IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2008-03-15
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00:03:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> it is expensive when you call it multiple times per tick, but if you do it only on user input, it should be fine
00:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause3> there are similar functions that mark rectangles dirty
00:05:04 <TheJosh> I think this will be fine. Its only called when the number of owners of a company goes from 2 <-> 3 or 3 <-> 4
00:05:13 <TheJosh> very rare I would think
00:06:10 <Eddi|zuHause3> one suggestion was to have more smaller steps than 25%
00:06:32 <TheJosh> I wrote a patch for that as well, but i canned it
00:07:20 <TheJosh> The problem was the GUI was bad, so it would only list 3 companies, but at 5% increments, all 8 companies can own some of the company
00:07:42 <TheJosh> Now it lists them all properly and resizes the window. thats the patch I just made
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00:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause3> oh, and one probably important aspect of shares is that the company has to decide that it actually gives out shares
00:25:19 <TheJosh> but you make a good point. if to give out and how much to give out
00:25:44 <Eddi|zuHause3> and also important that shares don't cost nothing just because the company has loan
00:26:29 <TheJosh> Its going to use an actual share price at some point
00:26:38 <TheJosh> probably based on assets
00:27:04 <TheJosh> im/were gonna think up something funky to prevent share cheating
00:31:34 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12367 /trunk/src/network/network_data.cpp: -Fix [FS#1650](r707): commands were sent to clients waiting for map download causing 'executing command from the past' error
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00:55:29 <Guest1376> is it possible to rotate the map?
00:56:20 <Sacro> and it'll rotate by 90 degrees
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00:57:14 <Guest1376> Sacro: what does "times" mean? what to I press?
00:58:29 <Sacro> Guest1376: there's nothing in game you can press
00:58:46 <Sacro> and possible an imaginaryInt
00:59:01 <Guest1376> ah, square root of minus 1
00:59:12 <Guest1376> ok, thanks for the explanation
00:59:50 <Sacro> wow, someone who understood my humour
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01:06:50 <Sacro> STAR TREK FOR FREE ONLINE
01:10:05 <SmatZ> "This content is .... unavailable"
01:10:12 <SmatZ> I don't understand that one word :-x
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01:55:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Sacro> and possible an imaginaryInt <- it's called a "Gaussian Plane"
01:56:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: were you actually able to play this?
01:57:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i was under the impression the american tv stations would block all non-american IPs from downloading their stuff
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02:02:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... my capital is already level 4 culture while my other cities are just level 2...
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03:31:21 <Belugas> only tiny problem i saw
03:31:39 <Belugas> do you have atext editor who can show you tabs and spaces?
03:36:17 <Belugas> if you do, look at it using that feature
03:36:51 <Belugas> you'll see that the patch as some rogue tabs, as well as some spaces where there should not be any
03:38:11 <TheJosh> oh i am sorry about the tabs and spaces
03:38:22 <TheJosh> do you want me to use sed to rip them out and then resubmit?
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03:41:10 <TheJosh> ah yes i found it the fourth to last line of the diff. im very dissapointed with myself :(
03:41:16 <Belugas> heheh just a minor point, really...
03:41:44 <Belugas> as the rest is very top notch
03:42:01 <TheJosh> ill hack gedit to show me spaces and tabs :)
03:42:11 <Belugas> thing is, most patchers tend to not look at their patches before submitting them
03:42:55 <Belugas> for devs, it is a must, since we have this pre-commit hook that rejects work if eveer there is a trailing space
03:43:11 <Belugas> so, let say been picky on it is normal :D
03:43:25 <TheJosh> sorry that I missed that when i did my pre-submit checks
03:43:41 <Belugas> even commit mesages have tobe written in accordance to the rules ;)
03:43:56 <Belugas> no problem, TheJosh. it's normal
03:44:08 <TheJosh> so will that patch get in sometime soon?
03:44:18 <TheJosh> not being pushy of course :P
03:46:50 <Belugas> of course not, you're not pushy at all ;)
03:47:04 <Belugas> i think it has some pretty good chances indeed
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03:56:21 <Belugas> night/day/whatever-suits-you all
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04:03:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> i take the night
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07:09:20 <Pinchiukas> what do you think about simutrans? why are there multiple games anyway?
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08:55:45 <peter1138> TheJosh: there's already a plugin for gedit to show tabs & spaces.
08:56:46 <TheJosh> i was looking for ages for one because I heard about it and i couldnt find it
08:57:10 <peter1138> Makes it a bit slow on my PC though.
08:57:44 <peter1138> This one is called "Draw Spaces"
08:57:52 <peter1138> I don't know where it came from though.
08:58:01 <peter1138> Sacro, Sacro, Sacro!
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09:02:51 <peter1138> Vim's draw spaces at end of line is more useful, though.
09:07:58 <TheJosh> someone said I should write what changes I plan of actually making, so that page has planned features and a simple roadmap
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09:48:41 <snappy> Hi, is there a way to play openttd in fullscreen?
09:48:59 <snappy> er nevermind -- alt+enter, i cant believe i didnt bother trying that until i joined this channel and asked heh.
09:55:05 <peter1138> If you can't figure something out, ask a question. You're bound to figure it out 3 seconds later :D
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11:52:19 <jez9999> has anyone written a patch that gives you the ability to set trains' service interval to 20 days, then say 'at any junction, if any turn leads to a service depot within 5 squares and it's been 20 days since your last service, take that junction and go to the service depot'
11:52:51 <jez9999> basically i want to have a load of non-mandatory service depots scattered around, then have not all trains going in there, but doing so when they pass one 20 days after their last service
11:53:22 <Frostregen> the only thing which needs to be changed should be the "do i need to service?" check
11:53:46 <Frostregen> beeing called when entering a junction, instead of every day
11:54:10 <Alberth> couldn't you achieve the same effect by building enough depots along the line?
11:54:23 <Gonozal_VIII> i don't think that's good
11:54:43 <Gonozal_VIII> lots of unneeded checks then
11:54:51 <Prof_Frink> jez9999: The potential problem with that is: it may be only five squares *to* the depot, but how many sqaures is it to get back to the mainline in the right direction?
11:54:56 <Gonozal_VIII> once a day is enough
11:55:23 <Frostregen> ok, depends on train speed
11:55:39 <Gonozal_VIII> you have to place your depots right or just use depot orders
11:55:41 <Alberth> Prof_Frink: Isn't that happening now as well?
11:56:48 <jez9999> so getting back on the main track wouldnt be a problem
11:56:53 <jez9999> maybe within 3 squares, i could say
11:56:55 <jez9999> it could be configurable
11:57:36 <Alberth> jez9999: What would happen with trains that never get at that junction?
11:57:53 <jez9999> i'd build enough juntions around the place (i already do) that all trains will pass at least 1
11:57:59 <jez9999> at the moment, they're mandatory
11:58:05 <jez9999> that's slowing things down with a lot of trains on the track
11:58:12 <Gonozal_VIII> that should work with the current system, no need to change
11:58:14 <jez9999> if each train had to go once every 20 days it would improve a lot
11:58:43 <Gonozal_VIII> you can't set service interval to 20... but 30 should be enough
11:59:37 <Gonozal_VIII> with the way you build that there they should automatically choose the next depot
12:00:10 <Frostregen> i would just leave it mandatory, but build it in a way which allows more throughput
12:00:32 <Alberth> could you elaborate on "slowing things down"? Maybe that can be fixed by a different layout
12:00:41 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, the sidetracks should at least be as long as the trains
12:01:08 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: the trouble with that is, if the next destination available to them is their next station, i want them to go to that even if they're due their next service
12:01:29 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: currently if they are past 30 days they won't go to the station, they'll turn around somewhere and waste time going to a depot
12:01:42 <jez9999> i want them to simply stop at the next station they get to when they're due their service
12:01:55 <Gonozal_VIII> you could give them service at orders for every depot along the line
12:02:41 <jez9999> Frostregen: well yeah but even with that, EVERY train has to slow down and service
12:02:50 <jez9999> the fact that they're having to service maybe too often slows them down
12:02:52 <Gonozal_VIII> not with service at orders
12:02:58 <Frostregen> you want them to service!?
12:03:22 <jez9999> but if i have lots of mandatory service depots, some will no doubt service too often
12:03:41 <Gonozal_VIII> use service at orders, change the signal direction on the straight track
12:03:52 <Gonozal_VIII> then everything should work fine
12:04:18 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: eh? not really, the train will still service every time round
12:04:25 <jez9999> you don't want to have to specify 'service at' at all
12:04:27 <Gonozal_VIII> they will skip the service at order if they don't need it
12:05:12 <jez9999> so what we need is a patch that kind of automatically puts 'service at' orders in
12:05:20 <jez9999> difficult to write i suppose
12:05:38 <Gonozal_VIII> don't be so lazy :P
12:05:49 <Frostregen> hmm, first thing would be some better breakdown code ;)
12:06:02 <Frostregen> (which resets on service. not on breakdown)
12:06:11 <jez9999> Frostregen: btw how tough do you think that bridge thing would be with the copy/paste patch?
12:06:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that bridge thing?
12:06:40 <Frostregen> just a fallback routine
12:06:56 <Frostregen> just some work fiddeling out the constraints
12:07:39 <jez9999> the bridges on my junctions are all so small anyway that any bridge type could be built for them
12:07:39 <Frostregen> but first comes this signal stuff
12:07:53 <Frostregen> there is a minimum length too
12:07:58 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways, leave your tracks as they are, change signal direction on the straight track to allow them to pass through and add service at order for every depot they pass by and it should work just fine
12:08:29 <jez9999> Gonozal_VIII: i know but that's annyoyingly hard work ;-) and requires me to update all trains orders if i add a service depot, very annoying
12:08:44 <jez9999> i have to figure out which trains are going past it, and add it to their orders
12:08:52 <Gonozal_VIII> don't you use shared orders?
12:09:06 <jez9999> only for trains on the same route
12:09:52 <Frostregen> so just use mandatory, and live with some trains servicing too often ;)
12:10:17 <jez9999> just be nice to have the functionality i specified above, it would be perfect
12:10:25 <jez9999> trains servicing at exactly the right time, but most passing straight thru
12:10:44 <Gonozal_VIII> i told you how to get that :P
12:10:51 <jez9999> without having to spacify manually ;-)
12:11:31 <Frostregen> high-throughput mandatory conserves train order, and train distance to each other. You never have a train slowing down another train due to servicing
12:11:37 <Gonozal_VIII> they do it on their own too, only problem there is that they don't check if they can reach their next destination if they service there
12:12:17 <jez9999> Frostregen: yeah but you have a train slowing down itself due to servicing ;-) thanks for the diagram tho, i'll probably save a copy/paste of that
12:12:51 <Gonozal_VIII> anyways, servicing every 20 days seems to be way too much
12:13:13 <jez9999> but the default of 150 is no good, breakdowns too often
12:13:19 <Frostregen> if my thought are correct this does not limit line throughput, just time needed to arrive
12:13:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Frostregen> but first comes this signal stuff <- wasn't your MiniIN version already capable of copying PBS signals?
12:13:33 <jez9999> time is everything :-)
12:13:34 <Gonozal_VIII> watch the reliability percentage
12:14:29 <jez9999> Frostregen: it doesnt support PBS copying?
12:14:36 <jez9999> i have a copy/paste with PBS signals in it
12:15:39 <Frostregen> it is a basic problem...
12:16:15 <Frostregen> signaltype are rebuilt by clicking ctrl+buildsignal
12:16:25 <Frostregen> a fixed number of times
12:16:43 <Frostregen> if you use the new pbs patch, you can change the cycle order
12:16:54 <Frostregen> thus corrupting my approach
12:17:26 <Frostregen> back then there was no functionality to build a given type directly
12:17:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... you could change that cycle temporarily
12:17:36 <Frostregen> this has been introduced by signal-gui
12:17:52 <Frostregen> so it is no problem now
12:17:55 <Gonozal_VIII> directly is better than cycling
12:18:10 <Gonozal_VIII> only one command :-)
12:18:12 <Frostregen> i just need to do it ;)
12:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, it is probably the better approach ;)
12:18:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i understand that your patch is older ;)
12:32:19 <jez9999> omg, i just paid 1.1million to 'prospect' for a coal mine and... nothing happpened
12:32:38 <jez9999> does it just take 1.1 million if you cant build one? surtely prospecting should be a lot cheaper
12:32:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is the point of prospecting
12:32:46 <mrfrenzy> not all prospects work out in the end ;)
12:33:03 <jez9999> that's incredibly expensive for prospecting though, building i can understand but prospecting should be like 1/10th of the price
12:33:08 <jez9999> otherwise it's never going to be worth it
12:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause2> are you kidding? building is the cheapest of all
12:33:29 <pax``> Is there a way to make openttd run in a particular resolution? It's not comfortable to run 800x600 and 1024*768 is too much in height for my widescreen monitor to play in a window
12:33:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> finding the ressources is the expensive part
12:34:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> pax``: "resolution = 1680,988" in the .cfg
12:34:31 <Frostregen> pax: just resize the window?
12:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause2> but i just maximise the window
12:35:38 <pax``> Should've tried the most obvious before asking >.<
12:35:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> that is common these days ;)
12:36:53 <pax``> Weird though, I remember trying resizing and that it wouldn't work... Now it has quirks but works... Maximising works great though
12:37:25 <pax``> The screen starts flickering while resizing
12:37:49 <pax``> Nevermind it's not an issue now that I've been introduced to the mighty maximise button >.<
12:39:53 <Frostregen> hm, yapp changes meaning of CmdBuildSingleSignal p1 bit 7
12:40:46 <Frostregen> so there can't be one version of my code for both :(
12:42:19 <pax``> Is there something besides the visual difference of having either 2 railstations one beside the other and one large with 2 railroads in it?
12:43:31 <Frostregen> and trains cannot choose the other station
12:45:47 <pax``> Hmm... Choose as in when they try to pathfind? Catchment as in how far the station can transfer goods to/from?
12:46:48 <Frostregen> if you order a train to load at a station, it will use any free platform of exactly this station
12:47:05 <Frostregen> it will never use a platform of an adjacent but different station
12:48:01 <Frostregen> this is useful for separating loading bays at farms for example. (one for grain, one for cattle)
12:49:15 <Frostregen> yes, i use waypoints too
12:49:22 <Gonozal_VIII> but waypoints on a diagonal line suck, there should be diagonal waypoints
12:49:30 <Frostregen> but nonetheless it is a possibility ;)
12:50:05 <SmatZ> and diagonal tunnels and bridges
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12:50:39 <pax``> Just make 3d non-tile based ttd and get it over with =p
12:50:45 <Gonozal_VIII> hehe, hexagonal tiles
12:50:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Gonozal_VIII> but waypoints on a diagonal line suck, there should be diagonal waypoints <-- problem is, you need two waypoints on the same tile
12:51:21 <Gonozal_VIII> you could disallow that...
12:51:29 <Prof_Frink> Or, do away with phyical waypoints altogether
12:52:15 <Gonozal_VIII> rather make them like routemarkers
12:52:59 <Gonozal_VIII> that would be best imho, then you could place them on every tile, even on one with signals
12:53:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> what _i_ need with waypoints is conditional destionations... "go via 'Platform 1' OR 'Platform 3'"
12:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> [whichever is free]
12:54:25 <Gonozal_VIII> that could be done with connected waypoints...
12:54:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only if i want to have fixed sets
12:55:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> i could want to send another train to "'Platform 3' OR 'Platform 4'"
12:55:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> the number of combinations is exponential
12:55:45 <Prof_Frink> Or, on the coord-system, be able to drag a rectangle as a waypoint - "Go via 125,482:126,473"
12:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> rectangle wouldn't be enough to say "every odd platform"
12:56:48 <Prof_Frink> Yeah, you'd need to be able to use arbitrary shapes
12:57:28 <Gonozal_VIII> 125,482:126,473;130,482
12:57:39 <Gonozal_VIII> with the ; as or :-)
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12:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> i'd still prefer a textual representation of the waypoint
12:59:45 <Gonozal_VIII> trackbits would be needed too...
13:00:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> don't go there ;)
13:00:12 <Frostregen> [13:53:43] <Prof_Frink> "Go via 125,482" -> or make it an area
13:00:21 <Gonozal_VIII> it's quite different to use the right or the left track
13:00:29 <Prof_Frink> Frostregen: [12:55:44] < Prof_Frink> Or, on the coord-system, be able to drag a rectangle as a waypoint - "Go via 125,482:126,473"
13:04:56 <Sacro> >< why is x-chat widescreening my text
13:05:03 <Sacro> ITS A 16:9 SCREEN DAMNIT
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13:07:55 <pax``> valuables are only transportable between banks?
13:08:31 <pax``> =( There's only one bank on the map right now...
13:08:32 <Gonozal_VIII> and ecs tourist centers
13:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> there is also a minimum distance to discourage transporting back to the same bank
13:12:01 <jez9999> is there a patch that allows mass-upgrading of railroad trains to monorail trains?
13:12:24 <jez9999> maybe something like, when you convert track type on a depot, it upgrades all train engines inside to the best possible monorail vehicle?
13:12:35 <jez9999> otherwise it's virtually impossible to convert a large network's track type
13:12:58 <Frostregen> it just takes one or two years
13:13:17 <mrfrenzy> problem for me is finding a good grf set that has trains for all cargo on all traintypes
13:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> are there even grf sets with monorail?
13:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: problem is, the wagons also have to be converted
13:14:57 <Frostregen> since speed changes you have to accomodate for less needed trains anyway
13:15:04 <pax``> Will it make a city grow larger if I only transfer passangers to it, one way?
13:15:14 <jez9999> not likely, i have 90 trains
13:15:19 <jez9999> unless you mean 1 or 2 years of real time :-D
13:15:29 <Frostregen> nope, you just need a good system
13:16:02 <Frostregen> send all trains to depot. then go to all loading stations, one after another.
13:16:08 <Frostregen> click on trainlist
13:16:30 <Gonozal_VIII> keep one train of every shared orders group, send it to a depot, sell it, upgrade depot, buy a new train
13:16:43 <Frostregen> build a maglev/mono train which will replace those, then clone enough and start them
13:17:05 <jez9999> and how do you get them to run on railtrack
13:17:21 <Frostregen> convert the track first
13:17:26 <Eddi|zuHause2> the system is very easy... build new depot next to old depot, open both windows
13:17:29 <Frostregen> (after sending to depot)
13:17:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> (build new train, share/copy orders with old train, sell old train)*
13:18:12 <Frostregen> eddi: this approach takes more time, since you need to check all depots
13:18:23 <Frostregen> and replace every single train
13:18:42 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: compare ttdpatch: upgrade depot, sell train, buy train, buy wagons, go
13:18:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> well, you have a list of all trains
13:18:54 <jez9999> frost: on many loading stations, i have several different train types
13:18:58 <jez9999> this complicates things greatly
13:19:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: i think there was a patch that allowed this
13:19:14 <jez9999> nah, i need to write some patch that autoconverts trains in depots when upgrading track type
13:19:23 <Gonozal_VIII> prof frink, it's almost the same in open
13:19:41 <Gonozal_VIII> sell train, upgrade depot, buy train, train has old orders
13:19:59 <jez9999> you should always have an equivalent engine and wagon for each type of old engine and wagon, shouldn't you?
13:20:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: only works with only one train inside the depot
13:20:24 <Eddi|zuHause2> some sets disallow freight transportation with maglev
13:20:32 <Gonozal_VIII> that's why i said keep one of each shared orders group
13:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only allow passengers/mail/goods/valuables
13:21:07 <jez9999> Eddi|zuHause2: well presumably you could detect that there is no equivalent?
13:21:17 <jez9999> in that case just popup an error saying 'couldnt convert all trains'
13:21:45 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12368 /trunk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): -Codechange: use explicit body for loops and conditions and remove -Wno-empty-body from the configure script
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13:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would be the same with replacing rail->maglev
13:23:26 <Frostregen> or maybe you would have to specify a replacement for each existing engine/wagon combo, before conversion
13:24:03 <Frostregen> (just those which are currently used ingame)
13:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: link also applies to you
13:24:52 <jez9999> Frostregen: damn newGRF :-)
13:25:01 <jez9999> well i dont use newgrf, so i'd probably just write s patch for the default stuff
13:25:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: just don't expect this to get into any official build ;)
13:25:45 <jez9999> the buggy current autoreplace is in the official build
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13:26:17 <Frostregen> eddi: no, i said "specify a replacement for any used train/wagon combo beforehand"
13:26:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> it's a bjarnism, that is no comparison ;)
13:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: still, replacing happens one by one
13:27:20 <Prof_Frink> diseasel multiple unit
13:27:38 <jez9999> what does multiple unit mean?
13:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> 1. replace engine
13:27:47 <Eddi|zuHause2> 2. try to apply wagons to engine
13:28:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> [4. replace first wagon ...]
13:28:35 <Frostregen> this is the current autoreplace system
13:28:59 <Frostregen> not the one which would be needed for semi-auto tracktype conversion
13:29:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> problem is that you cannot test multiple replacements in a row
13:29:22 <Frostregen> which would have an exact target consist, for every given consist
13:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> and rollback in case it fails
13:29:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, that is not needed
13:29:41 <glx> autoreplace needs yet another full rewrite
13:29:47 <jez9999> hmm, is there, like, 1 function that's currently used for autoreplace?
13:29:56 <jez9999> i'm just thinking that this functionality could just hook into that
13:30:01 <jez9999> then when autoreplace is fixed this will be too
13:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> it would also be overcomplicated to specify complete consists
13:30:02 <Yorick> grep -r "autoreplace" * ;)
13:30:23 <Eddi|zuHause2> and still there is no way to replace more than one single vehicle at a time [command wise]
13:30:37 <Maedhros> Yorick: you'd probably want a -i in there, too ;)
13:31:13 <Yorick> noone writes "AutoReplace"...
13:31:27 <glx> autorenew uses autoreplace too
13:31:59 <jez9999> when you convert a depot's railtype, it can check to see if any stopped rail vehicles are there
13:32:06 <jez9999> if they are, it can hook into the autoreplace for each of them
13:32:19 <jez9999> somehow figuring out an equivalent replacement engine and wagon for the new track type :-)
13:32:22 <Maedhros> glx: out of interest, how many rewrites has autoreplace already had?
13:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> Frostregen: what is needed is a vehicle sandbox, where you can assemble the new train without money-constraints, then test if the consist can be started, then test if the money suffices
13:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: not needed, you can just upgrade the depot, and then use the "replace" button in the depot to upgrade the trains
13:34:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> only disallow all trains that are not of the correct railtype to be started
13:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause2> [which should already be implemented]
13:35:48 <jez9999> Eddi|zuHause2: you cant upgrade the depot with trains of a different track type inside?
13:35:57 <jez9999> you get 'train in the way'
13:36:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> jez9999: that is a one-liner ;)
13:36:19 <jez9999> "disallow all trains that are not of the correct railtype to be started"
13:36:22 <jez9999> hmm, interesting idea
13:36:30 <glx> like you can't upgrade a track with a running train
13:36:49 <jez9999> but depots are fundamentally different
13:36:59 <jez9999> trains 'disappear' inside a depot
13:37:02 <glx> they are tracks internaly
13:37:09 <jez9999> yeah, thought they might be :-\
13:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> glx: afaik rail->electric is allowed with train
13:37:45 <jez9999> i've upgraded rail-electric with tracks
13:38:43 <glx> jez9999: and you may have missing catenries
13:39:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> it was disallowed in the beginning, but there were too many complaints
13:39:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> so it got allowed
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13:57:34 <jez9999> another thing i wanted to ask
13:58:01 <jez9999> has anyone written a patch to filter out companies on the 'view company-coloured stuff' map?
13:58:56 <jez9999> ie. when you go onto the map and view the 'land owners' option, you can select which company's land gets coloured
14:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you mean similar to filtering industries?
14:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> that should be easy
14:05:24 <jez9999> seemed quite obvious given the industry filtering so i wondered if anyone had written a patch for it
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14:05:39 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have not seen it
14:09:52 <Gonozal_VIII> they forgot the fireball
14:11:07 <Gekz> would you rather be a large man with a small penis, or a small man with a large penis?
14:11:46 <SmatZ> I don't get why he has 2 helmets on his head
14:12:01 <Gonozal_VIII> because it's xtra dangerous there
14:13:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i found the missing Link
14:13:42 <SmatZ> between "apes" and human?
14:13:51 <Gonozal_VIII> isn't that the zelda guy?
14:14:38 <Link> i actually heard this name before i found it that there was a game called zelda...
14:14:47 <Gonozal_VIII> i never mindeded at all
14:15:05 <Yorick> I think the whole chatting stuff should be redone...e.g. [all] chat and other chat types seperated, colors
14:15:24 <Link> Is there anywhere i can find a manual for rail lights ? :P
14:15:40 <Gonozal_VIII> when they are green, trains move
14:15:43 <Link> it always gets fucked up when i use them..
14:16:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> use the yapp signals, they are much more natural ;)
14:16:37 <Yorick> how about redrawing the LA window when the rating changes :o
14:17:01 <Eddi|zuHause2> Yorick: provide a patch ;)
14:17:06 <Link> oh its called signal not rail lights ^^
14:17:58 * Yorick wants that programmable signals
14:25:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> you have strange eyes
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14:26:47 <DEFACKTwalker> is anyome here?
14:27:24 <Yorick> and the 103 others aren't here either
14:27:25 <murr4y> no i haven't seen anyome in a while
14:32:55 <Eddi|zuHause2> this is ever so funny ;)
14:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause2> "hi, is this the maths channel, where you can ask about maths?"
14:33:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> "no, this is a CS-Clan channel called 'maths'"
14:35:44 <BrDead> I just can't understand why there are so many ircnets for open source communities, isn't just one enough?
14:36:20 <BrDead> I knew freenode already, I heard about OFTC first time when I joined here :)
14:36:33 <BrDead> and probably there are many others too
14:37:38 <SmatZ> BrDead: maybe #oftc is a good place where to ask
14:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> this "isn't just one enough" comes up ever so often all over the place
14:38:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> openttd vs. ttdpatch
14:38:30 <Eddi|zuHause2> oftc vs. freenode
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14:38:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, i was getting to that ;)
14:39:23 <BrDead> SmatZ: maybe, I was just wondering... :)
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14:39:58 <BrDead> I'm not a linux geek but maybe that's the reason why I can't find that so reasonable :)
14:40:46 <SmatZ> BrDead: it has a good side - IRC servers limit the number of channels you can join...
14:40:57 <SmatZ> when you are at more networks, you can join more channels :)
14:41:30 <SmatZ> Yorick: yes, at least quakenet had limit ~25 channels
14:41:42 <SmatZ> I don't remember, but I know I reached it...
14:41:53 <SmatZ> though you can connect under multiple nicks :)
14:42:41 <Yorick> they block that for my IP
14:42:45 <BrDead> SmatZ: yeah, but I think that if you have a need to join more than 25 channels you might have some other problems too than that :D
14:43:32 <BrDead> meaning that in that point getting a life would be a better solution :)
14:43:44 <SmatZ> BrDead: well... probably it is this way for historical reasons (that I don't know :-)
14:44:11 <BrDead> SmatZ: in most cases that's the way
14:44:34 <Yorick> what happenes if I do p->Recv_uint8(); while there isn't anything to Recv anymore?
14:44:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> <SmatZ> though you can connect under multiple nicks :) <- except if you use t-online ;)
14:45:36 <SmatZ> Yorick: probably it will wait
14:46:25 <Yorick> is there any way to check if there is anything to recv then?
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14:52:04 <SmatZ> NetworkReceive() uses select()
14:52:39 <SmatZ> to check if there is any packet waiting
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15:04:31 <Yorick> I just broke something
15:05:13 <Yorick> I broke everything that has to do with PACKET_CLIENT_SET_NAME
15:05:31 <Yorick> and I'm not sure about the cause yet
15:05:43 <Yorick> the client list just fails with a spritecache error
15:06:36 <Gonozal_VIII> that's what you use if something is broken
15:06:58 <Yorick> it fails to transmit the first char
15:07:14 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, just cast everything to void* and you never have type errors anymore ;)
15:07:45 <Yorick> it swapped the name and the language somehow, I think
15:07:54 <Yorick> how much can a packet actually contain?
15:08:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> truebrain is the network expert, i believe
15:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause2> @seen truebrain
15:08:50 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause2: truebrain was last seen in #openttd 4 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <TrueBrain> night :)
15:09:13 <Yorick> now try /whois TrueBrain on the other hand
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15:13:31 <Alberth> Yorick: I think it can; it depends on the MTU, which is for my eth0 1500
15:14:18 <Alberth> Yorick: although I don't know whether that number includes or excludes checksums etc
15:14:28 <Yorick> so it could be not-possible?
15:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> MTU should have nothing to do with it... larger high-level packets are just split into several low-level packets
15:16:38 <Alberth> Wikipedia says it is without, ie you have MTU bytes available for use
15:16:55 <Alberth> Eddi: Not if you are using UDP
15:17:56 <Eddi|zuHause2> you deserve a giant slap for this unqualified statement
15:18:09 * Yorick slaps Alberth's bottom and grins cheekily
15:20:06 <Alberth> Well, you started over packet sizes... :P
15:20:56 <Alberth> s/over/talking about/
15:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Der Wolf, das Lamm ... HURZ
15:22:57 <Yorick> :o wait-wrong order of recv-ing
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15:23:56 <Alberth> So the network is byte order-preserving :)
15:26:12 <glx> and it is endian safe too
15:27:28 <Eddi|zuHause2> a friend of mine had huge endian issues when trying to construct a CRC for his packet (on an FPGA)
15:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause2> he somehow had to reverse the bytes
15:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause2> and then he had to reverse the bits in each nibble
15:28:03 <Prof_Frink> Eddi|zuHause2: Huge Endian? Is that like Big Endian, but biggerer?
15:28:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes, bigerererer
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15:33:58 <Yorick> I don't know what to think of that :o
15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Wenn früh am Morgen die Werkssirene dröhnt
15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # und die Stechuhr beim Stechen lustvoll stöhnt.
15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # In der Montagehaale die Neonsonne strahlt,
15:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause2> # und der Gabelstaplerfahrer mit der Stapelgabel prahlt.
15:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> # Ja dann wird wieder in die Hände gespuckt,
15:35:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> # wir steigern das Bruttosozialprodukt
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15:38:21 <Yorick> if (ci->client_name != client_name) { <-- this check at DEF_SERVER_RECEIVE_COMMAND(PACKET_CLIENT_SET_NAME) somehow fails
15:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> comparing strings by addresses?
15:41:12 <Yorick> would strcmp work therE?
15:41:27 <Eddi|zuHause2> str<something>cmp
15:42:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> there are a million different versions...
15:43:25 <Yorick> doesn't strcmp just work?
15:43:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> Gonozal_VIII: sounds like a google translation or something ;)
15:43:56 <Gonozal_VIII> there are even words left untranslated^^
15:45:44 <Eddi|zuHause2> but it's surely one of the greatest songs ever ;)
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16:00:27 <UnderBuilder> I tried to enter maarten's server and I get connection lost in joining
16:05:06 <Rubidium> sounds like a sucky connection somewhere
16:05:19 <UnderBuilder> mine is 256k down
16:07:01 <Rubidium> sucky being lots of dropped packets and such
16:07:42 * Gonozal_VIII drops a packet at rubidiums head
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16:09:07 <Gonozal_VIII> dropping packets is bad for the connection...
16:10:28 <Gonozal_VIII> woa, sp season 12
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16:21:43 <Devedse> can someone help me with setting up a server
16:24:01 <Devedse> can u help me with setting up a server
16:24:29 <Devedse> can someone help me a litle setting up a server
16:24:51 <SmatZ> Devedse: don't ask to ask, ask
16:25:58 <Devedse> i want to run a server with the cfg file: c:/ded.cfg and that automatically loads the saved file: c:/ttdsave/online.sav. de server should nevah reset or something and only be private for me and my friend
16:26:31 <Devedse> so it has to be protected with the password (lets say): hello
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16:29:04 <Devedse> ah man i post it on the form
16:29:58 <yorick> no, you don't ask anything
16:29:59 <SpComb> patience is undervalued
16:31:27 <Purno> are you able / willing to host a 24/7 openttd server in future?
16:31:40 <yorick> willing: yes, able: no
16:32:54 <Rubidium> yorick: reading with (packet)->Recv_* when there is nothing left in the packet will terminate the connection
16:35:40 <Rubidium> well, if you don't know the data that is in the packet there's something wrong with the protocol (imo)
16:36:11 <yorick> I want to check if clients are patched or not
16:36:38 <Eddi|zuHause2> patch all clients or none
16:36:58 <yorick> thats not always possible
16:37:41 <Eddi|zuHause2> yes it is, just include the patch in the official build ;)
16:37:56 <yorick> thats not always possible
16:38:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> it is for patches that make sense ;)
16:39:26 <yorick> like distributing grf's, makes sense, but not included
16:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause2> gnah... i just tried to write [ESC]:wq in kate :p
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16:40:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, there are reasons for not doing it
16:40:15 <Eddi|zuHause2> they have been brought up multiple times
16:40:31 <Eddi|zuHause2> just look up the discussions
16:41:32 <Eddi|zuHause2> main opposing reasons are typically varying license issues, and outdated grf versions
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16:43:27 <yorick> Purno: will the NS-set be finished anytime soon?
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16:50:02 <Gonozal_VIII> national socialistic set?
17:00:55 <yorick> no, "Nederlandse Spoorwegen
17:02:16 <pax``> Is it best to connect the longest possible routes? That is, rather than delivering resources from close mines go across the map to find one far away?
17:02:38 <yorick> depends on cargo payment factors
17:02:52 <Gonozal_VIII> you get more money per tonne that way
17:03:06 <mrfrenzy> the one way trip shouldn't take more than approx 140 days
17:03:16 <mrfrenzy> depending on what cargo
17:03:22 <mrfrenzy> for some cargoes its as low as 90 days
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17:05:01 <pax``> I usually get the rating of the station drop very low and the AI players block resources tapping to my station if I don't have trains coming in frequently... Any way to prevent that?
17:05:47 <yorick> if crash, learn how to make signals
17:06:31 <Gonozal_VIII> there should be enough trains that there's always one loading
17:10:41 <Journy> does anyone have any reccomendations for train sets?
17:10:55 * Journy is bored with the stock sets...
17:12:02 <Journy> i have tried the north american renewal set, and the mag lev trains at the end arent capable of running anything but goods?
17:12:17 <Gonozal_VIII> most sets have that
17:12:58 <yorick> because wagon ID's are used for nice wagons
17:13:09 <Gonozal_VIII> transporting coal at 500 km/h is not very (sorry for the bad word) realistic
17:13:46 <Gonozal_VIII> nah... i don't think that will happen in the future
17:13:50 <glx> and imagine how the coal "react" in corners
17:14:15 <Journy> so umm all sets are like that?
17:14:15 <De_Ghosty> why are we transporting coal in the future?
17:14:24 <Gonozal_VIII> it just doesn't make sense to transport cheap mass goods very fast
17:14:32 <Journy> because coal will still be a very cheap energy source in the future
17:14:43 <Journy> 2050 isnt that far in the future anyways...
17:14:46 <De_Ghosty> coal is not really that cheap anymore
17:15:03 <yorick> [18:13] <Gonozal_VIII> transporting coal at 500 km/h is not very (sorry for the bad word) realistic, transporting pax at 500km/h, however, is!
17:15:18 <Slowpoke> coal is cheaper that some years back
17:15:43 <Gonozal_VIII> pax care about speed, coal doesn't
17:16:07 <mrfrenzy> yorick: there already are working trains that go 500 km/h
17:16:22 <Journy> isnt the speed record 580?
17:16:24 <mrfrenzy> It's not unrealistic at all that they will be common in 2020
17:16:49 <Journy> oddly enough China has a few maglevs...
17:17:36 <Journy> ok so, how hard is it for me to add in a coal car for maglevs?
17:17:43 <Gonozal_VIII> there could also be vacuum maglev networks with 5000 km/h or simmilar stuff but i don't think something like that will be used for freight
17:18:01 <Journy> nah only intercontinental transport im sure.
17:18:34 <Gonozal_VIII> global network :-)
17:18:43 <Gonozal_VIII> could replace planes
17:18:53 <yorick> well...we have a kinda european network
17:19:02 <mrfrenzy> I would like to see in the future different multiplayer games interconnected like continents
17:19:14 <yorick> with transfer and take goods
17:19:27 <Gonozal_VIII> that won't happen
17:20:03 <Journy> erm... so whats the best train sets?
17:20:17 <Journy> is the US renewal set pretty decent?
17:20:20 <Gonozal_VIII> you already got a lot of answers
17:20:33 <Sacro> how do i compile openttd for windows on linux
17:20:47 <Purno> <<yorick>> Purno: will the NS-set be finished anytime soon? <-- it will be finished anytime, yes
17:20:50 <Sacro> ./configure --build=i486-mingw32 works
17:20:55 <Sacro> but make fails when using strgen
17:21:17 <Journy> ok how about another question, how different are the nightly builds from the most recent release?
17:21:31 <De_Ghosty> 2007 - France - TGV - 574.8 km/h
17:21:36 <De_Ghosty> u don't even need the future
17:21:54 <Sacro> glx: i tried that and it failed too
17:22:04 <Sacro> then tried again, and it seems happier :D
17:23:23 <Sacro> installing mingw32-freetype now
17:23:50 <glx> disable fontconfig (not needed for win32)
17:24:14 * yorick goes on with his ficl patch
17:24:15 <glx> freetype != fontconfig anyway
17:24:27 <Sacro> well it disposed of the wrnings
17:24:54 <yorick> yes, I've named it "FICL", "Flags In Client List"
17:25:13 <Sacro> i don't think it installed mingw32-libpng
17:27:22 <Journy> guys also, with the US renewal set some of my trains travel by rail slower than the states maximum speed they have, one of my trains says maximum speed 110 mph, but max's out at 60 mph, is there a reason for this?
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17:28:43 <yorick> disable them using the patches if you don't like it
17:29:11 <Journy> im really new to this game, is there a place to find all these patches?
17:29:56 <yorick> 3rd button from the right on main-toolbar, keep-pressed and select Configure Patches
17:31:30 <Journy> is this a standard patch though?
17:31:53 <yorick> Vehicles->Enable wagon speed limits
17:34:26 <yorick> but is there anyone that can help m?
17:39:32 <peter1138> Not much use without it...
17:41:06 <Sacro> Unknown Option --disable-sdl
17:41:19 <Sacro> tis using /usr/include/SDL
17:41:54 <Sacro> should be using /usr/i486-ming32/include
17:42:36 <Gonozal_VIII> what about that yorick?
17:43:04 <yorick> they suggest that chrissicom should go working with you on maintaining a patchpack
17:44:33 <yorick> hmm...can uint8's be negative?
17:45:09 <yorick> uint6 doesn't exist, does it?
17:45:27 <Gonozal_VIII> wouldn't make sense
17:46:04 <Sacro> i think it's lacking g++ :(
17:46:27 <Gonozal_VIII> you could combine 6 booleans^^
17:46:41 <Sacro> its)]+0x183d): undefined reference to `operator delete[](void*)'
17:46:41 <Sacro> yapf/yapf_ship.o:yapf_ship.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowShipTI16CYapfShip_TypesTI10CYapfShip313CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType2ELb0EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfShipNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi16ELi20EEEE15ChooseShipTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection9TrackBits[CYapfFollowShipT<CYapfShip_TypesT<CYapfShip3, CFollowTrackT<(TransportType)2, false>, CNodeList_HashTableT<CYapfShipNodeT<CYapfNodeKeyTrackDir>, 16, 20> > >::ChooseShipTrack(Vehicle*, u
17:46:48 <Sacro> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
17:46:49 <yorick> or I could combine uint4 with 2 bools?
17:47:14 <yorick> but that way, I would look crazy
17:47:34 <Gonozal_VIII> you mean even crazier?
17:49:16 <Gonozal_VIII> int4 :-) -8 to 7 :-)
17:50:03 <peter1138> Used in some of the NFO spec...
17:51:55 <yorick> if (strcmp (ci->client_name, client_name) == 0) { is always true :(
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17:56:53 <Gonozal_VIII> why not ! instead of that == 0 stuff?
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17:58:45 <ln> in someone's opinion at least
17:59:11 <Gonozal_VIII> what about if(somebool == true)
17:59:18 <ln> ben the builder -- can we fix it!
18:00:38 <Sacro> how do i stop it finding SDL >M
18:00:59 <Purno> how can I resetvehicles in openttd?
18:01:23 <Purno> resetengines, ok, how can I do it?
18:02:01 <Purno> how can I open the console?
18:02:04 <Gonozal_VIII> thingy above tab
18:02:12 <Purno> key wasn't really responding
18:02:54 <Sacro> i can get the ./configure --build=i486-mingw32 --enable-sdl=/usr/i486-mingw32-bin/sdl-config
18:03:03 <Gonozal_VIII> oh noes, another ee
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18:03:34 <Sacro> yapf/yapf_ship.o:yapf_ship.cpp:(.text$_ZN16CYapfFollowShipTI16CYapfShip_TypesTI10CYapfShip313CFollowTrackTIL13TransportType2ELb0EE20CNodeList_HashTableTI14CYapfShipNodeTI20CYapfNodeKeyTrackDirELi16ELi20EEEE15ChooseShipTrackEP7Vehiclej13DiagDirection9TrackBits[CYapfFollowShipT<CYapfShip_TypesT<CYapfShip3, CFollowTrackT<(TransportType)2, false>, CNodeList_HashTableT<CYapfShipNodeT<CYapfNodeKeyTrackDir>, 16, 20> > >::ChooseShipTrack(Vehicle*, u
18:03:36 <Gonozal_VIII> i was worried there
18:03:46 <Gonozal_VIII> invasion and stuff
18:03:59 <Sacro> it doesn't like `operator delete[](void*)
18:04:40 <Purno> I did reset engines, but I still can't build e-rails, while I should
18:05:09 <Gonozal_VIII> sure that there are electric engines available?
18:05:13 <Gonozal_VIII> year and climate?
18:05:19 <Purno> it's the only one which got pixel doubling, AFAIK
18:05:27 <LordAzamath> Gonozal_VIII: You dislike .ee?
18:05:32 <Purno> yes, the NS set got an EMU in 1924, current year is 1930
18:05:55 <Purno> it's a scenario, but apparantly GRF info is stored in the scenario
18:05:56 <Gonozal_VIII> i dislike invasions :P
18:06:11 <Purno> meaning I gotta enable the GRFs after the game has started, right?
18:06:52 <Gonozal_VIII> sometimes that doesn't work right
18:07:06 <Gonozal_VIII> but for vehicles it usually did for me
18:07:07 <Purno> so how do I enable these GRFs in this scneario?
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18:09:50 <Journy> ok im trying to complile Gonozal_patch_r12180
18:13:02 <Journy> BuildOTTD is so simple its confusing? why isnt it compiling the build and putting it in My OTTD builds? Does this work with vista... hmmm
18:15:01 <Prof_Frink> What's so hard about ./configure && make anyways?
18:15:21 <Journy> as in not vista's fault? or it doesnt work with vista?
18:17:00 <Gonozal_VIII> everything is vistas fault
18:17:33 <Journy> lol almost sounds like bush's fault.
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18:45:35 <peter1138> That was quite nice.
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18:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause2> <De_Ghosty> why are we transporting coal in the future? <- because oil runs out in 20-50 years, but coal runs out in 100-200 years
19:00:49 <Eddi|zuHause2> <Journy> of course coal cares. <- you can convert coal into oil, they did that a lot in the 1940s
19:01:44 <Slowpoke> they will do it again when oil ran out...
19:02:01 <Slowpoke> no plane will fly with a coal engine
19:07:41 <Slowpoke> "It was, in practice, incapable of flight since it had insufficient power from its heavy steam engine to fly."
19:07:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> hm... funny... civ4 doesn't repaint the window if it does not have focus (although it is only partially covered)
19:08:01 <yorick> where does * in front of a C variable stand for?
19:08:02 <Gonozal_VIII> read further down
19:08:13 <Eddi|zuHause2> now the music OSDs stack up ;)
19:08:16 <Gonozal_VIII> the 1848 thingy flew
19:08:26 <Slowpoke> a few meters in a hangar
19:08:37 <Gonozal_VIII> until it hit the wall
19:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause2> Slowpoke: the first airplanes had similar problems
19:09:58 <Gonozal_VIII> it gradually rose until it reached the farther end of the room, striking a hole in the canvas placed to stop it.
19:10:11 <Slowpoke> I just wanted to pount out that coal is not the best fuel to power a plane
19:10:37 <Gonozal_VIII> nobody said it was
19:11:13 <Slowpoke> and I didn't say somebody did ;)
19:15:47 <stillunknown> yorick: It's a pointer.
19:19:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> technically, the * after the type ;)
19:24:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12369 /trunk/src/ (settings.cpp train.h train_cmd.cpp): -Fix (r1681): reset train speed limits when _patches.realistic_acceleration changes
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19:27:15 <Sacro> Bjarni: Welsh mountain rescue team make art discovery in snowdonia.
19:27:17 <Sacro> They think it's a constable.
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19:38:01 <Bjarni> you want to trick me to give you my sperm or something?
19:38:39 <Gonozal_VIII> yes, tell him that he doesn't have to use tricks just for that
19:38:58 <Bjarni> actually nomatter what he offers he can never get it
19:40:12 <Bjarni> now imagine what would happen if it's used to create children with my brain and Sacro's ethics
19:40:32 <Bjarni> sounds like a horror movie
19:41:50 <Bjarni> why would I go to a festival anyway?
19:42:09 <Slowpoke> Ill start spermforchildren.com!
19:43:03 <Bjarni> ANNOUNCEMENT: somebody named Slowpoke wants to host a page called spermforchildren.com
19:44:12 <Digitalfox_> Why does strgen.exe come with the binary's of OpenTTD 0.6 betas? Needed for what?
19:44:36 <Slowpoke> I will think about that later
19:44:57 <Bjarni> I don't think I added it to the OSX betas
19:45:02 <Gonozal_VIII> just get some candy and park in front of a school
19:45:20 <Digitalfox_> Well with Windows 32bit builds it comes
19:45:59 <Bjarni> Gonozal_VIII: sounds dangerous for whoever is doing that
19:46:00 <Digitalfox_> The other builds i didn't test =0
19:48:09 <peter1138> Start up takes way too long, heh...
19:50:06 <glx> too many paths where to search for grfs (including tar files)
19:50:14 <peter1138> No, just too many GRFs.
19:50:18 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12370 /trunk/src/network/network_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#1853]: Close language drop down when parent window is clicked/closed.
19:52:07 <peter1138> Hmm, 332 currently.
19:52:39 <Digitalfox_> peter1138: You load 332 grf's at start? =0
19:52:55 <Digitalfox_> That's a record ;)
19:53:18 <glx> but openttd opens 332 grfs
19:53:19 <peter1138> I just have 332 available.
19:53:28 <peter1138> It opens each to see what's there.
19:53:51 <glx> check for duplicates, ...
19:54:28 <Digitalfox_> peter1138: And don't you find it a mess when some names aren't enough descriptive?
19:55:44 <Digitalfox_> I don't have even half of that, but i find it sometimes hard because of names not really showing what it is :|
19:56:02 <glx> they have a description field
19:56:25 <peter1138> And a path/filename.
19:56:29 <Digitalfox_> Yes but some don't have any extra info ( Old ones or unfinished versions )
19:56:52 <Digitalfox_> No newer versions :(
19:57:16 <Digitalfox_> Offcourse i could use grfcodec and add the missing description.. but...
20:00:49 <Digitalfox_> One of the reasons I fully support OpenGFX, is that there is any real replacement for a lot of graphics.. Sure there are lot's of vehicles set's, some Houses and industries, bridges, roads, etc... But a lot of sprites just don't have any replacement.. But maybe I'm just bored of original graphics and want new ones..
20:02:04 <roobi> ive got a terraforming question
20:02:44 <roobi> has someone a glue how I can lower all land by 1 in the scenario editor?
20:03:36 <planetmaker> roobi: Lower one corner and then use the level tool.
20:04:12 <planetmaker> oh... or you just want to subtract one from every height - may it as it is?
20:04:35 <Eddi|zuHause2> roobi: not easily
20:04:41 <roobi> I don't want make plain land :)
20:05:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> but why do you want to do that anyway?
20:05:35 <roobi> yes. the reason is I have a good card for the scenario, but the import-funktion makes the "ground-level" too high
20:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> roobi: the easiest way i imagine is to modify the source to change a command that it does that
20:06:52 <roobi> huu ... I'm sorry, is there somewhere a guide how to do that?
20:07:55 <roobi> Eddi .. ich sehe an Deinem Nick, da Du deutsch sprichst, richtig?
20:09:01 <roobi> I know.. should I translate?
20:09:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> by "card", do you mean a heightmap picture?
20:10:09 <Gonozal_VIII> you could change the colours in gimp
20:10:24 <Gonozal_VIII> or other image editor...
20:10:58 <Eddi|zuHause2> yeah, edit the palette (or the greyscale, depending on type of picture)
20:11:05 <roobi> good idea... I'm going to try that
20:11:53 <planetmaker> roobi: I'd open the image and subtract some gray values in a reasonable image manipulation prg
20:12:41 * planetmaker is slower than Gonozal_VIII :)
20:12:47 <Tefad> adjust contrast brightness gamma
20:13:08 <Gonozal_VIII> gamma isn't linear
20:13:13 <Tefad> sometimes i use gamma for emphasis.
20:13:37 <Gonozal_VIII> you could end up with different terrain with that
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20:13:55 <Tefad> it changes the bands depending on how you palettize
20:14:16 <Tefad> i tend to save a palette to use for ttd maps
20:14:20 <planetmaker> subtract the lowest grayscale value and then rescale to 1 byte.
20:14:20 <Tefad> evenly spaced grayscale
20:15:01 <Tefad> sometimes the elevation contours just don't feel right to me
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20:20:02 <roobi> ... I'm still trying...
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20:33:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: smatz * r12371 /trunk/src/window.cpp: -Fix [FS#1823]: do not let window hide behind the main toolbar after resizing the screen
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20:37:42 <roobi> I made greyscale and putted the brightscale down, so the land becomes flat!
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21:12:20 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12372 /trunk/src/music/win32_m.cpp: -Fix: win32 music driver fails if path contains non-latin chars
21:12:57 <Eddi|zuHause2> who invented these damn non-latin characters anyway :p
21:13:13 <Prof_Frink> glx: So I couldn't install it in C:\jgames\openttd\ then?
21:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause2> Prof_Frink: no, your comment is not funny...
21:20:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12373 /trunk/src/music/win32_m.cpp: -Fix [FS#1849]: win32 music driver fails if path is too long (128 chars is too much for mci it seems), so retry using the short path name (8.3 style) if available
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21:31:01 <Gonozal_VIII> what's with the russian stuff?
21:31:39 <glx> I still don't understand the first word :)
21:32:13 <Gonozal_VIII> those rs face the wrong direction...
21:32:42 <glx> it's miamia but I don't have it in my dictionnary
21:33:39 <HMage> it's not in the dictionary :)
21:34:03 <Gonozal_VIII> Mia Mia Jewels is a small company specialising in creating beautiful handcrafted glass jewellery
21:36:11 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: peter1138 * r12374 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Fix (r11892): Don't close a dropmenu when clicking on a dropdown widget
21:36:57 <Purno> waht does one need to run a dedicated server on a webserver?
21:38:21 <peter1138> Oh, and permission.
21:39:26 <peter1138> And another copy of TTD for the data files... probably...
21:44:52 <Ammlller> Purno: OpenTTD, Autopilot, Webconfigurator, OpenTTDlib and most important some guys to watch it.
21:45:52 <Ammlller> Purno: there are many NL-guys admin at #openttdcoop, they would like to help you too, I assume ;-)
21:46:20 <Slowpoke> is there some "sandbox"like server around? I mean some where nobody laughts at me when I fail hard and stuff ;)
21:46:30 <Purno> haven't seen them replying in the topic yet. I asked Xeryus but he didn't know anyone who could host a server
21:46:45 <Ammlller> oh, you also need a server?
21:47:26 <Purno> I need a game hosted 24/7 :P
21:47:32 <Purno> I'm a noob with this kinda stuff
21:47:55 <Ammlller> [22:36] <Purno> waht does one need to run a dedicated server on a webserver? <-- indicates you have already a webserver :-)
21:48:17 <Purno> Eh... yeah, for hosting a site... dunno if that's enough
21:48:34 <Purno> basicly, it doesn't matter where it's hosted, as long as it's hosted :P
21:48:36 <Ammlller> well, if you don't find one, you could have one at my server
21:49:03 <Purno> a 24/7 hosted openttd game?
21:49:52 <Ammlller> I guess, they aren't around yet
21:51:05 <Purno> I have no clue whatsoever what exactly is required and how it works :P
21:51:42 <Ammlller> well, it require much CPU usage if you really fill the map
21:51:59 <Ammlller> and for sure, when, PBS is there too
21:52:16 <Purno> so it's gonna be a small map?
21:53:07 <Ammlller> on coop, its 512² and about 1000 vehicels
21:53:11 <Eddi|zuHause2> people should still be able to download the map with their home dsl
21:53:19 <peter1138> 256x512 is a nice size
21:54:15 <Ammlller> if you use something like webconfigurator, its easy to change the size from time to time without ssh
21:55:16 <Ammlller> and the IRC bridge is also nice to watch the game, without running it self all the time
21:55:59 <Purno> hmm... if we'd get your offer to have one at your server, would that include your help setting the stuff up?
21:57:25 <Ammlller> yeah, but there are also other dutch guys who would like to help, I am sure.
21:58:02 <Ammlller> Admins from coop have already access to my server
21:58:07 <Purno> dunno what dutch guys to ask
21:59:08 <Purno> nah, once the Dutch Trainset is gonna be released
21:59:14 <Purno> will take *at least* a few weeks
22:00:02 <Ammlller> Well, then you have time, setting up a server needs about half an hour.
22:00:44 <Purno> any idea what dutch guys to aks to help?
22:01:10 <Purno> didn't know anyone who could help
22:02:01 <Ammlller> I thought about himself ;-)
22:02:47 <Purno> well, I guess why he didn't say that himself when I asked...
22:04:00 <Ammlller> Mike would be another one
22:04:10 <glx> I need a MSVC+TortoiseSVN user
22:04:27 <Ammlller> thats XeryusTC too :-)
22:04:42 <Purno> Mike or Mark? (or both, wasn't it a typo?)
22:05:36 <Ammlller> he is framiliar with configuration of server
22:05:57 <Ammlller> do you like to run nightlies?
22:06:11 <Purno> ehm... I don't update my openttd often
22:06:16 <Purno> so it's usually stables and betas
22:07:07 <Ammlller> and an other option is www.myottd.net, when it will be run more stable. :-)
22:08:12 <Sionide> that's a cooool idea!
22:08:24 <Sionide> if it works how i think it works
22:08:31 <Ammlller> yes, but very buggy, as it states
22:09:13 <Ammlller> and of course, really cool
22:10:08 <Sionide> so that server has a script which runs a dedicated server requested by a user giving it what version to run etc?
22:10:42 <Ammlller> yeah, you could also upload a save and play it there
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22:19:30 <Ammlller> Purno: just ask some days before you need the server, if you still don't have other server or help...
22:19:45 <Purno> will do, checking out myottd.net now
22:21:02 <Ammlller> Purno: you should specially check NewGRF support...
22:21:21 <Ammlller> sometimes, it works...
22:21:52 <Purno> I got the server running now... but about newgrfs, it wants me to upload them...
22:22:09 <Purno> that's not something I'd like to do to test an yet unrealeased grf :P
22:22:55 <peter1138> How else is it going to get the GRF?
22:23:38 <Prof_Frink> mount an sshfs share back to your computer?
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22:26:31 <Ammlller> Purno: use GRFs which are realeased already
22:26:46 <Ammlller> just to try, if it works
22:27:25 <Purno> finding out how to remove a server now...
22:27:37 <Purno> can't find a link/button to that
22:27:44 <Purno> shame, I just started 3 :o
22:27:49 <Ammlller> but you can stop them
22:27:50 <Purno> since I got some errors and stuff
22:28:03 <Ammlller> its very alpha... :P
22:43:51 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: glx * r12375 /trunk/projects/determineversion.vbs: -Fix [FS#1847]: revision detection failed to detect 64bit TortoiseSVN when ran from a 32bit MSVC on win64 system (Jafinto)
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23:15:08 <SpComb> I actually used myottd.net to play a game of OpenTTD with a friend of mine a couple weeks back
23:15:27 <SpComb> some insane fiddling with the configuration was needed (defaults were wrong), but it did work
23:17:07 <Ammller> SpComb: I had many issues with login and sessions at all
23:17:19 <Ammller> almost every request ended with an error
23:17:42 <Ammller> but somehow saved too
23:17:42 <SpComb> I fixed the one with every redirect giving you an error page
23:17:58 <SpComb> I also changed the error page so it gives the full details including stack trace
23:18:26 <SpComb> login still causes an AssertionError, I don't know how to fix that, but it doesn't actually stop you from logging in
23:20:14 <SpComb> I also tried to move it over to my new server last week, but Pylons is silly and complains about some missing depedancy that doesn't, to the best of my knoewledge, exitst
23:20:23 <SpComb> there's a package that goes under that name but as far as I can tell it works fine
23:20:42 <Ammller> something with NewGRF didn't work
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23:20:50 <Ammller> tried to setup a ECS game
23:22:50 <SpComb> hmm... you'd need to get back to me with the full error page
23:23:29 <Ammller> well, is the current version running now?
23:23:48 <SpComb> there are no seperate dev/test/prod versions, so yes
23:24:11 <Ammller> also the dev preview of mapvewer was nice :-)
23:26:40 <SpComb> although heh, it's been running the same savegame for ages, and I guess the network got stuck and the company went bankrupt
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23:46:43 <Sacro> michi_cc: i keep getting trains stuck in a terminus station, they won't turn round D:
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23:56:49 <HMage> ямям. всем спокойной ночи
23:57:18 <Gonozal_VIII> strange russian stuff again...
23:58:00 <HMage> strange stranger strangled
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