  <Alberth> trams often run in streets

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19:35:20  <Samu> the way the translator made it, sounds like "vehicles of road"

19:35:34  <Samu> sounds odd

19:35:52  <b_jonas> "road vehicles" sounds odd too

19:36:04  <b_jonas> it does to me at least, maybe it doesn't really

19:36:17  <Samu> yes, it's an english thing

19:36:29  <Samu> when translated word for word makes little sense

19:37:14  <andythenorth> hello

19:37:32  <planetmaker> it helps to look up the key words in a real dictionary. We all don't speak porguise... (or I know no other here)

19:37:33  <Samu> hi

19:37:33  <Terkhen> hi andythenorth

19:37:37  <planetmaker> hi andythenorth

19:40:36  <Samu> if trams where under trains, then I would have no doubt how to translate road vehicles correctly

19:41:01  <Samu> I won't be editing this then

19:41:08  <Samu> I rather investigate first

19:42:41  <andythenorth> smoke smoke smokey smoke

19:43:10  <Rubidium> and the bandit?

19:43:14  <andythenorth> ha ha

19:43:21  <andythenorth> texas bound

19:44:09  <andythenorth> meh

19:44:17  <andythenorth> it's texarcana

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19:52:58  <Eddi|nichZuHause> why doesn't it make sense to have the "Straßenbahn" under "Straßenfahrzeuge"?

19:54:09  <Alberth> because "f" comes after "b" ?

19:54:17  <SmatZ> :P

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19:58:57  <MrSieb> Hi there!

19:59:18  <SmatZ> hello

19:59:32  <MrSieb> I play around with the ECS vector sets

20:00:51  <MrSieb> so i waunt to ask ist there a possibility to unload partial amount of cargo on a station like 20t coals and go drive to the next station with the rest

20:01:04  <MrSieb> even the station takes this resource

20:01:18  <SmatZ> just don't set "unload" order

20:01:23  <SmatZ> default is "unload if accepted"

20:01:43  <MrSieb> if it is a neutral station unload transit wokrks but alos only full unload

20:01:54  <SmatZ> with conditional orders, you can later go to the next drop or back to pickup

20:02:15  <SmatZ> neutral station?

20:02:46  <b_jonas> MrSieb: why would you want to unload part of the coal only?

20:02:48  <MrSieb> a station which takes no resources

20:02:58  <MrSieb> what i want to do is

20:03:12  <Eddi|nichZuHause> best use cargodist ;)

20:03:12  <MrSieb> carry coals with a train to a town

20:03:14  <b_jonas> I can understand unloading coal but keeping the iron ore, or similar

20:03:31  <MrSieb> und tak a smal amount of the coals to carry it away on road

20:03:44  <MrSieb> but if the rail way station accpets coals

20:04:08  <MrSieb> i cant store there coals as stock

20:04:37  <Samu> question on phrase construction, for example, subsidy news

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20:04:54  <Samu> I see 3 {string} things

20:04:58  <SmatZ> if you use "unload" order, it will start piling in the station once the industry stops accepting the cargo

20:05:32  <andythenorth> use transfers

20:05:35  <Samu> any way to make a better phrase by moving some strings ahead of the other?

20:05:45  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: yes

20:06:01  <Eddi|nichZuHause> {STRING:1} or so

20:06:03  <Samu> but I see {string} 3 times

20:06:16  <SmatZ> 1:STRING I think

20:06:24  <SmatZ> 0-2 is the order

20:06:28  <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, one of those ;)

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20:07:20  <Samu> what about cargo in plural, in singular, capitalized, non-capitalized?

20:07:25  <Samu> how do I know what will the game pick?

20:07:29  <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Format_of_langfiles <-- see section 'word order'

20:07:40  <Samu> thx

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20:08:28  <ding> hi can someone help me on a server issue in ubuntu?

20:08:56  <planetmaker> @ports

20:08:56  <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)

20:09:05  <ding> i know :)

20:09:18  <ding> i already opened up both 3979 and 3978

20:09:34  <ding> when i do a port scan,  i can see they are opened

20:09:54  <ding> but when i start my dedicated server (ubuntu) it gives this error:

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20:09:59  <SmatZ> planetmaker: it misses the admin console port :)

20:10:01  <ding>  sendto(master.openttd.org:3978 (IPv4)) failed with: 22

20:10:12  <planetmaker> quite indeed, SmatZ :S

20:10:35  <SmatZ> ding: what address did openttd bind to?

20:10:52  <ding> the address provided in openttd.cfg?

20:11:34  <ding> connect_to_ip = 127.0.0.1:3979

20:11:40  <ding> that one?

20:11:48  <planetmaker> that's an internal IP. Not a global one

20:12:18  <ding> do i need to provide my external ip there?

20:12:23  <SmatZ> [server_bind_addresses]

20:12:25  <SmatZ> I think

20:12:33  <SmatZ> if it is empty, it will bind to all addresses

20:12:40  <ding> localhost =

20:12:42  <ding> nothign

20:13:06  * SmatZ is not a network guy :(

20:13:52  <ding> no sorry about that ;)

20:13:54  * planetmaker neither really. Just leave the IP empty in the cfg

20:14:18  <ding> ok, does that count too for the "connect_to_ip" setting?

20:15:11  <SmatZ> ding: connect_to_ip is last joined server or something like that

20:15:36  <ding> oh ok

20:16:06  <ding> still got same error

20:16:15  <SmatZ> [21:12:28] <ding> localhost =  <-- did you remove that line?

20:16:33  <ding> no, its empty

20:17:06  <SmatZ> try removing it

20:17:19  <SmatZ> and in the [network] section, try setting server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0

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20:17:57  <Muxy> yop

20:18:32  <Muxy> bind ip should be set to 0.0.0.0

20:18:38  <ding> i deleted the "localhost =" line and added server_bind_ip = 0.0.0.0

20:18:42  <ding> still got that error

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20:21:22  <ding> i can ping to master.openttd.org

20:22:12  <Rubidium> SmatZ: server_bind_ip is pre 1.0

20:22:32  <SmatZ> Rubidium: ooooo

20:22:39  <Wolf01> 'night

20:22:43  <Rubidium> the server_bind_addresses bit should be empty

20:22:44  <SmatZ> again, I am giving useless clues :p

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20:23:07  <Rubidium> only when you really need to bind to a specific IP address you should add it there

20:23:23  <ding> maybe this helps: http://mibpaste.com/Fb20iN

20:23:59  <Rubidium> don't add the localhost after -D; that means bind to 127.0.0.1 and it causing all your trouble

20:24:07  <planetmaker> that looks like you did NOT properly configure your firewall or routers

20:24:26  <ding> the -D is for dedicated ?

20:24:33  <planetmaker> the server starts just fine, but the generated traffics on those ports doesn't find the way out

20:24:40  <planetmaker> (or in)

20:24:45  <Rubidium> planetmaker: read my thing...

20:24:53  <Rubidium> -D <ip-to-bind-to>

20:25:03  <Rubidium> localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1, so it binds to 127.0.0.1

20:25:24  <ding> if i provide my "outside" ip, would it help?

20:25:28  <Rubidium> 127.0.0.1 is not routed to the internet, so it can't connect

20:25:44  <Rubidium> ding: no, add nothing after -D

20:26:33  <ding>  could not bind on IPv4 port 195.241.***.***:3979 (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address

20:26:45  <Rubidium> yes, it doesn't have that address

20:27:06  <ding> rubidium, I lost you... :(

20:27:14  <Rubidium> i.e. your computer doesn't have that address

20:27:30  <SmatZ> 107.92

20:27:38  <ding> lol, good gues ;)

20:27:42  <SmatZ> :)

20:28:04  <ding> could not bind on IPv4 port 195.241.107.92:3979 (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address

20:28:29  * Rubidium wonders how often he has to say that server_bind_addresses should be empty and nothing should be after -D

20:28:44  <SmatZ> :P

20:28:47  <ding> server_bind_addresses = empty

20:28:51  <SmatZ> :D

20:28:57  <ding> nothing is behind -D

20:29:12  <SmatZ> ding: remove everything from [server_bind_addresses] section

20:29:13  <Rubidium> then it will not bind to 195.241.107.92

20:29:53  <planetmaker> delete openttd.cfg actually might be a good idea ;-)

20:29:57  <SmatZ> :)

20:30:01  <Rubidium> if it tries to bind to the address from your router, then you have given that address somewhere to OpenTTD

20:31:10  <ding> ok .... we are getting somewhere

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20:31:26  <ding> it did find the query server :)

20:31:30  <ding> but ....

20:31:34  <ding> still got an error :

20:31:35  <ding> getaddrinfo for hostname "", port 0, address family IPv6 and socket type udp failed: Name or service not known

20:31:52  <Rubidium> that's fine if you don't have IPv6

20:31:58  <ding> i dont

20:32:04  <ding> ok, so many thanks guys

20:32:27  <SmatZ> ding: does it work now?

20:32:37  <SmatZ> do you have set forwarding?

20:32:44  <ding> yes

20:32:48  <ding> and yes

20:32:51  <SmatZ> good :)

20:33:07  <ding> if im right, you should be able to find the soldiersatwar server :)

20:33:35  <ding> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37617

20:33:38  <SmatZ> :)

20:34:33  <ding> now i only have one problem left ;) when i query a serverlist in my openttd client (windows) openttd hangs (on sound events)

20:35:50  <Rubidium> not that elusive issue again...

20:36:02  <b_jonas> ding: it's waiting for the network to reply

20:36:29  <ding> ok, and what can i do about that ?

20:36:32  <Rubidium> b_jonas: the network stuff is handled in another thread, so it should not block the user interface

20:37:00  <ding> before i didnt have this issue :(

20:37:17  <Rubidium> ding: give us a stack trace of the state when it hangs, but that requires compiling a debug binary of OpenTTD in MSVC

20:37:28  <Rubidium> and some general MSVC debugging skills

20:38:15  <ding> hmm as you already suggested (i think) i don't have that skills :(

20:39:02  <ding> but if you want it, and you can explain what to do, maybe i can help out

20:39:28  <Rubidium> I can't explain it as I myself don't have the MSVC debugging skills

20:41:28  <ding> haha ok

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20:42:29  <ding> is it smart to downgrade my version of openttd, to try and prevent this "network problem" issue?

20:42:51  <Rubidium> depends how far you are willing to take it

20:42:56  <planetmaker> your choice

20:42:57  <ding> very :p

20:43:04  <ding> dieing to play openttd :)

20:43:20  <Rubidium> the only versions I'm quite sure the network problem doesn't exist is less than 0.3.3

20:43:48  <planetmaker> :-D

20:43:51  <ding> woaw

20:44:09  <ding> ok, i always played it without any problems

20:44:28  <ding> last version i played succesfull was 1.0 ++

20:44:36  <ding> dont know the exact version

20:45:33  <Rubidium> well, nothing changed to the network core since 1.0.0

20:45:53  <ding> strange.....

20:46:01  <Rubidium> so from OpenTTD's point of view there's no reason why it would happen in 1.0.5 and not in 1.0.0

20:46:23  <ding> so it should be something else .....

20:46:29  <Rubidium> although you likely didn't only update OpenTTD

20:47:15  <ding> for as far as i know, i only did a reinstall of my windows

20:47:27  <ding> and reinstalled (the latest version) openttd

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20:53:17  <ding> leaving for a reboot, i removed my virtual machine (maybe it helps preventing network issues)

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21:05:49  <Devedse> Anyone can test if he can join the server "Devedse coop"?

21:06:12  <Terkhen> Devedse: http://www.openttd.org/en/servers

21:06:37  <Devedse> Terkhen, there's only 2 servers there :o

21:07:10  <Terkhen> for me it says 210 IPv4 servers and 29 IPv6 servers

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21:07:53  <Terkhen> as long as your server does not appear in that list, no one will be able to connect to it

21:08:27  <Devedse> Yea it says that, but I can only see 2 servers in that list

21:08:43  <ding2> rubidium, can you explain a bit more what causes the connection problem in openttd?

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21:10:20  <SmatZ> Devedse: reload the page

21:10:43  <SmatZ> hmm it looks all broken

21:10:47  <Devedse> ah there they are (after 10 times of reloading)

21:11:27  <Devedse> SmatZ, there's also no 1.0.5 servers in that list, so you're sure it's accurate?

21:11:42  <SmatZ> Devedse: I see 1 1.0.5 server there

21:11:49  <SmatZ> but few minutes ago, there were many

21:11:58  <Devedse> I only see 1.0.5 RC

21:12:11  <Devedse> And now i got 502 bad gateway

21:13:10  <Terkhen> that's strange... I see a lot of 1.0.5 servers and no errors :/

21:13:34  <Terkhen> oh, now I get 502 too when clicking on a server

21:13:40  <Devedse> Yea now a few 1.0.5 just popped up

21:13:44  <glx> I see many 1.0.5 servers

21:13:44  <Devedse> but not mine :(

21:13:48  <glx> more that 10

21:13:50  <glx> *than

21:14:23  <Terkhen> @ports

21:14:23  <DorpsGek> Terkhen: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound)

21:14:25  <SmatZ> now it works again

21:14:32  <Devedse> hmm, I forwarded port 3979

21:14:36  <Terkhen> Devedse: did you open the required ports?

21:14:38  <Devedse> but nothing there

21:14:43  <Devedse> yep

21:14:56  <Devedse> 3978 is only outgoing right?

21:15:10  <glx> yup

21:16:12  <Devedse> oh :> internet -> advert was not switched on

21:16:56  <Devedse> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/37876

21:16:59  <Devedse> there we go :D

21:17:17  <glx> of course :)

21:18:15  <Samu> hmm a question

21:18:32  <Samu> it's complicated to make nice phrases

21:19:00  <Terkhen> :)

21:19:03  <Samu> I can only explain with examples

21:19:16  <Samu> coal production news for example

21:19:45  * Devedse loves watching his trains going

21:19:58  <Samu> ok, I see this in english

21:20:15  <Samu> Coal production at blabla mines decreases xx%

21:20:32  <Samu> to make a better translation

21:20:47  <Samu> I need to put production before Coal

21:21:00  <Samu> now translating the word at

21:21:08  <Samu> depends on the industry gender

21:21:11  <Alberth> Devedse: many people here do :)

21:21:26  <Samu> at could mean: do da de dos das

21:21:37  <Samu> in this case, coal mine, it's da

21:21:46  <Samu> how do I do this?

21:23:03  <Eddi|nichZuHause> with {G}

21:23:07  <Samu> but for coal only, it's de

21:23:31  <Samu> ok,I'll check it out

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21:24:24  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: at the beginning of your file, the genders should be defined like "##genders male female neutral pluralmale pluralfemale"

21:26:30  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: and then at the industry you define "{G=pluralmale}coal mines"

21:27:08  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: and in the message you define "{G 0:1 do da de dos das} {STRING}"

21:27:22  <__ln___> are there any languages (in existence) that have more than three genders?

21:27:28  <Eddi|nichZuHause> where the "0:1" can be varied to depend on another string

21:28:03  <Eddi|nichZuHause> like if you have "{1:STRING}" earlier, then you do "{G 1:1 ...}" or so

21:29:02  <Samu> I'm like 'huh?"

21:29:17  <Samu> trying to understand what you mean

21:30:16  <Samu> do I open portuguese.lng in notepad?

21:30:25  <Samu> or in web translator?

21:30:26  <Eddi|nichZuHause> not .lng ... .txt

21:30:43  <Eddi|nichZuHause> web translator can do this, too, but you can't test it then ;)

21:30:58  <andythenorth> frosch123: providing a z offset for smoke....just means an extra calculation for each of x and y?

21:31:06  <andythenorth> I'm not sure how / what though

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21:32:48  <ding> hi there, can someone help me on a desynchronization error?

21:32:56  <andythenorth> AI for FIRS supplies?

21:33:10  <andythenorth> seem like a good idea?

21:33:55  <glx> ding: hard to fix

21:34:12  <glx> we need steps to reproduce first

21:34:27  <frosch123> andythenorth: no, you have to add z

21:34:47  <frosch123> 					CreateEffectVehicleRel(v, x, y, 10, EV_STEAM_SMOKE); <- replace "10" by "z"

21:34:51  <andythenorth> to the code that places the effect vehicle?

21:34:55  <andythenorth> ah ok

21:35:05  <andythenorth> I thought maybe it had to be converted to the x,y system

21:35:17  <Samu> there is nothing in the gender field

21:35:24  <frosch123> no, they are all world coordinates relative to the vehicle

21:36:24  <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/settings

21:36:28  <Samu> I'm at this page

21:36:33  <andythenorth> frosch123: that's very civilised :D

21:36:33  <Samu> I see nothing in gender

21:37:36  <ding> gtx, what do you need? :)

21:37:38  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: english doesn't have genders

21:37:50  <Samu> I'm at the portuguese

21:38:09  <Samu> there's some settings I can change

21:38:17  <Eddi|nichZuHause> if none are defined yet, you can define them yourself

21:38:18  <frosch123> the portoguese translation does not use genders

21:38:23  <frosch123> the brazilian one does though

21:38:37  <Samu> yes it does

21:39:10  <Devedse> lolol I made an AI a while back and apparently it's still active: "Devedse AI started building near ..."   -> LAG LAGGG GAME LAGGG LAGGGGG

21:39:29  <ding> gtx what do you need to debug?

21:39:45  <Samu> there's male, female and neither

21:39:51  <Samu> or neutral like you call it

21:40:15  <Samu> also plural male, plural female

21:40:30  <andythenorth> ok so z offset for smoke is not too hard :D

21:40:39  <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, so you need 5 entries, which you can name whatever you like

21:40:56  <Samu> dog for example

21:41:17  <Samu> male non plural - cão

21:41:24  <Samu> female non plural - cadela

21:41:32  <Samu> male plurar - cães

21:41:37  <Samu> female plural - cadelas

21:42:11  <Samu> Portugal is without gender

21:42:21  <Samu> the word Portugal

21:42:27  <Eddi|nichZuHause> for example, german has 4 forms: male, female, neutral, plural [all genders]

21:42:38  <Eddi|nichZuHause> in the beginning you have "##gender m w n p"

21:43:13  <Eddi|nichZuHause> and in some string you have: Neue{G "r" "" "s" ""} {STRING}

21:43:38  <Eddi|nichZuHause> forming "Neuer" "Neue" "Neues" or "Neue", depending on the gender of following {STRING}

21:43:41  <Samu> what is this file you keep talking about, I don't know where to find it

21:43:55  <Terkhen> heh, I need a ridiculous amount of space to do junctions

21:44:03  <Eddi|nichZuHause> src/lang/german.txt, if you have a source checkout

21:44:12  <Eddi|nichZuHause> or the entries in webtranslator

21:44:28  <Eddi|nichZuHause> i can't look in webtranslator, since i don't have an account

21:44:51  <Samu> so I have to download the source?

21:44:56  <Samu> bah... 10 megas

21:45:02  <Eddi|nichZuHause> no, you can do this all in webtranslator

21:45:34  <SmatZ> you can't add cases/genders via WT, I think

21:46:11  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: to test things locally, you can download http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/lang/english.txt and http://www.openttd.org/en/download-strgen

21:46:49  <Eddi|nichZuHause> running "strgen portuguese.txt" will then generate portuguese.lng

21:47:19  <Eddi|nichZuHause> [that is, assuming you're testing with nightly openttd]

21:48:07  <Samu> there's also some words without plural

21:48:20  <Samu> their singular and plural are the same word

21:48:37  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: you don't have to give forms for all words...

21:50:11  <Samu> hmm, I downloaded the file, in notepad it looks weird, which program should I use to se it?

21:50:36  <glx> a real editor :)

21:50:41  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: try wordpad

21:51:05  <Terkhen> you should add some ++ to your notepad

21:51:24  <Eddi|nichZuHause> but really, _any_ editor other than notepad should do :p

21:51:46  <Eddi|nichZuHause> i recommend gvim ;)

21:52:01  <glx> notepad++ is nice

21:52:12  <Terkhen> notepad qualifies as an editor?

21:52:23  <glx> notepad is a notepad ;)

21:52:26  <Terkhen> :D

21:52:32  <glx> good enough for .bat

21:52:32  <Samu> using microsoft word

21:52:38  <glx> bad idea

21:52:42  <Samu> looks great

21:52:42  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Terkhen: about as much as a bobby car qualifies as a road vehicle :p

21:53:05  <glx> word will probably kill the file structure

21:53:09  <Samu> wordpad?

21:53:10  <Samu> ok

21:53:14  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Samu: with word you have to pay attention that you save it as plain text file, not as a word document

21:53:15  <Samu> do I have that?

21:53:25  <Terkhen> wordpad should do, I guess

21:53:31  <Eddi|nichZuHause> yes, wordpad is part of every windows.

21:53:33  <Samu> aha I have it

21:53:42  <Eddi|nichZuHause> word is not ;)

21:54:09  <Samu> looks great too

21:54:24  <Samu> actually no, looks with weird accents

21:54:45  <Samu> ##name Portuguese

21:54:45  <Samu> ##ownname Português

21:55:07  <glx> it's utf8

21:55:11  <Eddi|nichZuHause> then wordpad did not recognize UTF-8 properly

21:55:30  <glx> and the encoding must be utf8

21:55:41  <glx> you should try notepad++

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21:56:01  <Samu> ok let me see if I can change to utf-8

21:56:17  <glx> wordpad is old

21:56:47  <glx> arg in win 7 it doesn't look like worpad

21:57:47  * andythenorth updates smoke spec :P 

21:57:48  <andythenorth> http://pastebin.com/kiXnW2EJ

21:58:41  <Samu> it works fine under ms word

21:58:50  <Samu> so I need to be careful

22:02:03  <andythenorth> good night

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22:16:35  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r21302 /trunk/src/network/core/tcp_http.cpp: -Fix (r18994): do not add HTTP connection to list of connections when it fails in the beginning

22:17:05  <Rawh> planetmaker: ordered a new macbook pro o/

22:17:13  <Rawh> damn freaking hole in my wallet now

22:17:21  <Rawh> hope it fills up again soon >.>

22:17:28  * Rawh ponders

22:17:36  <planetmaker> he :-)

22:17:36  <Rawh> I guess it ships with snow leopard

22:17:50  <Rawh> I'm so used to just leopard :(

22:19:06  <Rawh> planetmaker: oh and sorry for hilight, I won't do it to much! :P

22:19:43  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r21303 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/updater/udp.cpp: [MSU] -Fix: use 'delete' for data allocated by 'new'

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22:20:18  <planetmaker> thank you ;-)

22:20:28  <Rawh> O:-)

22:22:05  <Eddi|nichZuHause> "i'll just do it another time just to apologize" :p

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22:22:20  <Rawh> ssshhh, don't say that outloud

22:22:37  <Rawh> he's catch on to me and do worse bofh things

22:22:40  <Rawh> he'll

22:22:47  <Rawh> god my typing sucks tonight :(

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22:23:56  <planetmaker> nah, not from hell ;-)

22:24:00  <planetmaker> Hell is boring ;-)

22:24:12  <Rawh> "Been there, done that, got the T-shirt" ?

22:24:22  <__ln___> Hell is in Norway

22:24:57  <Chrill> HEll no

22:25:01  <Chrill> well yes

22:25:03  <Rawh> Hell.no ?

22:25:04  <Chrill> ok sorry, go on

22:25:10  * Chrill scuttles off

22:26:22  <__ln___> for example, http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/H_f59HRP6Jq0JAcVB2V27w

22:27:51  <Eddi|nichZuHause> funnily, in german, "hell" means "bright" ;)

22:29:02  <Eddi|nichZuHause> __ln___: obviously, that is "hell.no" ;)

22:29:09  <Rawh> hehe

22:30:44  <Eddi|nichZuHause> Orte:    * Hell (Kalifornien)    * Hell (Michigan)    * Hell (Norwegen)    * Hell (Gelderland)

22:32:34  <glx> so california and michigan are countries ?

22:33:03  <Eddi|nichZuHause> about as much as Gelderland... so actually Norway is a province ;)

22:33:22  <Rawh> Gelderland hasn't flooded yet?

22:34:57  <Eddi|nichZuHause> wasn't the entire purpose of the netherlands to "un-flood" land? ;)

22:35:09  <Xaroth> we rawk at un-flooding land!

22:35:18  <Eddi|nichZuHause> they've been doing that for like 300 years now...

22:37:10  <Rawh> In Friesland we have 'terpen', I wonder if we can teach that to more people :P

22:37:28  <Rawh> a mound

22:37:33  <Xaroth> wait, friesland hasn't flooded yet? damnit

22:37:35  <Rawh> ... that just sounds wrong 'terpen'

22:37:54  <Rawh> Xaroth: yes it has, it was transformed

22:37:59  <Rawh> now friesians live there

22:38:16  <Rawh> kinda like france, the country itself: wonderful... the people... ugh

22:38:34  <Rawh> hope I didn't make to many enemies with saying that :(

22:38:58  <glx> hehe

22:39:07  <glx> we are known for that :)

22:39:15  <Rawh> french or friesians?

22:39:20  <glx> french

22:39:20  <Xaroth> both! :P

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22:39:44  <glx> and it's worse in big cities

22:39:48  <Rawh> good, so my understanding of the world and beyond isn't that fucked up as popular believe(d)

22:42:53  <ding> is it possible to show automatic messages in a openttd server?

22:43:08  <Rawh> oh lord, no, no spam!

22:43:09  <Eddi|nichZuHause> dependss

22:43:09  <Xaroth> ding: define 'automatic messages' ?

22:43:26  <glx> like "welcome ..." ?

22:43:32  <ding> every 10 minutes a message for example

22:43:36  <glx> no

22:43:40  <Rawh> yep, spam...

22:43:45  <ding> glx welcome message is good 2

22:43:47  <Xaroth> some people made a wrapper for the server for that

22:43:56  <glx> welcome message is easy

22:44:00  <Chris_Booth> I am sure you could write the into autopilot

22:44:08  <glx> check scripts dir

22:44:16  <glx> and ask the wiki

22:44:16  <ding> kk

22:44:22  <ding> tanks

22:44:40  <Chris_Booth> you could even spam your clients with a little TCL knowledge and the autopilot script from openttdcoop.dev

22:44:52  <Chris_Booth> but not sure why you would want to

22:44:58  <glx> isn't autopilot outdated ?

22:45:12  <Xaroth> planetmaker will know most likely :P

22:45:18  <Rawh> time for nap, nn o/

22:45:32  <ding> ok thanks guys

22:45:42  <Chris_Booth> not sure AP is what I use but I think it was being replaced by AV

22:46:03  <glx> and IIRC AP+ is python

22:46:22  <planetmaker> nah. ap and ap+ both are TCL

22:46:33  <Xaroth> IT LIVES!

22:46:34  <planetmaker> the new one, which dih writes, that's in java

22:46:40  <Xaroth> java O_O

22:46:45  <planetmaker> but it's not yet functional

22:47:05  <glx> talking through the admin port ?

22:47:09  <Xaroth> good, kill it with fire before it becomes intelligent :P

22:47:18  <Chris_Booth> but still AP and AP+ could have extensions added to them to pointlessly message all clients

22:48:08  <Chris_Booth> and good evening planetmaker

22:48:27  <planetmaker> glx, yes the new java stuff is for the admin port

22:48:30  <planetmaker> hi Chris_Booth

22:49:36  <Xaroth> ooh, this admin port looks interestings

22:49:45  <Chris_Booth> long time no see planetmaker

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22:50:22  <Chris_Booth> that maybe as I have been busy, and I have stopped playing your servers

22:51:49  <Xaroth> ooh, some typos in the docs for admin network

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22:57:49  <Samu> sorry for bothering you again

22:58:05  <Samu> on this page http://translator.openttd.org/en/settings

22:58:17  <Samu> for my language, there's gender and case

22:58:36  <Samu> case is the case sensitivity, right?

22:58:48  <Samu> if the first word on a phrase

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22:59:19  <Samu> gender is still empty

22:59:23  <Samu> can I add stuff there?

22:59:23  <Chris_Booth> Case is UPPERCASE and lowercase

22:59:52  <Xaroth> glx: http://svn.opendune.org/~xaroth/docs.patch

23:00:09  <Xaroth> some typos i found while quickly reading docs/admin_network.txt

23:00:13  <Samu> there's 5 types of genders if I count plurals, or only 3?

23:00:30  <Samu> how should I add genders when counting plural genders?

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23:02:08  <glx> case is like the thing in latin

23:04:14  <Terkhen> good night

23:04:40  <planetmaker> good night Terkhen & all others, too

23:04:57  <Xaroth> o/

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23:06:53  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21304 /trunk/docs/admin_network.txt: -Fix (r21005): some typos in documentation (Xaroth)

23:07:06  <Xaroth> <3

23:07:36  <glx> <Samu> there's 5 types of genders if I count plurals, or only 3? <-- depends on how you will use them in translation

23:07:55  <glx> in french there are 2 genders but I use 3 in translation

23:08:44  <glx> male female and another male for cleaner translation

23:08:55  <Samu> glx, can you help me a bit with this so I can get started for once

23:09:20  <Samu> there's male non plural, female non plural, male plural, female plural and neutral

23:09:36  <Samu> neutral can apply to both plural and non plural

23:10:03  <Samu> I tried looking in the .txt file for industry genders and I can't find it

23:11:00  <glx> for now there are no genders at all in portuguese translation

23:11:13  <Samu> but there are of course

23:11:17  <Samu> how do I fix that

23:11:33  <glx> first step is to add the #gender pragma

23:12:08  <glx> then add {G=...} for strings like industry names

23:12:32  <glx> then use {G ... ... ...} in industry news messages

23:13:20  <Samu> can it be done in the web translator?

23:13:20  <Samu> add a pragma?

23:16:03  <glx> that part can't be done in WT for now but just tell us what to add and we'll add it

23:16:06  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21305 /extra/masterserver_updater/docs/mysql-database-structure.sql: [MSU] -Document: some changes to the table structures

23:16:42  <glx> then you can add {G=...} and {G ... ...} yourself

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23:18:59  <Samu> I studied french

23:19:17  <glx> in french I use m, m2 and f, in spanish it's masculino and feminino, in german m, w, n, p

23:19:26  <glx> just tell what you want to use :)

23:19:32  <Samu> there's 2 genders and 1 for plural engobing both genders

23:19:50  <Samu> hmm

23:19:59  <Samu> well, I need to be really sure about it, right?

23:20:06  <glx> right, but for the translations I needed 2 male type ;)

23:20:25  <glx> (for l')

23:20:34  <Rubidium> l'automobile

23:20:44  <glx> that's female

23:20:55  <glx> wrong example ;)

23:21:03  <glx> it was for l'aéronef

23:21:07  <Rubidium> whenever I guess I'm wrong :)

23:21:36  <Samu> m, f, mp, fp, n ? this?

23:21:45  <glx> yes for a start

23:21:54  <Samu> what about that plural thing?

23:21:59  <Samu> about the 1 and 0

23:22:08  <Samu> 1 is singular, rest is plural?

23:22:17  <glx> that's handled by {P ...}

23:22:42  <Rubidium> depends on the setting

23:22:44  <glx> and german uses genders too for some stuff

23:23:08  <glx> but plural is mainly done via {P}

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23:23:40  <Samu> I wonder how the brazillian guy did it with just 3 genders

23:23:49  <glx> for now maybe you can start with just m p n

23:24:00  <glx> and request more if you need them

23:24:13  <glx> hmm m f n :)

23:24:34  <Samu> ok

23:24:36  <glx> start with the basics :)

23:24:39  <Samu> I request m f and n

23:24:44  <Samu> those are garanteed

23:25:08  <Rubidium> are any of the industries plural in Portuguese?

23:25:11  <Rubidium> e.g. the oil wells

23:25:25  <Samu> yes

23:25:33  <Samu> poços de petróleo

23:25:35  <glx> so maybe a p too

23:25:41  <Samu> poços being plural

23:25:58  <Samu> male plural

23:26:22  <Samu> poças would be female plural

23:26:23  <Rubidium> then check all the cargos and industries whether they are plural

23:26:32  <glx> or directly m f n mp fp

23:27:13  <Samu> ok

23:28:08  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21306 /trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt: -Add: genders for portuguese language

23:28:47  <Samu> coal mine: mina de carvão - female nonplural

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23:29:27  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r21307 /trunk/src/lang/portuguese.txt: -Fix (r21306): forgot a #

23:29:44  <Samu> power station: central eléctrica - female nonplural

23:29:57  <glx> ok they are in WT now

23:30:22  <Samu> sawmill: oficina de carpintaria - female nonplural

23:30:39  <glx> no need to list that here :)

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23:30:59  <glx> just set {G=..} for them

23:31:19  <Samu> ok

23:33:55  <Samu> let's see if I understand

23:34:43  <Samu> nope, I don't understand, lol

23:34:53  <Samu> now I see a All, m, f, n, mp, fp

23:35:16  <Samu> does it mean there's a phrase for each gender?

23:35:42  <glx> no you just select the gender for the string

23:35:52  <glx> All means no {G=}

23:36:16  <glx> so for sawmill you select f

23:37:30  <Samu> ah!!!

23:37:36  <Samu> I think i'm getting there

23:38:16  <glx> then in the string that use these strings you use {G ... .... .... .... ....}

23:39:08  <Samu> what are those dots?

23:39:12  <glx> like {G le l' la} {STRING}

23:39:26  <Samu> ah

23:39:36  <Samu> o as os as

23:39:45  <Samu> do das dos das de

23:39:51  <glx> with string being {G=f}voiture {G=m}bateau {G=m2}avion

23:39:57  <Samu> no na nos nas em

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23:40:13  <Rubidium> ti ta tovenaar

23:40:25  <Samu> ok, let's see

23:40:45  <Samu> http://translator.openttd.org/en/trunk/pt_PT/STR_INDUSTRY_NAME_SAWMILL

23:40:57  <Samu> it says All, I just change to f

23:41:14  <Rubidium> yep, then press save

23:42:29  <Samu> done, ok i'm editing them all

23:42:48  <Samu> then I have to edit newspaper and ticketnews

23:42:53  <Samu> that's gonna be another headache

23:43:27  <glx> one suggestion, do industries and industry news and wait for next nightly ;)

23:43:42  <glx> to check the result before doing something else

23:44:23  <glx> if it's ok for you, you can then do the rest

23:59:37  <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r21308 /trunk/src/network/network.cpp: -Fix [FS#4262] (r20933-ish): crash upon desync

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