IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-06-03
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01:56:36 <DorpsGek> PeterT: Don't ask to ask, just ask
02:00:20 <Eoin> but maybe im not asking a question? :)
03:16:27 <Eoin> anyone here who uses mIRC+IPv6?
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07:29:42 <Tfacto> Just installed OpenGFX, and wanted to try some 32bbp graphics as well.
07:31:22 <Tfacto> However, I can't get the 32bpp graphics to work.
07:31:51 <Tfacto> Do I put the tar files in OpenTTD\data, or do I extract the tars first?
07:32:03 <planetmaker> you put them in OpenTTD/data
07:32:25 <planetmaker> But there are many tars for 32bpp which are designed for a patched version of OpenTTD and won't work for it
07:32:34 <Ammler> extracting is only needed, if you like to modify...
07:32:38 <Tfacto> and then i edit openttd.cfg to say blitter = "32bpp-simple"
07:32:41 <planetmaker> There's only a very limited set of 32bpp which work with official OpenTTD
07:32:58 <planetmaker> yes, you need that blitter. Or 32bpp-anim
07:33:49 <Tfacto> i still cant see any evidence of 32bpp, checking the toolbar, an oil rig and a radio transmitter
07:34:47 <Ammler> where did you get the tars?
07:36:31 <Ammler> hmm, but seems broken as well
07:37:34 <Tfacto> yeah, but in trying that i found that another grass tar had worked
07:39:35 <Ammler> yes, they made the 32bpp sprites depending on special versions of openttd and opengfx
07:39:55 <Ammler> it might be better to run it with original baseset, if you have it.
07:49:13 <Tfacto> oil rig and radio transmitter works with windows baseset
07:49:33 <Tfacto> i prefer to go with opengfx + those 32bpp graphics that works with opengfx
07:49:41 <Tfacto> wish there were more though
07:50:04 <Tfacto> hmm, the 32 bpp toolbar was hot
07:50:14 <Tfacto> any chance of getting that to work with opengfx?
07:53:48 <SmatZ> extract tar, rename the directory from openttdw to opengfx (or so)
07:55:40 <SmatZ> "If your going to post in an english forum, please use english."
07:58:29 <Rubidium> SmatZ: better than that ununderstandable Dutch message
08:00:44 <SmatZ> still, there are mods for that...
08:03:18 <Ammler> [09:53] <SmatZ> extract tar, rename the directory from openttdw to opengfx (or so) <-- wouldn't work, you also need to renumber
08:04:09 <SmatZ> I thought sprite numbers are fixed :/
08:06:24 <Ammler> SmatZ: they aren't fixed for openttdw.grf versions itself, how should it be fixed between openttd and opengfx
08:08:01 <SmatZ> actually, toolbar sprites are not in openttd.grf
08:08:48 <Ammler> well, I refered to your rename openttdw to opengfx :-P
08:08:59 <SmatZ> true, fast-forward might be :)
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08:09:07 <SmatZ> yeah, too early in the morning I guess
08:09:39 <SmatZ> I am up since 6, and I am still dead as if it was still 6:15 :-p
08:09:48 * Ammler puts a egg between hand and head of SmatZ
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10:45:01 <eQualizer> What's the situation of OpenTTD for Mac?
10:45:32 <planetmaker> but you need to compile it yourself. That's it.
10:45:37 <Rubidium> if it's broken, it's your problem
10:50:23 <Rubidium> and it's not automatically compiled anymore
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11:05:45 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19917 /trunk/ (source.list src/fios_gui.cpp src/misc_gui.cpp): -Codechange: Split save/load GUI to separate file.
11:11:29 <Terkhen> hmm... I'll never understand C strings
11:12:54 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: frosch * r19918 /trunk/projects/ (openttd_vs80.vcproj openttd_vs90.vcproj): -Fix (r19917): Project files.
11:15:39 <frosch123> there are tons of functions, and half of them is missing on some platform
11:18:08 <Terkhen> and the ones present don't work as I expect them to
11:22:27 <Terkhen> http://paste.openttd.org/225859 <--- I think I'm not understanding correctly how it works for arrays of c strings... either that or my mind refusing to understand any more code :P
11:23:36 <Rubidium> where did you find that beauty?
11:24:35 <Rubidium> the first line makes an array of char* of string_lines size
11:24:57 <peter1138> that lastof() looks suspicious :p
11:25:09 <Rubidium> line 5 then allocates memory to each of those entries
11:25:16 <Rubidium> yes, the lastof is suspicious
11:25:50 <Terkhen> it's my own code, each line seems suspicious to me :P
11:25:55 <Rubidium> I'd use new char[string_lines][DRAW_STRING_BUFFER] *if* I were going for that
11:26:04 <Rubidium> but, what are you trying to do exactly?
11:27:06 <Rubidium> copying the same string <string_lines> times?
11:27:56 <Rubidium> it's copying current_buf into the lines[0] and an empty string into the others
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11:34:04 <Terkhen> hmmm... shouldn't strecpy stop at the first '\0'?
11:34:41 <Rubidium> hmm, so basically you want DrawStringMultiLine to "bottom" align and return the "top"
11:35:10 <frosch123> hmmm do you need to copy the strings? or can you just pass the pointers to DrawString?
11:35:33 <Rubidium> DrawStringMultiline doesn't like char*
11:35:49 <Rubidium> though that's easily solved by STR_JUST_RAW_STRING
11:36:25 <Rubidium> or by passing a char* and the result of FormatStringLinebreaks to a helper function of DrawStringMultiLine
11:36:28 <Terkhen> since they are already splitted, I was going to use DrawString (but I have a patch that implements char* support for DrawStringMultiline somewhere)
11:36:53 <frosch123> hmm, drawing backwards breaks colour codes and fontsizes. is that a problem here?
11:37:09 <Rubidium> frosch123: maybe for chat strings?
11:37:28 <Terkhen> probably, I still haven't tested this
11:37:32 <Rubidium> although those might be stripped of colour before getting there
11:37:34 <frosch123> i do not really know, how the chat looks like :p
11:37:52 <Rubidium> in any case, the copying of string isn't needed as frosch123 said
11:38:15 <Rubidium> oh, besides for rtl reordering :(
11:38:32 <Rubidium> but for that you can use the code from DrawStringMultiLine
11:39:19 <Rubidium> but then, as I said, maybe a SA_BOTTOM flag would be "better"
11:39:45 * frosch123 also thinks adding a flag to DrawStringMultiLine is better
11:39:58 <frosch123> that can better deal with colours and fontsizes
11:39:59 <Rubidium> and STR_JUST_RAW_STRING + SetDPAram
11:41:03 <Terkhen> hmmm... yes, that sounds better
11:42:29 <Terkhen> STR_JUST_RAW_STRING can use an arbitrary number of strings?
11:43:27 <Terkhen> right, I misread something :P
11:43:30 <Rubidium> but the point is that the for (... print->previous) { Drawstring(...); } loops gets replaced with something like
11:43:49 <Rubidium> int bottom = this->height - 2 * this->lineheight;
11:45:55 <Rubidium> for (int i = 0; bottom > 0 && print != NULL; i++, print = print->previous) { SetDParamStr(0, print->buffer); bottom = DrawStringMultiLine(left, right, top, bottom, STR_JUST_RAW_STRING, print->colour, SA_LEF | SA_FORCE | SA_BOTTOM); }
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11:51:35 <Terkhen> some multiline strings will need to have their "top" outside of the console to get the bottom parts of them drawn... that could be solved by limiting by top and choosing the right "top" at the loop
11:52:19 <Rubidium> I don't think that really matters; the drawing thing just doesn't draw it
11:53:00 <Rubidium> what is "outside" the console for the drawing algorithm? It's just another case of "we're not going to repaint that part of the window", so it should be perfectly safe
11:54:14 <Terkhen> thanks for the comments, I'll get to it in my next free morning :P
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12:51:06 <borgfish> is there a setting that things like coal plants expire if not fed ?
12:51:34 <borgfish> i have the feeling that coal plants and oil riggs wont expire
12:55:06 <frosch123> power plants and banks cannot close, oil rigs can
12:55:29 <frosch123> iirc opengfx+ wants to change that, no idea whether they already did
13:00:11 <borgfish> ok another thing, sometimes an primary industry like coal mine closes despite beeing cared for. expacially self bfounded industries. is this changeable ?
13:04:25 <Rubidium> hello, oh great white one
13:07:06 <Belugas> hello sir Precious One
13:08:01 <Belugas> ho.. not so precious after all..
13:08:59 <Belugas> justthat... you shall not be put in contact with air
13:09:10 <Belugas> interesting metal, indeed
13:10:57 <borgfish> rubidium , what setting is that ?
13:14:23 * Belugas keeps as reference for lunch time :)
13:20:14 <Ammler> Rubidium: Chris Sawyer is stronger ;-)
13:22:34 <frosch123> braunschweig's only hope is that it does not rain on 20th...
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13:26:39 <frosch123> i am no good at days :)
13:26:58 <Ammler> maybe the fallout is worse
13:27:12 <Rubidium> frosch123: me neither... didn't expect all the Germans in E'de today
13:27:45 <Eddi|zuHause> blathijs: a newgrf on top of the base grfs that "fixes" some things
13:27:46 <frosch123> Rubidium: only half of them
13:27:46 <blathijs> Ah, a newgrf for opensfx :-)
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13:50:34 <NGP> Hi, Any one who knows a place to download good AIs
13:54:56 <Ammler> wow, you are reading quite fast
13:55:05 <Ammler> and there are at least links to downloads
13:55:17 <frosch123> the other one is for uploading
13:55:19 <Ammler> yes, it does redirect there
13:56:28 <Ammler> anyway, there is a link to bananas :-)
13:57:11 <Ammler> maybe there should be a link from bananas to that wiki page frosch123 pasted
14:00:57 <frosch123> hmm, this is the third time today i do push instead of qpush... luckily there is only read access
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14:03:23 <Belugas> with cream and cherry
14:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> that's easy, you take a banana and split it
14:05:38 <Ammler> he, 3 edits to add a link...
14:05:42 <Eddi|zuHause> then add cream and cherry
14:06:02 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: great, i would also like to get one
14:06:52 <frosch123> fine, you can skip that one
14:07:15 <dih> does it not usually come with ice cream too?
14:07:59 <Ammler> what cream do you mean?
14:08:52 <Belugas> add strawberry jam, chocolate, butterscotch, nuts, lots of ice cream, and cream on top (wiped cream, if it's the right name)
14:10:00 <Belugas> yurk... cat furr on icea cream...
14:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: you confuse that with "miau" :p
14:11:00 <Eddi|zuHause> dih: yes, there are variants with (usually stracciatella) ice cream
14:11:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but afair it's not necessary
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14:16:31 <NGP> How do i send money to other companies ?
14:16:51 <Ammler> you can't, only to other clients
14:17:17 <Ammler> click on the client then you get a submenu
14:18:43 <NGP> so you cant do it unles you play online ?
14:23:05 <Ammler> in sp, you can with ctrl-alt-c, move to the company and the cheat money
14:23:35 <Ammler> (don't forget to reduce the same amount at your company)
14:23:57 <SmatZ> granularity is 10000000GBP
14:25:57 <Ammler> never tried, if it is possible to cheat money away...
14:26:20 <frosch123> Ammler: that was added around 0.7 or so
14:26:42 <frosch123> but you cannot bankrupt that way :(
14:26:49 <Ammler> NGP: what doesn't work?
14:29:43 <Ammler> then it might be ctrl-alt-superduperkey-c
14:29:44 <Eddi|zuHause> NGP: sometimes the system catches that hotkey (e.g. ati control panel), then you need to use ctrl+alt+win+c
14:32:50 <fjb> Oh, some 3D stuff is working with this ATI card.
14:32:56 <NGP> How do i activate the "cheat"
14:34:47 <Belugas> HGP: have yu tried Eddi|zuHause's suggestion ?
14:35:51 <Belugas> NGP: have yu tried Eddi|zuHause's suggestion ?
14:37:04 <NGP> It works and when a window pop's up and i enter stuff, but when i close it nothing happens so maybe you wold have to type in somthing ?
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14:39:21 <Belugas> and you don't enter stuff, you click and set stuff. the effects are immediate
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14:58:54 <Belugas> ho... such a nice individual...
14:59:05 <Belugas> THANK YOU , YOU'RE WELCOME!
15:00:37 <frosch123> yeah, he did not offer any banana split
15:04:17 <fjb> Hm, this graphics card makes an annoying noise.
15:06:07 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe if you're asking nice enough, you can get a netsplit!
15:06:48 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: if it "feeeeep"s, then it means a capacitor is likely blowing up soon
15:07:06 <frosch123> if it roars, then there is dirt in the fan
15:07:40 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause: No, it kind of roars.
15:08:02 <fjb> The fan is clean. It's more the speed of the fan.
15:11:12 <Belugas> or a cockroach having its tail ventilated
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15:14:42 <fjb> May be I should relocate one of the case fans.
15:15:19 <planetmaker> <frosch123> braunschweig's only hope is that it does not rain on 20th... <-- hey, don't call for it!
15:16:19 <fjb> Where will the meeting be?
15:17:59 <planetmaker> I'm still pondering what to do if the weather is indeed bad...
15:18:40 <planetmaker> hm... :-) It's actually an idea
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15:54:17 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have a statistical anomaly... i have pieces of video of about 3 minutes (+-2s, ~1%) cut from the same stream, but they have sizes of 150MB (+-10MB, ~8%)
15:58:32 <planetmaker> it really depends upon the compression algorithm in use
15:59:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but in a live stream, i'd expect fairly constant bitrate
16:00:25 <planetmaker> not necessarily. They also might provide full frames every x seconds and only differential updates between or so
16:00:46 <Eddi|zuHause> full frames are every 12th frame, ~1/2 second
16:01:21 <planetmaker> and compression rate depends upon the actual images :-)
16:01:35 <planetmaker> transmitting white noise is quite costly :-)
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16:25:57 <Ammler> is it possible to close windows from console?
16:30:58 <frosch123> i guess it vanishes if you save and reload
16:34:14 <Ammler> yes, not possible as the passwords would disapear
16:34:56 <Ammler> maybe there is a setting so this window wouldn't arise?
16:35:24 <slickgoku> thank god for autosave :)
16:35:47 <Ammler> dunno, if god can code c
16:36:21 <frosch123> god only does assembly
16:37:00 <Ammler> and he ignores most bug reports
16:37:01 <planetmaker> nope. God does RNA
16:37:18 <planetmaker> he's got four letters. Or five. Depending upon count
16:37:43 <planetmaker> Maybe he also does DNA. Dunno really :-P
16:38:19 <Ammler> but for sure, he is worst developer
16:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe he is wurst developer?
16:38:37 <slickgoku> well then I don't know who to thank since I accidently deleted a large part of a complicated area of track :D
16:38:45 <planetmaker> I'd agree to that, Eddi|zuHause :-)
16:39:24 <Ammler> slickgoku: I guess, that is a CS feature, not sure
16:39:50 <Eddi|zuHause> tto did not have autosave, but the world editor expansion had
16:40:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and it overwrote my first savegame :(
16:40:36 <Ammler> my first saves were on a floppy which I trashed with the game :-)
16:42:08 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: that's a short list!
16:42:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: even short lists can be too long
16:43:00 <Eddi|zuHause> everything that has 4+ train sets in it is likely too long...
16:43:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and 4+ town sets aren't really useful either
16:43:45 <Ammler> don't post tt-ms.de links here...
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16:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, these people don't need to know our secret hideout!
16:50:43 <slickgoku> cool batman and robin in the house
16:53:54 <Belugas> Rubidium, that video of yours... WOW...
16:54:05 <Belugas> i was not aware it was soooo explosive
16:55:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not seen the video, but i believe it's something similar to the experiment we did with Sodium in school...
16:59:11 <frosch123> a chemistry/biology teacher at my school once did that experiment with a serious amount of natrium and the lake of the school. then he wondered why also the fishes popped up...
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17:02:15 <frosch123> i don't know for how long the other chemistry/biology teacher who cared about the school's garden and lake did not talk to him :p
17:02:53 <Rubidium> frosch123: they were fresh water fish?
17:03:34 <frosch123> i guess so, what else should there be in outdoor lakes?
17:04:21 <Rubidium> or maybe it was the pH of the water
17:04:37 <frosch123> i guess the pH killed them
17:06:42 <Rubidium> you can kill them with music as well
17:07:11 <Belugas> music feeds, not kills
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17:09:43 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... apparently THEY don't want _another_ protestantic woman at the head of the state...
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17:10:06 <Rubidium> or rather sexism I guess
17:10:39 <Eddi|zuHause> or whatever is the one with religion called...
17:13:13 <frosch123> lena is protestantic?
17:13:36 <Rubidium> nah, she believes in satelites or something
17:14:33 <Rubidium> guess she's more lightheaded than nena
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17:18:11 * frosch123 wonders whether he should be impressed or frightened by whom belugas knows
17:18:41 <Alberth> if you are both, you are never wrong :p
17:18:46 <Belugas> i know you, frosch123!
17:20:23 <Belugas> King Alberth, please accept my humble salutations :)
17:20:42 <Alberth> hmm, promoted to king now eh?
17:21:00 <Rubidium> Albert of Monaco, right?
17:21:37 <Alberth> but Monaco sounds much better
17:21:48 <Rubidium> Alberth: but I wouldn't like to be associated with the (current) state of Belgium
17:22:35 <Rubidium> heh, Apocalyptica did Rammstein? That'll be the thing I learned today :)
17:22:45 <Xaroth> apocalyptica does a lot of bands
17:23:33 <Xaroth> they haven't done tool yet, but I doubt they could manage the awesomeness of tool :/
17:24:46 <Rubidium> guess you don't mean Tanzania's main airport
17:25:22 <Belugas> How To Destroy Angels. That's a new band, with Trent Reznor.
17:25:29 <Rubidium> Belugas: HTDA as in the HTDA of "A Drowning"?
17:26:01 <Rubidium> heard like 3 minutes of them :)
17:26:45 <Belugas> i keep on listening to the 6 tracks on an on since... tuesday i guess
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17:29:19 <Belugas> well.. thanks peter1138, he's the one behind the finding.
17:29:45 <Belugas> Xaroth, anythng that Trent Reznor touches is pure gold
17:30:03 <Belugas> sometimes it's brute gold, sometines its a very nice jewel
17:40:28 <DJNekkid> quick question, i know there are only 16 possible railtypes, but can i define above ID 0F, but i skip thoose sprites with an action7/9 ?
17:40:55 <DJNekkid> i.e. i define ID 0 to (decimal) 20
17:41:10 <DJNekkid> but nr 10-13 is skipped via for example a parameter?
17:43:08 <frosch123> RailType railtype_map[RAILTYPE_END]; <- no, you can only use ids 0-15
17:43:48 <frosch123> grfmsg(1, "RailTypeReserveInfo: Rail type %u is invalid, max %u, ignoring", id + numinfo, RAILTYPE_END); <- you will get that message
17:44:22 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you could use Action6
17:44:27 <frosch123> so you have to do some action6/d magic :)
17:44:50 <DJNekkid> or some template magic :9
17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: translators * r19919 /trunk/src/lang/ (estonian.txt unfinished/irish.txt unfinished/urdu.txt):
17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: estonian - 5 changes by taavi
17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: irish - 22 changes by tem
17:45:35 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: urdu - 118 changes by zohair
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18:05:35 <Eddi|zuHause> urdu is what they speak in pakistan?
18:16:52 <Jolteon> Well, they have two official languages, Urdu & English.
18:17:08 <Jolteon> then a few provincial ones that vary slightly, Eddi|zuHause.
18:17:21 <Jolteon> Punjabi, Pashto, Balochi, and another I forgot.
18:31:10 <orudge_> They also seem to be vaguely official languages in Glasgow these days
18:31:15 <orudge_> or at least, the city council produces leaflets in Urdu
18:31:20 <orudge_> but not in, say, French or German
18:36:16 <Eddi|zuHause> well, opposing to france or germany, pakistan WAS part of britain in the recent past :p
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18:39:38 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: btw. the ukrainian song goes like "Oh sweet people, have you no love for mankind, must you go on killing, just to pass the time"
18:48:16 <Eddi|zuHause> then some bits about video games and "the end is near", but i don't fully understand it...
18:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause> that song always reminds me of "Bernd das Brot" :p
18:49:46 <Wolf01> not "my only friend, the end"?
18:51:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i hope you mean the model railway ;)
18:51:26 <Belugas> hoo.. the concert resumes!
18:51:48 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, nope. my interface with the new payment processor
18:52:00 <Wolf01> I want learn to play the basso guitar!
18:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> learn a real bass... :)
18:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there's something funny: in contrabass playing, there exists a "german" style, and a "french" style, even though both of them have been developed in italy :p
18:57:27 <Belugas> bass is easy to learn
18:57:37 <Belugas> bass is heavy to handle
18:58:25 * Belugas switches to DeathMole
19:14:59 <SmatZ> Eddi|zuHause: nice song
19:20:02 <SmatZ> how popular is Eurosong? I am not much interested in it, we participated twice, without any real success :)
19:20:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 15 Mio viewers in germany
19:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> it beat boxing and football in ratings ;)
19:21:39 <SmatZ> that's about 16% of population
19:21:57 <SmatZ> I am really surprised, I thought you would prefer football :)
19:22:12 <SmatZ> but still, 16% isn't much
19:22:38 <planetmaker> I think it got like 65% market share when it was broadcasted
19:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> actually it is much... normal shows have like 2 to 4 Mio viewers if they are good...
19:23:42 <SmatZ> Germany is a lot different from Czech Republic, then :)
19:23:48 <SmatZ> "On 22 July 2009 ČT officially announced their withdrawal from the 2010 Contest, stating a lack of interest from the Czech public to the contest and poor viewing figues for the shows."
19:26:40 <fjb> Oh, that Ukrainian song is really good.
19:27:43 <Eddi|zuHause> it got 10th place i think
19:28:57 <fjb> It is far better than the German song. And she can sing way better.
19:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> ... of 25 entries in the finale and 39 countries participating
19:29:32 <Eddi|zuHause> i think georgia was the best singer
19:29:41 <SmatZ> I think the problem (at least for me) is that ~90% of songs there are boring...
19:29:58 <SmatZ> and Czechs aren't that competitive in that :-p
19:30:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i think this year had a lot of good songs
19:30:05 <SmatZ> hockey or football, fine, but singing...
19:30:19 <SmatZ> maybe, I didn't see this year's :)
19:30:39 <fjb> I stopped watching the contest about 20 years ago.
19:31:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ... that means you missed all the good stuff like "Wadde Hadde Dude Da?" :p
19:32:25 <fjb> But I could hardly avoid the German songs.
19:33:27 <SmatZ> "Wadde Hadde Dude Da" isn't really my taste of music
19:33:40 <Eddi|zuHause> SmatZ: i was being ironic ;)
19:33:41 <SmatZ> and the video is insane :)
19:35:01 <Eddi|zuHause> viewers this year: 14,69 Mio. viewers last year: 7,36 Mio
19:35:40 <planetmaker> all the years the German contributions were very poor
19:35:53 <planetmaker> both in singing and in the personality
19:36:06 <planetmaker> this time at least the person wasn't a complete freak-out
19:37:53 <frosch123> we should send smatz next year :p
19:39:30 <frosch123> i just lmao when i heard that the winning song was actually writting by americans
19:39:47 <Eddi|zuHause> an american and a danish person, i believe
19:40:21 <frosch123> a bought song, a casted singer, it cannot miss the point of the contest any more (as i always understood it)
19:43:25 <Eddi|zuHause> as far as i understood it, a lot of the singers were casted after the song was already fixed
19:44:06 <__ln__> i think the verb tenses go 'cast, cast, cast'
19:44:55 <frosch123> what cast? dynamic, static, reinterprete?
19:44:57 <planetmaker> obviously the tenses are gone
19:45:08 <planetmaker> luckily at this time the tension, too ;-)
19:45:21 * planetmaker drinks quite relaxed a cold beer
19:46:46 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: it's a matter of back-translation... if german loans a verb from another language, it tends to get "weak" conjugation
19:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> so if one lends a "strong" (in english mostly called "irregular") verb, it gets "weak", and if one translates that back, it stays "weak"
19:50:04 <fjb> frosch123: cast from poor to rich (at least they hope that).
19:50:39 <frosch123> then it must be a reinterpret cast, as it crashes usually
19:51:34 <fjb> Casting shows are mostly a political thing.
19:51:35 <planetmaker> null pointer de-reference? ;-)
19:52:27 <Alberth> it gets reinterpret-ed as rich in experience
19:57:33 <fjb> OH, google-earth is unusable with the radeon driver. :-(
19:58:43 <__ln__> how are the r20000 meet plans?
19:59:36 <fjb> SmatZ: The reminds me more about Kraftwerk.
20:01:06 <planetmaker> __ln__: after lunch at my place
20:01:55 <__ln__> i'm considering booking a flight tonight
20:02:43 <__ln__> too many smileys, i'm suspecting something!
20:03:32 <frosch123> SmatZ: what is that weird stuff?
20:04:12 <frosch123> that reminds me about "alpha, beta, gamma, überraum"
20:04:47 <__ln__> planetmaker: have you written to the forums or somewhere about it?
20:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm finished on the 19th around 12:00 in Niemberg, and must be back on the 20th at 11:00 in Merseburg...
20:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> in case someone wants to carpool or something
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20:07:19 <MastaLu> Maybe thats a dumb newbie question but can i switch transport methods .. like trucks delivering a train depot ?
20:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> MastaLu: you can build a combined station
20:07:45 <planetmaker> just build it as one station
20:07:53 <planetmaker> easiest way: build them immediately adjacent
20:07:56 <Eddi|zuHause> MastaLu: with pressing ctrl, if they are not right next to each other
20:08:30 <MastaLu> And how Do i do that ? i tried connect them to each other even built adjacent .. or do i need to be aware of what direction they face ?
20:08:30 <Eddi|zuHause> we're now exchanging early '80s songs?
20:08:49 <Rubidium> frosch123: the first 20 seconds aren't that bad
20:08:56 <planetmaker> MastaLu: the station will show which modes of transports it has
20:09:20 <planetmaker> in the station sign
20:09:41 <MastaLu> well yeah i managed that incidentialy but not on purpose ^^
20:10:10 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: only the hillarious stuff
20:10:18 <planetmaker> frosch123: hillarious :-)
20:10:32 <planetmaker> That was in the discos when I was in last grade in school ;-)
20:10:33 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19920 /trunk/src/lang/ (norwegian_bokmal.txt norwegian_nynorsk.txt): -Change: set the correct digit group separator for both Norwegians, unify the ownname naming and add genders/cases needed to improve the translation
20:10:46 * fjb waits for "99 Luftballons" now.
20:11:01 <frosch123> what, is pm that more old than me?
20:11:16 <Rubidium> fjb: I referenced that hours ago already
20:11:17 <MastaLu> can you guys give me another hint on how to replace vehicles .. i got it setup like the tutorial but it said "out of money" while i had enough
20:11:24 <planetmaker> hm... seems the song is a bit older than I thought :-)
20:11:36 <planetmaker> frosch123: I guess I'm a bit older than you - but not that much ;-)
20:11:39 <fjb> Rubidium: I wasn't here yet.
20:11:46 <MastaLu> Bah fjb ... Berlin - Take my breath away ^^
20:12:02 <fjb> MastaLu: That was much later.
20:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> MastaLu: there is a setting for minimum money required
20:12:37 <frosch123> planetmaker: you are somewhat off by 15 years or so
20:13:09 <Alberth> MastaLu: can you still buy the vehicle?
20:13:42 <MastaLu> ah found one eddi .. can i access those additional options also during a game ?
20:13:44 <frosch123> fjb: it is even more troublesome. belugas knows nina hagen. though intestingly the topic then switched to how to destroy angels
20:13:54 <planetmaker> frosch123: yes, seems like :-)
20:14:16 <planetmaker> there must have been a re-make somewhen around mid-ninties
20:14:54 <Rubidium> fjb: I think Schnappi's better :)
20:15:09 <MastaLu> schnappi? you being serious ?
20:15:52 <Rubidium> heh, it's quite educational
20:16:09 <MastaLu> uhm .. i guess i missed that one ?
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20:16:36 <Rubidium> you missed the "small crocodiles come from an egg"
20:18:08 <MastaLu> oh .. true .. what a great and perfect description of the beginning of the lifecycle ...
20:18:13 <fjb> Hm, the better live version on youtube is blocked by Sony. :-(
20:18:26 <__ln__> planetmaker: what's the expected ending time?
20:18:42 <MastaLu> BTW thanks for the help guys ^^
20:18:47 <planetmaker> __ln__: I haven't planned that time really...
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20:19:12 <planetmaker> but I'd assume somewhen evening.
20:19:37 <__ln__> ok, well, too much scheduling can be too restrictive.
20:20:04 <planetmaker> it wouldn't work out anyway, I'm sure ;-)
20:20:30 <planetmaker> in the hope of good weather we can have a joint BBQ for dinner and we'll see
20:21:12 <__ln__> well... now i happen to have a flight to hannover on the 18th. (but not back)
20:22:07 <Rubidium> that does have subtitles in some I think one of the Iberian languages
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21:06:54 <FauxFaux> fjb: That's an incredibly useful url. ¬_¬
21:07:33 <FauxFaux> The url is encryptz000red!!11 Can't visit.
21:08:59 <FauxFaux> Normally just /v/ing the url fixes most of the restrictions anyway.
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21:09:42 <fjb> It doesn't. Youtube detects where I come from (probably by miy ip-number).
21:12:02 * andythenorth is troubled by the FIRS aluminium plant
21:12:24 <andythenorth> or too big for a single building anyway
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21:21:02 <fjb> FauxFaux: Big problem is that Youtube doesn't show it in the search results when I come from Germany.
21:23:51 <fjb> I only find a version with strange subtitles which I'm not allowed to view. In the related list of that strange version is the real version.
21:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> fjb: possibly you misspelled it?
21:25:13 <fjb> I don't think so. I find every other version.
21:50:38 <SmatZ> great, there are more places to watch Nina Hagen :-p
21:51:16 <SmatZ> (from what I heard and saw today, she has good voice, but is insane - in a bad way)
21:53:07 <tokai> What the heck is going on here? :)
21:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it's Belugas' fault
21:53:36 <SmatZ> 80's DDR music discussion :)
21:53:49 <Eddi|zuHause> he brought up the name first
21:54:28 <tokai> DDR the game? Or as in GDR? :)
21:55:19 <Rubidium> SmatZ: in 1980 she moved to the US
21:55:51 <Rubidium> yeah, or at least that's what pediawiki says
21:56:37 <tokai> She is rather scary. Visually, that is. Dunno about the rest. :)
21:57:08 <tokai> I remember some football game where she had to sing and the micro wasn't working (I think) :)
21:57:44 <tokai> And that summarizes my knowledge about her. :)
22:01:16 <Eddi|zuHause> i know that her daughter is less crazy and more beautiful than her
22:02:36 <fjb> SmatZ: Not 80s, that song is from the 70s.
22:08:38 <MastaLu> whoa a day full of nena
22:13:06 <Rubidium> more real than a satellite
22:15:30 <Rubidium> not quite sure whether the new or old version is the better though
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