IRC logs for #openttd on OFTC at 2007-04-10
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00:12:46 <jordi> blathijs: weee, we finally made it
00:12:58 <jordi> apparently releasing a new major version helps unblocking the NEW queue :)
00:14:31 <jordi> for the rest, this means Debian now officially distributes openttd
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06:51:56 <Frostregen> hmm, bug or feature: duplicating a train allows you to get into negative money (current svn)
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08:22:49 * Maedhros considers reverting the commit that caused that, since i don't think i'm going to be able to fix it quickly
08:24:29 <Maedhros> cloning things doesn't check how much money you actually have any more
08:29:31 <MiHaMiX> Maedhros: is it so hard to fix?
08:31:13 <Maedhros> it's not easy, because refits involve newgrf callbacks, which require a vehicle
08:31:32 <Maedhros> if i had time, i could probably get it fixed, but i don't at the moment :-/
08:32:29 <peter1138> the refit cost is fixed, though
08:36:44 <Maedhros> yes, this patch almost works, except that it only applies to rail vehicles
08:37:38 <Maedhros> but what if the REFIT_VEHICLE_CAPACITY callback returns 0? if so, the vehicle won't be refitted
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08:40:11 <peter1138> so you need to do the refit and then revert, heh
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08:45:46 <TrueBrain> blathijs: what are you so happy about?! :p
08:47:54 <TrueBrain> I wish PandaMojo would stop doing that...
08:47:56 <blathijs> 02:12 #openttd: < jordi> blathijs: weee, we finally made it
08:48:25 <TrueBrain> blathijs: you reply to things long long ago :p Hehe :p
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09:01:59 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: maedhros * r9581 /trunk/src/ (command.cpp vehicle.cpp): -Revert (r9562): This broke as much as it fixed, so revert until a proper way of paying for refits when cloning can be found.
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09:06:55 <jordi> TrueBrain: Debian now has openttd in the official archive (see backlog)
09:07:08 <jordi> blathijs: next step, have it included in backports.org
09:07:47 <TrueBrain> and I did read back, after blathijs' timestamp ;)
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09:25:33 <TrueBrain> I wondre if we just should ban him
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09:33:04 <TrueBrain> I don't think you should be op :p
09:33:09 <TrueBrain> it clearly is dangarous :p
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09:33:25 <MiHaMiX> lol, i switched two arguments
09:33:39 <TrueBrain> you might also want to remove the 'secret' flag :p
09:34:04 <TrueBrain> @ban PandaMojo Please fix your client
09:34:11 <TrueBrain> bah, that isn't supported :p
09:34:20 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: TrueBrain
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09:35:28 <MiHaMiX> I used to be channel admin long ago.. but I accidentally switched two agruments at the first try.. sorry for that
09:35:42 <TrueBrain> yeah yeah, that is what they all say :p
09:36:19 <TrueBrain> it is becoming a hype!
09:39:31 <jordi> I saw exactly this last night in some other channel
09:40:08 <jordi> openttd has built on all debian architectures where it has been tried
09:40:19 <jordi> not all new (for Debian) code achieves that
09:40:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9582 /branches/0.5/ (8 files):
09:40:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9425, r9437, r9455, r9519):
09:40:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: housekeeping in convert rail functions (r9425)
09:40:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: dedicated server crashed when the y part of the resolution was less than 10 (r9437)
09:40:38 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: values of diff_custom and snow_line in .cfg weren't checked properly (r9455)
09:40:40 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: free the malloc'd variable, not the pointer to that variable (r9519)
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09:44:25 <TrueBrain> he will stop idling in this channel, and will only join if he has something useful to contribute :)
09:44:35 <TrueBrain> his connection is fucked up, poor guy
09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9583 /branches/0.5/ (ai/default/default.c economy.c players.c):
09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9529, r9533, r9540, r9541):
09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: when 2 clients joined together, the second asserted on the NewCompany command of the first (r9529)
09:49:44 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: when company is removed, sell all shares he has first, then sell all shares other people might have in this company (r9533)
09:49:46 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: bankrupt AIs no longer buy over themselves (also added safeguards to prevent in future) (r9540 / r9541)
09:57:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9584 /branches/0.5/ (6 files):
09:57:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport frmo trunk (r9542, r9565, r9573):
09:57:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: when checking for no vehicle on ground-tiles, don't take into account vehicles that are in the air (r9542)
09:57:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Feature: add list_patches to console commands; shows all patches and values (r9565)
09:57:37 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Fix: enclose settings names containing spaces with quotes (r9573)
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12:55:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: miham * r9585 /trunk/src/lang/ (romanian.txt turkish.txt):
12:55:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: -Update: WebTranslator2 update to 2007-04-10 14:52:27
12:55:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: romanian - 26 fixed, 7 changed by kneekoo (33)
12:55:16 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: turkish - 11 fixed by jnmbk (11)
12:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9586 /branches/0.5/lang/ (16 files in 2 dirs):
12:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9525, r9527, r9547, r9548, r9570, r9571, r9572, r9576):
12:58:10 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9525, r9527, r9547, r9548, r9570, r9571, r9572, r9576)
13:02:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9587 /branches/0.5/lang/ (romanian.txt turkish.txt):
13:02:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: [0.5] -Backport from trunk (r9585):
13:02:04 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: - Language updates (r9585)
13:04:47 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9588 /branches/0.5/lang/turkish.txt: [0.5] -Fix r9587: something went wrong in turkish.txt update
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13:12:18 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: truelight * r9589 /branches/0.5/lang/turkish.txt: [0.5] -Fix (r9587, r9588): this time I really do hope turkish.txt went okay...
13:17:05 <blathijs> jordi: Did you already upload 0.5.1~rc1? The first upload was 0.5.0, right?
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14:13:40 <Zuu> [noai-brach] Is there a known assertion problem with the AI_factory?
14:16:32 <jordi> blathijs: first upload was -2
14:16:46 <jordi> -2 was -1 with a changelog bump as requested by you :)
14:18:42 <Zuu> [noai-branch] Seams like there is some old stuff left on my side since rm -rf on the src-directory on my code-base solved the assertion.
14:22:25 <MeusH> is Darkvater Hungarian?
14:28:29 <MeusH> I always thought he's German
14:28:53 <MeusH> that's nice to know, Hungarians were always getting on well with Poles
14:32:21 <ln-> peter1138: i suppose because he was born to hungarian parents.
14:32:40 <Sacro> anyone in here use vi/vim?
14:32:55 <Belugas> i use Vim to clean my bath...
14:33:01 <Belugas> but i don't think it's the same thing ^^
14:33:08 <Sacro> does it have support for tables/columns?
14:33:27 <Zuu> Sacro: What sort of tables?
14:33:46 <Sacro> its a how to use document for a word processor... im too lazy to do it on ms word
14:34:29 <Sacro> create, save, open, close, moving around, viewing, cut, copy, paste, insert, delete, printing
14:35:19 <Sacro> Belugas: that looks like Jif
14:35:50 <Belugas> another continent, another brand, same product :)
14:35:50 <Zuu> Sacro: there is block-select, and block-insert, and tab-characters, but there are no magic word-tables in text-files.
14:36:33 <Sacro> Belugas: is it Unilever?
14:37:14 <Zuu> Sacro: Maybe you can find a plugin that makes something that is usefull for you out of the many plugins available at vim.org :p
14:37:49 <Sacro> now my second peice of coursework has to be done in powerpoint :(
14:38:32 <Zuu> Sacro: by the way I saw there is a comersial vim-plugin for Word. :)
14:39:28 <Belugas> dunno, Sacro, i'm not toom uch into commercial product lineage :)
14:40:07 <Sacro> he plugin script table_format.vim is a text formatting tool. It
14:40:07 <Sacro> arranges words or groups of words on consecutive lines into a neatly
14:41:56 <Sacro> hmm, how to get a spellchecker, thesaurus and grammer checker in vim :)
14:42:26 <hylje> find spellchecker, grammar and thesaurus plugins
14:43:02 <Sacro> but i can't find grammer or thesaurus
14:43:07 <Sacro> vim7 has a spellchecker
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14:53:24 <Zuu> Sacro: Unless you are looking for english your language-files might not be included in the distribution of vim. I'm not sure how I did get Swedish, but then I think I've sellected the vim-full package in apt.
14:54:32 <Zuu> If you want to have F8 for switching spellchecker on/of:
14:56:58 <Sacro> hmm, it now highlights misspelt words
15:01:18 <Ailure> [16:04] <Ailure> durrr
15:01:29 <Ailure> annoyed on a stupid classmate who have no idea how SVN works
15:01:35 <Ailure> despite that we have to use it
15:01:46 <Ailure> and that we went through it severeal lectures before and even with the group on a meeting he wasn't on dsaf
15:02:06 <Ailure> and he makes reduant suggestions
15:02:18 <Ailure> such as having backups of older revisions before we overwrite stuff x.o
15:02:28 <Ailure> There's rollback for a reason
15:22:28 <Zuu> TrueBrain: Is there a reson why IsValidTile no longer works if the argument is equal to null? It simplifies many if-statements if the IsValid..-functions accept null as argument 1.
15:23:19 <Zuu> (They should ofcourse return false if null is sent as argument.)
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15:38:05 <peter1138> IsValidTile takes a TileIndex, which can't be NULL
15:41:03 <Zuu> A week ago it worked to send NULL to IsValidTile.. but maybe that is more a language-related thing.
15:41:42 <Zuu> I'm currently trying to make it work on a current revsion. :)
15:42:28 <peter1138> but IsValidTile() takes a value type, not a pointer/struct
15:42:46 <peter1138> which is a valid tile
15:45:03 <Zuu> As far as I am concerned Squirrel handle null and 0 differently, but I might be wrong, was a week since last I worked with it.
15:47:04 <Zuu> But I also understand that if the API have specified integer-type as parameter it might be the squirrel engine that make the script hang on null, and not the OpenTTD C++ functions.
16:00:49 <graeme> Hi, how do I get the alpine climate in openttd? Ive seen it mentioned and that it works, but it doesn't on mine.
16:01:32 <Maedhros> you can if you either hack openttd or the grf, but the industries won't work anyway
16:02:10 <graeme> Ive been looking on the open ttd coop site and a few of there games use it.
16:03:09 <Eddi|zuHause2> last time i tried, it loaded, but did not work very well
16:03:43 <Maedhros> since i added proper action b support, it won't load any more
16:04:12 <graeme> so may as well forget it till new industries are done
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16:05:26 <Wolf01> there's somebody who have a bash script for downloading and update ottd nightly?
16:08:46 <Sacro> "The Windows 9.x distribution of GVIM, which is quite possibly the greatest thing to come along since God created the naked girl."
16:11:37 <ln-> well said, but what is Windows 9.x?
16:13:40 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that is windows 4.x, or not?
16:13:43 <Wolf01> windows 3.1, 3.11, 95=3.111, 98FE=3.1111... vista 3.eleventyone, i don't know they have 9.x XD
16:14:17 <Eddi|zuHause2> i think win95 claimed to be version 4.0
16:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's from lotr
16:15:14 <blathijs> I think XP or Vista might be windows 9
16:15:25 <Sacro> blathijs: i think XP is 6
16:15:29 <Eddi|zuHause2> i believe XP said version 5
16:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause2> but that might be version 5 of the NT line
16:17:07 <Sacro> ooh, it mentions Windows 96
16:17:16 <Eddi|zuHause2> that's probably not correct...
16:17:17 <ln-> Sacro: where's the dot in 95?
16:18:58 <Wolf01> Windows XP Professional Edition, for business and power users (Version number: NT 5.1.2600) <- i don't think XP is 6
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16:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause2> you can view the version in the system properties window
16:20:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> and i already said XP was 5
16:23:00 <Wolf01> ok, and now that we know what version is what windows, i want to know how to make a bash script which allow me to download and update automaGically my ottd :P
16:24:09 <Sacro> Wolf01: start with "!#/bin/sh"
16:24:45 <Wolf01> i always thought it was #!
16:26:40 <Wolf01> the problem is that i'm able to do little things like menu with arrays and a whois script which takes the urls from a text file
16:27:42 <Wolf01> but i never managed how to work with strings and other things
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16:29:52 <Eddi|zuHause2> everything in bash is a string
16:30:08 <peter1138> the pciture... wasn't that interesting...
16:31:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> what am i supposed to see on the picture?
16:32:22 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: its just a nice simple login screen
16:33:21 <Eddi|zuHause2> Wolf01: basically you just need to use wget to load the nightly page, grep for win32, and cut off the href= part
16:33:43 <Wolf01> eh, that's simple to say :D
16:34:56 <Sacro> cd ~/openttd/trunk && svn up && ./configure && make && cp openttd ../Nightly/openttd && cp lang/english.lng ../Nightly/lang/english.lng
16:35:24 <Wolf01> i don't want to make :D
16:35:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: that is totally incomplete
16:35:52 <Sacro> Eddi|zuHause2: most likely...
16:36:14 <Sacro> it updates nicely, so long as no grfs are changed
16:36:45 <Eddi|zuHause2> you're probably better off to do cp bin/ <wherever> -R
16:37:43 <Eddi|zuHause2> besides, Wolf01 would probably also have italian.lng :)
16:53:15 * Zuu likes "dbg: [misc] Your script made an error: parameter 1 has an invalid type 'null' ; expected: 'integer'" almost as (not) expressive as "access violation". :p
16:57:57 <Zuu> And 1000> lines of code where the bug might bee.. :)
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17:01:02 <Wolf01> 0.5.1-RC3 coming soon?
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17:21:45 <Zuu> Is there a way to get stdout and stderr into the same file in the order things are printed out?
17:22:13 <blathijs> 2>&1 | less works for me anyway
17:23:53 <Zuu> The std-out-file is 120 MB, hehe, so I rather use grep I think :)
17:25:16 <Zuu> less might not be as bad as vim though, which I first used :p
17:28:21 <Mark17> hello, is it possible to run openttd when you don't have an installation off ttd that can be used? (for example because off a broken cd)
17:29:25 <Wolf01> yes, for example if you never had a cd, just look in the forum, you might fint something usefull
17:32:56 <Mark17> Sacro: i did have a cd player that makes it impossible to use the cd in other players
17:38:27 <Mark17> is it possible to make the AI difficult to beat?
17:38:37 <DaleStan> Yes. Write a new one.
17:38:46 <Sacro> Mark17: yes, unplug your mouse
17:39:19 <Eddi|zuHause2> i have played TTO very successfully without mouse
17:39:41 <Maedhros> yeah, alt+arrows to move the mouse was fun
17:39:59 <Eddi|zuHause2> i really miss that feature
17:40:42 <Belugas> the thing, Mark17, is that the AI is stupid as it is right now.
17:41:27 <Belugas> there is a new approach underway, but nothing yet exploitable by evryone
17:41:41 <Belugas> so, enjoy your skills at laying network instead :D
17:42:19 <Mark17> and i miss an Belugas making a network isn't difficult
17:42:56 <Mark17> i did that 5 or 6 years back in ttd and i still do it in openttd
17:49:28 <Belugas> you miss a belugas??? quite a big creature to miss :D
17:50:21 <HMage> Belugas: did you work any more on inflation bug?
17:51:33 <Belugas> no, although a few discussions on the subjet has been done lately.
17:51:52 <HMage> like taming the inflation?
17:52:07 <Belugas> it is not a simple thing to do, since all the commands used by the system have to be raised to 64 bits
17:52:26 <Belugas> you could turn off inflation, for the time being ;)
17:52:45 <Belugas> commands and more, in fact...
17:54:15 <Belugas> anyway, my todo list is quite big, right now :P
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19:34:50 * Zuu thinks that only one of "Newbies" or "Get Started" should be present at the Main-page as they seam to offer quite similar content and the existance of links to two pages for about the same the same thing on the Main Page is a bit comfusing.
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19:51:42 <Zuu> peter1138 seems to be aware of the spelling of seem :)
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20:31:39 <HMage> ROFL (from some stupid website): "Of course, if you suck as a DJ, you will still suck using Deckadance, but you will suck better, faster, harder and more creatively than ever before!"
20:33:19 <blathijs> Sacro: GPL violation?
20:34:18 <Sacro> blathijs: yeah, UIQ3 port has no GPL mention and no links to source
20:34:33 <Wolf01> he is the gpl paladin :P
20:34:44 <Sacro> i know who the author of the code is
20:35:44 <Wolf01> stop speaking like yoda
20:36:15 <Sacro> i know not of what you speak
20:40:26 <Zuu> OpenTTD tries to fill a whole Main Page with what www.freeciv.org manages to sumarize in a small box. Guess what? The box at freeciv.org is much esier to navigate than the OpenTTD Main Page. (including the current new Main Page)
20:40:42 <Eddi|zuHause2> Sacro: that was almost german :p
20:42:19 <Sacro> indeed... i have traced the location of said binary
20:42:43 <peter1138> Zuu: feel free to make something better
20:43:01 <Zuu> peter1138: Yes, I know :)
20:43:15 <peter1138> fwiw, freeciv's *is* the website
20:43:22 <peter1138> i hate that use of wikis, heh
20:44:52 <Zuu> Yes that is true, but still, trying to fill the whole OpenTTD Main Page with too much links to the left and to the right does not aid anyone.. :)
20:45:40 <Zuu> The first one is a fork of the later one.
20:45:51 <peter1138> ah, prefer the first
20:46:16 <peter1138> not much different though, heh
20:46:28 <Zuu> peter1138: So the first one is by your preferences too big, but still better?
20:46:41 <peter1138> too big was for the second one
20:46:57 <peter1138> the second one looks better, i think
20:47:09 <Zuu> I think the first one will give small screens problems, but then similar layout is used by many other pages.
20:47:29 <Zuu> 1024x768 probably handles it but less, :/
20:47:52 <Sacro> 1024x768 should be minimal supported size
20:48:21 <Sacro> looks fine at 800x600 thouhg
20:49:02 <peter1138> i'd like to change that global font
20:49:14 <peter1138> it never gets antialiased ;p
20:50:24 <Zuu> Well there is two things, first we have layout: side-by-side or just top-down-layout. Then we have the second problem, that currently all links are hidden in text masses.
20:51:05 <Zuu> One soulution on the second problem is to use bullet-lists, but thet usees quite much vertical space, and would therefor not work good with a top-down layout.
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20:58:08 <CIA-2> OpenTTD: belugas * r9590 /trunk/src/table/build_industry.h: -Fix(r9550, fs728): some wrongfully entered data caused some industries to appear where they should not have
21:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause2> is "wrongfully" a word?
21:02:12 <Sacro|Laptop> but it should never be wrongfully used
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21:03:18 <Eddi|zuHause2> i can't come up with a proper translation, thoug
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21:40:02 <peter1138> do you need a literal translation?
21:49:02 <Eddi|zuHause2> no, i was just wondering
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23:06:59 <blathijs> Looks good, btw, that new main page
23:08:16 <Zuu> Inspirated by the terminal-icon from Gnome, but not so rounded corners and a bit less glassy look. And OpenTTD code ofcourse :p
23:08:45 <blathijs> Hmm, there seems to be no reference to #openttd on the wiki...
23:09:27 <blathijs> That should probably be added and linked under both "Development" and "Getting help"
23:09:33 <blathijs> but, I'm off to sleep now
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