IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-03-25
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00:00:03 <jez9999> i dont mean autoreplace i mean CmdDepotMassAutoReplace
00:00:18 <jez9999> i guess you're running out of params tho, i mean you already used p2
00:00:30 <jez9999> and p1 is vehicle type
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00:15:20 <Bjarni> there is a total of 64 bits in p1 and p2
00:15:39 <Bjarni> if needed we can skip the vehicle type
00:15:52 <Bjarni> and figure it out based on depot type
00:26:38 <jez9999> so we have a plan then? :-)
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08:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: miham * r12408 /trunk/src/lang/ (11 files): (log message trimmed)
08:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2008-03-25 09:44:24
08:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: brazilian_portuguese - 1 fixed by fukumori (1)
08:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bulgarian - 1 fixed by thetitan (1)
08:45:46 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 8 fixed by arnaullv (8)
08:45:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: czech - 1 fixed by Hadez (1)
08:45:48 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 8 fixed by glx (8)
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08:58:22 <Poopsmith> evening peter1138 ;)
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12:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12409 /branches/noai/src/ (squirrel.hpp squirrel_class.hpp squirrel_helper.hpp):
12:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Add: allow an AdvancedMethod which gives you complete control over the param handling from a call from SQ
12:09:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Fix: many stack-cleanup fixes; this makes the stack in multiple calls not to overflow
12:10:30 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12410 /trunk/src/ (6 files): -Codechange: abstract out the test for catenary on electric rails
12:13:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12411 /branches/noai/ (55 files in 5 dirs):
12:13:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API CHANGE]: order of params of CargoIncome is changed
12:13:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [NoAI] -Change [API CHANGE]: AIList.Valuate is changed; it now works on any normal function and removes the need for _valuator.[ch]pp.
12:13:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Please check documentation how to alter your AI to work with this commit, or check the changes in regression.
12:16:41 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12412 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (ai_base.hpp ai_bridgelist.hpp): [NoAI] -Fix: three functions missed documentation
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12:20:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12413 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ (12 files): [NoAI] -Remove: removed the last traced of the old obsolete Valuator system (this includes the ugly GetListName(), so Morloth should be happy ;))
12:29:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: truebrain * r12414 /branches/noai/bin/ai/wrightai/main.nut: [NoAI] -Fix r12411: make WrightAI to work again with new Valuator system
12:31:04 <Gekz> so I can stay my current age but skip the cruft of the next two decades
12:32:03 <Gekz> maybe 0.6.0 will be out in 2 decades :P
12:32:06 <Patrick`> to pplay ottd better?
12:32:38 <Gekz> They kept rickrolling me!
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13:04:01 <larsemil> Gekz: there alot of bugs in the beta? i had none in two finnished games
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13:08:27 <joachim> is there any way to set waiting time at signals before reversing, or disable reversing?
13:11:04 <Sacro> larsemil: bugs.openttd.org
13:11:07 <joachim> Sacro: care to enlighten me?
13:11:23 <Sacro> joachim: i don't recall how to do it ><
13:12:08 <larsemil> Sacro: does that mean 220 bugs until 0.6.0
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13:13:37 <Rubidium> larsemil: not all of those 220 are bugs
13:15:06 <larsemil> looks like 0.6.0 would come closer
13:20:32 <Sacro> most are feature requests
13:25:04 <Belugas> who? what? when? why?
13:26:40 <Tefad> i can't get bugs. working
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13:29:28 <keyweed_> judging from the list of bugs, openttd is going better then my work project :(
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14:07:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12415 /branches/noai/Makefile.src.in: [NoAI] -Fix: ignore .hpp.sq to avoid problems with deps
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14:54:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12416 /branches/0.6/src/oldloader.cpp:
14:54:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk (r12399, r12401):
14:54:12 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Fix: loading of TTD savegames (r12399, r12401)
15:11:16 <yorick> I'm compiling the second part of Flags In Client List now
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15:39:25 <yorick> someone broke brazilian_portuguese again
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15:49:54 <yorick> lets see if I can get glx to look at my second patch, still FS#1866 :)
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16:08:26 <DaleStan> Dominik: It's on my DOS CD, I believe. If I can find it.
16:10:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Adlib"... i haven't heard that name in a decade or so...
16:10:18 <Dominik> DaleStan: thanks for the file
16:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> ever since most games were based on windows
16:10:57 <Dominik> this might be the only feasible way to get ttd music on the DS :)
16:11:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> so games did not need their own sound and graphics drivers anymore
16:11:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> everything was based on directx
16:12:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> (this is one of the best things that windows introduced)
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16:17:33 <peter1138> Isn't it still midi, just optimised for adlib?
16:18:23 <Dominik> peter1138: i'm not sure yet what adlib format looks like. but i just found out that scummvm can play adlib on the ds.
16:19:11 <Dominik> should be possible for openttd as well then
16:25:10 <peter1138> Hmm, I thought scummvm had its own synthesiser.
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16:35:57 <joachim> wait_for_pbs_path says min:2, max: 100
16:36:07 <joachim> not possible to set it to 255 for no reversal?
16:39:19 <hylje> 0 would be a ideal magic value for "never"
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17:42:03 <Eddi|zuHause2> joachim: did you try it?
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18:01:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> joachim: i meant 255
18:10:22 <Bjarni> ln: I'm still not sure what you meant by that?
18:10:58 <joachim> Eddi|zuHause2: ah, then it gets set to 100
18:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> "Heidi" is not exactly a common male name ;)
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18:13:48 <Digitalfox> yeah.. I was just seeing why r12417 wasn't announce :\
18:13:54 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: yet a whole lot of males might pay attention to Heidi
18:14:00 <dih> Bjarni: did you look at mac pasting text with command + v?
18:14:20 <Bjarni> people expect me to do a whole lot of stuff at once
18:14:36 <dih> unless you define 'at once' as during the past 5 months
18:14:42 <dih> then... hmm... perhaps :-P
18:14:59 <dih> no - i just wanted to know if that was touched before i tried it again :-)
18:15:07 <dih> did not mean to hassle you with it
18:15:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> just allocate a second instance of yourself, and assign it to execute on the second core
18:15:22 <Bjarni> at once as in "while I'm overburdened with other stuff"
18:16:00 <Bjarni> Eddi|zuHause2: hehe... the problem is that the human body is single cored
18:16:06 <Bjarni> but there is a solution to that problem
18:16:12 * Bjarni goes to look for Heidi
18:19:23 <nicfer> I want too toyland into rich's patch :(
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18:20:30 <peter1138> That doesn't make sense.
18:20:54 <Rubidium> but we need those batteries in the real world too!
18:21:01 <nicfer> candfloss for the win!
18:21:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> for when Heidi does not find a Bjarni?
18:21:58 <Bjarni> actually I once found a Heidi
18:22:03 <nicfer> also would be good to see sugar in the map
18:22:19 <Bjarni> that wasn't pleasant :(
18:22:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> Zehn zahme Ziegen zogen zehn Zentner Zucker zur zeitzer Zuckerfabrik
18:23:10 <jez9999> how's it going Bjarni
18:23:32 <Bjarni> I haven't found a new Heidi yet
18:23:54 <dih> take yorick for the time being
18:24:32 <Bjarni> now that's a lame action
18:24:41 <Bjarni> not to mention reason for doing so
18:24:55 <fjb> Eddi|zuHause2: Why do the goats take sugar to the sugar refinary?
18:25:22 <dih> so they can take their own milk back to the kids?
18:25:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> fjb: in an alternate version they take it to the train instead
18:25:55 <fjb> Thar would be more reasonable.
18:27:08 <Bjarni> jez9999: if you meant how it's going with the coding then I got as far as opening the source
18:27:20 <jez9999> i meant more generally :-)
18:27:26 <Bjarni> and realising how to make the "all or nothing" thing
18:27:38 <Bjarni> <jez9999> i meant more generally :-) <-- ahhh
18:28:02 <Bjarni> that's how I feel right now :)
18:31:09 <peter1138> HAPPY BOYS AND HAPPY GIRLS WILL BE
18:31:55 <fjb> They will be if somebody ports YAPP to the latest trunk.
18:33:48 * fjb is fighting with bacula right now. SO no time fpr porting anything.
18:33:49 <dih> is that a line from startsky and hutch?
18:34:31 <fjb> Bacula has a higher importance right now.
18:36:14 <Belugas> not Scotch.,, Scott...
18:39:14 <dih> my friends got a girlfriend and he hates that bich...
18:40:06 <dih> your young enough to know that song
18:42:18 <Belugas> maybe i am, but i've got way too much names in this little head of mine
18:42:49 <Belugas> plus, i'm deeply in to Queensryche, MindCrime II, right now...
18:43:23 <Belugas> someone else crept in, i need to be alone
18:44:18 <ln> Bjarni: i'm not a customer of Sampo Bank (thank god), but in the first paragraph you should be laughing at "successfully completed" and "minor problems".
18:45:28 * yorick gives dih a clout round the head with a fresh copy of HydraIRC
18:48:49 <dih> no - the 'clout around the head with ~' was lame
18:49:17 * yorick slaps dih with a fresh copy of HydraIRC
18:49:22 <Sacro> dih: he tells me every day
18:50:05 <Sacro> he says "man i really gotta lose my chick in the worst kinda way"
18:50:21 <Sacro> Belugas: alice in wonderland?
18:51:05 <dih> please make your selection followed by the pound sign now
18:52:44 <Sacro> dih: yes, that pisses me off
18:54:35 <jez9999> im getting a cost of 0 as the CommandCost from a depot upgrade
18:54:36 <Belugas> GOD Damn the pusher man!
18:54:40 <jez9999> when i dont think i should be
18:54:56 <Belugas> whenI don't think, i am not
19:01:27 <peter1138> YOU THINK I'D CRUMBLE?
19:02:38 <Sacro> YOU THINK I'D LAY DOWN AND CRY
19:04:55 <jez9999> Bjarni: have a Q about your code
19:04:56 <Wolf01> there's a way to revert a commit?
19:05:47 <Bjarni> so I don't have a question about it ;)
19:06:07 <jez9999> vehicle.cpp line 1772
19:06:14 <jez9999> you always set cost = CommandCost();
19:06:33 <jez9999> shouldn't that be inside the flags & DC_EXEC block? if you're querying the cost, you dont want to set it to 0?
19:06:37 <jez9999> or is there a reason you did that
19:07:42 <Wolf01> thank you yorick, I thought it was that way, but I was not sure if it was the right way :P
19:08:50 <yorick> Belugas explained it to Ammler once
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19:09:49 <yorick> Ammler asked how to revert commits, openttdcoop grfpack commit 70 or something
19:10:31 <yorick> what's with Sacro now?
19:11:16 * peter1138 was... shock horror... away from the computer.
19:11:18 <yorick> yes, Sacro revert --revision 70 && Sacro commit "-revert revsion 70"
19:12:33 <Bjarni> jez9999: w_rear = NULL; <-- this is my line 1772
19:12:53 <Bjarni> I presume that we aren't looking at the same version of the file
19:13:31 <jez9999> it's near the end of the CmdDepotMassAutoReplace function
19:15:07 <peter1138> ROBERT DE NIRO'S WAITING
19:15:29 <yorick> ooh...I know that name
19:17:02 * Belugas is tempted to go banana but resists the temptation
19:17:30 * yorick waves imaginary banana at belugas
19:17:34 <Belugas> as the distorsion is such a sweet sound for me...
19:17:46 <peter1138> bananaramamamamamaa
19:18:10 <Belugas> eyes are not the only scary pasrt of it
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19:22:15 <Bjarni> <jez9999> or is there a reason you did that <-- read the comments... I wrote them for a reason ;)
19:22:27 <Bjarni> however I think I will change this
19:22:35 <Bjarni> since it would appear that it matters to you
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19:27:42 <jez9999> Bjarni: i dont understand those comments, they're too concise
19:28:21 <jez9999> you saying some GRF sets replace 1 wagon with 2 wagons?
19:29:40 <jez9999> when the player drags the track conversion tool over nothing but depots with trains in, i need to return a cost
19:29:44 <jez9999> if not, an error gets displayed
19:30:12 <jez9999> i could return the cost i will actually make the command charge, which is track conversion charge only (not train conversion charge)
19:30:32 <jez9999> but that would look a bit silly, it will say 'estimated cost 300' or something and actually it'll cost 200,000 with train conversion included
19:30:47 <jez9999> so if they only select depots with trains in i wanted to return the full cost including train upgrades
19:31:31 <jez9999> of course this means i need CmdDepotMassAutoReplace to a) give me an 'all or nothing' replacement and b) tell me the cost ahead of time
19:33:08 <Sacro> peter1138: talking italian
19:33:33 * Sacro was putting stuff in his new bread maker
19:35:36 <fjb> What are the trrains upgraded to?
19:36:16 <jez9999> first compatible train
19:36:40 <fjb> And if there is no compatible train?
19:37:05 * Sacro fires up his space shuttle
19:41:03 <fjb> What happens, when the unelectrified rail is upgraded to electrified rail. Is then every steam or diesel engine in that depot converted to an electric engine?
19:43:44 <Sacro> peter1138: i want more lyrics :(
19:44:13 <peter1138> WHEN THE FIRST CUP OF COFFEE TASTES LIKE WASHING UP
19:45:12 <Prof_Frink> It means you've mistaken fairy for nescafe again.
19:45:37 <Sacro> i've had lemon tea before :(
20:01:49 <dih> toet - that sounds rude ^^
20:02:33 <yorick> in dutch, its the car horn sound
20:03:33 <Belugas> # We circle around each other waiting for reaction
20:03:37 <dih> i will f<toet> you up, bitch
20:04:11 <yorick> nah, it's <piep> for the <beep> sound
20:04:59 <AndreR> i have soundbut no music inopenttd
20:05:01 <yorick> congratulations, proceed
20:05:20 <yorick> have you copies the gm dir?
20:05:23 <dih> andyou miss some spacesin your sencances dont younow?
20:05:50 <yorick> you need external midi, I believe
20:06:22 * yorick feels sorry for the ubuntu dev's, so many questions, I assume ;(
20:07:03 <dih> AndreR to get music running you need the TTD gm dir from the windows version
20:07:14 <Dominik> AndreR: install timidity and it should vwork i think
20:07:31 <AndreR> and i have installed timidity via synaptic
20:08:07 <yorick> even if you don't have music, is that a big problem?
20:08:18 <peter1138> The music smells after the first play.
20:08:23 <peter1138> Also, timidity smells.
20:08:50 <AndreR> i love this oldstyle music
20:09:12 <AndreR> i also have a hughe collection of old *.mod-files
20:09:18 <yorick> play it in a midi player ;)
20:09:35 <AndreR> i want to use theinternal jukebox ;)
20:09:38 <Dominik> AndreR: does it work when you play it externally with the command timidity gm_tt00.gm
20:09:56 <jez9999> Bjarni: any idea how quickly you can make CmdDepotMassAutoReplace return the correctly estimated cost?
20:10:58 <Bjarni> now I just need to figure out why it started to assert
20:11:03 <Dominik> AndreR: what does "openttd --help" say about your music drivers?
20:11:34 <AndreR> extmidi: External MIDI Driver
20:11:54 <Dominik> hmm, that looks good.
20:12:25 <Dominik> sorry, i'm out of ideas :(
20:14:16 <AndreR> i have to start the music by hand ;)
20:14:45 <AndreR> but ok... i have to watch house and monk now
20:17:06 <jez9999> Bjarni: it doesnt do it now as it always returns 0
20:24:22 <dih> he asked for a 13 but they drew a 31...
20:24:24 <jez9999> or do you mean 'now... in the version on my machine'?
20:29:16 <ln> Bjarni: what kind of partitioning does an external FW drive require in order to be bootable by a mac?
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20:56:53 <fjb> No, either a warning that JavaScript is sweitched off or an empty page.
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21:06:30 <Bjarni> <ln> Bjarni: what kind of partitioning does an external FW drive require in order to be bootable by a mac? <-- err... I never really thought about that. I just plug them in and ask disk utilities to format it and give me one big HFS+ partition and then everything is fine
21:07:02 <Sacro> where is the ABORT light...
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21:18:37 <Sacro> right, H2 and engines on
21:19:20 <ln> Bjarni: i'd like to experiment with linux on PPC using that external disc.
21:19:39 <ln> but let's say i just partition it on linux and see if it'll boot or not.
21:20:03 <Bjarni> considering you plan to format it anyway worst case is that it fails to boot
21:20:27 <Bjarni> but AFAIK firewire isn't any harder to get bootable on mac than internal HDs
21:20:42 <ln> this disk was pre-formatted in HFS+, btw.
21:21:33 <Bjarni> I got HFS+ preformatted disks too
21:21:45 <Bjarni> I recommend reformatting them anyway
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21:22:07 <Bjarni> and scan for bad blocks
21:23:09 <ln> i connected it to my linux-PC with firewire, and the whole system crashed immediately.
21:23:47 <ln> then i connected it with USB, and it worked better, but GRUB said "Harddisk error", perhaps because the disc doesn't have a valid DOS-style partition table.
21:26:16 <glx> hmm ln, does 32bpp works for you on PPC?
21:34:51 <jez9999> Bjarni: what was that comment earlier about CmdDepotMassAutoReplace returning the correctly estimated cost?
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21:38:58 <Bjarni> I don't care for the old comments
21:39:08 <Bjarni> I replaced them in my working copy ;)
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21:41:24 <peter1138> Sacro polished his rocket.
21:42:09 <Sacro> hmm, my mission timer has underflowed
21:42:17 <Sacro> and is now counting down from 99:59
21:42:45 <fjb> Where is the Sacro missing timer?
21:42:48 <Bjarni> it took you that long to launch your shuttle?
21:43:23 <Bjarni> did you get any on your keyboard/monitor?
21:44:17 <Bjarni> you mean you left everything in your underwear???
21:44:41 <Sacro> oh, i'm not going to the moon ><
21:44:50 * Sacro wanted to do an Apollo launch
21:45:00 <Bjarni> they didn't reach the moon either
21:45:36 <Bjarni> Sacro: what are you doing?
21:45:45 <Bjarni> playing with NASA recruitment software?
21:45:47 <Sacro> Bjarni: Space Shuttle Mission 2007
21:45:55 <Sacro> though i also like Orbiter, that has NASSP
21:48:58 * SpComb played with it a year ago
21:49:05 <SpComb> PITA to configure, but good features
21:49:46 <fjb> Yes, figuring out the configuration is quite some work.
21:50:15 <SpComb> more backup software needs an option to compress the backup data, I usually get > 50% compression ratios with bacula
21:51:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: skidd13 * r12419 /trunk/src/ (road_cmd.cpp road_func.h road_map.h): -Cleanup: of the internal road-piece building and removing.
21:51:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r12417 /trunk/src/ (lang/icelandic.txt strgen/strgen.cpp strings.cpp): -Fix: Add a new plural rule for Icelandic.
21:51:40 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: maedhros * r12420 /trunk/src/strings.cpp: -Cleanup: Fix the indentation, improve a variable name, and add a NOT_REACHED to DeterminePluralForm.
21:51:54 <Maedhros> ooh err, CIA returns
21:51:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12418 /branches/0.6/src/lang/ (11 files):
21:51:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: [0.6] -Backport from trunk (r12408):
21:51:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: - Language updates (r12408)
21:52:20 <peter1138> Randomised commits :D
21:52:44 <jez9999> Bjarni: so are you planning on committing the new autoreplace code soon?
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21:52:55 <fjb> As long as the repository is not randomized...
21:53:56 <fjb> SpComb: The only thing that bugs me about bacula is that the metadata is not encrypted.
21:54:35 <fjb> And not only there I would gess.
21:58:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: bjarni * r12421 /trunk/src/ (autoreplace_cmd.cpp command.cpp vehicle.cpp):
21:58:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Feature: [autoreplace] the autoreplace button in train depots will now also replace wagons even if they aren't connected to a locomotive
21:58:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: fixed estimated cost in CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() (will still not estimate wagon removal profits)
21:58:25 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: Made it possible to command CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() to either replace everything or nothing (the button will still happily replace just some of the vehicles if cash premits)
21:58:33 <Bjarni> jez9999: that will be $200
21:59:18 <Bjarni> that's the price it would be if I did it professionally and with the time I spent doing it
21:59:31 <Bjarni> it might even be a bit more
21:59:59 <Bjarni> I wouldn't get the cash personally though :(
22:00:15 <jez9999> my company are idiots who waste money on MS shit
22:01:31 <jez9999> in fact, do you work at my company? heh
22:01:52 <Bjarni> what is "your" company? :)
22:02:23 <SmatZ> by ohloh.net, OTTD is worth $ 1,941,150 :-)
22:03:36 <jez9999> i think it would kinda suck if openttd didnt use the original gfx by default
22:03:40 <Bjarni> Our prime goal is to generate tangible benefits for our customer's businesses <-- I don't think you can find a company saying the opposite :D
22:03:45 <jez9999> those new hi-res ones just dont feel the same
22:04:00 <Patrick`> new graphics would mean it was redistributable without f*cking around!
22:04:01 <jez9999> dont give me the cartoony/cute feeling
22:04:07 <jez9999> yeah but they would look different!
22:04:09 <Patrick`> as in, ottd finally gets legitimacy as an OSS
22:04:18 <Patrick`> you can always drop in the data files yourself afterwards
22:04:31 <jez9999> cant we make new graphics that are very similar to the originals? it's the totally different look i dont like :-)
22:04:49 <Patrick`> we'll just tell our hard working volunteers that they're shit and should redo it for you
22:05:29 <jez9999> funny how many people use 'shit' as an adjective nowadays
22:05:38 <AndreR> i just want to know if there is a better way to play the musik under linuxas with timidity
22:05:40 <jez9999> the dictionary insists it's a noun, and says 'shitty' is the adjective
22:05:54 <AndreR> because i have only 630 MHz
22:07:18 <jez9999> now this is where my hatrid of c++ comes in again
22:07:27 <jez9999> i have a std::list, and need to make sure i kill it off without leaking memory
22:07:35 <jez9999> alas, it does contain pointers :-(
22:08:14 <SmatZ> destructor will handle all the allocated memory
22:08:30 <jez9999> but the memory of the contained objects?
22:09:36 <SmatZ> I don't know, I don't use STL
22:09:45 <SmatZ> but I doubt it will free() it
22:09:47 <jez9999> im holding Vehicle **s
22:09:53 <jez9999> they're arrays of Vehicles
22:10:05 <jez9999> so there's two things that need freeing, the array and the objects
22:10:06 <glx> usual way is loop over the list to delete
22:10:08 <jez9999> not sure about either :-\
22:10:20 <SmatZ> don't use std::list, use normal array
22:12:10 <jez9999> std::list is way easier
22:12:24 <jez9999> and i do iterate over it, so i guess i can try and delete stuff for each iteration
22:12:34 <jez9999> trouble is in c++ figuring out what i need to delete
22:13:02 <glx> you need to delete all stuff you allocated
22:13:14 * fjb prefers Eiffel for reasons like this.
22:13:19 <Bjarni> it's as simple as that
22:14:12 <fjb> An advanced objectoriented programming language.
22:15:30 <Bjarni> jez9999: look at CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() (I know you already have). It starts by creating a list and just before return it frees it. The trick now is that it can't return without hitting the free() and because of that it will not leak memory
22:15:39 <jez9999> it looks like the only things i need to delete are the two returned lists from BuildDepotVehicleList
22:15:44 <Sacro> why delete... just wander off
22:16:06 <Bjarni> Sacro: C++ lacks a garbage collector
22:16:50 <fjb> How about using boehm-gc?
22:16:54 <jez9999> it free()s a Vehicle**
22:17:00 <jez9999> so it doesnt actually delete the Vehicle?
22:18:32 <jez9999> and at the end, do i need to delete my std::list?
22:18:41 <jez9999> glx: wha? no it's not.
22:19:14 <jez9999> a struct is "have 100 bytes of mem? here's how you interpret it"
22:21:46 <glx> struct members are public by default, class members are private by default
22:22:00 <Bjarni> jez9999: are you thinking of an array?
22:22:19 <jez9999> i am thinking of a struct
22:22:35 * fjb offers you a fresh set of almost 500Gb pseudo random data. Only availlable till tomorrow.
22:22:45 <Bjarni> a struct and a class is the same except for the default public/private stuff
22:22:58 <jez9999> really? sounds like c++ is dumber than i thought then
22:23:02 <jez9999> in c# a struct is very limited
22:23:17 <jez9999> and as far as i can remember it is literally a container in C
22:23:17 <Bjarni> why should the struct be limited?
22:23:22 <jez9999> so C++ must make some weird amendments
22:23:31 <glx> C++ structs are an extension of C structs
22:23:34 <jez9999> because it's intended to be a data holder, not do anything with the data
22:23:38 <Bjarni> a struct can be used as a container just like in C
22:23:43 <SmatZ> jez9999: get used to it
22:23:55 <Bjarni> but you can add member functions and stuff to them if you like
22:23:57 <jez9999> do i need to delete my std::list after finishing with it?
22:24:06 <Maedhros> only if you created it with new
22:24:38 <Maedhros> then it'll be allocated on the stack and so it'll be freed when it goes out of scope
22:25:15 <Bjarni> jez9999: basically this is how C++ works and it's great if you can figure out how to use it... so you just have to accept it
22:25:39 <jez9999> i do accept it, doesnt stop me wishing C# had come first
22:26:09 <jez9999> it was so funny in one interview
22:26:10 <Bjarni> complains about our coding and programming languages will be accepted on the 29th of February only
22:26:19 <jez9999> i went to a defence company, Thales group
22:26:49 <jez9999> And during the interview there was lots of c++, i'd already told the guy from the recruitment agency i didnt like c++
22:26:59 <jez9999> and i said at one point 'it's basically a hack on top of c'
22:27:08 <jez9999> the interviewer just stared at me, he really loved c++ :-)
22:27:42 <glx> yeah use c# in missile embedded controllers
22:27:51 <jez9999> use c+= and you get a memory leak
22:28:07 <Bjarni> because you hire real coders
22:28:15 <jez9999> ah well im a fake coder
22:28:18 <Bjarni> and real program planners
22:28:34 <glx> c++ doesn't leak if you use it right
22:28:47 <jez9999> that's what they say about condoms
22:29:19 <Bjarni> are you trying to get the trunk dirty?
22:31:08 <jez9999> i think i've basically got my patch working ok
22:31:32 <jez9999> a few tweaks, but once the autoreplace stuff is done it will do a decent autoconversion
22:33:36 <Bjarni> I just coded all the autoreplace stuff you asked for
22:39:40 <jez9999> but really do you think you might get it done any time soon?
22:41:02 <henkie> can i transfer money in a multiplayer game?
22:42:20 <henkie> which menu? i cannot seem to find it
22:43:57 <Bjarni> <jez9999> but really do you think you might get it done any time soon? <--- it works like we talked about yesterday
22:44:05 <Bjarni> what else do you expect me to do???
22:44:25 <jez9999> i dont quite understand you? yesterday we came up with several improvements :-)
22:44:53 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: Commit by bjarni :: r12421 /trunk/src (3 files) (2008-03-25 21:58:13 UTC)
22:44:54 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: -Feature: [autoreplace] the autoreplace button in train depots will now also replace wagons even if they aren't connected to a locomotive
22:44:55 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: fixed estimated cost in CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() (will still not estimate wagon removal profits)
22:44:56 <DorpsGek> Bjarni: Made it possible to command CmdDepotMassAutoReplace() to either replace everything or nothing (the button will still happily replace just some of the vehicles if cash premits)
22:45:11 <Bjarni> isn't this basically what we talked about?
22:45:23 <jez9999> ohh you mean you werent joking
22:45:54 * Bjarni slaps jez9999 really hard
22:45:55 <jez9999> and i've now introduced a bug somehow where it upgrades track even if you havent got the money :-\
22:46:18 <jez9999> Bjarni: sorry, im just used to assuming people on irc are telling me BS
22:46:22 <jez9999> it's more often the truth
22:46:32 <Bjarni> bully jez9999 for as long as you can take it
22:46:57 *** dih was kicked by DorpsGek (spammer)
22:47:08 * ben_goodger slaps jez9999 also
22:47:16 <dih> kick the one who gave the order
22:47:17 <Maedhros> autorejoin should get you a kickban :-P
22:47:19 <jez9999> ben_goodger: go invent another popular web browser
22:47:50 <ben_goodger> jez9999: I plan to invent the web's replacement, actually
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22:51:53 <jez9999> ok this is dumb but... any idea how i could manage to break things so that a command is always executed, even if it takes you into the red? :-)
22:52:38 <Maedhros> have you added anything to notest in command.cpp?
22:52:54 <dih> now that would be a nice feature
22:53:38 <dih> at 10 x loan interest :-P
22:53:49 <jez9999> Maedhros: ahhhhh yes i did :-)
22:53:56 <michi_cc> you might want to visit the forums
22:54:02 <michi_cc> have fun and good night :)
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22:54:30 <jez9999> hmm, i do want my command to be able to return an estimation value higher than the actual cost
22:54:36 <jez9999> adding to notest allows both
22:54:40 <jez9999> any way to just add the one?
22:54:51 <Maedhros> michi_cc: awesome :)
22:55:36 <Maedhros> jez9999: not without modifying some of the command code, no
22:55:43 <jez9999> if you try and convert several depots with trains in, it gives the estimated cost of converting all
22:56:03 <jez9999> but when doing it, it will return a drastically lower cost (only the cost of upgrading the track)
22:56:18 <jez9999> would some subtle modifying of the command code be ok?
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22:56:55 <jez9999> i need a var like testallowhigherestimate
23:07:40 <jez9999> it just does a slightly different assertion
23:10:13 <jez9999> wow if all this autoreplace stuff is done this patch could be perfect
23:10:32 <jez9999> wont have the GUI that some people want but i think that sounds a bit overcomplex anyway
23:10:38 <jez9999> first compatible train should do
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23:26:25 <fjb> r12421 with YAPP 0.5 and paxdest 273 is cooking. :-)
23:27:49 <fjb> I should release a fjbin. :-)
23:30:33 <Zuu> Hi, I've got asked to add a function to OpenTTDAutoUpdate that enables people to update but not play. And I'm abit divided, because while that might be usefull for some, I think that will put unnecessary high load on the web server which have to be payed for.
23:30:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12422 /branches/noai/src/ai/api/ai_abstractlist.cpp: [NoAI] -Fix (r12411): unicode compilation was broken
23:31:46 <Zuu> In theroy there could be a program that updates to latest nightly every night for every user, but that would be quite not so good I think, since there woud be lot of unnecessary downloads.
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23:41:46 <jez9999> has someone broken openttd?
23:41:57 <jez9999> when i try to compile, i get "Error 1 error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Generating brazilian_portuguese language file" langs
23:43:20 <jez9999> it just pops up that error again
23:44:27 <glx> it doesn't stop compilation for me
23:44:37 <glx> it just skips languages compilation
23:44:43 <jez9999> hmm oh it's still compiling
23:46:24 <jez9999> but then i get 'rebuild all failed'
23:46:29 <jez9999> it doesnt let me debug, it wont generate the exe
23:46:49 <glx> ========== Build: 2 succeeded, 1 failed, 0 up-to-date, 0 skipped ==========
23:47:08 <jez9999> VS won't let you debug
23:47:17 <jez9999> although that's true, VS doesnt start the executable
23:48:24 <jez9999> even if i run the exe manually, i get an error about invalid language packs
23:50:54 <jez9999> so i have to delete all the lngs except english?
23:50:55 <Belugas> exclude brazilian_protuguese from the lang project. it works
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23:58:14 * Digitalfox says Hi yo Belugas :) But sends a Portuguese dictionary to him =0
23:58:51 * Digitalfox now needs a English dictionary :(
23:59:04 <Belugas> going back to real life ;)
23:59:56 <Digitalfox> life @ life sounds fun =0
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