IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2010-04-29
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05:16:45 <Mazur> BBC4 had a interesting documentary about the African "Freedom" railway. yesterday. Watched some during my late dinner,
05:20:00 * Mazur saw a copper pick up, a maize farm, Chinese locs and lots of not hurried people on this string and bean operation.
05:21:24 <Mazur> Unfortunately, I missed most of it, I'd hoped for inspirations.
05:21:41 <Mazur> Good morning, by the way.
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08:15:02 <peter1138> my xterm had dead pixels...
08:20:41 <SpComb> peter1138: terminal emulators are more difficult than you might think
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08:34:18 <peter1138> "Something caused Stopmotion to exit abnormally last time it was runned."
08:39:41 <peter1138> kill -9 `ps ax | grep vgrabbj | grep -v grep | cut -b 0-5`
08:39:47 <peter1138> wow, this programmer's clever...
08:40:14 <peter1138> `pidof vgrabbj` is presumably too hard...
08:41:07 <Alberth> not to mention asking nicely to a program to stop running :)
08:42:43 <Alberth> or using killall vgrabbj :)
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10:10:19 <nicholas_> parlez vous francais?
10:10:53 <nicholas_> i speak english lol
10:13:33 <Goulp> il y a quelques franais ici, but they speak english as requested in the channel title
10:14:00 <TrueBrain> je ne parle pas francais! Ich spreche keine Deutch! Ik spreek geen Nederlands! I don't speak English!
10:14:50 <Goulp> TrueBrain: but you may understand some of them...
10:15:32 <Goulp> should i say many instead ?
10:16:14 <TrueBrain> I understand all of those 4 languages, that is the joke .. sigh .. nevermind
10:17:19 <Goulp> beeing cheese can be dangerous about smelling
10:22:47 <nicholas_> does anyone speak C++ ?
10:26:20 <__ln___> nicholas_: btw, it's spelled "français".
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11:02:32 <erani_> hmm. who posted a link to some game's website day before yesterday? it was some odd puzzle game that was ported to linux recently
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12:42:20 <DorpsGek> oskari89: DanMacK was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <DanMacK> Hey all
12:42:27 <oskari89> Wrong channel, sorry.
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14:08:46 <Mazur> Likewise to you, Belugas.
14:11:15 <Mazur> I wonder, since OpenGFX, -MSX and -SFX are required, unless you have the original for some of these, why the first ever try to run OpenTTD doesn't offer to download them from BaNaNaS, itself?
14:11:43 <Rubidium> Mazur: how to visualise the offer?
14:12:20 <Mazur> Well, there you have a point, sir.
14:12:23 <planetmaker> Mazur, OpenMSX and OpenSFX are not required...
14:13:37 <planetmaker> And as for OpenGFX: how to display anything without graphics... (that includes font)
14:13:55 <Mazur> Half-remembered lines from websites all over the web, which still state you need the original this and that to play.
14:14:12 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: on windows, a standard dialog window like for the help could be done
14:14:30 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I guess it *could* be done for others, too.
14:14:39 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but... Windows has the installer already
14:14:43 <planetmaker> I've seen those dialogues... even within OpenTTD code.
14:14:51 <Rubidium> so the use case for Windows is rather limited
14:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but never underestimate the dumbness of the user
14:16:01 <Mazur> I only half remember from my linux experience, when I first wanted to try the game, some time back.
14:16:34 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you could say that this is the responsibility of the package mangager
14:17:10 <Mazur> And then went to look on the web for resolutions, came across numerous sites staing (only) you needed the original somethings, and then downloaded a pirated copy.
14:17:36 <Mazur> Fired it up, and discovered htey were not needed, after all.
14:18:28 <Mazur> Glad to be rid of that other stuff.
14:19:18 <glx> you just found outdated sites ;)
14:19:31 <Mazur> But I did not know that.
14:19:54 <Mazur> I think even Wikipedia is outdated on that score.
14:20:04 <Mazur> But don;t quote me on that.
14:20:19 <glx> of course, 1.0.0 is less than 1 month old
14:20:49 <planetmaker> see how out-dated you are :-P
14:21:18 <Mazur> Terribly, and don;t I know it.
14:21:37 <planetmaker> blessed those who are ignorant ;-)
14:22:09 <Mazur> Yeah, childhood was bliss on that score....
14:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem with wikipedia is that it does not represent the truth, but the community representation of that truth
14:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and you may not use first hand sources
14:23:01 <planetmaker> the latter is the biggest problem.
14:23:16 <planetmaker> You cannot write as lead developer "it is done that way"
14:23:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can't just write an article about yourself just because you know yourself
14:23:50 <planetmaker> you need a written source which confirms that you're an ego-centric ;-)
14:23:59 <planetmaker> s/ego-centric/nice person/ :-P
14:24:04 <Eddi|zuHause> you need a "notable source" for other person's opinion on how they percieve yourself
14:24:13 <Mazur> Well, as a mwere player, I could updae the WIkiPedia entry.
14:24:28 <planetmaker> if you found a source which supports your changes...
14:24:39 <Eddi|zuHause> with your spelling, you shouldn't update wikipedia ;)
14:24:55 <Mazur> That's not spelling, that's typing skills.
14:25:32 <Mazur> And the difference between a throwaway line in a fugitive system and a more permanent text.
14:25:36 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it's even worse; if some paper/magazine writes something incorrect that is admissable for the OpenTTD page. If I write something about OpenTTD it's not considered a "verifiable" source...
14:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, as "a mere player" you are again a primary source, not a secondary source, no mention of notability either
14:26:17 <Mazur> I can direct to hte Wiki as a primary source.
14:26:36 <planetmaker> It's not a primary source either...
14:26:48 <Rubidium> "According to a study of the activity of the 61,154 open source projects on SourceForge in the period 1999-2005 OpenTTD is 8th most active patch/contribution receiving open source project." <- I think that is really utter bullshit, yet for Wikipedia it's proving notability and it's verifiable
14:26:50 <planetmaker> anyone could change that ;-)
14:26:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: yes, you need to get the magazine to revoke/correct the untrue artikle
14:27:20 <Rubidium> Mazur: primary sources are "worthless" for Wikipedia
14:27:33 <planetmaker> what would be true actually? number one active community? :-)
14:27:49 <Eddi|zuHause> largest channel on oftc ;)
14:28:01 <planetmaker> :-) really? I never compare(d)
14:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no, not entirely
14:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there's some debian stuff as well
14:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but i think in the beginning that was the case
14:29:37 <Rubidium> planetmaker: apparantly we received 874 patches in two years, which I think is quite a lot
14:30:21 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's probably a really useless statistics ;)
14:32:15 <Rubidium> changelog.txt for that period is not even that long
14:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> 83% of all statistics are made up on the spot
14:34:14 <Rubidium> and a rough estimate would be that one in 5-10 commits would have been a contributed patch
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14:35:15 <Rubidium> unless... language updates are considered "contributed" patches
14:38:42 <planetmaker> hm... :-) it'd be interesting to know how they came up with that number.
14:38:59 <planetmaker> But yeah... if "contributed" = showed up in forum it's believable.
14:40:06 <Rubidium> planetmaker: purely sf stuff
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15:03:23 <Eddi|zuHause> .. i hate that Civ4 does not group savegames by name of mod used...
15:05:09 <Rubidium> neither does OpenTTD
15:05:40 <peter1138> i'm going to assume that civ4 doesn't just load the correct mods...
15:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> an openttd mod for civ4 ;(
15:11:09 <Eddi|zuHause> err... where did that second smilie come from?
15:13:46 <planetmaker> Long decay constant
15:14:51 <Rubidium> the up arrow and enter key being quite close together? Then accidentally pressing both
15:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> no... more like both keypresses ending up in the wrong window
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17:45:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: translators * r19737 /trunk/src/lang/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:45:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: catalan - 2 changes by arnau
17:45:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: irish - 424 changes by tem
17:45:46 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: maltese - 105 changes by kelinu, peter88823
17:45:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: polish - 14 changes by xaxa
17:45:47 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: romanian - 28 changes by kkmic
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18:28:36 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19738 /trunk/src/ (newgrf_debug_gui.cpp saveload/waypoint_sl.cpp): -Fix: MSVC 64 bits compile warnings
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18:35:46 <planetmaker> Terkhen: compilation of FISH does not work due to the missing file :-)
18:36:15 <planetmaker> probably just a forgotten hg add sprites/pcx/some-hovercraft.pcx or so
18:38:27 <Terkhen> it's working now, thank you for the quick fix :)
18:43:07 <andythenorth> should never have happened ;)
18:50:19 <DJNekkid> is text/stringcode 01 (x offset) in pixels or in "space" chars?
18:54:49 <Alberth> that is something else than SETX, I hope
18:56:25 <DJNekkid> someone called it "setx" in the 2ccset bugreport
19:04:58 <Alberth> hmm, perhaps it still exists in NewGRF. SETX got removed from the string system in OpenTTD quite a while ago.
19:07:02 <planetmaker> Alberth: afaik it still exists
19:07:55 <Alberth> yeah, you just cannot enter it anymore in a string in the languages.
19:10:04 <DJNekkid> unless we are talking about something completely different things, it do work...
19:11:38 <DJNekkid> -1 * 0 04 00 LANG_ID \b1 \b*2000 01 21 "2100" 00
19:12:09 <DJNekkid> where the "01 21" shifts the text x21 pixels to the right
19:12:53 <Alberth> DJNekkid: we do speak about the same thing, just in different context. You use it in a NewGRF, while I had a string in a language file in mind. In the latter, it got removed.
19:13:08 <Alberth> DJNekkid: too bad not all characters have the same size.
19:13:54 <DJNekkid> but it shifts it pixels :)
19:14:23 <Alberth> as long as you use it for outlining graphics, it's fine I guess :)
19:14:58 <DJNekkid> well, i guess you also know how the 2cc set have its p-list sprites?
19:15:03 <DJNekkid> that is what i use it for :)
19:15:27 <Alberth> no, I don't even know what a p-list sprite is :)
19:15:59 <Nite_Owl> Got to fly - later all
19:16:45 <Rubidium> yeah, you should use "setx" there (stringcode 01)
19:17:00 <Alberth> and you make sure all graphics have the same width. That should be fine.
19:17:22 <Rubidium> same width isn't necessary IIRC
19:17:37 <Rubidium> although it might give some side effects
19:18:20 <Alberth> using it also has side effects, different NewGRF authors have different ideas about such width.
19:20:30 <Ammler> DJNekkid: you might need to use the sprite flag (+0x40)
19:23:03 <planetmaker> though I'm not sure wether I activated it there...
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21:04:43 <Belugas> and here we leave out for the day!
21:13:16 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19739 /extra/website/general/utils/version.py: [Website] -Fix: all releases would be shown as "latest"
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