IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-10-31
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00:16:37 <Char> the flat bed wagon i need for transporting vehicles around
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09:17:15 * Celestar hates stupid auto-reply systems.
09:17:25 <Celestar> Dear Mr./Mrs./Miss Victor Fischer
09:17:33 <Celestar> is it so hard to find the correct term
09:22:46 <Doorslammer> Miss Victor, now that is classy
09:25:26 <Celestar> why do people suck that badly? :P
09:27:21 <keyweed_> it has to do with evolution i think.
09:33:34 <keyweed_> yeah. i was just reading about her 'drill, baby, drill' speach at solar power plant.
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09:45:56 <Celestar> she's a tad ... weird ...
09:47:15 <keyweed_> we have special programs in the netherlands to help people like Palin
09:49:58 <Doorslammer> Sesame Street would be a good one :P
09:53:09 <Doorslammer> What version of Paint Shop Pro are we up to now?
09:53:48 <Celestar> what is Paint Shop Pro?
09:55:23 <Rubidium> another paid gimp clone ;)
09:55:39 <Doorslammer> Hah, paid, not likely for me
09:55:50 <Doorslammer> Just wanted to know what number they got up to
09:56:19 <Doorslammer> Found a three copy of it in a bin, only downside is that it's PSP 5 :S
09:57:21 <Celestar> I think gimp is quite decent meanwhile tbh
09:57:22 <Doorslammer> No wonder its in a charity bin :P
09:59:02 <Doorslammer> I actually thought it was a FrontPage CD, but I didnt look at the CD inside, doid I? :(
10:00:01 <Doorslammer> Doid has too many o's
10:01:35 <Celestar> the NCAP (the instutute that runs the car crash tests and similar stuff in Europe) has found that the focus should shit from mitigating the consequences of a crash to preventing crashes in the first place.
10:01:55 <Celestar> Maybe we should award them the nobel prize for that conclusion, it's really a breakthrough ..
10:20:00 <Celestar> our "facility management" just send me a bill for my private faxes in Q1 2008: They want me to wire 6 cents
10:20:17 <Celestar> I'm not even sure my banking system allows that little sums
10:23:26 <keyweed_> stop building railroad crossing for cars. no more crashes.
10:28:31 <Celestar> getting these 6 cents to my employee took 2 minutes
10:28:49 <Celestar> considering I'm a cheap worker for about 30 EUR/hour, 2 minutes are worth pretty much one EUR.
10:29:07 <Celestar> so they've wasted 1 EUR in workforce to obtain 6 cents for a single private fax.
10:29:33 <Celestar> (not counting the administrative time taken)
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10:57:52 <Kloopy_> When I moved house last time, my gas supplier wanted me to pay the remaining bill for my gas supply.
10:58:09 <Kloopy_> I didn't pay straight away so they sent a second letter reminding me about the payment required.
10:58:23 <Kloopy_> Those two letters, bits of paper etc would have cost way more than 4p.
10:58:43 <Kloopy_> Their company would be better off if they just wrote off the 4p.
10:59:01 <Celestar> or one of the bean counters looked into their wallets for 4c
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11:00:02 <Celestar> our compute center annouced that they think about charging the departments for the backup
11:00:22 <Celestar> and *apparently* one tape costs 2000 EUR
11:00:27 <Gekz> how can that be justified
11:00:39 <Celestar> what kind of tapes are they using?
11:00:51 <Celestar> the ones I can buy are 2000 EUR .. for a pack of 50.
11:01:02 <Kloopy_> If the price is for the tape, offer to provide a tape for backup yourselves :)
11:01:28 <Celestar> if they really come up with that
11:04:20 <Celestar> if it goes on like this, tapes will be no cheaper than HDDs in a year or two
11:05:09 <Celestar> I tape is around 55 EUR
11:05:15 <Celestar> and has 800GB native capacity
11:05:28 <Celestar> that's around 7ct / GB
11:06:17 <Celestar> SATA disks are around 10 ct /GB
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14:08:38 <dih> 15:02 < Ammler> dih: show me a common "open" software not using 7z :P
14:08:38 <dih> 15:05 < dih> kernel.org :-D
14:08:38 <dih> 15:06 < dih> you want another one?
14:08:40 <dih> 15:06 < dih> httpd.apache.org
14:08:43 <dih> 15:06 < dih> want another one?
14:08:45 <dih> 15:06 < dih> subversion.tigris.org
14:08:50 <dih> 15:06 < Ammler> a common one
14:08:53 <dih> 15:06 < dih> they are common
14:08:55 <dih> 15:06 < Ammler> I never download kernel
14:08:58 <dih> 15:06 < dih> but you run it
14:09:00 <dih> 15:07 < dih> every linux computer runs a kernel
14:09:03 <dih> 15:07 < dih> makes it pretty common if you ask me
14:09:05 <dih> 15:07 < Ammler> only linux, so that is not common :P
14:09:10 <dih> 15:07 < dih> where is it not common?
14:09:13 <dih> 15:07 < Ammler> software which runs only on one OS is quite uncommon, imo.
14:09:15 <dih> sorry Ammler i just liked it so much i could not resist :-)
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15:55:46 * Belugas is discovering The Cure - Scream, with delectation :)
15:58:46 <Belugas> too bad, it's the only good song on the record
16:12:10 <Celestar> does anyone know a tool to annotate/comment pdfs in linux?
16:22:28 <thingwath> (OK, it keeps comments only localy. Doesn't change the file.)
16:24:14 <Ammler> well, depense what celestar means with comments
16:24:53 <thingwath> Yes. But okular works really, really great for me :o)
16:30:04 <Celestar> thingwath: okular can?
16:30:36 <thingwath> you can put comments (yellow rectangles with text) there, underline text and few more thingies
16:33:59 <thingwath> But if you need to really edit the file, okular can't help you :/
16:34:59 <Belugas> fun to discuss ariund a good table, but if the converstation is too interesting, you odn't notice all that you are eating
16:38:58 <Celestar> thanks thingwath it rocks :)
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16:46:57 <CIA-5> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r14550 /trunk/src/train_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#2391]: Don't assert on path look-ahead when processing a not-part-of-orders depot-order.
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16:53:24 <Nite> Station rating - Age in years of last vehicle entering station
16:54:32 <Nite> would be nice to be switchoffable ;) in multiplayer
16:56:51 <dih> you want to be able to define your own rating system?
16:57:38 <Nite> its yust that especially on goal servers players end in buying new trains constantly
16:57:42 <dih> then you would want to configure it properly, and not just en/disable one part of it
16:57:51 <Nite> just to get that 13% rating from new trains
16:58:12 <dih> make sure they can service
16:58:25 <Nite> it has nothing to do with service
16:58:45 <dih> as soon as they hit a certain age they get replaced
16:58:46 <Nite> a zero years old train witing at station gives 13% +
16:59:12 <fjb> Build a statue and do some advertising.
16:59:16 <dih> buy statues, and place your HQ strategically
16:59:17 <Nite> and therefore you have to buy new ones constantly wehen in competition
16:59:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Nite: station ratings can be changed by newgrf, but afaik that is not implemented
17:00:07 <Nite> dih, i know all other things to get more rating but to get that final 13% you have to have zero aged trains
17:00:09 <dih> Nite: group the trains, make sure they pass depot lines, and use auto replace
17:00:26 <Nite> which makes the game a replacing game - remember locomotion ;)
17:00:56 <dih> even if it gets implemented tonight, the goal based games are running stable ;-)
17:01:18 <Nite> ok grouping and low autoreplace is workaround but bad one - becuse then you have to replace "other" trains by hand ...
17:01:53 <Nite> yeah they are running stable - and we are happyly replacing train after train.
17:02:25 <Nite> nice to know that it could be changed by newgrf
17:03:04 <dih> Nite: "afaik that is not yet implemented"
17:03:31 <dih> + the server admin would have to agree
17:03:51 <dih> and if that is the case, the server admin could simply patch the server and distribute his binaries
17:04:07 <Nite> agreeing would not be a problem i guess ...
17:04:28 <dih> you cannot be too sure about that ;-)
17:05:10 <Nite> well all players i talked agree that rating for trains age is rubbish
17:06:15 <dih> it counts as much as people voting in the forums trying to get certain patches into trunk
17:07:08 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they DID add the renaming to path signals ;)
17:07:34 <Nite> all those bits make me dizzy at the moment
17:09:06 <dih> Eddi|zuHause: one thing compared to thousands of votes? :-P
17:09:38 <Nite> where to find these "votes" - link?
17:14:07 <Belugas> democracy is just an illusion give to the powerless ones, for them to feel a bit less powerless!
17:15:21 <Nite> democracy also is a missconception since its not prooven tht the mass/majority is always right.
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17:19:54 <fjb> Anarchy is the only true form of government.
17:22:08 <Belugas> anarchy is not a form of government, it's the lack of one :P
17:23:56 <Nite> the signal control thing is really wired
17:25:51 * SpComb hot-wires Nite's signal control thing
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17:37:29 <SmatZ> I don't understand the idea of manual signals
17:37:42 <SmatZ> you can press the Ignore signals button when you want to mess things up
17:38:15 <SpComb> trains that are currently ignoring signals should be highlighted in red or something
17:38:23 <Nite> manual control for +100 trains - oh yeah i can handle that ;P
17:38:50 <SpComb> whenever I have a train crash, it's because I had to tell some train to ignore signals to unstick it, and then it trundled along somewhere off of my screen, continuing to ignore signals along some bizarre path
17:39:04 <SpComb> Nite: just crank the time down to x0.01 speed
17:39:41 <Nite> well that would be vehicles growing along the track more than moving
17:40:37 <Belugas> SmatZ, you should know by now that as soon as someone pulls a crazy idea, the headless chickens are running for it ;)
17:41:04 <Belugas> users are demanding by nature. They cannot appreciate what they have in front of them
17:41:37 <Nite> hey only 23% votet for the manual sigs
17:42:09 <Nite> gets really hard to find something on the forums
17:44:27 <Nite> i do think they apprechiate AND demand.
17:45:44 <Nite> few would demand features for a completely dumb app.
17:48:05 <Rubidium> and perception of importance changes drastically over time
17:48:29 <Rubidium> a few months ago YAPP was the most important, now it is in trunk it's totally not important anymore
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17:57:49 <Ammler> Rubidium: why do you think, it is _not_ important anymore?
17:58:24 <Char> probably because it just works? :P
17:58:37 <Rubidium> Ammler: imperical research; the last month or so I haven't seen anyone saying that they needed PBS/YAPP
17:58:55 <Rubidium> however they all say they need cargodest, IS and such...
17:59:05 <Rubidium> and that those features are the most important
17:59:07 <Ammler> becuase they don't have ;-)
18:00:25 <Belugas> i guess it's all the fault of this society of consumers. NE STUFF!!! I CRAVE FOR NEW STUFF
18:00:29 <Nite> well for me i dont want any specific new features just the train age rating switch ...
18:01:44 <Ammler> train age raiting switch?
18:01:55 * fjb can not live without YAPP anymore.
18:05:18 <petern> Ammler, yeah, it's not a specific new feature
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19:00:09 <dih> <Belugas> [19:00:26] i guess it's all the fault of this society of consumers. NE STUFF!!! I CRAVE FOR NEW STUFF <- covet covet covet
19:00:54 <Belugas> hehehe... you're already too old, dih :D
19:01:26 <dih> how are you by the way Belugas?
19:02:39 <Belugas> and on (as usual) an extreme rush @ work
19:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> is this a bad time to tell you that there is a holiday here ;)
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19:20:52 <Belugas> Eddi|zuHause, i do not mind
19:21:04 <Belugas> i've got a pay check, me ;)
19:26:31 <Belugas> although i'm not sure it is worth the efforts i put in my work ...
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21:54:07 <Rubidium> wooh :) I was in time
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22:26:20 <ben_goodger> hmm, that's only mildly in bad taste
22:27:20 <Knight_Owl> and more then mildly racist
22:29:07 <murray> but damned good fun :D
22:29:51 <Knight_Owl> 'than' is correct - my apologies
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23:28:38 <Knight_Owl> Dinner is served - later all
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