IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2009-07-09
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00:38:28 <niblet> hey.. quick question; How do I develop newgrf? is there a howto anywhere?
00:39:34 <DaleStan> Read the New Graphics Specs on wiki.ttdpatch.net. Including the tutorial. Follow instructions.
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00:52:37 * DaleStan thinks you will find that my answer was not nearly as helpful as you had hoped. NFO is not known for being readily comprehensible.
00:53:09 <Sacro> DaleStan: not helpful, but accurate
00:53:28 <niblet> well it was what I was looking for
00:53:39 <niblet> at least I know what Im up against now :o
00:53:53 <niblet> wether or not to take it on is yet to be decided..
00:54:28 <niblet> all I want to do is add a bit more info in the town window
01:04:34 <niblet> so who's working on the NFO-editor and when is it expected to be ready? :p
01:06:28 <niblet> or tell me is this possible: I want to for instance add "goods last month" to the city window.. would that even be possible to do?
01:41:13 <Rubidium> noone, when it's done if ever, maybe if you extend the specs and implement that extension, yes
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01:42:19 <niblet> I was only joking about the nfo-editor :p
01:42:42 <niblet> so it could be done.. thats interesting. maybe I'll ask around on the forums later
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03:29:24 <SirSquidness> what is the first year in openttd in which you can build vehicles?
03:29:28 * SirSquidness wants to start from teh very start
03:29:43 <SirSquidness> year 1 wont even let me build depots
03:29:48 <SirSquidness> but they somehow have paved roads :p
03:30:04 <SirSquidness> and early 1900's architecture
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08:25:37 <rasco> SirSquidness: depends which climate
08:25:50 <rasco> SirSquidness: the first train comes 1925
08:25:59 <SirSquidness> I figured out my own question
08:26:06 <SirSquidness> 1700 is when the first horse carriages appear
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09:26:15 <DephNet[Paul]> SirSquidness, i would say it depends on the grf's you have
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09:39:14 <SirSquidness> DephNet[Paul]: true. only using vanilla though
09:39:43 <DephNet[Paul]> is there horse drawn carrages? didnt know that
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10:03:48 <petern> now, will that upset stevenh?
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11:25:29 <dragonhorseboy> any of you know whats going on when typing in server_ip in console gets you ''server_bind_ip' is an unknown setting.' instead?
11:27:32 <Noldo> you are typing wrong things
11:28:17 <Rubidium> more like some aliases that were forgotten to be removed
11:28:23 <dragonhorseboy> noldo..? it used to show the ip in earlier versions or did they change its meaning already
11:30:52 <petern> it used to show the ip you'd specified. now it doesn't.
11:31:48 <dragonhorseboy> rubidium thanks
11:33:01 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r16773 /trunk/src/console_cmds.cpp: -Fix (r16014): forgot to remove obsoleted aliases
11:33:39 <dragonhorseboy> well my server's up and showing in openttd.org/servers so i guess thats all I needed :p
11:39:44 <petern> Current value for 'server_bind_ip' is: '0.0.0.0'
11:39:56 <petern> ^ i don't think it did what you thought
11:45:32 <dragonhorseboy> same error message when i typed server_bind_ip in .. maybe its just something that happened between 0.7.x and IS builds
11:45:55 <petern> you could try reading what Rubidium said
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12:09:24 <dihedral> mv ./forum-users #openttd !!
12:20:34 <Eddi|zuHause> petern: have you ever considered letting the grf specify catenary and pylon positions via newgrf callback, and a varaction2 being able to check the 4 adjacent tiles?
12:22:17 <Eddi|zuHause> basically moving the stuff that elrail.cpp currently does into the grf
12:22:54 <TrueBrain> does that problem still exist?
12:24:34 <dragonhorseboy> truebrain...? I don't see any
12:25:08 <TrueBrain> dragonhorseboy: and that is why you are not called petern I guess
12:25:50 <dragonhorseboy> well I've been using both sites on occassion for a few months
12:29:29 <Belugas> howdie, hello coucou and good day!
12:29:51 <dragonhorseboy> just what is that? :P
12:31:39 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r16774 /extra/website/ (30 files in 6 dirs): [Website] -Remove: remove the long gone website
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12:35:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r16775 /extra/website/ (109 files in 14 dirs): [Website] -Add: new website on which openttd.org is running for a while now. It is Django (Python) based
12:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> dragonhorseboy: "coucou" is the sound that the bird that is named after the sound makes
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12:44:45 <Eddi|zuHause> Prof_Frink: maybe he is speaking french ;)
12:46:09 <dragonhorseboy> merci prof_frink????
12:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not apply to quotes
12:46:21 * TrueBrain makes a dance .. finally the website in SVN :)
12:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the bird says "Kuckuck" in german
12:46:43 <dragonhorseboy> cook a dee doo
12:46:43 <TrueBrain> just 2000 lines .. WT3 is bigger :p
12:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> which may or may not be related to the word "kucken" (or "gucken") for "looking"
12:50:49 <petern> TrueBrain, seems to be working for me at the moment
12:51:38 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, no, i haven't
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13:22:11 <Eddi|zuHause> yay... i just found money...
13:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> about 300 forint, 10 kuna and 70 schilling...
13:23:13 <Rubidium> value after exchanging... negative
13:23:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, the bank fee probably exceeds the value :p
13:23:53 <Eddi|zuHause> there are some more schilling in coins
13:24:43 <Eddi|zuHause> but banks are unlikely to exchange coins, especially of long obsolete currencies
13:25:19 <Eddi|zuHause> so i'd probably have to go to austria, if i could get it exchanged at all...
13:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> so these are 119,70 Schilling
13:33:20 <Eddi|zuHause> value something about 8 euro...
13:35:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you know what... i just put it back, and i'll find it in another 10 years with the same "yay, i found money"
13:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> hey... every bank would laugh at me if i showed up with 10 euro worth of foreign currency :p
13:37:05 <TrueBrain> I even laugh at you :p
13:37:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, but i don't care about that :p
13:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> every response that i could give now would get me kicked :p
13:38:51 <SirSquidness> except that one ^
13:39:03 <SirSquidness> that response doesn't appear to have bought upon it's creator a kicking.
13:39:19 <TrueBrain> @kick SirSquidness but yours on the other hand .....
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13:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, SirSquidness < 3
13:40:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (years in mental age)
13:43:10 <TrueBrain> in theory, the website should now be ready to be translated to various of languages
13:43:16 <TrueBrain> no idea if it is true :p
13:44:57 <SirSquidness> blast, Eddi|zuHause is on to me >.>
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13:53:25 <Belugas> youhou... joy and pleasure.... please, change this app as a service. thanks. Can i expect it by the end of the day?
13:53:31 <Belugas> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHH!
13:54:06 <Rubidium> Belugas: ofcourse he can expect it by the end of the day
13:54:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Belugas: are there actually any cuckoos on the american continent?
13:54:38 <Rubidium> though it won't become reality, but that's due to his wrong expectations
13:57:16 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, let say that i'
13:57:23 <Belugas> ll become one pretty soon...
13:57:44 <Eddi|zuHause> laying your eggs in another bird's nest?
13:58:04 <Belugas> Rubidium, that is my fault... i always do miracles (kinda) so they expect i keep on doing it as "normality"
14:02:06 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that is indeed your fault .. something you should have learnt long ago :p
14:04:13 <Belugas> so... i guess it's time forv a little reality check for them
14:04:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you haven't listened to mr scott's lesson: always give a much bigger estimate
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14:12:29 <Belugas> they know how to go around that, Eddi|zuHause. "Give me exact estimate on paper with the hours"
14:12:42 <Belugas> Kirk never asked that from Scottie ;P
14:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "it takes four weeks" - "i give you four hours" - "ok, i'll do it in two"
14:13:37 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: like estimate * pi^2, right?
14:14:14 <Eddi|zuHause> we say "pi mal daumen" (pi times thumb) when we do estimates ;)
14:15:00 <Rubidium> them I've got 'pi daum' ;)
14:25:10 <petern> hmm, our mixer seems wrong
14:25:47 <petern> oh no, it's scaled, never mind :)
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14:41:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r16776 /extra/website/general/utils/binaries.py: [Website] -Fix: sort the download files correctly (Python hashes don't carry insert sort, but are sorted on their hash value (which is a black box))
14:43:22 <Chruker> whut, no poem with that commit?
14:44:32 <Eddi|zuHause> and a special huge commit
14:44:53 <TrueBrain> who would have guessed it would leave such impression :p
14:45:02 <Eddi|zuHause> only to one person :p
14:45:09 <TrueBrain> I count 3 by my math
14:46:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i only remember it because someone mentioned it a few days ago
14:46:21 <TrueBrain> even I don't remember what you are talking about :p
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14:53:21 <Eddi|zuHause> he only thinks the poem is special because he hasn't seen the "hidden features" commits yet ;)
15:05:09 <welshdragon> can you only have 1 dock per city?
15:05:36 <welshdragon> oh, wait, not per city
15:21:19 <Belugas> REQ is not the same interop
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16:09:39 <frosch123> dihedral: are you volunteering to become a European translator?
16:09:55 <dihedral> yeah - i noticed that too :-D
16:14:46 <frosch123> take a look at his signature
16:15:40 <petern> dihedral, write me a cheque and sign it, eh?
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16:16:01 <dihedral> why the hell would i do that petern?
16:16:16 <petern> so i can see your signature
16:18:27 <Belugas> and we're good at dealing with signatures..
16:36:47 <Eddi|zuHause> my freezing problem could be related to a broken usb port...
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17:09:55 <NeO_Anderson> hello dudes, how can I get "Goals" onto the server? so that for example, if players reach 100million they win? and game restarts or something?
17:10:47 <Eddi|zuHause> must be done with a patch... i have seen servers that do that, but never have seen an actual patch for it
17:10:51 <Belugas> you have to have a server that has been modified for that purpose
17:12:55 <NeO_Anderson> have you heard of this python bot?
17:13:12 <NeO_Anderson> its supposidly a bot for openttd
17:13:15 <planetmaker> straight from the future.
17:13:16 <Eddi|zuHause> no, he means babyottd ;)
17:13:18 <NeO_Anderson> but im unsure as to what its purpose is....
17:13:34 <NeO_Anderson> openttd-python its called
17:13:45 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson, ask yorick about it
17:13:47 <NeO_Anderson> what does it do? lol
17:14:25 <Belugas> a shame... hihihihihih
17:14:29 <Eddi|zuHause> you want to tour to Hanoi?
17:14:34 <NeO_Anderson> because I figured if anyones gonner know anything about it, would be someone in the #openttd lobby
17:14:39 <planetmaker> I want the towers of Hanoi
17:14:59 <TrueBrain> if it doesn't have a website, it is not worth using
17:15:16 <NeO_Anderson> it semi-does lol
17:15:29 <NeO_Anderson> am I allowed to post links?
17:15:31 <Eddi|zuHause> some monks are doing the towers of hanoi with 64 pieces... it is said when they are done, the world is going to end
17:15:32 <TrueBrain> and if it has a website, the question is silly
17:15:47 <NeO_Anderson> it semi-has a website
17:15:51 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: if those 64 pieces are intact?
17:16:02 <NeO_Anderson> it's not a full blown "I offer this" "Heres how you install it" site...
17:16:14 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: what?
17:16:14 <NeO_Anderson> all it does is offer the code in individual files
17:16:17 <NeO_Anderson> and thats well.... it..
17:16:26 <TrueBrain> [19:15] <Eddi|zuHause> some monks are doing the towers of hanoi with 64 pieces... it is said when they are done, the world is going to end
17:16:38 <petern> haha, low latency openttd audio :D
17:16:40 <TrueBrain> I wonder if those 64 pieces should remain intact when they reach the destination
17:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i still don't understand what you are trying to say
17:17:10 <planetmaker> NeO_Anderson, sure you may post links. If on-topic ;)
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17:17:39 <TrueBrain> pieces need to be in one piece
17:17:57 <TrueBrain> my english bad today
17:18:20 <petern> (also, mixed at 96kHz)
17:18:39 <planetmaker> hello early Owl ;)
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17:24:03 <TrueBrain> bah, the package I ordered in Germany 3 days ago is still not on transport :'(
17:25:24 <frosch123> your ordered online? then - of course - your order first needs checking by the ministry of interior
17:25:47 <planetmaker> frosch123, even worse. _He_ has to be checked by them.
17:26:15 <planetmaker> If it's fertilizer he might be a terrorist in disguise :P
17:26:39 <TrueBrain> it is a surround system, I dunno if you can do any terrorist acts with that :p
17:26:46 <TrueBrain> maybe if you make the subwoofer go below 20Hz
17:26:52 <TrueBrain> you can kill a few people with that I guess ...
17:27:20 <planetmaker> definitely. The horns(?) of Jericho
17:27:33 <planetmaker> It's a siege weapon, I believe
17:29:10 <frosch123> maybe, if you put it in the basement of a skyscraper, you can damage the foundation and make it collapse
17:29:26 <TrueBrain> THAT is what they did with the WTC ...
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17:30:05 <frosch123> yeah, they played breakbeat in the basement for 10 years
17:30:15 <TrueBrain> # I don't want to break these chains
17:30:39 <TrueBrain> @mode +b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk
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17:30:48 <TrueBrain> too many hit and runs over the last day ....
17:31:49 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: they could as well been some kind of cannon...
17:31:58 * SpComb listens to some breakbeat
17:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> even if it was 7000 years ago...
17:32:16 <TrueBrain> the earth only exists for 6000 years
17:32:29 <TrueBrain> didn't you pay attention in your bible class?
17:32:47 <TrueBrain> I remember the week before last, so no, not 7 days
17:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, "years" in the bible often refer to "moon-years" (i.e. months)
17:32:58 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: NO! FALSE!
17:33:04 <TrueBrain> the earth exists for no more than 6000 years!
17:33:09 <TrueBrain> AND I DO NOT WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT IT
17:33:24 <TrueBrain> (sorry, it always makes me laugh, the sillyness of people with their idea of time)
17:33:30 <petern> hm, i don't understand MAX_VOLUME :s
17:33:35 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: no, your knowledge of the last few days has been planted by GOD
17:33:43 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ah, of course, my mistake
17:33:48 <TrueBrain> then why would I exist more than 1 minute?
17:34:10 <TrueBrain> in fact, did I exist at all, a few nanoseconds ago?
17:34:13 <frosch123> who cares since when the earth exists? ttd exists only for 15 years
17:34:16 <TrueBrain> and will I believe alive in the few to come?
17:34:25 <TrueBrain> frosch123: haha! Very good point :)
17:34:32 <petern> -16384 to 16384 is... 15 bit audio?
17:34:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and also... the creationist "seven days" were seven god-days... how dare they assume that one god-day equals one man-day?
17:34:58 <TrueBrain> -16384 to 16384? That doesn't make sense in any bit-value
17:35:09 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: I couldn't agree more :)
17:35:11 <Eddi|zuHause> for all we know, god went to rest on the seventh day
17:35:14 <petern> yeah, i know, 15 bit + 1; p
17:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> who said that day is already over for him?
17:35:42 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: and in fact .. who cares? Does it change anything?
17:36:07 <petern> if you're doing 16 bit audio, you want -32768 to 32767, no?
17:36:17 <TrueBrain> why is Evolution Theory incompatible with The Bible?
17:36:26 <TrueBrain> petern: sane people
17:36:29 <petern> (or, i supposes -32767, just to make it even)
17:36:36 <petern> TrueBrain, openttd is not sane then :s
17:37:06 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: it is not... it is incompatible with some interpretation of the seventh (mis-)translation of the bible
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17:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause> from gods point of view, the whole evolution could have been one day
17:40:19 <TrueBrain> and again .. who cares :) Not that it changes anything ....
17:44:24 <Belugas> funny how people are quick to decide what God(s) think... or did
17:44:52 <TrueBrain> Belugas: what always scares me the most is how quick people truly believe that what they think is what God thinks ...
17:44:58 <TrueBrain> what an argogants :(
17:46:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r16777 /trunk/src/lang/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
17:46:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:46:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 65 changes by arnaullv
17:46:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 4 changes by ww9980
17:46:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: finnish - 2 changes by jpx_
17:46:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 65 changes by Roujin
17:46:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: icelandic - 4 changes by baldur
17:47:19 <Belugas> mmh... which reminds me i still don't remember my wt3 password...
17:47:40 <TrueBrain> not so smart of you
17:47:55 <Ammler> hehe, you aren't the first, who forgot that ;-)
17:48:15 <TrueBrain> Ammler: no, you shared your password
17:48:17 <TrueBrain> and someone changed it
17:48:21 <TrueBrain> that is a completely different story
17:48:23 <TrueBrain> and much more stupid
17:48:44 <Ammler> well, sharing yes, but nobody changed it.
17:48:47 <Belugas> my password was a logical one, that i remember
17:48:58 <TrueBrain> Ammler: sure, you all decided to forget it ...
17:48:58 <Belugas> must have wrote it in a hurry, as always...
17:49:26 <TrueBrain> Belugas: try the name of your kid
17:51:19 <frosch123> your wife, your guitar, your amplifier, your boss?
17:52:12 <Eddi|zuHause> the beauty of trying to have a different password on 300 different sites ;))
17:52:27 <DorpsGek> Sacro: Bjarni was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 5 days, 18 hours, 16 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <Bjarni> eventually
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17:52:42 <TrueBrain> Sacro: that is fixable
17:52:47 <TrueBrain> This reminds me ....
17:52:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the master of famous-last words :)
17:53:59 <DorpsGek> frosch123: celestar was last seen in #openttd 11 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <Celestar> morning
17:54:07 <Eddi|zuHause> (that is the me-trying-to-evade-hugs-smilie)
17:55:18 <Belugas> TrueBrain, useless. when you'll have ther time (or an excess of boredom), can you zap my account?
17:55:36 <TrueBrain> Belugas: that is kind of the problem ... I can't really do much for you :p
17:55:43 <TrueBrain> besides putting another passwords has over it ... :p
17:57:19 <TrueBrain> changed password of my account, copied the sha1 hash, put that in your account, changed my password back
17:57:22 <TrueBrain> I guess that should work :p
17:59:37 <frosch123> what is it? "iwillneveragainforgetmypassword" ?
18:01:14 <TrueBrain> frosch123stinkswhenyouarewalkingtooclosetohim
18:01:16 <TrueBrain> but it was too long
18:01:59 <petern> right, 16384*128 for scaling works
18:02:06 <petern> instead of 65536*256, which is blatantly wrong
18:46:36 <TrueBrain> Canada is cut off from the Internet now I guess
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18:52:17 <TrueBrain> welcome back Belugas :)
18:52:22 <TrueBrain> we ALMOST missed you :p
18:52:50 <frosch123> be careful, he might got replaced by aliens
18:52:59 <TrueBrain> that is a chance we have to take :p
18:53:16 <Belugas> the fairie electricy smashed me :S
18:53:33 <TrueBrain> don't put knifes in a socket ...
18:53:37 <TrueBrain> it can never be a good thing ...
18:54:14 <Belugas> i was just reading some code!
18:54:25 <TrueBrain> I don't believe you
18:56:46 <Belugas> i found out that the reason the customer had a bug is that he put the sku of a non listed marker in the field reserved for special orders, which he does not use
18:57:06 <Belugas> a feature I added 6 releases after the one he received
18:57:31 <Belugas> feature is: do not allow direct nonlisted prod scanning in entry bar
18:57:45 <TrueBrain> I have read a lot of greek in my life, but this is really greek to me
18:58:14 <Belugas> you're not a POS guy, and you're not in my shoes ;)
18:58:40 <TrueBrain> but I am happy for you you found that problem ;)
18:59:34 <frosch123> a problem which he fixed six years ago?
18:59:54 <frosch123> that is no fun finding
19:00:46 <Belugas> well... contrary to OTTD, our rate of releases is quite high ;)
19:00:54 <Belugas> was about 9 months ago :)
19:02:44 <TrueBrain> I just opened a candy, and the inner seal was broken
19:02:48 <TrueBrain> and it looked very ...
19:02:54 <TrueBrain> going to bring that back tomorrow :s
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19:41:41 <petern> libsamplerate on highest quality
19:41:46 <petern> needs, er, caching really :p
19:42:21 <petern> nice lovely smooth output though
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19:53:03 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16778 /trunk/src/ (window.cpp window_gui.h): -Codechange: Split window initialization in a data part and a size/position part.
19:57:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16779 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix: Take real smallest size of nested widgets into account for initial window position.
19:59:08 <Belugas> why is it that the song you want to hear, suddenly, is never on the collection you pop in???
19:59:42 <TrueBrain> Belugas: Murphies law?
20:14:16 <nicfer> hmmm... most buses in newgrfs have max speeds up to 200kmh or more, but they never reach that point because of curves
20:14:40 <petern> you try going round 90° bend at 200km/h
20:15:20 <Nite_Owl> what newgrfs are you looking at
20:15:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ever tried speeding through a cloverleaf? :p
20:15:43 <nicfer> well, it also forces you use strategies
20:16:39 <nicfer> build highways with the least amount of curves and send there the faster buses
20:16:58 <Nite_Owl> I have seen 75 MPH for long distance coaches but nothing as fast as 200 KPH
20:17:02 <nicfer> for interurban transport, send the slower, higher capacity ones
20:17:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: not personnaly, but the result usually is the same... it makes the clover leaf, but massive damage due to using the guard rail or it doesn't make it and ends up ON the guard rail or it doesn't make it and ends up 'molded' around a tree or in a ditch
20:17:22 <Eddi|zuHause> speed limit for busses is 120km/h here
20:18:00 <nicfer> well, in game there's no 'reality', but I'm not going anywhere ahead
20:18:15 <nicfer> here max speed of buses is 90kmh
20:18:30 <petern> Nite_Owl, lv4 has fast buses
20:18:35 <nicfer> in highways and routes
20:19:01 <nicfer> in city, 60kmh for avenues and 40kmh for smaller roads
20:19:10 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: there's one problem with that limit... a car with caravan may only do 100 (if 'approved') so when a bus is overtaking another bus you can't use the draft of them to economically make your trip through Germany
20:19:51 <nicfer> also, in highways the max speed for cars varies between 110 to 130kmh
20:20:01 * Eddi|zuHause thinks of clever remark about dutch person with caravan
20:20:33 <TrueBrain> when were we ontopic?
20:20:48 <Eddi|zuHause> the topic is what is actually being talked about
20:20:49 <Rubidium> going from 90 km/h to 110 km/h when releasing the throttle on a flat road just because a bus is overtaking another one
20:23:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r16780 /trunk/src/ai/ai_gui.cpp: -Add [FS#3015]: Allow the AI Debug Window to become sticky.
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20:23:44 <Eddi|zuHause> <TrueBrain> I know a few <-- it's a cliché for a reason ;)
20:24:06 <TrueBrain> @mode -b ~andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk
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20:24:09 <TrueBrain> Eddi|zuHause: really? :P
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20:50:41 <Eddi|zuHause> why does Belugas' night always start way before any european's night in here? :p
20:51:44 <TrueBrain> because he is CRAZY
20:51:49 <TrueBrain> I AM TELLING YOU! CRAZY!!
20:52:12 <Noldo> almost midnight is night enough for me
20:52:57 <Noldo> and I do consider myself european eventhough me were under heavy soviet influency until 1995
20:53:21 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, he had a wife & kid
20:53:37 <petern> Eddi|zuHause, therefore, after work is... not his own time
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21:56:13 <TrueBrain> Ammler: only the opntitle.dat begin position .. doesn't mean much :p
21:56:34 <TrueBrain> I have to say... never expected to see it anywhere NEAR finished :p
21:57:01 <Rubidium> I suggest that you make the changelog's formatting somewhat uniform
21:57:30 <Ammler> well, at least the temperate and arctic is done for first beta, foobar will release alpha5 tonight
21:57:43 <dihedral> and monorail still looks ugly :-D
21:57:59 <Ammler> no, they are plain awesome
21:58:27 <TrueBrain> I have to go with awesome too
21:58:30 <Ammler> well, you might have blaubus grf in mind.
21:58:41 <TrueBrain> maglev on the other hand ...
21:58:49 <TrueBrain> I expected true maglev .. in other words: ABOVE ground
21:59:10 <Ammler> maybe I have something misscoded, but Born Acorn made nice sprites.
21:59:23 <TrueBrain> maglev 45 degree looks ugly
21:59:24 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what is "true" maglev?
21:59:32 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: well .. 'real life' maglev
21:59:37 <Rubidium> I'm aware of at least 2 ways
21:59:46 <TrueBrain> both German as Japan has it above ground on pilars
22:00:02 <dihedral> i was confusing monorail and maglev
22:00:06 <dihedral> maglev looks ugly :-D
22:00:12 <TrueBrain> on that I agree dihedral
22:00:17 <TrueBrain> well .. as ugly as the real game :p
22:01:35 <dihedral> maglev looks square ^^
22:02:06 <Ammler> you both mean the tracks, I guess?
22:02:20 <Ammler> well, there also the drawer agrees
22:02:50 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: that you see them in Japan only on pilars doesn't say much about whether it is pilar based or not; lots and lots of Shinkansen track are elevated too, primarily because it goes through very hilly areas, thus tunnel-bridge-tunnel-bridge-...
22:03:20 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: even so; they both are with the idea the train itself is linked over a rail
22:04:29 <Rubidium> the German one 'grabs' around the train, the Japanese one has a U shaped track with the train running inside the 'U'
22:05:29 <Rubidium> that's the 'Germany' system
22:05:35 <Rubidium> i.e. it grabs the track
22:05:46 <TrueBrain> to be more exact ;)
22:07:09 <TrueBrain> hmm, thought they left that behind
22:07:18 <TrueBrain> it still amazes me it is in a game from 1995 ... ;)
22:09:03 <TrueBrain> I tihnk we should do that too yes
22:10:04 <KenjiE20> <TrueBrain> it still amazes me it is in a game from 1995 ... ;) <-- well, they Have been running test cars on it since the 70's :)
22:10:19 <TrueBrain> he just got the introduction date wrong
22:10:56 <Rubidium> what intro date wasn't wrong?
22:11:01 <TrueBrain> if I would have a big CD collection, what digital format would you advise which preserves the quality as good as possible?
22:11:18 <Tefad> FLAC is pretty universal however
22:11:36 * KenjiE20 uses ogg or flac, depending how much I care at the time :P
22:11:39 <TrueBrain> Ammler: much better ;)
22:11:54 <Ammler> yeah, but what with the signals?
22:11:57 * Tefad reminds KenjiE20 that Ogg is a container format. Vorbis is Xiph's lossy audio codec.
22:11:57 <TrueBrain> what if I tell you guys I don't know flac? :p
22:12:13 <Rubidium> encoding them in some manner lossless and get that integrated in the Linux kernel's git repository; instant free distributed backup
22:12:25 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: OpenTTD good enough too?
22:12:32 <TrueBrain> the release size would grow .. say .. 20 GB?
22:12:41 <Rubidium> not enough people use it
22:12:52 <Tefad> or uh what's that otherone
22:13:00 <TrueBrain> I always used CDEX in my life :p
22:13:07 <TrueBrain> but I am on linux nowedays
22:13:39 <Tefad> ah EAC is the other one
22:14:21 <Tefad> if you really want to back up a cd to your fullest ability, you should make sure you offsets are configured
22:14:25 <TrueBrain> FLAC average compression rate is 47% ..
22:14:31 <TrueBrain> wonder if I could not just keep the WAV :p
22:14:39 <Tefad> you can't tag wav files
22:14:47 <KenjiE20> if you REALLY want to back up a CD to it's fullest, make an ISO :P
22:14:54 <TrueBrain> I don't want to make backups
22:15:01 <TrueBrain> I dislike putting CDs in a stereo over and over
22:15:11 <TrueBrain> so it really is playback only
22:15:15 <TrueBrain> the CDs are the backups :p
22:15:25 <Tefad> to future-proof transoding in the future, use flac
22:15:37 <TrueBrain> flac seems very reasonable yes
22:15:49 <Tefad> for example, what if MP3 support goes out in favor of say.. AAC
22:15:57 <TrueBrain> I am so annoyed by the quality when I download an album (too lazy to rip, or even buy a CD)
22:15:57 <Rubidium> what? mplayer can't play isos?
22:16:09 <Tefad> you can't make an ISO of an audio CD
22:16:16 <Tefad> audio has no file system
22:16:16 <TrueBrain> I wonder .. are there 5.1 (DTS, DD) records of normal music albums?
22:16:35 <TrueBrain> I am not thinking anything :p
22:16:45 <TrueBrain> Tefad: CDs are just the medium, I don't care :p
22:16:47 <KenjiE20> Pink Floyd's Pulse probably had one
22:16:56 <TrueBrain> I just wonder if I should consider that
22:17:06 <Tefad> well CDDA is a wonky medium ; )
22:17:21 <Tefad> the bits just sit there on the disk with a TOC
22:17:32 <TrueBrain> first real use of the CD :)
22:17:39 <TrueBrain> took a while for the industry to adept and see the potential
22:17:49 <Tefad> real file systems make more sense these days
22:17:51 <TrueBrain> but by then ... CDDA were widely used
22:18:11 <TrueBrain> I remember my first double (!) speed CD-Rom player
22:18:13 <Tefad> also these days we often lossily encode the contents
22:18:21 <TrueBrain> it was almost a year after I had my first CD Audio Player :p
22:18:23 <Tefad> my first computer had a 2X CD-ROM
22:18:30 <Tefad> it was my first CD audio player
22:18:45 <TrueBrain> either way, KenjiE20, you named one ... are there any more?
22:18:50 <Tefad> those drives did not support digital reading.. only analog out
22:18:55 <TrueBrain> or is DTS/DD in music just something that would never really happen? :)
22:19:22 <Tefad> my last CD purchase was a hybrid disc
22:19:38 <Tefad> non-conforming CDDA (polymer was too thin) and had DVD on the flipside
22:19:45 <KenjiE20> I presume anything that has a new fangled concert DVD may have a DVDA counterpart
22:19:49 <Tefad> which contained AC3 encoded stuff and some videos
22:20:14 <Tefad> actually i've seen those
22:20:22 <TrueBrain> DVD-A made them obselete
22:20:36 <Tefad> DTS-CD was a horrible idea ; )
22:21:45 <TrueBrain> basicly, I want to put my (mostly illegal) music collection in hard legal versions .. I wonder where to look for ;)
22:22:09 <TrueBrain> (and the 'hard' part refers to: no iTunes shit or any other (past) DRM enabled online store)
22:23:10 <Ammler> how can a music collection be illegal?
22:23:25 <KenjiE20> Music Search for "DVD-Audio" at amazon yields 10,891 results
22:23:38 <TrueBrain> Ammler: well, in my country it is legal for now, as I only downloaded it
22:23:44 <TrueBrain> but still .. you know what I mean ;)
22:23:50 <TrueBrain> KenjiE20: wow .. that is a bunch more then I expected
22:24:36 <TrueBrain> I guess FLAC can't store that? :p
22:27:40 <TrueBrain> I guess for DVD-A making it a .iso is the best way to go :p
22:29:30 <TrueBrain> k, tnx Tefad and KenjiE20
22:30:31 <TrueBrain> now a decent music player ..... :p
22:30:39 <TrueBrain> one where my media keys work ...
22:41:01 <TrueBrain> _Muddy: briliant domain
22:41:06 <KenjiE20> did you pick a player?
22:41:15 <dihedral> that IS a nice domain :-P
22:42:05 <dihedral> he has a nice website too
22:42:16 <KenjiE20> imo mpd and amarok are probably the nicer ones (mpd simply being a daemon with multiple frontends)
22:42:26 <TrueBrain> I used mpd for ages
22:42:33 <TrueBrain> but on big collections it tends to be unmanagable
22:42:38 <TrueBrain> using Songbird now, but it sucks
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22:42:56 <KenjiE20> still as bad as 0.3 or whatever from a while back?
22:43:05 <TrueBrain> it is like itunes now
22:43:08 <TrueBrain> but iTunes sucks too
22:43:24 <TrueBrain> I want something like foobar for linux I guess :p
22:43:50 <TrueBrain> I wonder if FLAC works on my ipod ..
22:44:04 <KenjiE20> amarok was good, haven't tried amarok2 though
22:44:52 <TrueBrain> and rockbox doesn't work on my ipod nano :(
22:46:43 <TrueBrain> oeh, it does, I have a 1st gen :) Cool :p
22:49:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought CDs store basically the WAV data
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22:51:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i use amarok 1.4
22:52:18 <Eddi|zuHause> but 10.000 songs are probably not considered a big collection nowadays
22:53:34 <Eddi|zuHause> something always keeps me from switching to kde4 apps
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