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10:33:50 <andythenorth> is 'truck convoy' an acceptable type of RV?
10:35:56 <planetmaker> hello andythenorth
10:35:56 <Zuu> fonsinchen: Thes server reports version "g5b3732ce-carg" but the win32 binary reports "g5b3732ce-cargodist" and thus I can't join the server.
10:36:10 <frosch123> is that a direct upgrade from sheep-flock?
10:36:19 <planetmaker> I'd call it "road train". That's an established word in Australia IIRC
10:36:31 <planetmaker> frosch123: intermediate via sheep train
10:37:25 <Zuu> Not sure if it is your fault or if the version scripts cut the version at different length depending on platform.
10:38:17 <ccfreak2k> planetmaker, it actually looks like two words to me.
10:38:36 <KenjiE20> "2. Unforeseen Consequences"
10:39:08 <planetmaker> google.com probably will work, too ;-)
10:39:12 <andythenorth> road train is one truck, many trailers
10:39:26 <andythenorth> I am thinking of multiple trucks
10:39:38 <planetmaker> andythenorth: but multiple trucks should be multiple vehicles
10:39:47 <fonsinchen> Zuu, where does it report that?
10:39:48 <planetmaker> nothing the newgrf decides for the player
10:40:02 <fonsinchen> the server, I mean
10:40:05 <Zuu> The client version is printed at the top of the title window.
10:40:23 <Zuu> The server version you can see in the multiplayer window at the right.
10:40:26 <andythenorth> it seems IRL farm produce used to move in 3t-5t trucks until a few decades ago. For a farm producing even 90t / month, that's a boring amount of trucks
10:40:46 <fonsinchen> For me the server also reports the shortened string, but I can connect
10:41:00 <Zuu> It says VERSION MISMATCH here
10:41:09 <Zuu> fonsinchen: What does your client say?
10:41:15 <fonsinchen> Also the long string
10:42:01 <fonsinchen> where did you click to make it say "version mismatch"?
10:42:15 <andythenorth> industry type 'farms'.....several together, serve them by train
10:42:22 <andythenorth> or....lower farm production
10:42:23 <Zuu> I didn't click anywhere it says that on the left under the server stats.
10:42:29 <Zuu> And the join game button is greyed out.
10:42:43 <Zuu> The server has a red status symbol as well.
10:43:02 <planetmaker> andythenorth: then I don't think it's something a newgrf should fix
10:43:38 <planetmaker> 90t = 3...4 trucks a month
10:43:59 <fonsinchen> Zuu, please quote the exact version string you see in the main menu.
10:44:00 <planetmaker> which is not that bad considering that a normal diary farm is served by a truck every day or every 2nd day
10:44:47 <Zuu> Oh, now I see there is an M also: "g5b3732ceM-cargodist"
10:45:02 <Zuu> I guess that is the problem.
10:45:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: with 3t trucks (or horse wagons) it's more like 30 trucks...
10:45:22 <planetmaker> Zuu: did you by chance grab the wrong one? I set the wrong dl thing
10:45:41 <KenjiE20> pm; I got the same thing
10:45:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth: yeah... but then change that to reasonable amounts for game play balance purposes.
10:46:13 <fonsinchen> the problem is that the compile farm has built a "modified" version.
10:46:25 <fonsinchen> Rubidium, can that be fixed?
10:47:11 <Zuu> IIRC it is a one-liner change in the vbs-script.
10:47:33 <fonsinchen> do we have the same problem with other versions?
10:48:12 <Zuu> fonsinchen: Did you make any changes to the version scripts?
10:48:36 <KenjiE20> awesome; windows-win32-error.log is just full of grep.exe errors
10:48:41 <Zuu> Otherwise you might be at the situation that only the server is "modified", but I suggest that you test at least the linux binary and see.
10:49:18 <Zuu> fonsinchen: You're at linux right?
10:49:25 <fonsinchen> the server doesn't have the "M" in the version string. The win32 binary does
10:49:32 <fonsinchen> yes, but I have compiled mysel
10:49:54 <Zuu> Perhaps you could try the farm-binary and see what version it reports.
10:50:50 * planetmaker downloaded the source and will see what it reports on OSX then when compiled
10:51:32 <KenjiE20> checking revision... git detection <-- I wonder
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10:52:01 <fonsinchen> maybe we just change the server to also report "M"
10:52:15 <fonsinchen> the binaries are probably all "modified"
10:52:19 <planetmaker> we should compile the server from the source bundle
10:52:41 <planetmaker> then it's for sure the same thing
10:52:55 <fonsinchen> I wouldn't be too sure about that
10:53:01 <planetmaker> whereever the 'M' comes from. Or do you know what the 'M' indicates as modified?
10:53:04 <fonsinchen> we don't know where the M got inserted
10:53:19 <KenjiE20> when pm says source bundle, he means the linux-generic .tar.gz
10:53:49 <planetmaker> well. That'd be even easier, I guess. I meant building from -source.tar.bz2
10:53:52 <fonsinchen> I can easily make the server display the M by just changing on line in the source
10:54:03 <fonsinchen> I'll just do that now
10:54:18 <planetmaker> I consider that dangerous
10:54:32 <Zuu> M basically says that it is not plain trunk IIRC.
10:55:04 <fonsinchen> so, what shall we do? recompile everything?
10:55:26 <planetmaker> just use the version which is offered for download also on the server
10:55:33 <fonsinchen> basically the compile farm wrongly reports it has modified the source
10:55:36 <planetmaker> easiest proposal IMHO
10:55:42 <Zuu> The easiest would be to re-compile the server for now.
10:55:52 <fonsinchen> I cannot imagine that it did and if it did I wouldn't trust it to work, either.
10:56:31 <planetmaker> fonsinchen: I guess the repo from where it pulled is your working repo?
10:56:48 <planetmaker> Then it might just have those mods which you had (not yet commited).
10:57:25 <fonsinchen> The compile farm pulls from my public repository
10:57:55 <fonsinchen> by definition the code there is not modified wrt my published version of cargodist
10:58:33 <planetmaker> lovely. The source built reports as norev000
10:58:42 <KenjiE20> 11:51:38 KenjiE20 | checking revision... git detection <-- I wonder
10:59:08 <Zuu> I would guess that unless the version scripts support git it would be modified against SVN trunk
10:59:22 <Zuu> Eg, the same as I think KenjiE20 is trying to highlight.
10:59:46 <fonsinchen> but the "M" is appended to my git version
10:59:58 <Zuu> Pretty much any patch build would get an M.
11:00:06 <fonsinchen> BTW, we had the same problem in June last year
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11:00:15 <fonsinchen> I solved it in the same way and it worked
11:00:39 <Zuu> I don't see the problem. You have modified source code wrt. svn trunk and why do you not want the M then?
11:00:56 <fonsinchen> if the base version is my cargodist version (which it detects) then there is no patch on top of that
11:01:26 <fonsinchen> but, whatever, if the "modified" is just for "modified from trunk" then we can as well just add the "M" (which I have done)
11:01:53 <KenjiE20> I would guess that it seeing the .git stuff as trunk 'mods'
11:02:26 <Zuu> It was long time ago since I took a look at the version scripts. To get the "truth" you probably have to look into them and see what they actually does.
11:02:45 <fonsinchen> it doesn't matter anyway. The compile farm has hopefully built the git revision it tells us.
11:02:56 <fonsinchen> If it hasn't we have a serious problem.
11:03:34 <fonsinchen> But if it has it doesn't matter if there's an additional "M" in the version string, so we can as well just add it to our server.
11:03:50 <Zuu> fonsinchen: If you are in doubt you could diff the source tar ball against a check out from your respority.
11:04:18 <fonsinchen> I am actually not as I know the compile farm's git revision detection is broken
11:04:29 <fonsinchen> it did the exact same thing in June last year
11:07:52 <planetmaker> but didn't it work last summerß
11:13:14 <fonsinchen> It should work now. I have changed the server to also report itself as "modified"
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11:35:11 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: I have no idea where the M comes from and don't really have the time to hunt for that right now either
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11:50:57 <fonsinchen> It's OK, it works now
11:51:21 <fonsinchen> I'll keep a note ...
11:55:09 <andythenorth> having farms that produce seasonally....just too evil?
11:55:34 <Forked> very realistic though *hides from Belugas*
11:55:59 <andythenorth> also screws with your nice tidy network for three months of the year :)
11:56:18 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause is the alpine fan here :)
11:56:21 <Rubidium> andythenorth: as long as you introduce greenhouses that deliver all year round :)
11:56:36 <andythenorth> I am thinking grain primarily
11:56:44 <frosch123> when i played it i serviced farms so the train drives only once a year, i.e. loads during summer and delivers in winter :p
11:57:27 <andythenorth> the only reason I've not done it so far is that it can leave a train making no money....
11:57:43 <andythenorth> seasonal conditional orders? :o
12:00:45 <andythenorth> or Pikka-style variable running costs (low costs when not moving)
12:01:10 <andythenorth> or high payment rate for the cargo
12:01:45 <andythenorth> or flat payment decay curve so that trucks can deliver to the elevator for pickup by trains year-round
12:04:48 <ccfreak2k> andythenorth, or "available cargo" orders.
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12:25:32 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19521 /trunk/src/ (5 files): -Codechange: Use a IndustryType array to sort industries by name instead of a LegendAndColour array.
12:29:53 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19522 /trunk/src/industry_gui.cpp: -Feature: Sort industries alphabetically at the fund new industry window.
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13:07:58 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause is the alpine fan here :) <-- honestly, i never serviced such a farm...
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13:28:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i always end up having a passenger network, no matter how hard i try :)
13:30:25 <Rubidium> hmm, still 1500 0.6.3 downloads a week. Is the old AI that special?
13:34:29 <PeterT> whereas the new AIs are hard-to-beat?
13:36:30 <fjb> Don't know, but the old ai is still easier to beat. And some people complained about it being too hard.
13:36:57 <Eddi|zuHause> some people manage to get outperformed by the old ai :p
13:39:15 <planetmaker> Folks, re-joice :-) You can now download a new release of OpenGFX, version 0.2.2
13:40:11 <planetmaker> houses and maglev and monorail vehicles mostly
13:40:27 <planetmaker> but some other things and fixes, too.
13:40:38 <planetmaker> fjb: unfortunately not
13:41:35 <planetmaker> But I have that on my list of things I'd definitely like to see changed for 0.3
13:41:42 <planetmaker> But it needs an artist...
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15:09:45 <George> need help with strange behaviour of OTTS according to wagons (R19519)
15:10:02 <George> The following wagon does not appear in the list
15:10:11 <George> 407 * 71 00 00 1C 01 5C
15:10:42 <George> But as soon as I define power, it appears (but as train)
15:11:03 <frosch123> something with railtypes?
15:12:00 <George> Do I need to provide a GRF?
15:12:06 <frosch123> is any of its refit cargos available?
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15:14:19 <planetmaker> seriously... use a paste service...
15:14:37 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: terkhen * r19523 /trunk/src/smallmap_gui.cpp: -Fix: Prevent drawing industries disabled at the smallmap as land tiles when they are built on water.
15:14:59 <George> do you mean a need to define prop 28 anyway?
15:15:01 <frosch123> George: you neither set 1d nor 28
15:15:03 <Jolteon> lol how did he not get flood kicked.
15:15:17 <PeterT> I don't think #openttd has a FloodBot
15:15:30 <frosch123> maybe if a wagon is not able to carry anything it is not available. at least that is done for road vehicles
15:15:37 <PeterT> The only flood protection this channel has is +l 175
15:16:01 <Jolteon> Network services should have a flookick
15:16:21 <George> frosch123: Thank you, it helped
15:16:34 <Rubidium> Jolteon: unless the client sends out lines at a speed that does not flood trigger
15:16:37 <PeterT> /msg ChanServ HELP SET FloodServ
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15:29:22 <PeterT> Where are you using IRC from?
15:29:25 <TrueBrain> awwwhhh, that sucks SmatZ__!
15:29:26 <SmatZ__> the sounds it does are really scary
15:29:33 <SmatZ__> from different compter :)
15:29:38 <TrueBrain> you have backups I hope?
15:29:46 <SmatZ__> luckily I have backup from last week
15:30:47 <TrueBrain> SmatZ__: if needed, you can mos tlikely get it to work for very short bursts :)
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15:31:03 <SmatZ__> I turned on PC, and while KDE was starting, it started doing those sounds
15:31:32 <SmatZ__> I can read from sda1,2,3,5, but sda6,7,8 are not available
15:32:01 <SmatZ__> TrueBrain: I hope so :)
15:35:45 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: -- End of NFO Renum 'settings <- misses closing ' :p
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15:40:42 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: why has WT3 gone haywire because of cases again? (since r19519)
15:40:54 <TrueBrain> did it ever not? :)
15:41:24 <TrueBrain> but define 'haywire'?
15:42:29 <Rubidium> 2 pending strings that aren't pending
15:42:39 <TrueBrain> ah, if you define that as haywire .. sure
15:42:41 <Rubidium> i.e. 2 pending strings that aren't committed
15:42:45 <TrueBrain> I just call it a reoccouring bug
15:43:40 <TrueBrain> more happy this way?
15:44:08 <Rubidium> will it happen again?
15:44:15 <CIA-6> OpenTTD: rubidium * r19524 /extra/ottd_grf/split/ (openttd.nfo openttdgui.nfo shore.nfo): [OTTD_GRF] -Fix [FS#TB]: please our loyal "'" checker.
15:44:16 <TrueBrain> and again and again and again
15:45:42 <TrueBrain> it is a very rare bug, which is easy to repeat, but a bitch to fix; it only happens 1 out of the .. 500? strings WT3 commits, so ... not worth any real time ;)
15:46:06 <Rubidium> it seems to be related to cases
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16:05:48 <Ammler> oh, sac claims credits for swedish houses :-)
16:06:49 <planetmaker> I thought Irwe drew them?
16:08:13 <planetmaker> oh oh. I see another muddy fight surfacing
16:10:26 <Ammler> I would guess, irwe draw it like sac, but he did it self
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16:17:06 <andythenorth> not same, but similar
16:21:47 <planetmaker> same RL building, I guess
16:22:26 <planetmaker> looking at that: he drew it all himself.
16:23:26 <andythenorth> he's clearly taken inspiration for the windows, but that's no problem
16:24:20 <planetmaker> might be. But there's only so much you can do IMHO in order to get windows properly drawn.
16:24:31 <planetmaker> He might even not have seen that. Dunno :-)
16:24:40 <andythenorth> I do believe that one or two of us may have been 'inspired' by the work of Simon Foster anyway :o
16:25:24 <andythenorth> someone should pm Irwe and tell him not to worry...
16:26:13 <planetmaker> you're the art-man here :-)
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16:32:06 <Luffy-X-> i you speacks spanish?
16:33:28 <fjb> Hm, will INFRA or DBsetXL 0.9 be released first?
16:33:59 <planetmaker> I even offered her to code her houses. But she declined.
16:34:27 <frosch123> fjb: it's called simuscape now
16:34:32 <planetmaker> I mean... I have a house grf written. It just needs sprites.
16:35:02 <fjb> frosch123: I care for the name as much as for the set. :-)
16:35:54 <fjb> Irwe does a great job. And you can see that he paints his houses on his own. It is well documented in the thread.
16:37:25 <fjb> And SAC got things from other sets for her use. That will give her problems if she tries to release her set one day.
16:41:34 <fjb> The few things which are taken from INFRA can be redrawn. And some things look like the same even if drawn independently at that scale.
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16:44:47 <Jolteon> The model of IKEA she did is <3
16:45:08 <planetmaker> and unavailable till further notice ;-)
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17:10:37 <Ammler> well, as long as she claims credits only, it doesn't hurt, it is even a valid thing.
17:11:29 <Ammler> she could also be a bit rude and ask for removing her work...
17:12:14 <fjb> Irwe already gave credits in the readme.
17:29:30 <planetmaker> possibly the nicest looking house newgrf around :-)
17:31:23 <ccfreak2k> The lightpoles/flagpoles/whateverpoles are visually jarring, but other than that they're great.
17:31:30 <Eoin> i do wish everyone would agree to release graphics under one "license"
17:34:24 * planetmaker considers to "steal" Swedish houses and put them into OpenGFX as arctic versions
17:34:29 <Eoin> i think the only grfs i ever drew
17:34:37 <Eoin> one is in that british rail set
17:34:41 <Eoin> one was in the world plane set
17:39:25 <Terkhen> which order would be best for sorting cargos? I'm thinking about showing cargos with a passenger class first, then cargos with a mail class and all other cargos afterwards (each group sorted by name)
17:39:34 <Terkhen> or maybe just sorting by cargo name is simpler?
17:41:37 <frosch123> or sort them by the payment value on the left
17:43:24 <frosch123> but, i never looks at those graphs :)
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17:45:07 <Terkhen> that would be another feature, right now I want to make simpler to select cargo types
17:45:22 <Terkhen> the filter by cargo dropdown at the build vehicle window would use the same sorted list
17:45:50 <andythenorth> Terkhen: your png makes sense
17:46:02 <andythenorth> PAX, mail, others a-Z
17:46:19 <frosch123> and tourists? after pax or with the rest?
17:48:39 <Terkhen> before or after passengers, depending on the exact strings
17:49:53 <frosch123> ok, that would put the cargos i hardly ever transport at the top :)
17:52:20 <planetmaker> that looks nice :-)
17:52:56 <planetmaker> except: the y-axis scaling is poor
17:55:17 <Terkhen> as a side effect it removes special cargos from the graph too (regearing)
17:58:50 <andythenorth> how does it do that?
17:59:19 <Terkhen> all cargos with a special cargo class are ignored
18:08:17 <Alberth> fonsinchen: my debug output says: dbg: [misc] frozen not in linkstat list. don't know how long ago
18:09:32 <PeterT> fonsinchen: huge desync
18:09:34 <Alberth> planetmaker: y axis scaling was bad already :p
18:10:14 <planetmaker> Alberth, I know :-) I just wanted to bring it up as a small nudge ;-)
18:10:23 <frosch123> esp. because the y axis scaling is only caused by "It's a bit arbitrary, but it makes the cargo payment graph look a little * nicer (...)"
18:10:54 <Alberth> planetmaker: you're too late: FS#3726 :)
18:11:49 <planetmaker> frosch123, oh, that sounds... scary :-)
18:12:43 <frosch123> well, the problem seems to be that the graph cannot scale more than 1 unit per pixel, so if the highest payment is 150 and the window is 500 pixels high you get 350 unused pixels
18:14:06 <frosch123> btw. the graph gui is not scalable, so it is only your fault by adding so many cargos :p
18:14:46 <Rubidium> the screenshot of FS#3726 is kinda fishy
18:15:25 <frosch123> what's wrong with it?
18:15:34 <Rubidium> why is the amount of money 100,000 dollars on that date? It looks like he just started the game to make the screenshot, but then he should have 200,000 dollars (or 100,000 pounds)
18:15:56 <planetmaker> Rubidium, not with a custom $
18:16:09 <planetmaker> My "DM" are also the same number as pounds
18:20:18 <Alberth> we had some very nice graph some time back, with a black background iirc
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18:33:25 <Terkhen> I remember an ancient patch like that too, the graphs looked nice
18:33:54 <OwenS> Black background would be an awesome improvement
18:34:22 <Terkhen> coal would become invisible then
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18:39:22 <Terkhen> to what colour? it must be a colour that will never be used for any other cargos, to avoid confusions
18:40:44 <andythenorth> colours are defined by newgrf anyway
18:41:04 <andythenorth> the rest of the GUI is grey, leave it grey ;)
18:48:33 <SmatZ__> the HDD failed today was bought 11.07.2005
18:48:40 <SmatZ__> and it has 5 years warranty :)
18:48:49 <OwenS> SmatZ__: 5 years? Jeeze
18:48:55 <OwenS> My failed HD only had a 3 year warranty
18:49:55 <OwenS> 3 years is a good life for a HDD used as intensively as it was
18:52:16 <glx> SmatZ__: you're lucky it seems :)
19:05:21 <fonsinchen> petert, have you been disconnected by desync?
19:05:53 <planetmaker> fonsinchen, at 20:07:
19:05:57 <planetmaker> <Tycoon> *** alberth has left the game (connection lost)
19:05:57 <planetmaker> <Tycoon> *** BlueEagle_NL has left the game (desync error)
19:05:57 <planetmaker> <Tycoon> *** Fab has left the game (desync error)
19:05:57 <planetmaker> <Tycoon> *** Zuuu has left the game (desync error)
19:05:57 <planetmaker> <Tycoon> *** Kogut has left the game (desync error)
19:06:05 <planetmaker> you were even online...
19:06:19 <fonsinchen> I didn't notice it ...
19:06:40 <fonsinchen> does the server autosave?
19:06:41 <planetmaker> scroll up in the channel. Some were not, including you
19:10:10 <Rubidium> okay, now for something totally insane... do the ones that desync have a relatively slow computer and the ones that don't a relatively fast computer?
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19:11:38 <fonsinchen> I just was desynced myself. My computer is definitely not slow
19:13:15 <Rubidium> it's just a hypothesis that the thread is reading something it shouldn't read (anymore), or writing something it shouldn't write (yet)
19:13:42 <fonsinchen> The thread and the main games operate on completely separate data sets
19:13:47 <fonsinchen> that was never a problem
19:14:08 <fonsinchen> Last time the problem was that I had a > operation on pointers somewhere
19:14:10 <planetmaker> right now everyone desynced anyway
19:16:57 <Alberth> was the desync caused by me?
19:17:14 <fonsinchen> How should you cause it?
19:17:26 <planetmaker> Alberth, how could you?
19:17:30 <planetmaker> How dare you?! ;-)
19:17:34 <Alberth> I just closed the app
19:17:46 <Alberth> planetmaker: was it not a test-game? :p
19:18:10 <planetmaker> dev server implies test game. Kind of :-)
19:18:55 <Rubidium> Alberth: partly because you need at least an unpaused server for desyncs :)
19:19:17 <planetmaker> Alberth, so it was really you playing there, right? :-)
19:19:32 <planetmaker> I wondered as I seem to remember that alberth there saying he was a newbie ;-)
19:19:46 <Alberth> I am, never played a MP game
19:19:59 <planetmaker> good night, fonsinchen
19:20:27 <Alberth> and your rules URL was vanished before I could memorize it
19:20:54 <planetmaker> it's a dev server. The typcial coop rules don't apply
19:21:04 <planetmaker> just the common sense multiplayer rules
19:21:13 <planetmaker> "don't be evil" basically ;-)
19:21:58 <Alberth> next time I want to join a company with another player, and build some stuff together
19:22:16 <planetmaker> fonsinchen, did you download the savegames which you need? If the server continues to run, they might get overwritten after some time
19:22:45 <planetmaker> Alberth, that's in principle also possible on the dev server. At least that's what I do there, too :-)
19:22:50 <planetmaker> Building alone is boring ;-)
19:23:58 <Alberth> in that sense it was a bad game :(
19:25:18 <planetmaker> Well... :-) There are more coop-ish games around, even those which are not hardcore style #coop games
19:26:04 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I hope that you ran some logging, like when people connected and the commands that were executed so you can reproduce it :)
19:26:07 <planetmaker> My personal preference on our public server is a game like: one common ICE network and then small groups of people (or also single people) taking charge of a region
19:26:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium, it's an unpatched server... :-(
19:27:07 <PeterT> fonsinchen: No, I was not
19:27:28 <OwenS> planetmaker: That is also my favorite game mode
19:27:32 <PeterT> I was in the IRC chanenl though
19:27:42 <OwenS> planetmaker: Actually, that would be really interesting with cargodist
19:28:06 <Alberth> planetmaker: let's try something like that when we encounter each other in a MP game
19:28:18 <planetmaker> sure. I'd love to! :-)
19:28:23 <planetmaker> About Easter? :-)
19:28:28 <OwenS> Alberth: Or join the #openttdcoop main server some time? :P
19:28:44 <planetmaker> ^ Sometimes we run that there. Then I play :-)
19:28:45 <Rubidium> planetmaker: -d desync<something> IIRC, readme tells
19:28:49 <OwenS> (BTW, when you run ProgSigs on there, turning misc and sl debugging up to 10 will be essential)
19:29:20 <OwenS> (So, for progsigs, -dmisc10 -ddesync10 -dsl10)
19:29:40 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I'm actually quite sure it wasn't activated... but I didn't personally start the server
19:30:11 <Rubidium> OwenS: 9 is more than enough :)
19:30:28 <OwenS> Rubidium: No, progsigs actually spams some info at 10
19:30:38 <Rubidium> you added even more levels?
19:31:05 <OwenS> DEBUG(misc, 10, " Executing instruction %d, opcode %d", this->instruction->Id(), this->instruction->Opcode());
19:32:13 <OwenS> I think debug.h says 10 is the "maximum" though
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19:44:49 <George> Is it possible to make OTTD not to show reserved rail rtacks for trains?
19:45:09 <OwenS> George: its an option off by default
19:45:49 <George> It is on for me and I can't find where to make it off
19:46:09 <Eddi|zuHause> in interface section of advanced settings, probably
19:46:48 <George> Eddi|zuHause: But where exactly? I've looked there alredy, but did not find
19:48:36 <George> Thank you, missed it from the first look
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19:53:41 <Ammler> Alberth: your mine is gone :-)
19:55:31 <Alberth> probably yes, have been digging diamonds since the 30's :)
19:56:02 <Ammler> no transfer orders is quite confusing..
19:56:19 <Alberth> yes, that is one of the flaws imho
19:56:43 <Alberth> being a cargo-dist game, it should do that stuff by itself, I think
19:58:44 <Ammler> you mean, it shouldn't?
19:59:34 <Ammler> I desynced, else I would check :-)
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20:06:37 <Ammler> Alberth: you don't need to transfer, so in your example I removed the transfer
20:07:08 <Ammler> now around half will be dropped to the bank at the rail station, the other half transfered for the town with the rvs
20:07:10 <Alberth> oh, just force unloading is enough?
20:07:58 <Ammler> force unloading isn't needed, either
20:08:18 <Alberth> you built a bridge to the island?
20:08:39 <Alberth> hmm, need to do more testing then
20:10:23 <Alberth> ha, the town came to the other side :)
20:11:16 <Alberth> yeah, stupid. same with water towers I noticed.
20:11:48 <planetmaker> it keeps a cool head over all the money ;-)
20:13:05 <Ammler> such things are quite nice things of cargodist
20:14:00 <Ammler> but it should be a bit more manageable how much will get to the industry there, how much will be transfered
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20:21:14 <PeterT> is FS#3530 going to just sit and idle or is anyone going to do anything about it?
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20:24:02 <Alberth> euhm, does flyspray have such settings at all?
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20:24:13 <Alberth> ie are you not confused with tt-forumsn?
20:25:12 <planetmaker> Alberth, it does. I get the same error
20:25:26 <PeterT> Alberth: Obviously, why else would that task be there?
20:25:38 <Alberth> ah, just found them :)
20:26:04 <planetmaker> not that I looked at that page more than twice before, I think ;-)
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20:28:30 <Alberth> well, given that it is 3 months old, I guess it will not get fixed soon
20:29:08 <SmatZ__> is that openttd bug at all?
20:30:00 * Alberth thinks most bugs in FS are about openttd, not about FS
20:30:18 <planetmaker> It depends on the ?proj=
20:31:33 <planetmaker> Flyspray still has the category "Webtranslator 2"
20:31:59 <Alberth> we also lost the publication of FS changes in one of the IRC channels a time ago. I once asked about that, and got as answer that support for that was not available in the newer FS version. I think TB doesn't fancy digging around in the FS code too much.
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20:32:50 <Alberth> (at least, I think it is TB that set it up, but I am not sure about that)
20:33:08 <planetmaker> I recall Rb messing around with it... but who knows :-)
20:33:47 <PeterT> andythenorth: Nice HEQS trams
20:42:19 <Rubidium> planetmaker: messing with what?
20:42:53 <planetmaker> the statement was: you know it better than TB
20:43:04 <planetmaker> and no one wants to do it, yes :-)
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